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If this is the face of the new left, it's going to be a long cold winter for their party.
I was going to comment, but I couldn't do it without roasting him and anyone else who thought the same thing.

This forum's structure has gone off the deep-end.

When all this started, i had to feel some sympathy for the woman. It just didn't make sense why the President wouldn't meet with her, and nip the problem in the bud before it became a national media circus. I now understand why... she's certifiably nuts.

She has actually called for the U.S. to "pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans." That's right, all of those people down there who were complaining about the slow response and requesting federal help were wrong... the mayor, the governor, etc. they were all mistaken. Obviously they didn't know they were inviting an occupying force into their city, and not a group to keep law and order as the NO police dept. buckled under the extreme pressure which no police dept. could readilly cope with. Obviously someone who has been to New Orleans only sparringly at best, and has intimate knowledge about the domestic policy of the armed forces. Who could doubt her expertise in such areas? I mean, after all, her son was killed in a foreign land, so that has to give her the standing of a tactical and logistical expert of modern armies, right?

If this is the face of the new left, it's going to be a long cold winter for their party.

And congrats on not using personal tragedy to cash in (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb284918.htm) like a politician would. It's good to know some people still chooose the high road... :rolleyes:

Sources:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php (see last paragraph)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17531_Mama_Moonbat-_Occupied_New_Orleans#comments

Well, do you know how many New Oreans civilians have died or been turned into refugees since the US military occupation of New Orleans?

Okay, this is confusing me here. I click on the thread and all I see is the title and this thing -> O.o

Is there an original thingy I'm missing? Am I crazy. What is going on here people!

can a military really "occupy" its own country? :rolleyes:

WTF's going on with JOLT? The posts in this thread are all in the wrong order. The first post is now in the middle.

When all this started, i had to feel some sympathy for the woman. It just didn't make sense why the President wouldn't meet with her, and nip the problem in the bud before it became a national media circus. I now understand why... she's certifiably nuts.

She has actually called for the U.S. to "pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans." That's right, all of those people down there who were complaining about the slow response and requesting federal help were wrong... the mayor, the governor, etc. they were all mistaken. Obviously they didn't know they were inviting an occupying force into their city, and not a group to keep law and order as the NO police dept. buckled under the extreme pressure which no police dept. could readilly cope with. Obviously someone who has been to New Orleans only sparringly at best, and has intimate knowledge about the domestic policy of the armed forces. Who could doubt her expertise in such areas? I mean, after all, her son was killed in a foreign land, so that has to give her the standing of a tactical and logistical expert of modern armies, right?

If this is the face of the new left, it's going to be a long cold winter for their party.

And congrats on not using personal tragedy to cash in (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb284918.htm) like a politician would. It's good to know some people still chooose the high road... :rolleyes:

Sources:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php (see last paragraph)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17531_Mama_Moonbat-_Occupied_New_Orleans#comments
Just as I have stated all along, this woman is certifiable and is dishonoring the memory of her fallen son. :(

Well, do you know how many New Oreans civilians have died or been turned into refugees since the US military occupation of New Orleans?
Um ... would you believe none! :)

can a military really "occupy" its own country? :rolleyes:
According to Sinn Fein, yes.

Um ... would you believe none! :)
Well how's that going to help out the cause of anti-American propaganda? Can't we make a few up?

Well how's that going to help out the cause of anti-American propaganda? Can't we make a few up?
Call Jesse Jackson. Tell him there's another hurricaine on the way and that the only way to save New Orleans is for him to fly down there and end the military "occupation." When he gets there, shoot his sorry ass. That will start riots all across the Country and there will be lots of deaths to blame on the military. :rolleyes:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17531_Mama_Moonbat-_Occupied_New_Orleans#comments
This link doesn't work. :(

The psycho is really digging further and further down for garbage to smear the goverment with.

Way to go, Democrats, way to go.

I am leaving the party.

