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"N.O.??? I don't see anything but brotherly love"
It's not about the after.
It's more like how did N.O. come to that in the first place.



Racist Policies Lead to Death and Destruction


As we entered the 21st century, I reflected upon the appalling reality of white supremacy in America and the western world generally and decided I wanted to write about it in ways I'd not before. I particularly wanted to challenge other white folks. This resulted in my article "A Message to White America: It's Time We Woke Up" in March 2000 that took on a life of its own. Within minutes of it being posted on the Black Radical Congress list serve and other websites, I started receiving messages from all over the country. This included some scathing remarks from whites, of course, but some 250 remarkably revealing and heartfelt comments from both blacks and whites. It was and remains on numerous websites presently, but given the recent overwhelming tragedy in New Orleans and the gulf coast I wanted to dust it off and re-issue it with a few edits and a forward.


http://www.counterpunch.org/gray09172005.html

LOL

I think you are making a problem where there is none, after what i hear there is almost no problem with racisme in the USA.

This thing was quite amusing to read tough...

Don't incite racism...america has enough problems.....

I think you are making a problem where there is none, after what i hear there is almost no problem with racisme in the USA.

As a resident of a major US city, I promise you you've heard incorrectly.

Shingogogo away.

Caucasians have been in control of civilization for thousands of years... and you'd have it undone and forgotten in a mere hundred years?

Give it time; the general population of the west is bound to homogenize sooner or later.

As a white american who has a black girlfriend..I can agree with the fellow who posted above me - racism is still a problem. Yet, it's not as bad as it used to be, of course...although, it is still an issue.

Back a few years ago, I probably couldn't walk hand in hand with my Girlfriend without getting less than an odd look. We get looks from both sides oddly enough.

So, perhaps All Americans should wake up. ;)

Racism exists, but judging from the progress the USA has made since the civil war, through the civil rights strife of the '50s and '60s, up to today we're getting better and will someday have a colorblind society.

Actually its articles like these that inspire hate crimes.
I don't know what you bleeding-heart liberals are trying to do but I don't like it...Things would be fine it you'd stop whining and starting problems.
I bet you this article just caused 3 hates crimes since you posted it :mad:

So, perhaps All Americans should wake up. ;)

Sounds about right. =)

As a white american who has a black girlfriend..I can agree with the fellow who posted above me - racism is still a problem. Yet, it's not as bad as it used to be, of course...although, it is still an issue.

Back a few years ago, I probably couldn't walk hand in hand with my Girlfriend without getting less than an odd look. We get looks from both sides oddly enough.

So, perhaps All Americans should wake up. ;)

IMHO, getting looks like that isnt racism. You just don't normally see a biracial couple.

Ahhh. "Counterpunch". What a nice site. They shill both Ward Churchill and "Jews=Nazis" books. Lovely. :rolleyes:

The author of the article cited quotes herself as thinking a triumphant "All Right!" upon the WTC 9/11 attacks.

It would be hard to find more sour bastion of bilous nuttery (save maybe Kos, DU and clones). :mad:

I got to the author saying that she thought that murdering 2000 innocent men and women in cold blood was a great thing, and quit. At least racists usually restrict their racism to discrimination, not mass murder.

LOL

I think you are making a problem where there is none, after what i hear there is almost no problem with racisme in the USA.

This thing was quite amusing to read tough...

Haha, read some of this filth and tell me that: http://www.stormfront.org They have a stupid thread trying to figure out how to only aid 'European Americans' who have been affected by Katrina :gundge:

Haha, read some of this filth and tell me that: http://www.stormfront.org
:headbang: and THAT was the name of the site I was trying to remember to add to my bilous nutter list on the "Right wing" side...

I'm glad (sorry?) you rememberd it.

Well, I guess that's one way of looking at it. There's also an article there explaining why the snipers fired at helicopters. Not my cup of tea, thanks anyway.

Some vaguely interesting points in the article - such as thinking about WHY the terrorists attacked where they did, when they did, who they did. A lot of Americans DO seem to believe we received the equivalent of a random assault by randomly evil terrorists for no other reason than they are evil. I think it does have a bit to do with our foreign policy, to say the least.

