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http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=814744f0-6636-49ce-bac1-7d46f1a3370e

Looks like we're gonna have another Liberal majority government. The Conservatives (they got 24% so STFU you little bratty Harper/Bush lovers) are just simply too scary for Canadians, especially Stephen Harper.

Good, that's mean I don't have to worry about Conservatives screwing up Canada and the whole planet.

Edit: I'm going for the NDP, I'm not voting for goverment, I'm voting for an MP that best represent my riding (Skeena-Bulkley Valley).

*Poll warning*

Conservatives!!!

Wonder who would vote for the pot party. :D

Wonder who would vote for the pot party. :D

Pot is no worse than smokign a cigar and drinking a Manhattan. I know some people who start the day like that. Its only because Marijuana competes with the cotton company 'cause hemp is cheaper, easier tio grow and stronger than cotton. Curse you corporate whores.

I like ur name.

Wow, Canadians are gonna let the Liberals get away with murder again, eh? And people say that Americans are stupid....

And people say that Americans are stupid....
Whoa whoa, don't turn this into an anti-american thread. Now stop trolling!

Edit: I got relatives living in Boston, should I call them stupid? NO

that's a shame. i liked the minority, i thought it really worked. and now, if the lib's get a majority, i'm sure it'll be the same old graft and arrogence we've grown so very tired of. ah well, better than harper, i suppose.

i'm likely voting NDP, but i live in alberta, so it won't matter.

The only good Tory is a Lavatory.

Jack Layton is the best voice the Left has in all of Canada. Hell, he's the best voice the Left has in North America. We need change - but change from the Left, not the weird mutant political offspring of the rotten old Alliance and the Judas PC leader Peter McKay.

The reason the Liberals do so well has little to do with appeasing the left so much as courting the right - Canada's traditional right - the "Progressive" Conservatives. What the new "Tories" have plainly forgotten is that the role of the Conservative in Canadian Politics was one of further enshrining existing institutions and upholding traditions while taking a cautious approach to new issues or changes to Canadian society. They would seek to turn everything that is valued on its' head, for the simple sake of flexing their distinctly un-conservative agendae. Re-opening divisive old debates best left to the history books, seeking to turn back the clock on abortion rights, same-sex marriages, the much overdue marijuana reform...

The Liberals will do very well in Ontario and Quebec, because people just like my dear little old Tory aunties in Montreal will never even consider voting for Stephen Harper. My aunt Pat told me that Paul Martin 'is her kinda Tory'. The new Tory Party is little more than a regional political rump-end, as it has been ever since it broke away from the PCs. It will never form a majority government in Canada. It's unlikely it will even form a minority government, as its' party line has simply deviated too too far to the right to ever have a broad base of appeal to fundamentally left-wing Canadians.

Where ever did the Reform Party get the idea that by buying the name 'Tory' that that would ever fool us back east? They forget we were the ones who duped them into homesteading the Prairies in the first place.

really, you can get 40 liberals for a penny in canada :eek:

really, you can get 40 liberals for a penny in canada :eek: That's right! Gimme ur penny and u can do whatever u want with them. :D It also comes with a "lifetime" warranty so if u had any problems with ur liberal, we'll fix'em with a quick fetish or we'll just throw'em in the pit and exchange for a new one. :D

Wow, look at the commanding ndp lead... NS seems to be a socialist hideaway.

So where are we all come election day? lol ;)

Happy to say I live in an NDP riding anyway! (Ottawa Centre)

that's a shame. i liked the minority, i thought it really worked. and now, if the lib's get a majority, i'm sure it'll be the same old graft and arrogence we've grown so very tired of. ah well, better than harper, i suppose.

i'm likely voting NDP, but i live in alberta, so it won't matter.

I agree. The best government periods in Canada have usually been minorities. As bad as the liberals are you just have to blame the tories right now for being worse. We need to ditch first-past-the-post to liven up our politics.

really, you can get 40 liberals for a penny in canada :eek:

that's a competetive price for liberals. maybe the US democratic party ought to buy a few hundred thousand. that way they might actually be able to win an election ;)

Happy to say I live in an NDP riding anyway! (Ottawa Centre)Yeah, same here. I live in one of the largest riding in Canada.

How funny... The NDP leading here, when they've never even had a good shot at winning a federal election, haha.

It's definitely tightening up in the poll above - but the NDP always has a good early start. It's just a shame they always stall out as the evening wears on...

I only wish that the current leader of the Bloc was leading the NDP. I think that if the Bloc wasn't a seperatist party, I would definitely vote for them because they are, in essence, a leftist party along with the NDP, and it's a shame that they want to tear Canada apart when they could make it so much stronger.

I only wish that the current leader of the Bloc was leading the NDP. I think that if the Bloc wasn't a seperatist party, I would definitely vote for them because they are, in essence, a leftist party along with the NDP, and it's a shame that they want to tear Canada apart when they could make it so much stronger.
I think they have enough in common, or would have, if only the Bloc would just finally give up on sovereignty, that the two combined would comprise a formidable left-wing party for all Canadians. Duceppe would be an enviable leader, true.

I think they have enough in common, or would have, if only the Bloc would just finally give up on sovereignty, that the two combined would comprise a formidable left-wing party for all Canadians. Duceppe would be an enviable leader, true.
Yes, my dream is that of a united Bloc-NDP with Duceppe as leader. When I watched him debate the other 3 leaders on national t.v., I almost wanted to vote for the Bloc! Certainly, with the combined might of the Bloc-NDP, they would put some changes in Canada. Damn sovereigntists!

OMG :eek: , the Liberal are leading the polls (I mean the one on this thread), where did the NDP go? Oh well, with the Libs and NDP combined, the tories are lagging behind.:p

OMG :eek: , the Liberal are leading the polls (I mean the one on this thread), where did the NDP go? Oh well, with the Libs and NDP combined, the tories are lagging behind.:p
I just got home and voted for the Liberals, putting them on top. :)

Proof that Canadians don't mind high taxes, bad healthcare, and being robbed of their money.

Voting Stephen Harper here. At least he is going to do somethig good in Canada, instead of pinning Canada's problems on it's own citizens and the United States ("Gun Violence? It's those DAMN AMERICANS")

This is how i want the parliament to be looked like: A liberal minority gov't, with the NDP as the official opposition. The BQ, as usual, held the third most seats in the house, and the Conservatives would be a nearly non-existent party(maybe between 1 - 8 seats) in the parliament. :D

Canada City']Proof that Canadians don't mind high taxes, bad healthcare, and being robbed of their money.

Voting Stephen Harper here. At least he is going to do somethig good in Canada, instead of pinning Canada's problems on it's own citizens and the United States ("Gun Violence? It's those DAMN AMERICANS") go back to texas thank you.

go back to texas thank you.

go back to Europe, thank you

Canada City']Proof that Canadians don't mind high taxes, bad healthcare, and being robbed of their money.

