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so i was just playing Ace Combat 4 and at the end of the level someone says "did we win the war?" and gets an answer "i don't know, history deremins the winner" then i recall reading something along the lines of "winners write history" so, what happens during a war if history is writen by the winners but we don't know who the winners are entil the history tells us?

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I believe the saying was moreso "History is written by the Observer. Propaganda is written by the Victor." Which is true to an extent. With modern-day telecommunication systems you could have a thousand different people in the war-zone where only two are conflicting.

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Osaka uber alles!

Whoever wrote the history won the war. That's how you know they won: because they wrote the history.

Osaka uber alles!

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say to me, but I have a feeling you're cool.

Whoever wrote the history won the war. That's how you know they won: because they wrote the history.

but what if both write history saying they won the war?

but what if both write history saying they won the war?

Then one of them would really look stupid to the rest of the world?

I prefer to think that while the victors write the history, history determines who were the good guys.

but what if both write history saying they won the war?
Then one or both of the statements in the OP are wrong.

Or it was a tie.

so i was just playing Ace Combat 4 and at the end of the level someone says "did we win the war?" and gets an answer "i don't know, history deremins the winner" then i recall reading something along the lines of "winners write history" so, what happens during a war if history is writen by the winners but we don't know who the winners are entil the history tells us?
sorry for any bad spelling
The history written by the prewinner becomes just that - history.
The history written by the preloser becomes the jutification for the next war.

but what if both write history saying they won the war?
Then they both lost.

but what if both write history saying they won the war?

Then both lost, usually. Example: Vietnam.

Haha. If they both claimed to be the winner then the ones whom lost would get their asses royally kicked..again by the victor. And with the whole winner bit...the Romans fought against...some barbarian horde. One hundred thousand barbarians and ten thousand Legionaries. A roman scholar had made some claim to victory(which I never took time to memorize..and now I guess it has use. Maybe math was important after all.... :headbang: ). Well in the whole it would have been ratioed as 1 Legionarie: 3 Barbarians. Yet this varied with every other scroll of it. Funny, no? And what about the Scythians? They were wiped from the face of the earth(allegedly) and glorified about their grotesque rituals and such, yet rarely noticed of how they managed for a considerable time against advancing armies from East, West, and South.
See what I mean? For all we know all of such history could be lies made to glorify the homo sapien species. How do we know something happened if it never made a mark? Sure, you could *say* that you got in a fight with a crazed Amazonia; but if you aren't scarred can it be proven?
As a side note: I refer mainly to the medieval ages as nowadays the world would look down at a country if they went around for a coup de grace on the rival country.

{snip} Sure, you could *say* that you got in a fight with a crazed Amazonia; but if you aren't scarred can it be proven?
{snip}
Sure. Meet my wife...

raidst the blue skies above,
A link to past and future,
The sheltering wings of the protector.

The flames of hatred scorch the skies,
Igniting Gaia's funeral pyre.

Amidst of the eternal waves of time.

From a change of ripple shall the storm rise

Out of abyss peer the eyes of a demon

Behold the Razgriz, its wings of black sheath


The demon soars through dark skies

Fear and death trail the shadow beneath

Until men united wield hallowed saber

In final reckoning, the beast is slain



As the demon sleeps, man turns on man

His own blood and madness soon cover the earth

From depth of despair awaken the Razgriz

Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light

Cum historia mutat valde
Razgriz revelat ipsum:
Primum daemon scelestus est.

Cum potentia sua
Deamon fundet mortem in terram:
Deinde moritur.

Cum somnus finit,
Razgriz surget iterum:
Magnus heros est.
:D

The winner writes history----BUT----The LOSER determines when a war is over. The first one to quit loses. Remember "Mission Accomplished". The "winner" tried to determine when the war was over. That is not how war works. Until one quits and the other wins the war goes on. Korea is still at war and will be until one side quits. In Vietnam, the allies did NOT lose ONE major battle. Yet they lost the war because they quit first. A people of will and determination can hold out for generations. The Jews said "Next year in Jerusalem" for 2000 years. The Jews have not yet won as the Palistinians have not yet quit. That is the culture we face in Bushnam. Who will have more will to hold out? The Americans or their enemy? The first to quit loses.

Interesting game, Professor. The only winning move is not to play.
-WOPR/Joshua, Wargames

so i was just playing Ace Combat 4 and at the end of the level someone says "did we win the war?" and gets an answer "i don't know, history deremins the winner" then i recall reading something along the lines of "winners write history" so, what happens during a war if history is writen by the winners but we don't know who the winners are entil the history tells us?

sorry for any bad spellingQuite simple: While the war is going on, there are two sides to history. With the victory of one side, the other history is nullified as propaganda and doesn't really make it into the books. Hence, it's the winners that get to decide which of the two stories makes it into the history books.