But they lost me when they start going on about "we, as whites." I don't share any kind of brotherhood to anyone just because we both have "white" skin. Racialism as well as racism are problems humanity needs to get over already, it's old and stupid and simplistic.

Finally, after centuries of "white" deceit, be mindful that pathetically we as whites still want to control everything and usually think we know everything.

Yeah whatever. Speak for yourself, you dumb bitch.

Actually its articles like these that inspire hate crimes.
I don't know what you bleeding-heart liberals are trying to do but I don't like it...Things would be fine it you'd stop whining and starting problems.
I bet you this article just caused 3 hates crimes since you posted it :mad:

Yes, because of course all that lynching that went on before the civil rights movement was the direct result of black people complaining about being enslaved. If they'd just make peace with it, then there'd be no problem. :rolleyes:

Yeah whatever. Speak for yourself, you dumb bitch.

I dunno, all you gotta do is look at the (white) head of the current administration to see that at least some of "us" still have a God complex.

As for the denial that there's a race problem in the US? Go watch the movie Crash. The deny there's a race problem. The story rings really true, if a bit exaggeratedly dramatic. (It's a movie. It's supposed to be dramatic, right?)

I dunno, all you gotta do is look at the (white) head of the current administration to see that at least some of "us" still have a God complex.

As for the denial that there's a race problem in the US? Go watch the movie Crash. The deny there's a race problem. The story rings really true, if a bit exaggeratedly dramatic. (It's a movie. It's supposed to be dramatic, right?)
Yeah there's a race problem, but it's on both sides of the equation. As long as the black community holds up people like that grifter Jesse Jackson and idiot Al Sharpton up as paragons of said community, the problem ain't gonna approach any lasting resolution.

1) I live in California
2) I didn't make those policies
3) I didn't vote for the people who made thsoe policies
4) I didn't vote on anything to resolve the NO conflict before or after the hurricane.

So for crying out loud stop trying to give me a guilt trip.

Yeah there's a race problem, but it's on both sides of the equation.

Apparently you haven't seen the movie, hell, you must never even have heard of the movie, or you'd know that that was part of my point.



Although I still believe that in general the white population is far more to blame for race relations than the minority.

As a black man I can garuntee you racism is still a huge problem. However, it is getting better, day-by-day. As someone mentioned earlier, centuries of oppression will not be fixed in a few decades. But it will be, one day.

It's more like how did N.O. come to that in the first place?

How? by having a state and local government rife with corruption and led by democrats who have fostered and created an atmosphere of dependency by telling blacks in subtle and not so subtle ways that "they can't do it on their own and need help." Wake up black america, you don't need white america or the government to help you. You can make it on your own - get an education and go to work for yourselves. The power is within you, it doesn't come from government assistance and handouts. It comes from education, hard work and self-sufficiency.
Sure there is some racism and bigotry out there, but it is not around every corner. Stop acting as if it is, shed the "victim" mentality and take on a "can do" attitude. Don't look for racism, look for opportunities to advance yourself, despite racism.
I see more blacks that are victims of their own attitude and outlook than are victims of actual racism. They set up self-fulfilling prophicies of doom. Every failure or set back is blamed on racism. Their lack of education is blamed on racist school policies rather than their lack of willingness to study and learn. Their job loss is blamed on racism and not their absenteeism. Their lack of advancement at work is blamed on race and not on their unwillingness to go "above and beyond" to demonstrate their skill and dedication, their arrest is blamed on "racial profiling" by the cops instead of the kilo of crack cocaine in their car.
The writer of this article is pushing more "blacks can't do it on their own" crap - He is telling whites "you must go above and beyond to assist blacks" and he is telling blacks "you can't do it by yourself, you need the help of whites if you are to stand any chance at all." What a load of Hooey!

there is racism in this world and as a former resident of one of the poorest areas of st paul(mn) i have seen more racism against white people than against black people.