Voting Stephen Harper here. At least he is going to do somethig good in Canada, instead of pinning Canada's problems on it's own citizens and the United States ("Gun Violence? It's those DAMN AMERICANS")

Yes... That healthcare which far surpasses American healthcare even while being bout 500 dollars cheaper per person. And don't give me this crap about being robbed of our money. Countless governments do it, and I'd bet a shiny dollar that if the Conservatives had been in power as long as the Grits, that there would have been scandals to deal with as well. Power corrupts, and politics is a prime area for it to happen. So throw the veil off and realize that there are going to be plenty of governments which have worse corruption then the Liberals.

go back to Europe, thank you
that doesn't make sense thank you.

that doesn't make sense thank you.

Neither does the Liberal Party, thank you

No... This isn't getting old.
Oh wait.
It is.

Neither does the Liberal Party, thank youand so is the BC Liberals, thank you.

lmao :D
keep going

Canada City']Proof that Canadians don't mind high taxes, bad healthcare, and being robbed of their money.

Voting Stephen Harper here. At least he is going to do somethig good in Canada, instead of pinning Canada's problems on it's own citizens and the United States ("Gun Violence? It's those DAMN AMERICANS")
Pray tell, what "good" will Stephen Harper do?

I wish Sin could've written the initial post instead.
There would've been far less douchebaggery, and flamebaiting. :rolleyes:

Pray tell, what "good" will Stephen Harper do?

he'll include us in the good work going on in iraq, privatize our healthcare system, cut funding for education and hope his supporters don't notice because at the same time he prevents gays from marrying, presumably is what he'll do.

Stephen Harper = George W. Bush

Seriously, I do not want to see a Bush administration style gov't in Canada. If you see what Bush did to his country, the same would happen with Harper in power.

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=814744f0-6636-49ce-bac1-7d46f1a3370e

Looks like we're gonna have another Liberal majority government. The Conservatives (they got 24% so STFU you little bratty Harper/Bush lovers) are just simply too scary for Canadians, especially Stephen Harper.

Good, that's mean I don't have to worry about Conservatives screwing up Canada and the whole planet.

Edit: I'm going for the NDP, I'm not voting for goverment, I'm voting for an MP that best represent my riding (Skeena-Bulkley Valley).

*Poll warning*
The lasty time I checked the main screw ups that have been done to Canada have ALL been done by the Liberals. The Conservatives have had to find ways to clean up after the Liberals time and time again!

So I am guessing you enjoy having Canada ruled by Quebec PM after Quebec PM while the rest of Quebec plots to destroy Canada and take as much of our wealth with them when they leave? The Conservatives have been doing the best in actually listening to their Constituates! Just like so many in Canada hate Ralph Klien but have to respect him for doing exactly what was asked of him! THe Democrats are just a larger third teir party that has NO real chance of accomplishing what they say since most of it is COMPLETELY unimplementable.
Stephen Harper = George W. Bush

Seriously, I do not want to see a Bush administration style gov't in Canada. If you see what Bush did to his country, the same would happen with Harper in power.
Harper is in NO way a war Hawk! And aside from the war on terror and his slow response to Katrina Bush has actually done a fair bit of good! If you look at the other side of the issue Kerry is so weak and gutless that if he had gotten the presidential position we would be facing MAJOR terrorist attacks on Nrth American soil instead of them try to hit everyone else.

The lasty time I checked the main screw ups that have been done to Canada have ALL been done by the Liberals. The Conservatives have had to find ways to clean up after the Liberals time and time again!


really? you think that highly of mulrooney and dief?

Edit: i'm not being sarcastic there, by the way, it's just i've never heard that before. why do you like them, exactly? which of their contributions to canadian political life is your favorite?

Bush has actually done a fair bit of good!
Ur one of the 30% aren't you?

The lasty time I checked the main screw ups that have been done to Canada have ALL been done by the Liberals.
This reeks of bullshit. It's like saying you can blame EVERYTHING that's wrong (luv those caps) in America on the conservatives (current politics).
It's too general, and lacks hindsight. As hacksterish as the Americans who've said the same about the "conservatives" here (although contextually different).
Too complex to place fault on one group.

This is how i want the parliament to be looked like: A liberal minority gov't, with the NDP as the official opposition. The BQ, as usual, held the third most seats in the house, and the Conservatives would be a nearly non-existent party(maybe between 1 - 8 seats) in the parliament. :D
Further reason for Western Canada to take our wealth and leave! We are getting sick and tired of being ruled from Quebec and having our wealth raped away to pay them to stay part of this dieing country!

really? you think that highly of mulrooney and dief?

Edit: i'm not being sarcastic there, by the way, it's just i've never heard that before. why do you like them, exactly? which of their contributions to canadian political life is your favorite?
If you havr a look at the link to my thread you will get some good insight to the recent past and the problems there.
Ur one of the 30% aren't you?
I am one of the few who look at the whole picture instead getting caught up in the media frenzy about the high loses being sustained in Iraq or the horror the media is showing about New Orleans and how slow Bush was to respond while ignoring the fact that limited resources had to be spread over HUGE areas. Aside from these 2 issues tell me about anything you have seen regarding Bush?!

The Conservatives have been doing the best in actually listening to their Constituates! Not Andy Burton (Conservative Skeena MP 2000 - 2004), all he cares is that town he currently lives is Terrace (conservative stronghold of this riding). Not Prince Rupert, Kitimat, Haida Gwaii, etc, just Terrace. This guy never represent all of our riding, that's why he was replaced by a more effective NDP MP.

I am one of the few who look at the whole picture instead getting caught up in the media frenzy about the high loses being sustained in Iraq or the horror the media is showing about New Orleans and how slow Bush was to respond while ignoring the fact that limited resources had to be spread over HUGE areas. Aside from these 2 issues tell me about anything you have seen regarding Bush?!

his social security plan will cost billions to impliment and leave social security in worse shape than if he'd left it alone? his billions of dollars worth of no-bid contracts with companies who have personal connections to members of his administration? the billions in permanent tax cuts and the repeal of the estate tax at a time when the US deficit is higher than it's ever been? his distain for international law?

