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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9332076/page/2/

Seems to me the "but other polls are higher!" crowd is losing steam. Now all that's left are the "the polls are wrong" and the "polls are meaningless in the 2nd term, Bush can do whatever he wants!" crowds.

It's the same crowd.

Don't forget the "there's been a natural disaster, of course the people are going to blame the President" crowd. :)

He won't go much lower--he's about at the "could eat babies live on tv and I'd still support him" level.

He won't go much lower--he's about at the "could eat babies live on tv and I'd still support him" level.
Actually, at this point, that may be the only way to GAIN my support....

uh oh, it went up from last week's 38%

uh oh, it went up from last week's 38%
Different poll, I believe. The 38% was from the AP/Ipsos poll if I recall correctly.

Also note that this poll was conducted by both a republican and a democrat.

uh oh, it went up from last week's 38%

Ah, I hadn't accounted for the "but the other polls are lower!" option. :D

Different poll, I believe. The 38% was from the AP/Ipsos poll if I recall correctly.I know. I was hoping the "uh oh" would give it away

This will certainly hurt his re-election chances.

This will certainly hurt his re-election chances.
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Note: yes. I get it. :rolleyes:

This will certainly hurt his re-election chances.
I know you're being snarky, but while it will have little effect on him personally, I have hopes that he'll be a drag on the congressional elections in 2006, and that maybe, just maybe, the republican congresspeople will try to save their own asses and stop passing some of his stupid-ass legislation.

They're not high hopes, mind you--just hopes.

Nothing shocking really. Bush has been going downhill for the past few months.

No.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

I'm wondering about you dems... why do you harp on about polls anyways? At least get one with a working sample based on likely voters.

No.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

I'm wondering about you dems... why do you harp on about polls anyways? At least get one with a working sample based on likely voters.
You know, it was cute when you posted that in response to the first thread like this that showed Bush down in the low 40s and high 30s, but now there's been at least 4 that have him in this range. Face it--Rasmussen is the outlier now, and your precious Bush is in a world of shit.

Noice. The Republicans may just have to back up their shit and walk out of the White House in three and half years.

You know, it was cute when you posted that in response to the first thread like this that showed Bush down in the low 40s and high 30s, but now there's been at least 4 that have him in this range. Face it--Rasmussen is the outlier now, and your precious Bush is in a world of shit.

Most polls show he is in the mid-40s. Not high 30s. Those are the outliers. Furthermore, your argument isn't very well formulated. You harp on about these polls. My precious Bush? OH NICE ONE with the little character attack. Rasmussen was one of the only pollsters right about the 2004 election. In fact they were dead on. Maybe you should be posting polls of likely voters, not people who would sit on their butts when it comes to election day.

The only people in a world of shit is the democratic party. As far as I'm concerned, the democratic party is in disarray.

I heard,

that these levels are lower than even Nixon
at the height of Watergate.

?

-snip-
Oh never mind. Tell me again why I don't have you on ignore? It's not like you ever have anything new to say.

No.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

I'm wondering about you dems... why do you harp on about polls anyways? At least get one with a working sample based on likely voters.

Notice, by concentrating on the one with likely voters, you only care about the politics of this, not how the average person feels.

Also, note that Rasmussen also admits that polling likely voters should only make a difference of 2-3%.

Therefore, even taking that 2-3% into account, Rasmussen is a fairly extreme outlier.

Finally, I clearly remember the poster of the Rasmussen poll warning of the dangers of depending on just one poll...want me to dig it up?

I heard,

that these levels are lower than even Nixon
at the height of Watergate.

?
They are. There's even been a poll released that suggests he'd lose to Carter if an election were held today.

Oh never mind. Tell me again why I don't have you on ignore? It's not like you ever have anything new to say.

well if you can't understand how wrong it is to cite statistics with bad samplings... well.. then you should continue on. I'm wondering... how many of those beloved pollsters were right about the 2004 Elections? Even a Fox poll said that Bush was going to lose by what.. 7% if I remember right?