Well, she's pissed that her celebrity is burning out, and needs a way to grab 15 more minutes. Doing something zany like displaying a blatant ignorance of US law and emergency response is a great way to get more attention for yourself. This nut has gone down the tubes even faster than Bush's approval ratings.

This link doesn't work. :(
They've got a message on their site... apparently drudge linked to the article off his website, and that bogged down the site.

It's currently on drudgereport.com, michaelmoore.com, and sheehan's own blog (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/a-bright-spot-in-bush-wor_b_7433.html).

The following is taken from drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm):

CINDY SHEEHAN CALLS FOR U.S TO 'PULL OUR TROOPS OUT OF OCCUPIED NEW ORLEANS'

Celebrity anti-war protester, fresh off inking a lucrative deal with Speaker's Bureau, has demanded at the HUFFINGTON POST and MICHAEL MOORE'S website that the United States military must immediately leave 'occupied' New Orleans.

"I don't care if a human being is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. I donÕt care if a human being is Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or pagan. I donÕt care what flag a person salutes: if a human being is hungry, then it is up to another human being to feed him/her. George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power. The only way America will become more secure is if we have a new administration that cares about Americans even if they don't fall into the top two percent of the wealthiest."

Sheehan is in the middle of a bus trip across America in support of her cause.

Developing...

So much ad-hominem and so little discussion :rolleyes:

Apart from Vetalia who spoke vaguely about US law and emergency response, nobody has discussed the issue. You only called Mrs. Sheenan "crazy", "nut" and other disparaging remarks.

You should all be ashamed of yourself.

Wow...

It sounds like an honest verbal flub from an otherwise goofball self-righteous
zealot lefist tool.

Give the poor girl a break..!!

can a military really "occupy" its own country? :rolleyes:

yes

Wow, so sheehan continues with her nasty anti-American screeds. She has not gone off the deep end, that happened a long time ago. She has drowned.

I would be interested to hear the perspective of American liberals and Democrats on Ms. Sheehan's comments about New Orleans.

Personally I disagreed with her from the start, and couldn't agree with her less now, but I'm interested in what her supporters have to say.

When all this started, i had to feel some sympathy for the woman. It just didn't make sense why the President wouldn't meet with her, and nip the problem in the bud before it became a national media circus.
Yup, another mistake by Georgy boy!!

I now understand why... she's certifiably nuts.
Dr. Puppet States at your service?

And congrats on not using personal tragedy to cash in (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb284918.htm) like a politician would. It's good to know some people still chooose the high road... :rolleyes:
Oh cool. Now she will get paid for telling her anti-war story. Another fine victory for Georgy boy. :D

yes
Only by first overthrowing the duly elected government.

Yup, another mistake by Georgy boy!!
Dr. Puppet States at your service?
Oh cool. Now she will get paid for telling her anti-war story. Another fine victory for Georgy boy. :D
As usual, you totally missed the point. That being, the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan will make the misfits and losers of the left look even more like the idiots that most of us already know they are.

As usual, you totally missed the point. That being, the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan will make the misfits and losers of the left look even more like the idiots that most of us already know they are.
I haven't missed the point at all, and I just love how you label the left as "misfits and losers". Anyways.....

Being such a strong "centrist" yourself :rolleyes: , I would assume that Sheehan would not appear to be all that radical to you?

And truth be known, I think that the radical right that would stifle Sheehan's right to "freedom of speech", are the ones doing the most damage to the American fabric?

I would be interested to hear the perspective of American liberals and Democrats on Ms. Sheehan's comments about New Orleans.

Democrat here. Not sure if I want to associate myself with the "liberal" lable these days any more than I'd want to be labled conservative.

At any rate, I completely disagree with that woman. I do not think that she, and others, understand the logistics behind the war (Some of this being GW's fault, of course). However, I also think that this was an issue that GW handled very poorly. All it would have taken was a 15 minute talk with her right away, and this entire mess could have been pre-empted. Now look what it has turned into.

Just as I have stated all along, this woman is certifiable and is dishonoring the memory of her fallen son. :(
It wasn't called Camp Crazy for nothing. I'm sure the people that would have mattered to her son have gotten over her by now.

