NationStates Jolt Archive

Today is the 195th anniversary of the start of the Mexican War for Independence. How are you celebrating it?

I'm doing nothing.

I'm doing nothing.

Sounds good. :)

im smoking weed and shopping at walmart

I'm not Mexican, but I'll never turn down a chance to get drunk and steal other people's holidays. Heck, I've been Irish three St Patrick's days running.

well I live in Los Angeles, so everbody here is party'in.gettin drunk :fluffle:

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i hate you all

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I REALLY HATE YOU ALL AND DONT CARE ABOUT MEXICO"S STUPID INDEPendance and they were better off as part of spain

I REALLY HATE YOU ALL AND DONT CARE ABOUT MEXICO"S STUPID INDEPendance and they were better off as part of spain
Yeah, well, what's one gonna'do?
So, are you getting drunk or what?

I'm not Mexican, but I'll never turn down a chance to get drunk and steal other people's holidays. Heck, I've been Irish three St Patrick's days running.
I tried that, but I don't know if there aren't many Irish with brown skin or what that it didn't work out.

I agree with that one guy.

Their still ruled by the Spanish, and they (or about 95% of them) speak Spanish, and all the leaders are of Spanish descent, and 60% of the people are half Native half Euro. If they were really independent of Spain, they'd be speaking Nahuatl (Aztec Language) not Spanish. The Spanish still rule Mexico, all that ever happened was that the capital was moved from Madrid to Mexico City. Big deal. The Spanish has destroyed the real Mexico. This gets me really mad, and your not Mexicans, your just the desendants of the Spanish who came in and kiled all the natives, and then made a new country.

Damn Spanish.

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If they were really independent of Spain, they'd be speaking Nahuatl (Aztec Language) not Spanish.
So, the US is not independent from England because they still speak English instead of the native languages?

Mexico didn't exist before the arrival of the Spanish, and couldn't exist without the Spanish heritage. Mexico is as much Spanish as it is native, and that is a fact reflected in its population, customs, and even language. The average Mexican uses about 1400 words of native origin in everyday language.

This gets me really mad, and your not Mexicans, your just the desendants of the Spanish who came in and kiled all the natives, and then made a new country.
No, no. The natives were not Mexican. They were Aztec, Maya, Zapotec, Toltec, Purepecha, Raramuri, etc. but not Mexican.

And we are the descendant of both the Spanish (and French, Basque, Italian, Catalan, etc) AND the natives.

Hmm, I figured many NSers didn't like mexicans but still this is a disgrace, and I thought the kids at me school were retards, I'm Mexican (though I live in the US).

I was at a party earlier, lots of food and beer, then I came home. Now I'm here watching my people get dissed.

So, the US is not independent from England because they still speak English instead of the native languages?

Well the US has a whole lot of different cutluures. It really ticks me off though when someone says they are "native" to the US, when they are white. Mexico still has a helluva lot better record for treating the natives than the US does. Genocide sux.

Mexico didn't exist before the arrival of the Spanish, and couldn't exist without the Spanish heritage.

People lived there. They built up their own cutlures, and their own civilizations, and then the Spanish came to ruin it.

Mexico is as much Spanish as it is native, and that is a fact reflected in its population, customs, and even language. The average Mexican uses about 1400 words of native origin in everyday language.

They have native customs? Please tell me about it. Is Mexican art still Aztec like? Were the famous Mexican foods that are popular in my country invented and eaten by the Aztecs, Zapotecs, etc.?

No, no. The natives were not Mexican. They were Aztec, Maya, Zapotec, Toltec, Purepecha, Raramuri, etc. but not Mexican.

Please go type in "Mexica" on Wikipedia. You may be surprised.

And we are the descendant of both the Spanish (and French, Basque, Italian, Catalan, etc) AND the natives.

In my last post I think I did acknowledge that 90% of the nation is either native, or native/European.

I am not...i am canadian my GF is half puerto rican and i am not allowed to like mexico lol

I was at a party earlier, lots of food and , then I came home. Now I'm here watching my people get dissed.

I'm not dissing your people. It's just that in the time of the Aztecs, people migrated TO Mexico, not from it. Then the Spanish came, and Mexico sucks now. :(

I'm not dissing your people. It's just that in the time of the Aztecs, people migrated TO Mexico, not from it. Then the Spanish came, and Mexico sucks now. :(
You were, you were dissing us on our day that we won independance from the spanish, you said yourself you don't like the spanish, so wouldn't you be celebrating our independance?