That's right! Gimme ur penny and u can do whatever u want with them. :D It also comes with a "lifetime" warranty so if u had any problems with ur liberal, we'll fix'em with a quick fetish or we'll just throw'em in the pit and exchange for a new one. :D

what EVER i want (wonder if theres any good females there) :fluffle:

his social security plan will cost billions to impliment and leave social security in worse shape than if he'd left it alone? his billions of dollars worth of no-bid contracts with companies who have personal connections to members of his administration? the billions in permanent tax cuts and the repeal of the estate tax at a time when the US deficit is higher than it's ever been? his distain for international law? to add to this, what about the Patriot Act that screwed not just americans but canadians as well. Plus the high price of fuel that pissed everybody off around the world. Also the human rights abuse in Gitmo, what if some of the inmate were not terrorist. Oh and the softwood lumber dispute, wow... Canada is losing big $$$ out of this one (but its not too late, the Liberals got us the Container port in Rupert so we can give away the lumber to China. Hmmmm... that's a good idea. Bypass economic doom!).

what EVER i want (wonder if theres any good females there) :fluffle:Oh boy! were making business here! :D

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=814744f0-6636-49ce-bac1-7d46f1a3370e

Looks like we're gonna have another Liberal majority government. The Conservatives (they got 24% so STFU you little bratty Harper/Bush lovers) are just simply too scary for Canadians, especially Stephen Harper.

Good, that's mean I don't have to worry about Conservatives screwing up Canada and the whole planet.

Edit: I'm going for the NDP, I'm not voting for goverment, I'm voting for an MP that best represent my riding (Skeena-Bulkley Valley).

*Poll warning*

Bahahaa... at one time his name was Jim Fulton (NDP) and after his political career he joined forces with BC's enviro-whackos whose raison d'etre is to depopulate northern BC. If you want northern BC to flourish, as do I since I am from there, DO NOT VOTE NDP. The provincial NDP is even worse.

I vote Liberal!

I vote Conservative. Why you ask? Look at the economy of Alberta and look at our million dollar budget surplus. Oh, and one more thing every taxpayer who paid taxes in Alberta is getting some money from the Government because of the surplus. Then you look at other provinces and just wonder what are they thinking. Oh, and one more thing the Liberals have gotten to comfotable in the knowledge they can be corrupt as they want and the Idiots in Canada will just vote them in again anyway. I really wish you would take a good hard look at the party you support. And the argument that the Conservatives would be just as corrupt is just a cop out. I would prefer the Conservatives over any other political party. It just makes sense. I am from Alberta by the way.

Pray tell, what "good" will Stephen Harper do?

- Get rid of that money hole program called "Gun Registry". After spending millions on it, we still have gun crime. Stephen Harper wants to get rid of it.

- Two-tier health system. Allow private hospitals (already in BC and Quebec) all around Canada. This way, Canadians have a choice: A free yet average healthcare, or pay for a damn good one. It would lower the maintaince costs and probably cost Canadian citizens a lot less. True fact is, the so-called "Free healthcare system" isn't free when you're paying via taxes.

- Get rid of the Kyoto Accord. Any intelligent world leader would realize that the world is not going to end anytime soon and that SUVs aren't the cause of Cat 5 Hurricanes. We're only limiting ourselves because of a couple of scientists with THEORIES said so.

- Increase military spending. I guarantee you that if we get a terrorist attack or a natural disaster (earthquake in BC), we would be very terrible at responding. You think Hurricane Katrina was bad? Wait till the people in the west coast of BC get smacked by an earthquake (being in a gigantic earthquake fault line). Wait, you didn't know about that? Canadians don't even know their own country.

These are just a few, but I would vote for this guy just for those reasons.

I vote Conservative. Why you ask? Look at the economy of Alberta and look at our million dollar budget surplus.Canada has had billions in suprluss year after year. *yawn*

to add to this, what about the Patriot Act that screwed not just americans but canadians as well.

How? I mean, if the Patriot Act was really as bad as it seems and taking away our freedom, why do people like Michael Moore and Alex Jones exist?

Plus the high price of fuel that pissed everybody off around the world.


This is Bush's fault how...?

Also the human rights abuse in Gitmo, what if some of the inmate were not terrorist.

The training in the American Army is much worse.

Oh and the softwood lumber dispute, wow... Canada is losing big $$$ out of this one (but its not too late, the Liberals got us the Container port in Rupert so we can give away the lumber to China. Hmmmm... that's a good idea. Bypass economic doom!).

Only thing I agree with. However, I think we should be building our own shit instead of giving the wood to foreign countries, then have them sell back to us. Pure 19th-century thinking.

Canada has had billions in suprluss year after year. *yawn*

Considering that they tax the living shit out of everyone and not do anything with it...

No shit. That's not a good economy, that's fucking greed.

Canada City']- Get rid of that money hole program called "Gun Registry". After spending millions on it, we still have gun crime. Stephen Harper wants to get rid of it.

- Two-tier health system. Allow private hospitals (already in BC and Quebec) all around Canada. This way, Canadians have a choice: A free yet average healthcare, or pay for a damn good one. It would lower the maintaince costs and probably cost Canadian citizens a lot less. True fact is, the so-called "Free healthcare system" isn't free when you're paying via taxes.

- Get rid of the Kyoto Accord. Any intelligent world leader would realize that the world is not going to end anytime soon and that SUVs aren't the cause of Cat 5 Hurricanes. We're only limiting ourselves because of a couple of scientists with THEORIES said so.

- Increase military spending. I guarantee you that if we get a terrorist attack or a natural disaster (earthquake in BC), we would be very terrible at responding. You think Hurricane Katrina was bad? Wait till the people in the west coast of BC get smacked by an earthquake (being in a gigantic earthquake fault line). Wait, you didn't know about that? Canadians don't even know their own country.

These are just a few, but I would vote for this guy just for those reasons.

Funny, because if the Conservatives are so good at listening to their constituincies, they would never say private healthcare was a good idea, as the majority of Canadians hate the idea of the social inequality that brings! Secondly, a majority of Canadians also agree that the Kyoto Accord is a great thing to have. The only thing I can see the Conservatives doing well at, is boosting military spending and cutting social services. Oh and doing what ever Bush wants us too.

Funny, because if the Conservatives are so good at listening to their constituincies, they would never say private healthcare was a good idea, as the majority of Canadians hate the idea of the social inequality that brings!


So why did Healthcare become a huge issue several months ago? The fact of the matter is, those who actually RELY on operations cannot wait months because of the "first come first serve" policy of Canadian Healthcare.


Secondly, a majority of Canadians also agree that the Kyoto Accord is a great thing to have.


Source?


Oh and doing what ever Bush wants us too.


Subject of liberal media.

Funny, because if the Conservatives are so good at listening to their constituincies, they would never say private healthcare was a good idea, as the majority of Canadians hate the idea of the social inequality that brings! Secondly, a majority of Canadians also agree that the Kyoto Accord is a great thing to have. The only thing I can see the Conservatives doing well at, is boosting military spending and cutting social services. Oh and doing what ever Bush wants us too.Exactly.

Wow, Canadians are gonna let the Liberals get away with murder again, eh? And people say that Americans are stupid....
So...

Anyway...

...Are Canada's obesity rate and high school dropout rate REALLY almost 60% percent?