She's on her bus trip. Good. Has she discovered what happened to Jane Fonda after she started her bus trip?


Sheehan is in the middle of a bus trip across America in support of her cause.

She's on her bus trip. Good. Has she discovered what happened to Jane Fonda after she started her bus trip?
The Bus Tour of Hatred.

Yup, another mistake by Georgy boy!!

Given her lunacy and ranting..I'd say that his not meeting with her has been the wisest decision.

I sure as hell wouldn't

And in case it had escaped your notice she already has had a meeting with the President.

And truth be known, I think that the radical right that would stifle Sheehan's right to "freedom of speech", are the ones doing the most damage to the American fabric?

I'd say it was more a case of "let her speak on, that all shall know her mad".

And before I forget, freedom of speech is a responsibility..the "freedom of speech" crap does not give you the right to stand up in a crowded theatre , and scream "FIRE" at the top of your lungs.

"Freedom of speech" is not carte blanche to do and say as you like when you like and have no consequences.

Grow up.

Given her lunacy and ranting..I'd say that his not meeting with her has been the wisest decision.

I sure as hell wouldn't

And in case it had escaped your notice she already has had a meeting with the President.



I'd say it was more a case of "let her speak on, that all shall know her mad".

And before I forget, freedom of speech is a responsibility..the "freedom of speech" crap does not give you the right to stand up in a crowded theatre , and scream "FIRE" at the top of your lungs.

"Freedom of speech" is not carte blanche to do and say as you like when you like and have no consequences.

Grow up.
Just to add on... Don't forget that free speech works both ways. Free speech doesn't give one freedom from criticism. Or freedom from responsibility, as you have pointed out.

Well how's that going to help out the cause of anti-American propaganda? Can't we make a few up?

We don't need to. Eutrusca is (just for a change), wrong... since, anyone seeking refuge (from war, disease, famine, whatever) is a 'refugee'... and thus, there are somwthing like 400,000 'refugees' from New Orleans, of which at least SOME must have left AFTER the 'occupation' by troops.

Given her lunacy and ranting..I'd say that his not meeting with her has been the wisest decision.

I sure as hell wouldn't
Ranting is okay? You are qualified to judge her as a lunatic?

And in case it had escaped your notice she already has had a meeting with the President.
I understand that she did have a meeting with Bush last year. However, this meeting would appear to be a lot more important in the politics of today?

I'd say it was more a case of "let her speak on, that all shall know her mad".
Absolutely. If she is "mad" as you suggest, then let her carry on and let the people decide.

And before I forget, freedom of speech is a responsibility..the "freedom of speech" crap does not give you the right to stand up in a crowded theatre , and scream "FIRE" at the top of your lungs.
Freedom of speech is an inalienable right (http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/whatsdem/whatdm3.htm):

Inalienable rights include freedom of speech and expression, freedom of religion and conscience, freedom of assembly, and the right to equal protection before the law.

You can only hope that people would use that "right" responsibly?

"Freedom of speech" is not carte blanche to do and say as you like when you like and have no consequences.
No, I think you are wrong there. The individual has the "right" to say whatever they please, however, that doesn't mean that there won't be consequences.

Grow up.
Since I am more than likely old enough to be your father, I do think you should exercise a bit more restraint in using the ad hominen attacks. It doesn't make your argument any better. :D

We don't need to. Eutrusca is (just for a change), wrong... since, anyone seeking refuge (from war, disease, famine, whatever) is a 'refugee'... and thus, there are somwthing like 400,000 'refugees' from New Orleans, of which at least SOME must have left AFTER the 'occupation' by troops.

In a way the purpose of the national guard in New Orleans is to create refugees, since their main job is to find the people still stuck in the city and help them get out. In this case being a refugee is probably the best option, at least compared to staying behind.

