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COMMENTARY: Now I'm conflicted over this! Two military officers, one Army, one Navy, stated that Atta was identified prior to 9/11, but the members of the Sep. 11 Commission refuse to believe it??? WTF is going on???


Sept. 11 Commission Rejects Atta Claim

Associated Press | September 15, 2005

WASHINGTON - Former members of the Sept. 11 commission on Wednesday dismissed assertions that a Pentagon intelligence unit identified lead hijacker Mohamed Atta as an member of al-Qaida long before the 2001 attacks.

Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., had accused the commission of ignoring intelligence about Atta while it investigated the attacks. The commission's former chairman, Thomas Kean, said there was no evidence anyone in the government knew about Atta before Sept. 11, 2001.

Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, claimed a classified military intelligence unit, known as "Able Danger," identified Atta before the attacks. Shaffer has said three other hijackers were identified, too.

Kean said the recollections of the intelligence officers cannot be verified by any document.

"Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us," said a former commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash.

Pentagon officials said this month that they could find no documents to back up the claims.

According to Weldon, members of "Able Danger" identified Atta and three other hijackers in 1999 as potential members of a terrorist cell in New York City. Weldon said Pentagon lawyers rejected the unit's recommendation that the information be turned over to the FBI in 2000.

Weldon's spokesman, John Tomaszewski, said no commissioners have met with anyone from Able Danger "yet they choose to speak with some form of certainty without firsthand knowledge."

Good morning! :D

Welcome to the party. Things have been advancing pretty quick, but you'll get caught up in no time. Have a drink!

Since the 9/11 Commission made errors in their report, what other facts did they overlook.

I think we should press them for more details about what they have overlooked.

Since the 9/11 Commission made errors in their report, what other facts did they overlook.

I think we should press them for more details about what they have overlooked.
I agree! This whole thing smells! :(

I agree! This whole thing smells! :(

This goes to show that you should never trust anyone to have an independent investigation. Apparently, they ignored this fact but I want to know why. They are not answering questions regarding it.

It is high time for America to begin to question this report. We should have a revisit of it and see what else they missed.

I agree! This whole thing smells! :(
The only thing that smells to me is the convenient way Weldon and then these other two people, one of whom I believe never had any firsthand contact with Able Danger, but only claims to have overheard conversations about Atta suddenly come up with this years later.

Everyone ignores facts. Otherwise things would just make sense, and we can't have any of that nonsense here.

The only thing that smells to me is the convenient way Weldon and then these other two people, one of whom I believe never had any firsthand contact with Able Danger, but only claims to have overheard conversations about Atta suddenly come up with this years later.
WTF! :(

WTF! :(
What? There's something wrong with being skeptical about a guy (Weldon) who pops up with a story more than 3 years after the 9/11 attacks about seeing Atta's name on a posterboard before the 9/11 attacks? What the hell took him 3 years to put 2 and 2 together? Is he that fucking stupid that Atta's picture on every newscast for months didn't register before now? I'll remember Atta's face until I die, and Weldon didn't have an inkling that he'd seen Atta's face before for nearly 3 years? I'm just not willing to swallow this yet--it all feels a little too convenient for me.

Since the 9/11 Commission made errors in their report, what other facts did they overlook.

I think we should press them for more details about what they have overlooked.
Sure, they should be allowed to post what the Administration called upon them to NOT ASK and NOT DISCLOSE during the investigation process, 'specially when it got near W-and-Cheney's chance to "speak".

How many pages blacked out? Do you have that info?

Everyone ignores facts. Otherwise things would just make sense, and we can't have any of that nonsense here.
....I smell a religion!!!!
*cheers*

What? There's something wrong with being skeptical about a guy (Weldon) who pops up with a story more than 3 years after the 9/11 attacks about seeing Atta's name on a posterboard before the 9/11 attacks? What the hell took him 3 years to put 2 and 2 together? Is he that fucking stupid that Atta's picture on every newscast for months didn't register before now? I'll remember Atta's face until I die, and Weldon didn't have an inkling that he'd seen Atta's face before for nearly 3 years? I'm just not willing to swallow this yet--it all feels a little too convenient for me. :D
I see that rational thought is pretty foriegn in the Nazz.

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I see that rational thought is pretty foriegn in the Nazz.


What was irrational about the post you quoted? :confused:

Nothing, I guess, if you also believe in Bigfoot, and bombs in the New Orleans levies. :rolleyes:

in other words you are just flaming? because if you could point out what was irrational about the post I would be happy to give it some consideration. If you can't do it, don't worry about it. I never really expected you to be able to.

What was irrational about the post you quoted? :confused:
Nothing, I guess, if you also believe in Bigfoot, and bombs in the New Orleans levies. :rolleyes:

This further convinces me that the pre-9/11 problem was NOT a lack of govt power/size but rather a lack initiative to use the powers at hand to investigate.

It would probably be best to wait for a credible source on this before jumping to conclusions from reading an unsourced email.

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Aaaaah. Sweet, sweet nectar. :D

Aaaaah. Sweet, sweet nectar. :D
The mods frown on rubbing it in that you've placed someone on ignore. :(

The mods frown on rubbing it in that you've placed someone on ignore. :(

really? whoppsie. :eek:

The mods frown on rubbing it in that you've placed someone on ignore. :(
Didn't know that--won't do it again. Thanks for the heads up.

Nothing, I guess, if you also believe in Bigfoot, and bombs in the New Orleans levies. :rolleyes:

Wait, so wondering about the accuracy and motives of someone who held this nugget of information for 2+ years is along the same lines as bigfoot believers?

I'm sure there is lots about 9/11 that hasn't been disclosed. But just because there's stuff we don't know doesn't mean that every person claiming to have information actually has some. I want to see more about this, I want to see some more transparency in this government (something I've been saying all along and only now is Eut coming around.)