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What a wonderfull ally the US has in Pakistan! Not only do they generously share their nuclear technology with the world, but now they also have discovered why women go and get themselves raped. It seems the dirty sluts go out and lead men on in order to get raped so they can get a visa to come to the USA.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7242_1491844,001800080000.htm

How do people still think this way in the 21st century?

I've actually heard some conservatives here in the West talk about how women are partially to blame for getting raped, so this does not surprised me.

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said that women in Pakistan get themselves raped for getting a visa to Canada and becoming a millionaire.

They get themselves raped? They actively go out and seek someone to rape them?

If that were really the case (and it's obviously not), it wouldn't actually be rape, would it? Because she would be consenting to the sexual act.

Well look at her Your Honor! The clothes she's wearing, she must be asking for it!

Free love is better than free nuke tech going around still.

Pakistan is a wonderul ally of the US, wonderfully convenient. They were a good place to stage the invasion from Afghanistan from when the US needed it, and supported the rest of the US's war on terror. In return the paraiah status that they'd had since Musharraf took over in a military coup some years back.

This is obviously a false and misogynistic claim by Musharraf, but its hardly unexpected, especially in a country like Pakistan that suffers attitudes like this that lead to ritual rape of women in penace for the 'misdeeds' of their relatives.

On another note what does it being the 21st century have anything to do with it. Its not a magic date at which progressive in social values suddenly becomes the standard for the whole word. For one is just a date based on what some monks mistakenly thought was the year of the birth a who is now known to the world as Jesus and thus isn't the year that non christian countries believe it to be. Secondly the western nations went through centuries of slow progress to arrive at the point we did in relation to thinking like Musharraf's. Hopefully they'll move away from thinking like this sooner rather than later but it has nothing to do with what century it is.

Better watch it, Drunk Commies--someone will accuse you of hating America because you're undermining our allies in the war on terra.

Exacly how does it make them a millionare?

Better watch it, Drunk Commies--someone will accuse you of hating America because you're undermining our allies in the war on terra.
More likely Tactical Grace will accuse me of racism against Pakistanis. He's done it before on similar threads.

Exacly how does it make them a millionare?
I'm not sure. You'll have to ask Pervez.

I think it's to do with the "Mukhtar Mai" issue.

http://www.mukhtarmai.com/

(I can't visit though, bandwidth overload)

I never heard of it to be honest.

Maybe If we read into the story more, we'll get a better detailed story about it and why Musharraf said that, or either he's another looney bin.

I think it's to do with the "Mukhtar Mai" issue.

http://www.mukhtarmai.com/

(I can't visit though, bandwidth overload)

I never heard of it to be honest.

Maybe If we read into the story more, we'll get a better detailed story about it and why Musharraf said that, or either he's another looney bin.
It's pretty simple why he said it--he's beholden to the extremists in his country (sound familiar?) who will topple him if he tries to come down on them.

This angers me, but fails to surprise me. Pakistan veers between "slightly improving" and "fecked-up cesspit".

Is a woman who was "sentenced" to rape by the elders in a village for something her brother did. She was gang-raped and denounced her rapists to the authorities. Of course, that only got people madder at her and, as you see, the Pakistani government doesn't really care much about retributions against her, and that's why she claimed refuge in Canada.

Musharraff is a bigoted dictator, but what dictator is not?

Musharraff recently said the UK needed to "Get it's house in order" and sort out Islamic extremists here.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I don't think anyone should take advice from a dictator.

I'm of the suspicion that Bin Laden is in, or spends large amounts of time, in Pakistan.

I'm also of the suspicion that Musharraff knows where Bin Laden is but dares not touch him because of the uproar there would be amongst Bin Laden sympathisers in Pakistan, or Bin Laden might pay him off.

Musharraf is wobbly upon his throne, and knows he can't do things that upset Islamic militants, nationalists, and his own military too much, he knows he can be taken out, that's why takes a pistol with him everywhere.

He does'nt even trust his own advisors and military, let alone the Islamic militants.

And as Boris 'The Drunk' Yeltsin said, "anyone can make a throne of thorns, but you can't sit on it for long."

Exacly how does it make them a millionare?

It is Musharraf's contention that these women who asked for and then got themselves raped so that they can apply for asylums in the west, make money out of the detractors of Pakistan and spoil the good image of Pakistan and make money in the process and become millionaires.

Pakistan is a nation that survives on mass paranoia. Without it, it will fall apart.

Latest on this..from Yahoo news

Musharraf, according to media reports, told a news conference in New York on Thursday that he had been expressing a commonly held opinion rather than his own.

Trying to weasel out...

Exacly how does it make them a millionare?
Stop trying to use that silly "logic". This is Pakistan we're talking about here.

