NationStates Jolt Archive


NS Monarchist Party

Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:24
~Manifesto of the NationStates Imperial Party~
1) The head of the government will be a dictator elected for life. This autocrat will serve as the commander in chief of the national defenses and s/he will appoint local governors who will serve for life. The autocrat may not, however, change the form of goevrnment or violate the given rights of the citizens without just cause.The monarch may have a personal guard, but s/he must fund it. The autocrat will designate an heir who will assume the duties of the office if the autocrat is unable to complete them.

2) Law and order will be distributed by local governors who will be appointed by the monarch and will serve for life. These officials will have control over local police forces and the courts. They will defend the given property rights of the inhabitants in their sector.

3) There will be a flat tax of 15% to be paid by all citizens holding a job. There will be no exemptions or deductions. Neglection to pay the taxes will result in comfiscation of property which will be held until the back taxes are paid. Taxes will be collected by the local governors.

4) The government shall provide the following services: Public education uo to the university level, a national defense, local police forces. A welfare system will not be instituted.

5) Inheritence will be comfiscated by the local governors. The heir will receive 25% of the inheritence and the rest will be used for law and order.

6) There will be a national army tournament to be held every year.

7) The rights granted to the citizen will be: the right to ones own property excluding inheritence, however s/he must contribute the nation via taxes, and so long as it does not violate any laws put forth by the governors or the monarch. Freedom of speech will be granted. The citizen may criticize the politics of the nation so long as it is not libel. Social institutions such as marriage will be legislated by a govenor at the local level.

8) Immigration will be controlled at the local level. The governor will decide the amount of immigrants to be allowed entrance into his or her community. A business may not hire foreign laborers without the permission of the governor. The govenor may ask for a sum to be paid for each foreign worker hired.

9)The foreign policy of the party is non-interventionist. The nation will not help other nations, whether they be allies or not. The governors and the monarch will deal only with the affairs of their respective sectors.

10) Upon the monarchs passing, a new one will be elected for life. The monarch will hold open forums for suggestions of how to rule, but they do not have to be accepted.

Members:
Yupaenu
Neo Kervoskia
Vetalia
Bjornoya
Vetalia
18-09-2005, 21:27
I'm in. Sounds efficent and has a strong central government. I like the flat tax and the inheritance idea.

Doesn't a monarchy require leaders to be related to each other? They sound more like an emperor to me.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:37
I'm in. Sounds efficent and has a strong central government. I like the flat tax and the inheritance idea.

Doesn't a monarchy require leaders to be related to each other? They sound more like an emperor to me.
I don't believe so.

Also, Thank you for joining the party.
Vetalia
18-09-2005, 21:39
I don't believe so.

Also, Thank you for joining the party.

No problem. However, I don't think we can run in this election because it was registered too late. :confused:
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:40
No problem. However, I don't think we can run in this election because it was registered too late. :confused:
I just found that out. I thought we had until the 20th, but I guess I was wrong.
Still, we can plan for the next election.
Yupaenu
18-09-2005, 21:40
long live the green dragon(heheh)!
Bjornoya
18-09-2005, 21:44
I'm thinking of joining this, but I tend to be more aristocratic. The life terms would seem a burden if the leader was incapable of doing his job (coma?).

And I would not agree that all social institutions should be left to all citizens. This is too democratic. I'd propose something like the best, most educated citizens decide how social institutions shall be handled.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:46
I'm thinking of joining this, but I tend to be more aristocratic. The life terms would seem a burden if the leader was incapable of doing his job (coma?).

And I would not agree that all social institutions should be left to all citizens. This is too democratic. I'd propose something like the best, most educated citizens decide how social institutions shall be handled.
The leader will have a designated heir in case of such an emergency, most likely someone from the aristocracy.
The governor could legislate social institutions at the local level.
Vegas-Rex
18-09-2005, 21:47
I don't believe so.

Also, Thank you for joining the party.

Vetalia's right, Monarchy entails inheritance of position. What you're describing is more of a Constitutional Autocracy.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:48
Vetalia's right, Monarchy entails inheritance of position. What you're describing is more of a Constitutional Autocracy.
I'll change the title.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:49
Vetalia's right, Monarchy entails inheritance of position. What you're describing is more of a Constitutional Autocracy.
It's supposed to resemble the Roman imperial system.
Bjornoya
18-09-2005, 21:50
The leader will have a designated heir in case of such an emergency, most likely someone from the aristocracy.
The governor could legislate social institutions at the local level.

So long as the masses don't have the final say in social institutions, I'm in.

If that's alright.
Vegas-Rex
18-09-2005, 21:55
So long as the masses don't have the final say in social institutions, I'm in.

If that's alright.