I vote Conservative. Why you ask? Look at the economy of Alberta and look at our million dollar budget surplus. Oh, and one more thing every taxpayer who paid taxes in Alberta is getting some money from the Government because of the surplus. Then you look at other provinces and just wonder what are they thinking. Oh, and one more thing the Liberals have gotten to comfotable in the knowledge they can be corrupt as they want and the Idiots in Canada will just vote them in again anyway. I really wish you would take a good hard look at the party you support. And the argument that the Conservatives would be just as corrupt is just a cop out. I would prefer the Conservatives over any other political party. It just makes sense. I am from Alberta by the way.

You don't say? Well Alberta can has good fortune in geography and all time high oil prices to enjoy but certainly not any particularally good fiscal management. The gravy train will not last forever so wise investment is needed. Alberta really has a chance to make sure it can ride out the inevitable future downturn but instead it will spend on Mike Harris style tax rebates now.

I vote Conservative. Why you ask? Look at the economy of Alberta and look at our million dollar budget surplus. Oh, and one more thing every taxpayer who paid taxes in Alberta is getting some money from the Government because of the surplus. Then you look at other provinces and just wonder what are they thinking. Oh, and one more thing the Liberals have gotten to comfotable in the knowledge they can be corrupt as they want and the Idiots in Canada will just vote them in again anyway. I really wish you would take a good hard look at the party you support. And the argument that the Conservatives would be just as corrupt is just a cop out. I would prefer the Conservatives over any other political party. It just makes sense. I am from Alberta by the way.

You are assuming that the wealth of Alberta is caused by having a Tory government. Perhaps I should remind you that Alberta is very rich in oil.

You are, however, correct that the Liberals have become complacent in their power, but that is because the Liberals know that most people (outside of Quebec) believe that the NDP are not powerful enough to be a real player on the federal scene, and that the Conservative party are too right wing on social issues.

a majority of Canadians also agree that the Kyoto Accord is a great thing to have.

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/files/Poll_national_final.pdf

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=814744f0-6636-49ce-bac1-7d46f1a3370e

Looks like we're gonna have another Liberal majority government. The Conservatives (they got 24% so STFU you little bratty Harper/Bush lovers) are just simply too scary for Canadians, especially Stephen Harper.

Good, that's mean I don't have to worry about Conservatives screwing up Canada and the whole planet.

Edit: I'm going for the NDP, I'm not voting for goverment, I'm voting for an MP that best represent my riding (Skeena-Bulkley Valley).

*Poll warning*

(sigh)

24% voted for the economic strength of canada, the economic freedom of canadians... and a big dip in unemployment.

but it's your country.

So...

Anyway...

...Are Canada's obesity rate and high school dropout rate REALLY almost 60% percent?

I wouldn't be suprised. Lots of fatasses in Mississauga.

Pot is no worse than smokign a cigar and drinking a Manhattan. I know some people who start the day like that. Its only because Marijuana competes with the cotton company 'cause hemp is cheaper, easier tio grow and stronger than cotton. Curse you corporate whores.
I wonder what kind of people have the legalisation of marajuana as their #1 issue? I wonder what are this party's other policies?

Canada City']Proof that Canadians don't mind high taxes, bad healthcare, and being robbed of their money.
What? They are subject to both high taxes and being robbed of their money? Please, elaborate! They must be getting some sweet returns if they keep voting for this.

go back to texas thank you.
Now, now, you're saying "leave this country"? That's no way for a mature person, especially a liberal person, to act.

Further reason for Western Canada to take our wealth and leave! We are getting sick and tired of being ruled from Quebec and having our wealth raped away to pay them to stay part of this dieing country!
And with these last words, he desparately cast himself into the Pacific Ocean.

Canada City']- Increase military spending.
I thought you were against taxes. Canada does appear to need a big miltary, with the USA defending it.

Canada City']The training in the American Army is much worse.

What, in the US Army trainees are attacked by bloodthirsty dogs?

(sigh)

24% voted for the economic strength of canada, the economic freedom of canadians... and a big dip in unemployment.

but it's your country.
Pity indeed, but at least more people voted for social freedom, community spirit, peace and quality of life.

Yes... That healthcare which far surpasses American healthcare even while being bout 500 dollars cheaper per person. And don't give me this crap about being robbed of our money. Countless governments do it, and I'd bet a shiny dollar that if the Conservatives had been in power as long as the Grits, that there would have been scandals to deal with as well. Power corrupts, and politics is a prime area for it to happen. So throw the veil off and realize that there are going to be plenty of governments which have worse corruption then the Liberals.


Clearly you don't remember the Mulrooney years. Corruption was a daily point of business with that bastard..... while he managed our economy in a way that even GW would go "You know, you might want to cut back your spending a bit there...."

There is, after all, a reason why the PC party was gutted to the point that it was afterwards, and it wasn't because everyone loved Chretien so much.,,,,

what EVER i want (wonder if theres any good females there) :fluffle:you can have Belinda Stronach...she likes whoring herself out.

-links removed, they contain obscene pictures- ~Euro

Pray tell, what "good" will Stephen Harper do?

i would imagine he'll lower taxes for everyone who works, which is good for everyone who works

(assuming he's not a light-fingered socialist)

The lasty time I checked the main screw ups that have been done to Canada have ALL been done by the Liberals. The Conservatives have had to find ways to clean up after the Liberals time and time again!

Right. Those liberals really screwed us by signing that Free Trade agreement that has cost us 5 billion dollars due to the softwood lumber dispute, despite the fact that Mulroney was campaigning so hard against it. :rolleyes:

So I am guessing you enjoy having Canada ruled by Quebec PM after Quebec PM while the rest of Quebec plots to destroy Canada and take as much of our wealth with them when they leave? The Conservatives have been doing the best in actually listening to their Constituates! Just like so many in Canada hate Ralph Klien but have to respect him for doing exactly what was asked of him! THe Democrats are just a larger third teir party that has NO real chance of accomplishing what they say since most of it is COMPLETELY unimplementable.

This is lovely. The reason all the PMs have been Quebecois is that it is impossible to win a federal election without the Quebec vote. This is why the Tories will not win a federal election as they are seen as a regional western party by the Quebecois. As for the comment about the NDP, it is ironic that the first NDP budget ever passed in the Houseof Commons was Bill C-48. This is because Stephen Harper went for a no-confidence vote, forcing the Liberals to ask the NDP for help, and the price the NDP askedwas Bill C-48. Thank you, Stephen Harper for providing the opportunity for the NDP to accomplish something that would have otherwise been unimplementable. :p

I vote Conservative. Why you ask? Look at the economy of Alberta and look at our million dollar budget surplus. Oh, and one more thing every taxpayer who paid taxes in Alberta is getting some money from the Government because of the surplus. Then you look at other provinces and just wonder what are they thinking. Oh, and one more thing the Liberals have gotten to comfotable in the knowledge they can be corrupt as they want and the Idiots in Canada will just vote them in again anyway. I really wish you would take a good hard look at the party you support. And the argument that the Conservatives would be just as corrupt is just a cop out. I would prefer the Conservatives over any other political party. It just makes sense. I am from Alberta by the way.



