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Why the hate. I know there are a handful of atheists who don't try to convert theists and viceversa, but quite a few of you are extremely hostile to one-another. Some atheists here mock specificly Christians(ACLU couldn't care less. They're busy pampering minorities with ideas that everyone else owes them something no matter what) with references to the Churches of old, the holocaust, the rejection of theories in the past(what part of theory don't you understand? It's called theory and not law for a reason), and the general "magic man" insult. The minority among the theists mock atheists with talks of hell, sinning based off of godlessness, and depression. They fight those who are different. So, why the hate?

The atheists are still kind of pissed that we theists killed Socraties :p

Because both sides are a bunch of asshats. However since my side is in the right I guess I have to support them.

Actually scratch that, you don't convert through threats.

ideological conflict

So, why the hate?

Because theists are immoral and do not know the difference between right and wrong.

What - I just said it before a theist said the opposite :P

It's very simple, we shouldn't. People should be allowed to believe or not believe in anything they like, especially when it's based on faith and not facts. As is the case with this issue.

The only time I ever have any problem with religion is when they either try to claim higher moral ground over atheists or if they try to push their dogma into politics in any way shape or form.

I'll believe what I like, you believe what you like and we'll all be happy. Keep god out of government and we'll all get along fine.

That's my $0.02.

Keep God out of government? Good luck, when one of the Houses of the USA beings each session with a prayer lead by a preacher paid by the government . . . :)

I agree - we shouldn't. I try not to. As I said to someone who said "You and this new chap coming to work here (side note: he's from India and thus was assumed not to be Christian) aren't gonna have some sort of holy war are you?"

"Hell, no," says I, "He can believe whatever garbage he likes!"

Having said that, some of the best theological debates I have had have been with Moslems and Jews . . . most Christians simply can't hack it. Sad, really.

(Given that we are right . . . )

Keep God out of government? Good luck, when one of the Houses of the USA beings each session with a prayer lead by a preacher paid by the government . . . :)

This is why I thank my lucky stars everyday that I am a Canadian. The USA is really unique in this. The majority of the free world do not mix politics and religion. Thankfully.

Used to be, the athiests were the biggest pains in the ass. Now *everybody* has to be so damned right all the time, and it's such a major frickin' crime if anybody on the planet doesn't agree with them. Just making themselves the center of attention. Childish.

The majority of the free world do not mix politics and religion. Thankfully.

Sorry, but it does. Most of the European countries have Christian parties in their government for instance.
Then again, their Christianity seems to be more "tame" than the American counterpart. More about the "be nice to your fellow men" than the "gays are filth".

This is why I thank my lucky stars everyday that I am a Canadian. The USA is really unique in this. The majority of the free world do not mix politics and religion. Thankfully.

Except, oh, the UK and all the crown's dominions, the west's one and only official theocracy? Having government-sponsored prayre pales in comparison to the Anglican church holding as much power as the House of Commons and the official head of state being the head of the nationally-established religion.

Is the US's sponsorship of christainity unfortunate? Most certainly. Unique? Hardly.

It's hard for us Christians to keep the truth to ourselves and let everyone else give up their lives by doing whatever they want and having to pay for it in the end...

Yes, I know it is wrong to try to push your religion on people, because they think that their beliefs are just as correct as your own, otherwise they wouldn't hold their beliefs. It's just hard when the existence of God is so terribly obvious (or at least it is terribly obvious that a certain theory that tries to explain life through 'science' is hardly an explanation for it all).

We fight because the other always starts it. .001% of theists demand that atheists should believe in God, thus the atheists get pissed off and take it out on all theists. 100% of atheists say that theists are stupid for believing in something they cannot prove, thus the theists get pissed off and take it out on all atheists.

Except, oh, the UK and all the crown's dominions, the west's one and only official theocracy? Having government-sponsored prayre pales in comparison to the Anglican church holding as much power as the House of Commons and the official head of state being the head of the nationally-established religion.

Is the US's sponsorship of christainity unfortunate? Most certainly. Unique? Hardly.
In theory, only.