*sigh*
I should point out to the people having a field-day that Sheehan does not represent the views of the Democratic party any more than Limbaugh represents the views of Republicans.
Shes a nutter, the same way that Michael Moore is a profiteering jackass (<-Personal opinion not related to politics, honestly :P).

Just to add on... Don't forget that free speech works both ways. Free speech doesn't give one freedom from criticism. Or freedom from responsibility, as you have pointed out

Agreed 100%..that's what gets me about this. Ms Sheehan's "freedom of speech" has not been curtailed by anyone.

And no "right wingers' want to, either..trust me, they and I are more than happy to let her say as much as she likes...we are more than happy to let her have whatever platform she wants.

(Think on that one for a moment :p :p :p )

Since I am more than likely old enough to be your father, I do think you should exercise a bit more restraint in using the ad hominen attacks. It doesn't make your argument any better.

And you know this...how? Careful there.....

Agreed 100%..that's what gets me about this. Ms Sheehan's "freedom of speech" has not been curtailed by anyone.

And no "right wingers' want to, either..trust me, they and I are more than happy to let her say as much as she likes...we are more than happy to let her have whatever platform she wants.

(Think on that one for a moment :p :p :p )

Straw man is a powerful tactic. In the case of Sheehan, I think we need a little fire.

If this is the face of the new left, it's going to be a long cold winter for their party.
Can you give me the name of that political party, because I don't know of it.

Antre_Travarious']The psycho is really digging further and further down for garbage to smear the goverment with.

Way to go, Democrats, way to go.

I am leaving the party.
Since when is Sheehan a Democrat?

Agreed 100%..that's what gets me about this. Ms Sheehan's "freedom of speech" has not been curtailed by anyone.

And no "right wingers' want to, either..trust me, they and I are more than happy to let her say as much as she likes...we are more than happy to let her have whatever platform she wants.

(Think on that one for a moment :p :p :p )
Actually, many "right wingers" have shown quite a bit of disdain for Sheehan's "rights". Perhaps you are new here and you haven't seen the hatred that has been thrown at her?

I think we need a little fire.

Nah just plant her in a field to scare the birds away :D :D :D :D

Can you give me the name of that political party, because I don't know of it.


Since when is Sheehan a Democrat?

She claims to be. She probably voted for Kerry. She's a Democrat, just not a very representative one.

And you know this...how? Careful there.....
Just an educated quess? Unless Free Western Nations is a puppet state, you and I have never debated before and I find it rather odd that you would choose to begin "our" debate history with an ad hominen attack? Suggesting to me that I "grow up", when you don't know squat about me, IMHO is somewhat juvenile.

Since when is Sheehan a Democrat?
Since she said so. Besides, I was talking about the moveon.org democrats that have supported her.

I sympathized with her at first. Then she started bashing the president becuase he "hasn't" met with her. He has. She's just trying to get more fame by saying stuff like this. Democrats need more people standing up and representing what the Democratic party is really about. There are too many radicals/liberals aligning themselves with the democratic party and smearing them. No wonder more and more democrats are becomeing moderates or conservative moderates.

And for the record..I'm a Conservative Republican.

Here's how I look at the parties (left to right; farther left=more liberal, farther right: more conservative)

Radical, Liberal, Democrat, Moderate Democrat, Moderate, Conservative Moderate, Republican, Conservative

When all this started, i had to feel some sympathy for the woman. It just didn't make sense why the President wouldn't meet with her, and nip the problem in the bud before it became a national media circus. I now understand why... she's certifiably nuts.

She has actually called for the U.S. to "pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans." That's right, all of those people down there who were complaining about the slow response and requesting federal help were wrong... the mayor, the governor, etc. they were all mistaken. Obviously they didn't know they were inviting an occupying force into their city, and not a group to keep law and order as the NO police dept. buckled under the extreme pressure which no police dept. could readilly cope with. Obviously someone who has been to New Orleans only sparringly at best, and has intimate knowledge about the domestic policy of the armed forces. Who could doubt her expertise in such areas? I mean, after all, her son was killed in a foreign land, so that has to give her the standing of a tactical and logistical expert of modern armies, right?