If your main goal is to disenfranchise the masses and put in power those qualified to rule, may I suggest the Technocrat Party? We may not be able to run for the upcoming election, but neither are the imperialists.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 21:57
If your main goal is to disenfranchise the masses and put in power those qualified to rule, may I suggest the Technocrat Party? We may not be able to run for the upcoming election, but neither are the imperialists.
Since neither of our parties can be in the election this time..want to join forces this once and lobby?
DHomme
18-09-2005, 22:00
Wow, the Fascist and Libertarian agree on something. It's almost as though fascism isn't really left wing and capitalism can never be libertarian. Whodathunkit?
Vegas-Rex
18-09-2005, 22:00
Since neither of our parties can be in the election this time..want to join forces this once and lobby?

Not sure...our parties have some major disagreements when it comes to rights...
Yupaenu
18-09-2005, 22:01
Not sure...our parties have some major disagreements when it comes to rights...
yes, we have different approches, we grant rights, you limit them.

or it also could be worded,
technocrats- you can do everything except this this and this
monarchists- you can do this this and this and nothing else
Vetalia
18-09-2005, 22:02
Since neither of our parties can be in the election this time..want to join forces this once and lobby?

I think we should either merge or form a coalition with other parties close to us.
Vegas-Rex
18-09-2005, 22:03
yes, we have different approches, we grant rights, you limit them.

We don't so much limit them as not believe in them, but similar effect.

In general, it would depend what we were lobbying for.
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 22:04
I think we should either merge or form a coalition with other parties close to us.
Which party would you suggest with which to form a coalition?
Fass
18-09-2005, 22:04
Now, where did I leave my trusty guillotine...


Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras.
Égorger nos fils, nos compagnes!

Aux armes, les citoyens!
Formez vos bataillons!
Marchons, marchons!
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons!
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 22:33
Wow, the Fascist and Libertarian agree on something. It's almost as though fascism isn't really left wing and capitalism can never be libertarian. Whodathunkit?
Always the bastian of truth. :rolleyes:
Yupaenu
18-09-2005, 23:35
hmm, how many members do we need to be considered a party? ten?
and why is it that when i started a party noone even looked at it, but here we have 4 members almost immediatly? :p
Neo Kervoskia
18-09-2005, 23:38
hmm, how many members do we need to be considered a party? ten?
and why is it that when i started a party noone even looked at it, but here we have 4 members almost immediatly? :p
We are recognized, but we can't run for election until the next one.
Rhursbourg
19-09-2005, 00:51
One Thinks One Should Join the party
Neo Kervoskia
19-09-2005, 00:52
One Thinks One Should Join the party
You're welcome to join, but we can't run for MP positions until next time.
Vetalia
19-09-2005, 01:04
Which party would you suggest with which to form a coalition?

That's the problem; I'd have to examine the active parties and see if there's any that we could join with.
Neo Kervoskia
19-09-2005, 01:06
That's the problem; I'd have to examine the active parties and see if there's any that we could join with.
I am not sure if there are many that would fit the criteria.
Vetalia
19-09-2005, 01:09
I am not sure if there are many that would fit the criteria.

I'd say it would have to be an issue by issue basis and not a perfect fit; perhaps we could find other flat-tax parties or something like that, and form a coalition for that particular issue.
Neo Kervoskia
19-09-2005, 01:14
I'd say it would have to be an issue by issue basis and not a perfect fit; perhaps we could find other flat-tax parties or something like that, and form a coalition for that particular issue.
Economically:
NS Conservative Party
NS Classic Liberals

We would agree with them, considering the other choices, economically.
Vetalia
19-09-2005, 01:19
Economically:
NS Conservative Party
NS Classic Liberals

We would agree with them, considering the other choices, economically.

So, I think that's where we're going to form a coalition. Perhaps an economic one at first...and then we can build on that in the next election to actually have a representative.
Neo Kervoskia
19-09-2005, 01:28
So, I think that's where we're going to form a coalition. Perhaps an economic one at first...and then we can build on that in the next election to actually have a representative.
Good plan. The NSCL don't seem to be as active, that will narrow our options. However, they did carry the second largest amount of votes.
Yupaenu
19-09-2005, 01:31
Good plan. The NSCL don't seem to be as active, that will narrow our options. However, they did carry the second largest amount of votes.
a person by the name of "the keas" did form an imperial monarchist party with me before. perhaps we can form a coalition with them? i haven't seen anyone who joined it 'round in a long time.
Neo Kervoskia
19-09-2005, 02:39
a person by the name of "the keas" did form an imperial monarchist party with me before. perhaps we can form a coalition with them? i haven't seen anyone who joined it 'round in a long time.
We should contact him/her.
Neo Kervoskia
20-09-2005, 02:23
Bump for later discussion.
Vetalia
20-09-2005, 02:24
Alright, I'm back. Any progress on forming a coalition?
Neo Kervoskia
20-09-2005, 02:25
Alright, I'm back. Any progress on forming a coalition?
Not yet, but I think we should post in the Election thread. We could form a loose PAC which we will later give our support to a party.