Rather like the US is secular in theory.

Same reason we like football.

100% of atheists say that theists are stupid for believing in something they cannot prove, thus the theists get pissed off and take it out on all atheists.
I don't. You are wrong.

Although I can fall into the trap of arguing with atheists, I think it would be better for both sides if we didn't argue so much, so then we would at least respect each other a little more and give each others' beliefs a chance, or at least consider them. And this is coming from a conservative! :eek:

I don't. You are wrong.

Stop saying I'm wrong because i believe in God, you are soooo prejudiced.

See, I'm right!!! At least in the eyes of atheist logic that believes all Christians are out to get them.

Because both sides are a bunch of asshats. However since my side is in the right I guess I have to support them. LOL I might well put that in my signature!

Actually, it's true. :(
When will people realise that "evangelise" does not mean attack and vilify, but rather to show the inner light of Christ and lead by example, just like Jesus did? :( cry with me.

Atheists are often just as bad. I'm currently getting half-logical leaps of logic thrown at me via email. It's mildly unsettling.

Stop saying I'm wrong because i believe in God, you are soooo prejudiced.

See, I'm right!!! At least in the eyes of atheist logic that believes all Christians are out to get them.
You're lucky I know you're being sarcastic.

We fight because the other always starts it. .001% of theists demand that atheists should believe in God, thus the atheists get pissed off and take it out on all theists. 100% of atheists say that theists are stupid for believing in something they cannot prove, thus the theists get pissed off and take it out on all atheists.

it sounds like you support the theists.the way i see it the conflict is only between the ones that think their belief/absence thereof is right and should be how everyone thinks.the smart ones accept the point of view of the other side,while disaggreeing with it.its the idiots that create the reputation of one side hating the other.

as for your statistics:100% of theists believe everyone should follow their religion.

Atheists are often just as bad. I'm currently getting half-logical leaps of logic thrown at me via email. It's mildly unsettling.
I hate that crap. I once had a guy emailing me daily his arguments for why god must exist. I replied to each, and since they were pretty weak arguments, frustrated the hell out of him. Finally he resorted to spamming my inbox with random ranting and bible verses. Both sides can be really annoying sometimes. I like to think that I've cooled off some over time.

You're lucky I know you're being sarcastic.

I'm most always sarcastic on these forums, because most people would be pointless to actually debate with. I don't do debating with walls.

Always remember that one.

There are people out there e-mailing you for why God must exist? And I thought I was bad...

it sounds like you support the theists.the way i see it the conflict is only between the ones that think their belief/absence thereof is right and should be how everyone thinks.the smart ones accept the point of view of the other side,while disaggreeing with it.its the idiots that create the reputation of one side hating the other.

as for your statistics:100% of theists believe everyone should follow their religion.

in response to the earlier response.

I don't!!! see you're wrong. And stop trying to use your wicked atheist reverse-logic on me to get me to try to not force you into my religion by telling me that all people do when I don't.

I don't do debating with walls

nice.one for the siggy

in response to the earlier response.

I don't!!! see you're wrong. And stop trying to use your wicked atheist reverse-logic on me to get me to try to not force you into my religion by telling me that all people do when I don't.

mwahaha,my atheist logic pwnzorz your beliefs.what manner of theist are you if you dont even think your religion is the right one.cos if you thought it was the right one you'd surely think other should join and be saved like you will be.

nice.one for the siggy

You like the poetic alliteration flair?

mwahaha,my atheist logic pwnzorz your beliefs.what manner of theist are you if you dont even think your religion is the right one.cos if you thought it was the right one you'd surely think other should join and be saved like you will be.

No, i just don't want heaven getting crowded. I've been appointed to population control. Plus, half the people I've met in life, I wouldn't want to spend eternity with anyways.

I hate that crap. I once had a guy emailing me daily his arguments for why god must exist. I replied to each, and since they were pretty weak arguments, frustrated the hell out of him. Finally he resorted to spamming my inbox with random ranting and bible verses. Both sides can be really annoying sometimes. I like to think that I've cooled off some over time. Well it's not as if I discourage it. I associate with argumentative people, and it suits me down to the ground. Debate sharpens the mind.