If this is the face of the new left, it's going to be a long cold winter for their party.

And congrats on not using personal tragedy to cash in (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb284918.htm) like a politician would. It's good to know some people still chooose the high road... :rolleyes:

Sources:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php (see last paragraph)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17531_Mama_Moonbat-_Occupied_New_Orleans#comments

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html

Scroll down to "Martial Law Clarified." The website is an anthology of sorts.

Also, I remember accounts during the first few days that 1) people trying to walk out of New Orleans were forced to return to the city by armed guards, and 2) that people trying to deliver relief, including the Red Cross, were turned away by FEMA. Such accounts are probably further down, but I didn't have two hours to read the website, for it is a rather lengthy collection of short articles.

While the situation has probably improved since then (I can't say for sure because I'm not in New Orleans), conditions such that existed in the first few days closely resembled a military occupation. I'm not going to call Cindy Sheehan "anti-American" or other such fascist-sounding tripe for protesting horrible conditions within the city. I will not presume to say whether she was protesting on behalf of those who had no voice, or if she had more selfish motivations, for I do not know her.

Eutrusca, the "freedom" that you defended our right to have is nearly useless if it means that "love it or leave it" people try to intimidate those trying to exercise said freedom.

In other Sheehan news, she warns that the Klingons invasion is imminent and we should be preparing to start learning to speak in gutteral growls.

I think the only occupying force here, is the air occupying Sheehan's skull.

Eutrusca, the "freedom" that you defended our right to have is nearly useless if it means that "love it or leave it" people try to intimidate those trying to exercise said freedom.
And when or where have I ever indicated otherwise?

In other Sheehan news, she warns that the Klingons invasion is imminent and we should be preparing to start learning to speak in gutteral growls.
Do you have a link for this story? :rolleyes:

I think the only occupying force here, is the air occupying Sheehan's skull.
You are probably just jealous, because she is going to hit the lecture circuit and actually make money talking about "occupying forces"?

And when or where have I ever indicated otherwise?

Well, you seem to have the general attitude that those who don't like the government's actions should keep their mouths shut, though I admit I have never seen you threaten anyone who questions the government...

I don't like being told STFU, whether explicitly or implied. In your case, most of the time it is implied..."Anti-war protesters are unpatriotic and should just support Bush" etc.

That said, I don't mind debate if it avoids general, sweeping, nationalistic slogans such as the above.

(Note: the quote in the second paragraph is a paraphrase)

Well, do you know how many New Oreans civilians have died or been turned into refugees since the US military occupation of New Orleans?


i think the storm and the flood waters did that :rolleyes:



why cindy? you know what lets listen to her....take the army out and let chaos rain....yay CHAOS!!!! [sarcastic]

Well, you seem to have the general attitude that those who don't like the government's actions should keep their mouths shut, though I admit I have never seen you threaten anyone who questions the government...

I don't like being told STFU, whether explicitly or implied. In your case, most of the time it is implied..."Anti-war protesters are unpatriotic and should just support Bush" etc.

That said, I don't mind debate if it avoids general, sweeping, nationalistic slogans such as the above.

(Note: the quote in the second paragraph is a paraphrase)
"Paraphrase?" :eek:

I have the same identical right to voice my opinions as the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan. I also have a visceral aversion to "protestors," particularly self-styled "anti-war protestors," probably as a result of their idiocy and outright evilness during Vietnam. Put the two together and what you get is a Vietnam veteran who opposes most protestors as idiots, but without denying them any of their Constitionally guaranteed rights.

"Paraphrase?" :eek:

I have the same identical right to voice my opinions as the dishonorable Ms. Sheehan. I also have a visceral aversion to "protestors," particularly self-styled "anti-war protestors," probably as a result of their idiocy and outright evilness during Vietnam. Put the two together and what you get is a Vietnam veteran who opposes most protestors as idiots, but without denying them any of their Constitionally guaranteed rights.