Oh yes,
A province with a population of a mere 3 million who's government exepcts to skim over $5 Billion from the oil industry this year is on such a good financial footing..... all because of Ralph Klein.

Nevermind that Alberta received bonus equalization payments for the seven years prior to '64 specifically to foster development of the oil industry. And nevermind that much of the technology currently used to extract oil from the Athabasca tar sands was developed under research grants by the Federal government started during the OPEC embargo in the 70s.

No, now that you are reaping the reward of what the rest of Canada financed for you to have this marvelous industry you get to stick tyour nose up in the air, claim superiority, and make threats while you enjoy the lowest provincial taxes in the country all off the back of the investments in your province by the whole country.


For the record: you're welcome.

But don't ever complain again that it's Quebec who won't stop whining..... because you guys take the cake.

Every major political party (with the possible exception of the Bloc) has taken a huge sterp to the right. The Alliance went so far to the right that they're out the door and out to lunch. The Liberal Party has seemed to fill the void that was created by the forming of the Alliance Party, and the New Democrats are now slightly right of centre: the Jack Layton NDPs are to the new century what the Trudeau Liberals were to the 70s, which, by my own standards is fine, if not quite dandy. Of course, I'm an idiot, so what would I know?

Actually, I'm quite impressed with the Bloc, as they seem much more socially progressive, as they are further to the left than the NDP, but, then again, Quebec doesn't get representation out in the middle of nowhere. Man, the East Coast sucks!

Do you not have a Monster Raving Loony Party over there in good old Canada?

I would consider voting for Communists or possibly the Greens if they had radical leftist policies but these parties unfortunately have no chance of winning a seat. Due to this I believe if I was a Canadian I would vote for the New Democrats as they have left of centre policies which would benefit ordinary people. If I lived in Québec I might also vote for the Bloc Québécois.

(sigh)

24% voted for the economic strength of canada, the economic freedom of canadians... and a big dip in unemployment.

but it's your country.
Yes. And according to the UN development report and index it's one great country, and will continue to be a great country under liberal leadership, according to what the most recent polls suggest.

To the non-Canadians that wonder why the Marijuana party only has one issue in it's platform, it's because it is not a real party, it's more like a joke party like the Rhino party we used to have. Although this one is more serious. Basically it acts as a way for like-minded people to get some media attention on an issue they feel is important and hopefully get the main parties to weigh in on it (favourably of course).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhino_party

Actually, I'm quite impressed with the Bloc, as they seem much more socially progressive, as they are further to the left than the NDP, but, then again, Quebec doesn't get representation out in the middle of nowhere. Man, the East Coast sucks!

Though I am from Ontario (and BC originally) I have actually worked in Parliament for 2 MP's from the East Coast ridings of Halifax NS and Sackville NS. Go NDP!

i would imagine he'll lower taxes for everyone who works, which is good for everyone who works

(assuming he's not a light-fingered socialist)
I'm sure that many people who work in Canada enjoy having accessible and affordable public transport in order to get to the aforementioned workplace.

Canada has had billions in suprluss year after year. *yawn*

Well, Alberta doesn't have billion dollar debts or any debt at all for that matter.

I'm sure that many people who work in Canada enjoy having accessible and affordable public transport in order to get to the aforementioned workplace.

Of course they do. I wouldn't know what that's like, though, since every American city I've lived in is so centered around the automobile. Fuck, these cities don't even LOOK like cities.

"Light-fingered Socialist"? Frangland, get a clue...

Well, Alberta doesn't have billion dollar debts or any debt at all for that matter.The national debt is a national responsability.

The national debt is a national responsability.

I know and a Conservative Government would actually work at reducing it, While the Liberals would rather just spend Tax Money to get re-elected.

I know and a Conservative Government would actually work at reducing it, While the Liberals would rather just spend Tax Money to get re-elected.

Keep saying the same things enough, and they might come true.

The new world doesn't need public transportation: gas prices will eventually be back to the price where we can gouge another couple holes in the ozone. And don't tell me we'll run outta gas, because I don't believe humanity is going to survive long enough to use up all the supply. And if we do, we won't survive the turmoil brought about by a war between the people who actually give a damn about the planet and the corporations that make money by feeding off the morally inclined. Stupid corporate dictatorship, using democrasy as a mask to give us poor saps a false sense of freedom.

I know and a Conservative Government would actually work at reducing it, While the Liberals would rather just spend Tax Money to get re-elected.The liberals have drastically reduced the national debt since the 1993 obliteration of the conservatives. They will continue to do so.

The new world doesn't need public transportation: gas prices will eventually be back to the price where we can gouge another couple holes in the ozone. And don't tell me we'll run outta gas, because I don't believe humanity is going to survive long enough to use up all the supply. And if we do, we won't survive the turmoil brought about by a war between the people who actually give a damn about the planet and the corporations that make money by feeding off the morally inclined. Stupid corporate dictatorship, using democrasy as a mask to give us poor saps a false sense of freedom.

Dark.

The truth can sometimes be that way. :(

The truth can sometimes be that way. :(

A good deal of it is truth, yes.

What of it isn't true (there's actually a lot I don't believein there, I'm just poissed at the world. I have faith that humanity will somehow cross the hurdle of greed, but I don't think I'll ever live to see it)

?

And don't tell me we'll run outta gas, because I don't believe humanity is going to survive long enough to use up all the supply.

This seemed a fair bit overboard...

I dunno, I figure someone's gonna nuke someone else, and that'll just bring in the end of the world.

Yes. And according to the UN development report and index it's one great country, and will continue to be a great country under liberal leadership, according to what the most recent polls suggest.

This same UN that believes third world dictators and genocides are a myth?

Wow, Canadians are gonna let the Liberals get away with murder again, eh? And people say that Americans are stupid....
Hmm... yes, let's not vote for the people who have given us surpluses for a decade and instead vote for the guy who's bitching and complaining and trying to slow everything down by dragging his feet as much as possible.

I didn't vote liberal last election, I may not vote liberal this election, but they're a hell of a lot better than crybaby Harper and company.

What? They are subject to both high taxes and being robbed of their money? Please, elaborate! They must be getting some sweet returns if they keep voting for this.

A prime minister that isn't from the 'crazy west'

Canada City']This same UN that believes third world dictators and genocides are a myth?
Actually, not it's not the same UN body.

The UN is more than just the Security Council.

you can have Belinda Stronach...she likes whoring herself out.
That is a disgusting and sexist comment.

How do we report this sort of thing to the mods?