Same reason we like football.

Dude I never knew hot cheerleaders were involved in the atheist/theist debate, sweet.

No, i just don't want heaven getting crowded. I've been appointed to population control. Plus, half the people I've met in life, I wouldn't want to spend eternity with anyways.

nice reasoning.very logicalmwahahaha,look how i tricked you into thinking logicallyoh ya loved the alliteration.

. So, why the hate?

I don't hate anyone. :fluffle:

Ok everyone, (a)theists all hold hands and give one big FLUFFLE!!!

:fluffle:

Ok everyone, (a)theists all hold hands and give one big FLUFFLE!!!

:fluffle:

:fluffle:

I try not to argue these days, but some Theists are complete morons who need a good and sound thrashing on the debate battlegrounds.

I could say the same about atheists...

Ok everyone, (a)theists all hold hands and give one big FLUFFLE!!!

:fluffle: I'm sorry. Against my religion.
See? We're doomed to conflict until the end of times.

I could say the same about atheists...

Why don't you then? And where is your fluffle?

I'm sorry. Against my religion.
See? We're doomed to conflict until the end of times.

We now know which religion is causing the problem

I'll fluffle you anyways :fluffle: cause that's what my religion teaches.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

Um...fluffle?

We now know which religion is causing the problem

I'll fluffle you anyways :fluffle: cause that's what my religion teaches.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

ah yes,the wise words of wayne and garth

its waynes world,its wayne world,party time,excellent

I hope you didn't think mine came from Wayne's World because it was so from Bill & Ted.

It's hard for us Christians to keep the truth to ourselves and let everyone else give up their lives by doing whatever they want and having to pay for it in the end...

Yes, I know it is wrong to try to push your religion on people, because they think that their beliefs are just as correct as your own, otherwise they wouldn't hold their beliefs. It's just hard when the existence of God is so terribly obvious (or at least it is terribly obvious that a certain theory that tries to explain life through 'science' is hardly an explanation for it all).

I dare you and I dare your God to disprove Evolution. Failure to do this will result in admittance that creationism is bull.

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.

We now know which religion is causing the problem

I'll fluffle you anyways :fluffle: cause that's what my religion teaches.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER What is your religion?

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong. This is where Deism comes into play.

I hope you didn't think mine came from Wayne's World because it was so from Bill & Ted.

ah god damn it,god damn it to hell!

I dare you and I dare your God to disprove Evolution. Failure to do this will result in admittance that creationism is bull.

now now,this thread should be about fostering love and acceptance between theist and atheist.

now now,this thread should be about fostering love and acceptance between theist and atheist. There will never be love nor acceptance. There will always be disagreements, leading to conflicts, and the stars will be stained red with the blood of man, as Jerusalem was stained with the blood of man so long ago. There is only war.

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.

Congratulations...you've forced me to make my first post ever on this forum. Tell me, when was evolution ever spontaneous generation?

Creationism :sniper:

If you want my source of conflict it's because there are a bunch of irritating theists out there who continually criticize what I do simply because some twerp said it was wrong, even though it hurts noone and nothing if I can possibly help it while they run around using child-labour, beating people and trying to get anything that's not in their little tunnel-vision of what's acceptable hung like ornaments on a Christmas Tree.


But to all those who accept what I do and don't make a big deal of it...or even participate, :fluffle: You deserve it for being such a great sport.

Why the hate. I know there are a handful of atheists who don't try to convert theists and viceversa, but quite a few of you are extremely hostile to one-another. Some atheists here mock specificly Christians(ACLU couldn't care less. They're busy pampering minorities with ideas that everyone else owes them something no matter what) with references to the Churches of old, the holocaust, the rejection of theories in the past(what part of theory don't you understand? It's called theory and not law for a reason), and the general "magic man" insult. The minority among the theists mock atheists with talks of hell, sinning based off of godlessness, and depression. They fight those who are different. So, why the hate?