Well, I tend to interpret your statements as "Protesters, STFU." I'm not denying your right to say them, but I retain my right to react to silly statements of patriotism. :D

Furthermore, I have never spit on a veteran, and I never will, unless God forbid I get attacked by one. So please don't lump me in with those whose anti-war activities involve physical misconduct.

i think the storm and the flood waters did that.

That and the mandatory evacuation.... remember?

Well, I tend to interpret your statements as "Protesters, STFU." I'm not denying your right to say them, but I retain my right to react to silly statements of patriotism. :D

Furthermore, I have never spit on a veteran, and I never will, unless God forbid I get attacked by one. So please don't lump me in with those whose anti-war activities involve physical misconduct.

Of course... if one too ajaunt to Vietnam, one could probably find many veterans who suffered far worse than being 'spat upon', by our own brave boys, no?

That and the mandatory evacuation.... remember?



of course....but if my options are leave to a safer cleaner place with food or stay in NO with no food,water and medical treatment,needless to say i would leave.

Well, I tend to interpret your statements as "Protesters, STFU." I'm not denying your right to say them, but I retain my right to react to silly statements of patriotism. :D

Furthermore, I have never spit on a veteran, and I never will, unless God forbid I get attacked by one. So please don't lump me in with those whose anti-war activities involve physical misconduct.
Ok.

of course....but if my options are leave to a safer cleaner place with food or stay in NO with no food,water and medical treatment,needless to say i would leave.

Which is irrelevent to the point I was making... when people start turning up at your door, telling you that the government is ordering you out, and 'we are being nice about it now, but later we'll come back and use force'...

Many people who wanted to remain in the city... may have even had enough supplies and resources, were 'moved' out.

And, of course, those who were helped by the 'occupying force', even if they DID leave because of lack of food, water, medicine, etc.... were made 'refugees' by the occupying force. Whehter the connotation be good or ill, 'refugees' are made when you send people seeking refuge, no?

Ok.

I'm glad we could come to some sort of agreement on the matter before I have to go. :)

Complaining? Oh my! But why? Who knows! Will we care? Not for long!

Which is irrelevent to the point I was making... when people start turning up at your door, telling you that the government is ordering you out, and 'we are being nice about it now, but later we'll come back and use force'...

Many people who wanted to remain in the city... may have even had enough supplies and resources, were 'moved' out.

And, of course, those who were helped by the 'occupying force', even if they DID leave because of lack of food, water, medicine, etc.... were made 'refugees' by the occupying force. Whehter the connotation be good or ill, 'refugees' are made when you send people seeking refuge, no?



yes you are right...i just ment from a different point of view then yours.

yes you are right...i just ment from a different point of view then yours.

Thank you for your agreement. My point was that different 'points of view' about what a 'refugee' is, or how one becomes one, are clouding this issue.

And, I am afraid that most of that clouding is being done deliberately by right-wing reactionaries and Sheehan-haters, just to build a strawman platform from which to attack.

I haven't missed the point at all, and I just love how you label the left as "misfits and losers". Anyways.....
You apparently can't read properly. He wrote "the misfits and losers of the left" not " all on the left are misfits and losers" We have people like Freddie boy, and you have people like Crazy Sheehan. Get over yourself already.

You apparently can't read properly. He wrote "the misfits and losers of the left" not " all on the left are misfits and losers" We have people like Freddie boy, and you have people like Crazy Sheehan. Get over yourself already.
I know exactly what Eut said and after being on these boards for as long as I have, I have a fairly good idea where Eut is coming from when anybody discusses opposition to anything military.

As far as me "getting over" myself, have you looked in a mirror lately?

Where do you get the idea that Cindy is "crazy"? Is it because her ideology doesn't match yours? Maybe it is because you abhor her right to freedom of speech?

She is against the war in Iraq and according to the polls, she is not alone.

Also, and I think this is significant, Bush's popularity declined during the Sheehan's encampment of Crawford?