You were, you were dissing us on our day that we won independance from the spanish, you said yourself you don't like the spanish, so wouldn't you be celebrating our independance?

I wasn't dissing you. I was dissing the Spanish.

The Aztecs, and the Mayans, and everyone there were just so cool with all their temples and their civilization and everything, and the Spanish ruined it! I'm not racist, but Dang! The ancient Mexicans invented Chocolate! For the love of God, CHOCOLATE!!!!

I don't h8 your people, It's just that I think the only people who can truely call themselves Native Mexicans are all in the mountains, and people rarely know they exist! :headbang:

Well the US has a whole lot of different cutluures. It really ticks me off though when someone says they are "native" to the US, when they are white. Mexico still has a helluva lot better record for treating the natives than the US does. Genocide sux.
And it's still pretty bad. Getting better, I think.

People lived there. They built up their own cutlures, and their own civilizations, and then the Spanish came to ruin it.
People lived in the geographical area now known as Mexico, but that didn't make them Mexican in the cultural or national sense. The Spanish certainly destroyed a lot, much of which they didn't understand, but they also kept some of what they understood.

They have native customs? Please tell me about it. Is Mexican art still Aztec like? Were the famous Mexican foods that are popular in my country invented and eaten by the Aztecs, Zapotecs, etc.?
Of course, Day of the Death is an ancient native tradition still widely observed. In many towns and villages there are fairs and celebrations in honor of maize and rain gods (now represented by Catholic saints). There is a lot of native influence in Mexican art, which is difficult to explain, but you can find in the works of painters and sculptors, as well as some architecture.

The food that you eat in your country probably has little Mexican, but the staple of the Mexican diet is the same as it was 1000 years ago: maize, beans and chili. And there are other more exotic foods still eaten in Mexico, from mole to ant eggs.

But Mexican food wouldn't really be Mexican without the European ingredients, especially plants, spices, and meats like pork and beef.

Please go type in "Mexica" on Wikipedia. You may be surprised.
The Mexica were not Mexican, although their name comes from the same Nahuatl root, which is not the name they gave to themselves. They were a group that splintered from the Nahuatl when they arrived to the Anahuac valley, they went on all the way to Oaxaca.

EDIT: Sorry, I was mistaken them for the Mixtecs :D The Mexica were actually the Nahuatl who stayed in Anahuac, and that's the name they gave their city: Mexico. That doesn't mean that they were culturally Mexican, or that other cultures that were totally unrelated to the Nahuatls, like the Mayan, Purepecha, Tlaxcaltec and others don't form part of the Mexican heritage.

I am not...i am canadian my GF is half puerto rican and i am not allowed to like mexico lol
As long as they don't make you like Ricky Martin :D

And it's still pretty bad. Getting better, I think.

That's good. The thing about the native Americans, is that the Europeans genocided just about ALL OF THEM! Every one of them from the Inuit, Incas, Araucanians, and Mayans. All of them were affected. If it was just 1 or 2 tribes that were wiped out, I'd be much more forgiving, but the Europeans changed all of them! It's not like they had any place to go. If the European settlers were ever driven from the Ameicas, they could just go back to Europe, and probably would never be conquered. Conquest is one thing, but Genocide is bad, and the times between 1500 to 1700 saw the biggest genocide in history.

People lived in the geographical area now known as Mexico, but that didn't make them Mexican in the cutluural or national sense. The Spanish certainly destroyed a lot, much of which they didn't understand, but they also kept some of what they understood.

And they didn't keep much.

Thank you for that information. I've also noticed that a lot of your cities have Nahuatl names.

The food that you eat in your country probably has little Mexican, but the staple of the Mexican diet is the same as it was 1000 years ago: maize, beans and chili. And there are other more exotic foods still eaten in Mexico, from mole to ant eggs.

Why eat that when you can have Tacos, and Salsa? :eek:

Thank you for that other information. I've also noticed that a lot of your cities have Nahuatl names.

But Mexican food wouldn't really be Mexican without the European ingredients, especially plants, spices, and meats like pork and beef.

Yeah, the Europeans did some good, I'll admit.