so yes america does need to wake up and realize that it goes both ways and should be stopped from going both ways

im not being racist but being realist: look at the areas with the highest crime rates in the country, they are low income, and they are also primarily african american.


this is just an observation so dont hate me for it but it seems like many people think that black people should be treated better than everyone else just because people have been bad to them in the past. that is why affirmative action is just inciting more racism and so all ppl should be treated equally badly

Rascism is a problem because we think iit is. Americans are generally horrified by the thought of race riots, klan rallies, and so on and so forth, that are produced by rascism. Yet it's really much less of a problem these days than it was even ten years ago. Yes, blacks tend to be less financially well off than whites and Asians, but I believe that it is a cultural problem, and not a racial one. We need to put it into perspective.

*snooze*

there are many many many poor asians, but i have never met an asian immigrant that didnt have phenomonal work ethic and drive

Oh man am I glad I realised this was a forum on the internet! Otherwise, I'd have had a heart attack thinking I was suddenly transported to 1930s Alabama!

*whew*

Oh man ...

*whew*

As we entered the 21st century, I reflected upon the appalling reality of white supremacy in America and the western world [/url][/QUOTE]


Yes we white people and the western world are so evil. We have done no good but opress all other people and destroy the earth with are horrible inventions such as Democracy, the computer, the internet, space exploration, modern medicine , antibiotics, the car, the airplane, modern agriculture. We in the western world should commit mass suicide and stop holding the rest of the world back with our evil ideas and inventions. ;)

Wake up <i>white</i> america? I love how you start off the post by singling out a race.
Racism, no matter who does it or who it is directed to, is racism. So by singling out white people, you are stating their are differences between races yourself. That leads to racism.
Stop singling out races, and blaming the problems of social equality on a race.

IT IS TIME FOR TRUE EQUALITY! STOP IDENTIFYING PEOPLE BY RACE, TREAT US AS HUMAN!

As a hispanic growing up in a terribly small, terribly redneck texan town; I can honestly say I never had any trouble with discrmination. Does that mean its gone? Of course not, but I don't think its near as big a problem as some would have you believe.

Teeheehee! (http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/)

I don't blame white people for OCCUPING AFRICA, ASIA AND AMERICA AND RAPING THE WORLDDDDDDDD


oh wait

racist- Used to meen one who had a hatred or prejudice agaisnt a praticular race. Now meens: One who has political views that are not the same as a praticular race's own political views.

"N.O.??? I don't see anything but brotherly love"
It's not about the after.
It's more like how did N.O. come to that in the first place.



Racist Policies Lead to Death and Destruction


As we entered the 21st century, I reflected upon the appalling reality of white supremacy in America and the western world generally and decided I wanted to write about it in ways I'd not before. I particularly wanted to challenge other white folks. This resulted in my article "A Message to White America: It's Time We Woke Up" in March 2000 that took on a life of its own. Within minutes of it being posted on the Black Radical Congress list serve and other websites, I started receiving messages from all over the country. This included some scathing remarks from whites, of course, but some 250 remarkably revealing and heartfelt comments from both blacks and whites. It was and remains on numerous websites presently, but given the recent overwhelming tragedy in New Orleans and the gulf coast I wanted to dust it off and re-issue it with a few edits and a forward.


http://www.counterpunch.org/gray09172005.html

An anti US article on an anti US site. Nothing more needs to be said.

how about "go to bed non-white america" ?

for the record. i am of hispanic descent... either way. i think blood means ****.

How? by having a state and local government rife with corruption and led by democrats who have fostered and created an atmosphere of dependency by telling blacks in subtle and not so subtle ways that "they can't do it on their own and need help." !

You know that Nagen was a Republican until he ran for mayor in NO, right? He's not really a Democrat in anything other than name.

You know that Nagen was a Republican until he ran for mayor in NO, right? He's not really a Democrat in anything other than name.

That may be, but as a whole over the last 30+ years the dems have controlled politics in LA.

I dunno, all you gotta do is look at the (white) head of the current administration to see that at least some of "us" still have a God complex.