So much ad-hominem and so little discussion :rolleyes:

Apart from Vetalia who spoke vaguely about US law and emergency response, nobody has discussed the issue. You only called Mrs. Sheenan "crazy", "nut" and other disparaging remarks.

You should all be ashamed of yourself.
She is nuts. What else can we say? SHE'S NUTS!

Stuff like this make me suspect she and Dubya are alternating hits off the same damned crack pipe.

This link doesn't work. :(A puppetSta link is not good?

Why I am not surprised... :D

Antre_Travarious']I am leaving the party.asta la vista :D

I can certainly see why Sheehan is protesting so much, but there are so many other things she could do and focus her energy. I didn't hear that she had called for military troops to be taken out of NO, but hey at least its safer there than Iraq.

...but there are so many other things she could do and focus her energy.but there are so many other things WE could do and focus our energy.

We could be go to the Disaster area and directly help people over there...
We could speak up against policy we find horribly wrong...

or...We could speak up (keyboard speak) aganist Sheehan...in Blogs and Chats hiding behind our computers...We could key-up against Sheehan...who is actually making things happen.

but there are so many other things WE could do and focus our energy.

We could be go to the Disaster area and directly help people over there...
We could speak up against policy we find horribly wrong...

or...We could speak up (keyboard speak) aganist Sheehan...in Blogs and Chats hiding behind our computers...We could key-up against Sheehan...who is actually making things happen.
I did my best to volunteer for NO via the ARC, all to no avail. I don't have any money to spare just now, so that's not an option. What do you suggest I do? ( Do NOT suggest that I protest the war in Iraq, you'll simply be wasting good pixels. ) :D

I agree that Sheehan is nuts - but I don't mean that in quite the disparaging way it sounds. The woman is hysterical and irrational from GRIEF and believe it or not, that reaction is fairly common among parents who lose children. I don't agree with the woman but I do have a great deal of compassion for her.

As far as the NO situation goes - people are being removed because it is unsafe for them to stay AND because their presence there is hindering the cleanup effort. The water supply has been completely contaminated with toxic materials and the chemicals they need to use to clean it up are also toxic (although only temporarily as I understand it). Of course it is sad to see people being forced to leave their lifetime homes, but we do need to look out for the greater good.

I did my best to volunteer for NO via the ARC, all to no avail. I don't have any money to spare just now, so that's not an option. What do you suggest I do? ( Do NOT suggest that I protest the war in Iraq, you'll simply be wasting good pixels. ) :Dpeople should stop suggesting that
"there are so many other things she(or any1) could do and focus her energy".

People has different priorities...and they can choose to focus their energy anyway they like.(to the left or to the rite)

Anyway you look at it...Sheehan is focusing much more energy than most of us...and she is acomplishing much more than us...

I know exactly what Eut said and after being on these boards for as long as I have, I have a fairly good idea where Eut is coming from when anybody discusses opposition to anything military.

Can no like military. Military bad bad in head of Can. Always bad them is.
Never no good use ever!

Eut say good things for military. Some good uses. Some bad uses.


As far as me "getting over" myself, have you looked in a mirror lately?

Can am "Spam" and "Pig". Me not like spam, too much greasy. Me not like pig.
Too smelly.


Where do you get the idea that Cindy is "crazy"? Is it because her ideology doesn't match yours? Maybe it is because you abhor her right to freedom of speech?

She not crazy! She looney. Looney is different. Looney is acting like sock-
puppet. Who hand up her tube-sock hole?


She is against the war in Iraq and according to the polls, she is not alone.

Nobody like war. War suck. But who want come back before done? We done
now? I am think not.


Also, and I think this is significant, Bush's popularity declined during the Sheehan's encampment of Crawford?

Bush care for "popularity"..!? Don't think so. Can and people like that gotta be
liked so much! Bush there for do job. If his people not still liked when voting
time again, they go away. Glad to see Can likes keep eye on enemies,
though. Obsessed and compulsive Can and his people easier to manipulate
and keep track of. Go Can, Go..!!