People who are insecure in their own beliefs will always try to attack the beliefs of others. They will always try to make any other belief system (or even the lack of a belief system, in the case of agnostics or implicit atheists) look silly, because it makes them feel better about their own ideas. It doesn't matter that none of us can prove anything about any of this to another person. It only matters that they can keep saying they have the TRUTH.

Many wars have been fought because of the same insecurities. People needed "proof" that God was on their side, so they went and tried to kill the other side. (Note: The people at the top may or may not have had religion in mind, probably not, but the insecure peons that were fighting thought they were fighting for religion).

Why the hate. I know there are a handful of atheists who don't try to convert theists and viceversa, but quite a few of you are extremely hostile to one-another. Some atheists here mock specificly Christians(ACLU couldn't care less. They're busy pampering minorities with ideas that everyone else owes them something no matter what) with references to the Churches of old, the holocaust, the rejection of theories in the past(what part of theory don't you understand? It's called theory and not law for a reason), and the general "magic man" insult. The minority among the theists mock atheists with talks of hell, sinning based off of godlessness, and depression. They fight those who are different. So, why the hate?

I'm far too busy trying to persuade people to support Socialism to try and convert (de-convert?) anyone. Peace friends.

We can get along. I have an atheist friend and we get along fine.

We can get along. I have an atheist friend and we get along fine.

I've got you beat. I'm practically married to one. =)

I've got you beat. I'm practically married to one. =)

I can't say that I'd yoke myself with someone of differing beliefs--especially drastic differences--, but I think it's good that you're able to get along well enough to be so close.

:fluffle: for you and your significant other.

why the fighting and the hate? It's the same with anything else, some of it is intolerance for having a different point of view than the other. Some of the fighting comes as retaliation for hate spewed at them from the opposing sides.

I think it will be many many years until such things are scarce.

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.
1. Spontaneous generation is not the same thing as abiogenesis.
2. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.

Got proof that its proven wrong?

100% true fact: 87.6666666665666666666663666666660666666666616666666666116776666666666666666666666666666666666666666 666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666673 percent of statistics are made up on the spot. An additional 52% are made up previous to an argument.

I dont try to convert religious maniacs to reason, just disarm them and keep important things safe from their onslaught.

One doesnt convert barbarians, one defends against them.

I can't say that I'd yoke myself with someone of differing beliefs--especially drastic differences--, but I think it's good that you're able to get along well enough to be so close.

:fluffle: for you and your significant other.

It isn't as hard as it might sound. We can both respect each other's views. Sure, I do hope for him that he eventually "finds" God, as it were. I'm sure he hopes I "come to my senses" and stop believing, but we can both treat each other with respect. We both can see the rational behind the others' position and, in fact, some of my best religious discussions have been with him. He's helped me learn quite a bit about myself and my faith, and I hope I've done the same for him.

For me, love doesn't come out of mutal beliefs. It comes out of, well, love.

Note: I'm not arguing with/attacking you. I fully understand that many people could not be with someone who had vastly different beliefs from them. Some feel that they cannot even associate with such a person. I simply don't feel that way.

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.

How about "we don't know" ? Maybe Genesis is the literal truth. Maybe the Greco-Romanic creation story featuring Kaos is accurate. Maybe the noodly appendage of the spaghetti monsterism waved in a certain way. Maybe some creature sneezed, and we are just living in his filthy hanky, which he left behind in disgust.

All these hypotheses are equally (un)likely. And I can effortlessly think up a few 100 more. But atheists ask for a little something called "proof".

I try not to unless someone makes a disparaging remark about Christianity or Christian government. :D Then it's no holds barred :mad:

Okay, we'll start with this one: How did we all get here? How did it all begin? Certainly not through spontaneous generation as some atheists say, because we've already proved that wrong.


I'm going to take this conversation to its conclusion so as to avoid much more reading: Origination within 9+ dimensions not empirically observable, nobody can prove herself scientifically correct as she cannot go beyond speculation and you both flame each other a bit.