What a wonderfull ally the US has in Pakistan! Not only do they generously share their nuclear technology with the world, but now they also have discovered why women go and get themselves raped. It seems the dirty sluts go out and lead men on in order to get raped so they can get a visa to come to the USA.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7242_1491844,001800080000.htm

How do people still think this way in the 21st century?There's people who think like that everywhere. Right now, there's a trial going on in Berlin where three kurdish brothers are accused of murdering their sister for leaving the husband she was forced to marry.

What a wonderfull ally the US has in Pakistan! Not only do they generously share their nuclear technology with the world, but now they also have discovered why women go and get themselves raped. It seems the dirty sluts go out and lead men on in order to get raped so they can get a visa to come to the USA.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7242_1491844,001800080000.htm

How do people still think this way in the 21st century?
You know, I'm starting to think it wouldn't be a shame if India nuked the hell out of these guys.

I've actually heard some conservatives here in the West talk about how women are partially to blame for getting raped, so this does not surprised me.

You mean Judge Pickles?

You know, I'm starting to think it wouldn't be a shame if India nuked the hell out of these guys.So you don't care about Indians, Afghans, Iranians, or anyone else in the near vicinity of Pakistan? And why do you dislike Musharaf now that he said this? Wasn't him being a dictator bad enough already, or do you need to let off some comment before you're bad?

You know, I'm starting to think it wouldn't be a shame if India nuked the hell out of these guys.

Hi, Dakini.
Some of my family live in Pakistan, this may surprise you but some of them are not sexist middle-age revivalists like our good pal Mushuraff. In fact they're more liberal than the rest of my family who live in the UK.
Please don't enourage India to nuke my cousins, kthnxbi.

This cracks my top 10 for most politically incorrect statement ever.

This cracks my top 10 for most politically incorrect statement ever.You know what the sad thing is? Vast portions of the population probably agree with him (which is probably why he said that, to keep them a bit pacified).

Not to excuse the ignorance of Musharraf's statement, but people should be aware before they denounce him as a dictator that the reason why he became a dictator was to prevent the democratically elected civilian administration that he served as general under from going to war with India, a decision that would have almost unquestionably led to a nuclear exchange. In short, Musharraf is the reason we talk about the suicide bombers of the WTC as the greatest event in our times rather than the glassing of Calcutta and Dehli.

You know what the sad thing is? Vast portions of the population probably agree with him (which is probably why he said that, to keep them a bit pacified).

You DID notice that it wasn't the most politically incorrect thing I've ever heard. It's in the top ten.

You DID notice that it wasn't the most politically incorrect thing I've ever heard. It's in the top ten.I also meant the population of Pakistan...

I also meant the population of Pakistan...

Yeah I caught that.

It's pretty simple why he said it--he's beholden to the extremists in his country (sound familiar?) who will topple him if he tries to come down on them.
Actually, by Pakistani standards, Musharraf is religiously moderate, almost secular even. However his control on sectarian violence is unfortunately loosening.

You know, I'm starting to think it wouldn't be a shame if India nuked the hell out of these guys.
Let me guess, this comment offends you more than the support for terrorism and sectarian violence that is rife in Pakistan?

he became a dictator was to prevent the democratically elected civilian administration that he served as general under from going to war with India, a decision that would have almost unquestionably led to a nuclear exchange. In short, Musharraf is the reason we talk about the suicide bombers of the WTC as the greatest event in our times rather than the glassing of Calcutta and Dehli.

No.

He was the architect behind the Kargil intrusion/invasion which led to the Kargil war between India and Pak.

Nawaz Shariff, the elected PM, was not fully aware of the extent of the infiltration. He was duly deposed when he was on the verge of disposing Musharraf for going behind his back.

So, saying Musharraf prevented a war which could have gone nuclear is a naive and uninformed view.

Swimmingpool
Actually, by Pakistani standards, Musharraf is religiously moderate, almost secular even. However his control on sectarian violence is unfortunately loosening.

See above. The same "secular" Musharraf did not have any qualms in using the jihadis (so-called Mujahideen) for the Kargil intrusion. The same Musharraf did not have any problems in using sunni militia (+ Arab wahabis militias lent by Osama himself allegedly) against Shias in the Gilgit riots in the early 80s.

Musharraf = opportunist whose only goal is to remain in power. He will don several hats for that goal. I would rather have a honest islamist in power than a duplicitious "secular" Musharraf.

Listen to the Urdu speech (not the sanitized English one) he gave to his nation following his decision to abandon the taliban and support US. He likened his decision to the Hudaibiya treaty of Muhammed. Look up that treaty and you will understand.

Better watch it, Drunk Commies--someone will accuse you of hating America because you're undermining our allies in the war on terra.
:confused: We're at war with the Earth, no wonder everyone thinks we're crazzy ;)