The Mexica were not Mexican, although their name comes from the same Nahuatl root, which is not the name they gave to themselves. They were a group that splintered from the Nahuatl when they arrived to the Anahuac valley, they went on all the way to Oaxaca.

If what you say about modern Mexico being a mix of the European and Native, than the Mexica were in fact the early Mexicans.

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I tried that, but I don't know if there aren't many Irish with brown skin or what that it didn't work out.
Similar problem. Apparently there isn't an abundance of black Irish... I figured since I'm Catcholic it'd be cool though... oh how wrong I was...

Conquest is one thing, but Genocide is bad, and the times between 1500 to 1700 saw the biggest genocide in history.
Well, the motives and actions of Europe are very debatable. Most modern people would agree that the wars, genocide, and the following slavery and systemic destruction of cultures was a very bad thing. But on the other hand, given the times and the development of each of those cultures it was also almost a historical inevitability. All we can do is look back and try to find some answers, but as people of our times I don't think we can really understand them.

Why eat that when you can have Tacos, and Salsa? :eek:
What do you think tacos and salsa are made of? The tortilla is made of maize, just the same way as it has been for centuries (unless you're in Taco Bell, yech). Salsas are made of several chilis, tomatoes and other plants.

And what are you going to put inside the taco? Usually beans, and some meat, which now means chicken, pork, or beef.

If what you say about modern Mexico being a mix of the European and Native, than the Mexica were in fact the early Mexicans.
Yeah, but not only them. They were only one of several native nations that later made up the Mexican nation, which also includes several European and even African cultures.

Wait, yesterday was Mexican independance day? So what's Cinco de Mayo? I always thought I was pounding tequila shots until I vomit to celebrate Mexican independance on that date.

Wait, yesterday was Mexican independance day? So what's Cinco de Mayo? I always thought I was pounding tequila shots until I vomit to celebrate Mexican independance on that date.
No, you were celebrating the victory over French troops at the battle of Puebla.

Oh, yes, the US is not the only country with the distinction of having invaded Mexico. France also did so successfully twice in the 19th century. The first time they came along England and Spain to ask for reparations. Mexico negotiated with all three and got England and Spain to go back, but France decided to invade, after all it was a long way back.

They hit a snag in Fortín de las Flores, Puebla, when they met the troops led by General Ignacio Zaragoza (born in Texas, by the way) and were defeated. Then they went around them and all the way to Mexico City, winning the war.

Nevertheless, that's the only battle that Mexico has ever won in an international conflict, that's why it's celebrated.

Since some of the reparations included some kind of damage done to a French pastry maker the war is known as Guerra de los Pasteles, or War of the Pastries. They left after getting their money.

It's also known as the First French Intervention.

I'm an American of Mexican heritage, but I'm not doing anything to celebrate el dieciséis de septiembre. The only thing I like about that date and July 4 is that they were victories of the people against colonial exploiters, but I don't find it inherently a cause to celebrate that a new nation was born. Nations are imaginary abstractions that serve to needlessly divide humanity.

i'm insulting this bitch in my art class. telling her how can she be proud of a country that half the population wants to jump the border to enter a country half the world hates.

for the record, i'm of mexican descent.

I don't like Mexico. I'm not doing anything.

i'm insulting this bitch in my art class. telling her how can she be proud of a country that half the population wants to jump the border to enter a country half the world hates.

And the ironic thing is that Mexico is in that half much of the time.

Yeah, the country is pretty screwy right now. But it hasn't always been that way and I hope it won't always be. Some pretty cool things have come from Mexico, mainly in the arts.

Anyway, why would you insult her and call her a bitch? Do you like her or something?

Hmm, good question...saying a silent prayer of apology for stealing half their nation and then later persecuting their citizens when they try to jump back over the border?

I am Australian..... I speak English - no second language!

But all my ancestors came as settlers or convicts from England, I am seventh generation Australian.

Someone born in Mexico are classed as Mexicans, not Spanish. Mexico rocks! Cool history, cool food!

And the ironic thing is that Mexico is in that half much of the time.

Yeah, the country is pretty screwy right now. But it hasn't always been that way and I hope it won't always be. Some pretty cool things have come from Mexico, mainly in the arts.

Anyway, why would you insult her and call her a bitch? Do you like her or something?


most obnoxious girl in the world. i am NOT joking.