I've got you beat. I'm practically married to one. =)



Waaaaait....your fiance is atheist? Mine is agnostic-leaning-atheist :eek:

And yet somehow....we haven't killed each other yet :confused:

1. Spontaneous generation is not the same thing as abiogenesis.
2. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.


1. Actually, these days it does refer to abiogenesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation

I dont try to convert religious maniacs to reason, just disarm them and keep important things safe from their onslaught.

One doesnt convert barbarians, one defends against them.



Since this is a thread about love, I'll not report that to moderation ;)

1. Actually, these days it does refer to abiogenesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation

These days? LOL. The hypothesis has been around for quite some time and it hasn't much to do with evolution either.

Why the hate between theists and atheists? Because each one is so frustrated with the other for willfully rejecting what is obviously the truth. Of course, the ones doing the hating are generally the more zealous and firm believers, so those statements don't encompass all theists or atheists. There are people, no matter their beliefs, that are fine with others who disagree with their ideas. Although, they're not the ones causing a ruckus and making headlines, so they might seem nonexistant to some, but they're there.

These days? LOL. The hypothesis has been around for quite some time and it hasn't much to do with evolution either.


Not exactly, you see...back in the days of yore, it refered to abiogenesis but in different sense: life arising from defiled matter. Not just any matter...yucky stuff. Anyways, it skipped the whole molecular/amino/cellular phase thing and instantly became a complex organism (well...amino acids and cells are complex as well....but you get the drift). Meat >> Maggot.

Not exactly, you see...back in the days of yore, it refered to abiogenesis but in different sense: life arising from defiled matter. Not just any matter...yucky stuff. Anyways, it skipped the whole molecular/amino/cellular phase thing and instantly became a complex organism (well...amino acids and cells are complex as well....but you get the drift). Meat >> Maggot.

I am not aware of any part of evolution theory which claims life originates from rotten meat or 'yucky stuff'. Anyhoo it's really rather pointless to discuss the origin of life because life is not tangible nor defined solidly enough to say ever when it begins, or even ends. ;) It is the result of a chemical process and the elements common in 'life' originated with the development of the universe.

I am not aware of any part of evolution theory which claims life originates from rotten meat or 'yucky stuff'. Anyhoo it's really rather pointless to discuss the origin of life because life is not tangible nor defined solidly enough to say ever when it begins, or even ends. ;) It is the result of a chemical process and the elements common in 'life' originated with the development of the universe.


I never said there was a part that did claim so.

there are two kinds of people in the world: those who don't make sense,

It isn't as hard as it might sound. We can both respect each other's views. Sure, I do hope for him that he eventually "finds" God, as it were. I'm sure he hopes I "come to my senses" and stop believing, but we can both treat each other with respect. We both can see the rational behind the others' position and, in fact, some of my best religious discussions have been with him. He's helped me learn quite a bit about myself and my faith, and I hope I've done the same for him.

For me, love doesn't come out of mutal beliefs. It comes out of, well, love.

Note: I'm not arguing with/attacking you. I fully understand that many people could not be with someone who had vastly different beliefs from them. Some feel that they cannot even associate with such a person. I simply don't feel that way.

No attack on my radar. ;)

But yeah, I associate with may who are of differing beliefs. I have two homosexual friends, one transgender, several atheists, and plenty of pagans (Wiccans, new-agers, etc.). I respect their views and they respect mine. However, I don't know if it would be wise (for me, mind) to get into a serious relationship with someone who won't be able to edify me spiritually, or someone who I can't edify myself. I've grown up in a "be equally yoked" home, and that kinda stuck.

I wouldn't however, downplay others who don't feel the same way. I think if you two are capable of edifying each other, then all power to you two.

Here, have 'nother fluffle :fluffle:

1. Actually, these days it does refer to abiogenesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation
So? It isn't the same as the spontaneous generation that was disproven.

I dont try to convert religious maniacs to reason, just disarm them and keep important things safe from their onslaught.