Canada City']This same UN that believes third world dictators and genocides are a myth?The UN does not believe that third world dictators and genocides are myths. The Human Development Report CRIES out against those situations occurring in several places on Earth. The UN has very little to do with the Report. The UN's incapability to quickly resolve and attend to certain problems has nothing to do with the HDR. Spare me and everyone else on this forum your retoric please.

Wow, Canadians are gonna let the Liberals get away with murder again, eh? And people say that Americans are stupid....

First, trying to compare Canada with the USA is what is stupid. USA is nothing like Canada when it comes to the way each of their peoples think. The reality is the Liberals are the only viable party in Canada. It's that simple. The Conservatives don't stand a chance in hell and I feel that the NDP are too far to the left. They are out of touch with the way the world actually works.

Paul Martin has brought us balanced budget after balanced budget. While FM he had a wicked (good) track record of paying down the deficit and still does as PM. We have huge surpluses, he really had nothing to do with the sponsorship scandal and has pretty much fired anyone who did. He cleaned house when he became the leader of the party. A strong majority Liberal government will be a good thing. They do best represent what Canadians (at least the majority of Canadians) believe.

So, in the next election I have little doubt that they will recover their majority status. Lets not forget what Lyin Brian did with the conservatives which was to almost destroy our country. These conservatives are even worse, not only do they hold the same fiscal policies of spend, spend, spend that the old did, they also now bring the religious right to a country that doesn't accept religion in our government. Voting anyone but Liberal in my not so humble opinion in the next federal election is simply throwing your vote away. VOTE LIBERAL!

Which party to vote for? What happened to voting for the right person for the job because you agree with his policies and not just personally associate all the positive stuff to that party? Although I dont really know how the Canadian system works..

I have a crazy idea, let's just eliminate every other party so that the Liberals will always be in power. God forbid those commies... er... I mean NDP get any sort of voice in the country. And I keep hearing about these Conservatives... wasn't the PC party obliterated when it joined with the Reform party? Tories don't exist federally anymore, it's the Alliance Party.

Democracy! Ever hear of it Colin?

'Fraid I haven't. And they should bring back Preston Manning! What a voice!

I have a crazy idea, let's just eliminate every other party so that the Liberals will always be in power. God forbid those commies... er... I mean NDP get any sort of voice in the country. And I keep hearing about these Conservatives... wasn't the PC party obliterated when it joined with the Reform party? Tories don't exist federally anymore, it's the Alliance Party.
You never know, perhaps the conservatives will stop being the alliance reborn and start being progressive again. Perhaps the entire thing will shift to the right so the NDP end up centralist rather than the liberals, perhaps the green party will actually start to affect people...

My only thing is that I think we should maybe allot the seats in a way that more directly relates to the % of voters. That would mean more minority governments, but if we do away with the non-confidence vote thing then perhaps we could actually get more work done and the government would more accurately reflect the views of canadians.

The thing is, as I had stated earlier, is that there's already been a shift to the right, and that the NDP are about as central now as the Trudeau Liberals were.

Trudeau.

Trudeau was the best leader Canada has ever had. Goes to show what you know. :rolleyes:

I agree that trudeau was the best leader in Canada, but since then there's been a political shift, and the policies of the NDP resemble those of Trudeau.

Trudeau was the best leader Canada has ever had. Goes to show what you know. :rolleyes:
I'd say Laurier. He knew how to run an economy while keeping the country together even through the Manitoba Schools Crisis. If the American Secretary of State at the time hadn't screwed him over in the election he'd be even more revered than he is these days.

Laurier, St. Laurent, Pearson, and Trudeau are the true four fathers of our great nation. Honourable mention to Tommy Douglass.

Laurier, St. Laurent, Pearson, and Trudeau are the true four fathers of our great nation. Honourable mention to Tommy Douglass.
Unwilling to let any Conservatives make your list?

Trudeau was the greatest philosophical, and intelectual leader definitely.
But Pearson was the greatest Prime Minister we've ever had. Plus he had the greatest cabinet ever assembled on the face of this earth. Paul Martin Sr, Trudeau, Chretien and, well... Turner.

Unwilling to let any Conservatives make your list?
Well. Borden was great, just not on the same level as these four. Off the top of my head I can't recall anybody else.

On the other hand I think Mackenzie King was one of the worst PM's. That balances things a bit.

Trudeau was the greatest philosophical, and intelectual leader definitely.
But Pearson was the greatest Prime Minister we've ever had. Plus he had the greatest cabinet every assembled on the face of this earth. Paul Martin Sr, Trudeau, Chretien and, well... Turner.
Which makes you wonder why a majority government was so elusive to him.

The Liberals have always felt free to shift with public opinion, and no one has ever called them on it because they are quite good at it.

Laurier was in favour of free trade. Trudeau, Turner and Chrètien in his early days were against it. Then Chrètien and Martin were in favour of it.

Same thing goes with the balanced budget.

Pearson, and Trudeau are the true four fathers of our great nation. Honourable mention to Tommy Douglass.

I agree with these picks. And Tommy Douglas was the founding father of our universal health care, so a mention indeed he deserves.

As to not picking any conservatives, well I'd like to see one mentioned that actually helped the country instead of harm it and then I'll consider it.

Also it's sort of hard to pick a conservative leader given there has only been two in the last 100 years (3 if you include Joe Who?) and one was Brian the liar. So, we don't have a lot of conservatives to pick from.

I'm probably going Green myself.

After actually looking into each of the policies, theirs were the best mix of personal responsibility and public benefit that I've seen from any of them. They're certainly not the single issue party you expect from the name.
http://main.greenparty.ca/article10.html?&MMN_position=22:22

Is it throwing my vote away? I don't think so. After all, if they get a 5% share of the total popular vote of the country, they're allowed to take advantage of the government's political party funding program. And if that happens, they'll be able to mount a serious campaign.

IAlso it's sort of hard to pick a conservative leader given there has only been two in the last 100 years (3 if you include Joe Who?) and one was Brian the liar. So, we don't have a lot of conservatives to pick from.

Joe Clark may not have been the most inspiring man, but he was no idiot either.

Which makes you wonder why a majority government was so elusive to him.

The Liberals have always felt free to shift with public opinion, and no one has ever called them on it because they were quite good at it.

Laurier was in favour of free trade. Trudeau, Turner and Chrètien in his early days were against it. Then Chrètien and Martin were in favour of it.

Same thing goes with the balanced budget.
That has more to do with the very nature of liberalism. True liberals don't consider themselves to be centrists at all. Liberalism is against the very nature of left and right. That's why they shift into centre-left or centre-right periodically. Personally I favour the centre-left.

Joe Clark may not have been the most inspiring man, but he was no idiot either.
Clark was a good guy. Most Red Tories are anyway. :D

Joe Clark may not have been the most inspiring man, but he was no idiot either.