As for the denial that there's a race problem in the US? Go watch the movie Crash. The deny there's a race problem. The story rings really true, if a bit exaggeratedly dramatic. (It's a movie. It's supposed to be dramatic, right?)

Crash was an alright movie. I think American History X was better, Crash was just like here's racism, look at it.
So we have a white president? We got a black female secretary of state. Not that race or gender actually matter but since were pointing these things out might as well point out that first.

I don't blame white people for OCCUPING AFRICA, ASIA AND AMERICA AND RAPING THE WORLDDDDDDDD


oh wait

Wow...your sense if history doesn't go back that far does it? There have been huge empires in every part of the world that did their own share of raping all their neighbors. Want an example of europeans getting raped by another ethnicity? Look at the mongol invasion near end of the Roman Empire. Or the Moors invasion of Spain. Here's one from America, Aztecs sacrifice of enemy tribes men to appease their gods. Rape of Nanking anyone, that one didn't even have europeans as players in it.

But its all the europeans fault, really.

tag

There is a reason high school history books in the US start
with 1492.

US history cannot be properly understood without going back to at least
this period in time.



On second thought.... maybe Africa really is an empty, unused continent.
What's one more rape and pillage using the legal protections of
the state via corporations among friends?

Ahhh. "Counterpunch". What a nice site. They shill both Ward Churchill and "Jews=Nazis" books. Lovely. :rolleyes:

:mad:


Churchill can speak for himself.
You read his work and form an opinion, or don't read it and have no basis to have a logical comment.


as for those other books,
I've not read them, but, judging on articles I've read from their site,
by Jews as well as Israelis, I'd guess those books a criticizing the Israeli GOVERNMENT.
Just read Israeli newspapers for similar critiques. You'll get a wider range of opinion
than in the 'free press' of the US.
So I doubt they are criticizing "Jews as Nazis",
though I don't doubt that there are some out there,
as there are some in every society.

how to end racism:

a)stop judging people based on color

b)stop legislating based on color (how can we end racism by legislating it?)

the only way to end racism is to STOP TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY BASED ON COLOR.

that goes for white-on-minority racism AND minority-on-white racism.

if we stop judging each other based on color, then we won't be able to fall back on the race card as an excuse for failure -- we'll only have fate/ourselves to blame. Because ultimately, we are the masters of our destiny.

to blame one's race for their failure is a defeatist attitude that cannot improve anyone's circumstances. (this goes for african-americans believing they remain poor because they're african-american as well as white people believing they're poor because they're "poor white trash" ... with determination, regardless of where you start, you can succeed in bettering your circumstances. Even if you don't agree with that statement, consider that someone is far more likely to succeed in life if his outlook is positive than he is if his outlook is negative)

just some random blabbing. hehe

http://cartoonbox.slate.com/hottopic/?topicid=5&image=0

Ted Rall's cartoons are awesome.

page down a bit.

the thing of racism is that we light skinned folk cannot possibly understand it.

we do not have to live it every single day.

racism is not merely a matter of "hating" someone with other skin tones.

I certainly could not do the topic justice since I do not have to deal with
such things every single day.




white supremacy is another related matter,
but goes much, much deeper than your immediate neighbor or co-worker.

shingogogol, the thing is this light-skinned person can understand it and has lived with it. How long have you lived in Atlanta? Since before 1996? If so, I'm sure you know what Techwood Homes was, before it was destroyed to spare our visitors to the Olympics the sight of it, right? When I was very young my family moved three blocks from that hellmouth, when the housing we were in, Sierra Madre, was condemned and demolished. The only white faces there were in the mirror and in police cars. I know exactly what it is to be hated, distrusted, beaten and stabbed because of the color of ones skin. Don't tell me this is only a problem for white America. I've got the scars to argue with you!

Saying, that racism does not exist.

Those that have to live with it every single day like yourself,
see a different reality.

Those that have to live it, even if there is not the existance of hate,
are far more in touch with the reality of racism
than someone who claims it does not exist or would go
away if "you just stopped talking about it". That would not
have ended slavery and it will not end racism.



Oh, I am not the author of that original piece, btw.
Sorry for any confusion.