One doesnt convert barbarians, one defends against them. The word is "crusaders" not "barbarians". Barbarian implies we speak a weird language and strut around half-naked like heavy metallers.
Crusaders are nastier. Please, get it right.

The word is "crusaders" not "barbarians". Barbarian implies we speak a weird language and strut around half-naked like heavy metallers.
Crusaders are nastier. Please, get it right.


The best analogy is to barbarians, I think.

Religious maniacs' goal is to tear down the niceties of civilization and the Enlightenment.

Trying to outlaw research, abortion, science, education, freedom of conscience &c. is no different than trying to tear down the walls of rome and sack it.

These people are the moral descendents of the visigoths and vandals.

The understanding a religious maniac has of the world is truly savage compared to that of an educated and reasonable person.

Lets see, why as an Atheist do I fight the Theists? Hmmmmmm...

Because the future of humanity is at stake!

Ughhh, after some recent threads I feel like becoming a theist again.

O well, when worse comes to worse we will agree, or perish.
I wouldn't mind serving a non-existent God if it was for a good cause.

Out of interest, does anyone know if women are more likely to be religous than men or vice versa? I only ask because the two Christians on this thread who are engaged to atheists are both women. Also, three of my female friends (one of whome is an ex-girlfriend for background interest) are religous but none of my male friends are. Is this usual or just coincidence?

Out of interest, does anyone know if women are more likely to be religous than men or vice versa? I only ask because the two Christians on this thread who are engaged to atheists are both women. Also, three of my female friends (one of whome is an ex-girlfriend for background interest) are religous but none of my male friends are. Is this usual or just coincidence? I think I read somewhere that 60% of Catholics were women… if that trend is true for religion in general, you'd be right.
Not sure why. I came up with a really weird reason for it a while ago, but I've forgotten it now. :(

The best analogy is to barbarians, I think.

Religious maniacs' goal is to tear down the niceties of civilization and the Enlightenment.

Trying to outlaw research, abortion, science, education, freedom of conscience &c. is no different than trying to tear down the walls of rome and sack it.

These people are the moral descendents of the visigoths and vandals.

The understanding a religious maniac has of the world is truly savage compared to that of an educated and reasonable person. Wow wow wowee. I can't agree nor disagree with you, as I don't know your definition of "religious maniac".

The whole theist-atheist debate is part of an agnostic conspiracy to achieve world domination. But you didn't hear that from me.

I think I read somewhere that 60% of Catholics were women… if that trend is true for religion in general, you'd be right.
Not sure why. I came up with a really weird reason for it a while ago, but I've forgotten it now. :(


Interesting. I'll try googling it and see what happens.

Interesting. I'll try googling it and see what happens. Good luck. You'll probably get OMG TEH EV1L W0MEN OPPR3SS1NG-Z0RZ!
Of course, you could always be like me, and look up provocative things like "catholic sexism". I find the whole "religions are sexist" thing sort of flies in the face of the amount of women in religions.

What did you find?

It's because the Anti-Christ would come from a Atheists! Thats why! :D

We fight because the other always starts it. .001% of theists demand that atheists should believe in God, thus the atheists get pissed off and take it out on all theists. 100% of atheists say that theists are stupid for believing in something they cannot prove, thus the theists get pissed off and take it out on all atheists.
I'd like to see where you got your statistics...?

From personal experience, most Atheists get drawn into these debates in the first place, because they get fed up with being told that Atheists are 'godless heathens' who are 'going to burn in hell' for their 'devil-worshipping ways'.

That, or the fact that Christians seem to think it is okay to tailor the laws of the land to suit their personal prejudices, and get bent all out of shape when religious groups do the same things elsewhere.

Or the fact that Christian prejudice is allowed to limit how I live my life... why can't I buy alcohol on a Sunday? (I rarely drink, but it annoys me that Wal-Mart won't sell ME alcohol because SOMEONE ELSE believes in some big space spook).