Hey, you'll get no argument from me, Joe Clark compared to what the conservatives are offering now seems rather good. He was a good politician, just not a good leader.

I miss my Reforrrrrrrrrm Party

I miss my Reforrrrrrrrrm Party

You're crazy then..*LOL* :D

I wonder what kind of people have the legalisation of marajuana as their #1 issue? I wonder what are this party's other policies?


What? They are subject to both high taxes and being robbed of their money? Please, elaborate! They must be getting some sweet returns if they keep voting for this.


Now, now, you're saying "leave this country"? That's no way for a mature person, especially a liberal person, to act.


And with these last words, he desparately cast himself into the Pacific Ocean.


I thought you were against taxes. Canada does appear to need a big miltary, with the USA defending it.


What, in the US Army trainees are attacked by bloodthirsty dogs?


Pity indeed, but at least more people voted for social freedom, community spirit, peace and quality of life.

social freedom? WTF? how are people socially free? are you talking about abortion and gay marriage?

i'll give you freedom: the freedom to spend your own money (or more of it, anyway) as you see fit... freedom from lazy, sticky fingers DEMANDING that you give them some of your hard-earned money (the nerve...). That is freedom.

If you want to give to charity, it would still be your choice. But that's the key -- it should be a person's choice whether or not he wants to give money for welfare programs. There sghould be two groups of welfare recipients made: able and unable.

the Unable group should be provided for with public funds until they can get back on their feet physically and/or mentally.

the Able group should be helped for maybe two months or until they are able to land a job (which ever comes first). This way, you minimalize the welfare budget while providing a stimulus for people to get busy supporting themselves. This would also greatly reduce dependence on government, reduce unemployment, increase the self-esteem of those who move off the welfare rolls and into jobs, and increase workforce production in Canada (or anywhere it's employed, for that matter).

peace is not gained by being militarily weak... then again, you border the US. you can afford to keep your military spending down because if anyone ever attacks you, we'll mop them up.

(hehe)

Hey Stephie. You should join the region of Canada. You could run for one of the ministires, we're currently in campains. So far no candidates.

I actually just miss Preston. We need more comic relief.

I miss my Reforrrrrrrrrm Party
For mocking purposes, surely?

EDIT: I see you already made that clear. Very well.

Hey Stephie. You should join the region of Canada. You could run for one of the ministires, we're currently in campains. So far no candidates.

Well, I live in Ottawa and everything..lol, but I only have two nations.. Stephistan who is putting up the good fight in the Atheist Empire and Xanaz that is helping our poor discriminated gay population to the south of the boarder. Although I'm straight and married with two kids.. it's a good cause. But.. you so tempt me as well. Perhaps I need 3 nations..lol :)

peace is not gained by being militarily weak... then again, you border the US. you can afford to keep your military spending down because if anyone ever attacks you, we'll mop them up.

(hehe)
Besides disagreeing completely with practicaly everything you've ever said I would like to point out that sharing a border with the USA's has nothing to do with gaining peace. There are SEVERAL nations all over the globe that have very similar foreign and military policies that Canada does, and they are peacefull nations.

oh... and they don't border your beloved USA.

Besides disagreeing completely with practicaly everything you've ever said I would like to point out that sharing a border with the USA's has nothing to do with gaining peace. There are SEVERAL nations all over the globe that have very similar foreign and military policies that Canada does, and they are peacefull nations.

oh... and they don't border your beloved USA.

I keep hearing about how the USA has our backs.. that's fabulous, gosh only knows how many times we've come to their rescue.. 9/11 to name a current one. But what makes me stop and think and think and think is when was the last time the USA ever came to our rescue? Oh right, that would be NEVER! ;)

I keep hearing about how the USA has our backs.. that's fabulous, gosh only knows how many times we've come to their rescue.. 9/11 to name a current one. But what makes me stop and think and think and think is when was the last time the USA ever came to our rescue? Oh right, that would be NEVER! ;)
I think it's because we actively try to avoid getting into situations where we need others to rescue us, which is a policy I'm quite happy with.

I think it's because we actively try to avoid getting into situations where we need others to rescue us, which is a policy I'm quite happy with.

Darn tootin!

ZERO.



That's the number of times that Canada has ever asked it's southern neighbour to help fight a war for them.

Besides disagreeing completely with practicaly everything you've ever said I would like to point out that sharing a border with the USA's has nothing to do with gaining peace. There are SEVERAL nations all over the globe that have very similar foreign and military policies that Canada does, and they are peacefull nations.

oh... and they don't border your beloved USA.

are any engaged against terrorism?

ZERO.



That's the number of times that Canada has ever asked it's southern neighbour to help fight a war for them.

World War 2?

are any engaged against terrorism?As in being involved in the war in Afghanistan, yes of course.

Canada City']World War 2?Canada volunteered under the british flag.

Canada City']World War 2?

Nope.. not even close..

Canadian war factories were safe from bombing. Canada became an arsenal, and was Britain's chief overseas supplier of war materiel.

Canada did not accept American Lend-Lease aid. Actually Canada ran its own lend-lease program for its allies called "Mutual Aid", supplying its allies with four billion dollars worth of war materiel. A further credit of a billion dollars was given to Britain.

Before dawn on D-Day, 230 heavy bombers from RCAF No.6 Group pounded German shore batteries with 860 tons of bombs. And in the daylight hours, RCAF fighter squadrons flew top cover for the invasion beaches.
Fifty Canadian destroyers, frigates and corvettes assisted in covering the invasion, providing anti-submarine escort and bombarding shore targets.


On D-Day, 14,000 Canadians stormed ashore on Juno Beach and were the only force to capture all their initial objectives that day.

Throughout the war, Canada provided training facilities and instruction to airmen from all over the world in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, graduating 132,000 pilots and aircrew, over half of whom were Canadian.

U.S. president F.D. Roosevelt called Canada "the aerodrome of democracy".

Next?

Canada volunteered under the british flag.
That would be due to the fact that our flag (Union Jack) was the same as the British flag at that time. One week after Britain declared war on Germany, on September 10th, 1939 Canada declared war on Germany.

Laurier, St. Laurent, Pearson, and Trudeau are the true four fathers of our great nation. Honourable mention to Tommy Douglass.
I think that Sir John A. MacDonald should be on that list, despite my liberal ideology. :)

That would be due to the fact that our flag (Union Jack) was the same as the British flag at that time. One week after Britain declared war on Germany, on September 10th, 1945 Canada declared war on Germany.We had the Red Ensign
http://www.warpoems.org/images/Canadian%20Red%20Ensign.jpg
But under the british flag, was a manner of speaking. The orders came from the British high rank.

On D-Day nobody went in farther and faster as the Canadians did. It was more due to pure luck and circumstance, but it's worth pointing out nonetheless. :D

If I was Canadian (to begin with), I'd go for the most libertarian party that's there

That is a disgusting and sexist comment.