It's because the Anti-Christ would come from a Atheists! Thats why! :D No, the Antichrist will be a trusted Christian who slowly alters and twists Christ's teachings.

Lets see, why as an Atheist do I fight the Theists? Hmmmmmm...

Because the future of humanity is at stake!

lol,oh please theists arent going to lead to the downfall of humanity any more than atheists are.

lol,oh please theists arent going to lead to the downfall of humanity any more than atheists are. If both groups are equally likely to destroy humanity, then we're screwed doubley and royally.

If both groups are equally likely to destroy humanity, then we're screwed doubley and royally.

well they are equally likely,but neither are very likey to destroy humanity.the point is theists arent going to destroy humanity so thats a crap reason to fight them

Good luck. You'll probably get OMG TEH EV1L W0MEN OPPR3SS1NG-Z0RZ!
Of course, you could always be like me, and look up provocative things like "catholic sexism". I find the whole "religions are sexist" thing sort of flies in the face of the amount of women in religions.

What did you find?

Very little :(

All the statistics on religion I could find were general things about the percentage of religions in certain countries and areas.

Now you mention it it does seem a bit strange for men to hold the most powerful stations in religion if women make up the majority of the believers. Of course the current head of the Church of England is a woman so it isn't universal.

If anyone anyone on the thread who goes to church/mosque/synagogue/gurdwara/temple etc. could give us some idea of the make up of the congeregation then I'd be very grateful. Thanks.

Now you mention it it does seem a bit strange for men to hold the most powerful stations in religion if women make up the majority of the believers. Of course the current head of the Church of England is a woman so it isn't universal. Uh… what? He has a beard! A big white one! He's not a woman!

Uh… what? He has a beard! A big white one! He's not a woman!

Ok, very clever. :p

Mind you the queen does look surprisingly masculine.....

Ok, very clever. :p

Mind you the queen does look surprisingly masculine..... Oh! I see! That's weird, actually, the CoE has two heads… I always thought its leadership style was rather acephalous.

ideological conflict

Very true. Although its a bit of an irony for some ideologist to hate(well the catholic ones) as hating is a sin and against God!

The atheists are still kind of pissed that we theists killed Socraties

HEE HEE :D

This is why I thank my lucky stars everyday that I am a Canadian. The USA is really unique in this. The majority of the free world do not mix politics and religion. Thankfully.

Actually, New Zealand is a very secular country but our parliament is opened with a prayer. I was very surprised when I first saw it, as you barely ever here people expressing religious beliefs overtly around here. We have a couple of Christian parties here but they are widely seen for the hypocrites they are and weren't even a ripple in our latest election despite them making a lot of noise.

Secularism is the best way. Despite what some religious people belive, secularism is not at all anti-religious, it merely recognises religious freedom. Religion should be personal; when you impose any religion on the population you attack the freedom of others to pratice their own beliefs.

No, the Antichrist will be a trusted Christian who slowly alters and twists Christ's teachings.


BUSH IS ANTI-CHRIST!

BUSH IS ANTI-CHRIST! Ahem. I said "trusted".

:eek: POPE IS ANTICHRIST!
Wait, that's been done before.

The new one might be, if I do say so myself. Not John Paul II though.







This coming from a Catholic.

The new one might be, if I do say so myself. Not John Paul II though.

This coming from a Catholic. You know, his views are the same as JP II's, he just hasn't got the charisma.

You know, his views are the same as JP II's, he just hasn't got the charisma.
In all honesty, I'm not old enough to know the bulk of JP II's exploits but I still think he was a good man. Besides, he was Polish, who doesn't like Polish people?


:Edit: Benedict is old and therefor probably a temporary Pope, yet even temporary presidents have made major changes in the United States before.

In all honesty, I'm not old enough to know the bulk of JP II's exploits but I still think he was a good man. Besides, he was Polish, who doesn't like Polish people? I like them, but I also like German people. They can be so funny sometimes, like the Italians but in a different way.
Though, there is no doctrinal difference between JP II and Benedetto, so he's not going to be a worse Pope, except that JP II was a natural leader.