How do we report this sort of thing to the mods?
I don't know who she is, so I can objectively say that this is not a sexist comment, and that as usual you are being oversensitive to politically incorrect speech.

Voting anyone but Liberal in my not so humble opinion in the next federal election is simply throwing your vote away. VOTE LIBERAL!
You should move to the USA, just to be a self-proclaimed Democrat.

social freedom? WTF? how are people socially free? are you talking about abortion and gay marriage?

i'll give you freedom: the freedom to spend your own money (or more of it, anyway) as you see fit... freedom from lazy, sticky fingers DEMANDING that you give them some of your hard-earned money (the nerve...). That is freedom.

If you want to give to charity, it would still be your choice. But that's the key -- it should be a person's choice whether or not he wants to give money for welfare programs. There sghould be two groups of welfare recipients made: able and unable.

the Unable group should be provided for with public funds until they can get back on their feet physically and/or mentally.

the Able group should be helped for maybe two months or until they are able to land a job (which ever comes first). This way, you minimalize the welfare budget while providing a stimulus for people to get busy supporting themselves. This would also greatly reduce dependence on government, reduce unemployment, increase the self-esteem of those who move off the welfare rolls and into jobs, and increase workforce production in Canada (or anywhere it's employed, for that matter).

peace is not gained by being militarily weak... then again, you border the US. you can afford to keep your military spending down because if anyone ever attacks you, we'll mop them up.

(hehe)
I agree with most of this. I'm not a big fan of welfare, and as I said before, Canada doesn't need a big military, nor do their people want to get entangled in the Iraq war.

But why do conservatives always rant about welfare? Is it just an easy target, or just the most objectionable part of the "socialist manifesto"?

But what makes me stop and think and think and think is when was the last time the USA ever came to our rescue? Oh right, that would be NEVER! ;)
Nobody would ever dare to attack Canada, even if they wanted to, because of the protection offered by the US Military.

That would be due to the fact that our flag (Union Jack) was the same as the British flag at that time. One week after Britain declared war on Germany, on September 10th, 1945 Canada declared war on Germany.
I hope you mean 1939, right?

Further reason for Western Canada to take our wealth and leave! We are getting sick and tired of being ruled from Quebec and having our wealth raped away to pay them to stay part of this dieing country!

Please dear God, don't include the rest of us westerners in your separatist diatribe!

You guys sound just like Quebec separatists - neither of you live in a world I like to call reality.

Voting anyone but Liberal in my not so humble opinion in the next federal election is simply throwing your vote away. VOTE LIBERAL!

Um Steph? In BC, we had several ridings in which the Conservatives won seats away from NDPers because Liberals split the vote. In that case, it was the Liberal voters who threw their votes away and handed the seat to the Harper club.

We're talking about 100 votes or less margins here - this "strategic voting" talk is what ensured that the Libs and the NDP did not have enough seats to form a majority voting block.

I agree. The best government periods in Canada have usually been minorities. As bad as the liberals are you just have to blame the tories right now for being worse. We need to ditch first-past-the-post to liven up our politics.

I said the Liberals were bad to this one guy who happens to be a card carrying member of the liberal party, and he freaked on my and started defending Quebec.

But why do conservatives always rant about welfare? Is it just an easy target, or just the most objectionable part of the "socialist manifesto"?


Both.

Then again, experiencing first hand by a lazy single parent father with three kids who is able to have a home, a meal, and new clothes without working for over a year does sway my side on Welfare to "get rid of it". They were living more comfortable then my family.

Fortunately a lot of people in the neighbourhood agreed with me and made their life a living hell until they moved out.

I hope you mean 1939, right?
Oh yeah, I made a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. Fixed now. :)

Canada City']Both.

Then again, experiencing first hand by a lazy single parent father with three kids who is able to have a home, a meal, and new clothes without working for over a year does sway my side on Welfare to "get rid of it". They were living more comfortable then my family.

Fortunately a lot of people in the neighbourhood agreed with me and made their life a living hell until they moved out.
And how did YOU make their life a "living hell"?

*CanuckHeaven* thinks the response should be interesting.

Voting anyone but Liberal in my not so humble opinion in the next federal election is simply throwing your vote away. VOTE LIBERAL!
Aren't we all tired of being scared into voting for parties we don't actually support? Vote your true feelings this time around. VOTE NEW DEMOCRAT!

Bahahaa... at one time his name was Jim Fulton (NDP) and after his political career he joined forces with BC's enviro-whackos whose raison d'etre is to depopulate northern BC. If you want northern BC to flourish, as do I since I am from there, DO NOT VOTE NDP. The provincial NDP is even worse. Which party do you recommend anyway? BTW, where do you used to live in the northwest?

Which party do you recommend anyway? BTW, where do you used to live in the northwest?

If I still lived in BC I think I'd buy a shotgun and move into a hut in the woods but that's because I've been living in Alberta for a while. :) Used to live in Kitimat.

I'm missing Social Credit more and more in BC but they're long gone and the alternatives simply stink. Besides that, the province is dominated by the city state of Vancouver so until that changes it doesn't matter who's in charge.

Please dear God, don't include the rest of us westerners in your separatist diatribe!

You guys sound just like Quebec separatists - neither of you live in a world I like to call reality.

true that. i can't even talk to my friends back east about politics once they hear i'm from alberta. they assume i'm a klein tory sepratist. ah well...

...speaking of which, you know what was great? i lived in one of the 100-vote split ridings in bc during the last election. it RULED. i felt like my vote mattered a little bit (which, having previously lived in preston manning's home riding, was new to me)

I have been rethinking my position on this subject. Vote NDP, give the liberals another minority. But, you must vote conservative in the election after this one. Because if we conservatives lose this election it is to are benefit in the long run, because we will finally be able to rid ourselves of Harper.

Vote MacKay in next election!

true that. i can't even talk to my friends back east about politics once they hear i'm from alberta. they assume i'm a klein tory sepratist. ah well...

...speaking of which, you know what was great? i lived in one of the 100-vote split ridings in bc during the last election. it RULED. i felt like my vote mattered a little bit (which, having previously lived in preston manning's home riding, was new to me)

I bet that was cool! I was in David Anderson's riding (Victoria). David Turner (NDP) gave him a run for his money but still lost by 1000 votes. It's really hard to get rid of someone who has been an incumbent for so long. Especially with the high numbers of seniors who vote in that riding. ("I've voted Liberal for 15 straight federal elections, and I'm not changing my vote now!" appears to be the refrain.)

Vote NDP, give the liberals another minority.

here here! the minority has really been working for me. more canadians following politics in depth, more left-liberal policy. good stuff. which we could have it more consistantly. other than the soap opera, the soap opera i could do without. ah well, i guess that's what got more canadians following politics in depth, so we can't have everything...