Gymoor, same goes to you. Again, Rasmussen is a very good pollster and the only one right about the 2004 election. so who am I to believe? Some polls that you people harp about? Some polls that are traditionally wrong?

You have to get your own personal satisfaction elsewhere. I mean it seems you get more of it from this then say from masturbation. It is quite.. uh... disturbing.

Bush couldn't have had these numbers back in November?

The only people in a world of shit is the democratic party. As far as I'm concerned, the democratic party is in disarray.

So what's it like being a willing whole-hearted mouthpiece for the party which openly caters to the religious nutjobs who'd like to put you in a camp?

What's sad is how Bush is given a blank check by the current population of the US for committing all sorts of hind-sighted retardation whereas a Democrat getting a blowjob in the Oval Office gets the Nuremburg treatment.

Bush couldn't have had these numbers back in November?

Actually many of these same polls said he did. Lower 40s. Well.. let me just say to you... statistics is a very easy thing to mess up.

So what's it like being a willing whole-hearted mouthpiece for the party which openly caters to the religious nutjobs who'd like to put you in a camp?

What's sad is how Bush is given a blank check by the current population of the US for committing all sorts of hind-sighted retardation whereas a Democrat getting a blowjob in the Oval Office gets the Nuremburg treatment.

Oh please. You really need to get over yourself and understand I'm not even registered as either party. I'm tired of this shit. If you guys cannot own up to the truth, then I will just leave this forum and go back to managing my nation. You guys misconstrue things about me and what I believe in. I'm losing my patience very quickly. You are nothing more then extremist partisans with an agenda, and you do not speak for the people.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9332076/page/2/

Seems to me the "but other polls are higher!" crowd is losing steam. Now all that's left are the "the polls are wrong" and the "polls are meaningless in the 2nd term, Bush can do whatever he wants!" crowds.

He better say "freedom" a few times on tv or he might have another close call in the next election!

Oh please. You really need to get over yourself and understand I'm not even registered as either party. I'm tired of this shit. If you guys cannot own up to the truth, then I will just leave this forum and go back to managing my nation. You guys misconstrue things about me and what I believe in. I'm losing my patience very quickly. You are nothing more then extremist partisans with an agenda, and you do not speak for the people.
I think I speak for a number of people when I say "Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out."

I think I speak for a number of people when I say "Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out."

A number of people on this forum who stand for the far, far, far left.

The problem, Mesatecala, is that you are such an outspoken and unwavering supporter of Bush, his policies and his talking-points, it's hard to corrolate that with your constant protestations that you are neither a Bush nor Republican supporter.

Oh please. You really need to get over yourself and understand I'm not even registered as either party. I'm tired of this shit. If you guys cannot own up to the truth, then I will just leave this forum and go back to managing my nation. You guys misconstrue things about me and what I believe in. I'm losing my patience very quickly. You are nothing more then extremist partisans with an agenda, and you do not speak for the people.

Just because you're not officially registered doesn't make you sound any less like a Log Cabin Republican. And most of your posts are pretty much putting Republican visions on a pillar preferably grinding Democrats and the rest of the world into the ground in the process.

The problem, Mesatecala, is that you are such an outspoken and unwavering supporter of Bush, his policies and his talking-points, it's hard to corrolate that with your constant protestations that you are neither a Bush nor Republican supporter.

The problem is you don't read many of my posts and you don't know where I've been critical of him because of that. Your issue.

Just because you're not officially registered doesn't make you sound any less like a Log Cabin Republican. And most of your posts are pretty much putting Republican visions on a pillar preferably grinding Democrats and the rest of the world into the ground in the process.

I'm not a log cabin republican. YOu don't even know me. You know nothing about me. And I believe you don't read most of my posts. Again, you want to engage in your little character attacks? Fantastic. :rolleyes:

The problem is you don't read many of my posts and you don't know where I've been critical of him because of that. Your issue.

Except for the gay issues, you have posted a great deal of support for him......

A number of people on this forum who stand for the far, far, far left.
I'm way more moderate than you can even imagine. But from your perspective, wayyyyyy the hell over there in Bushland, I imagine I do come off as a far left liberal.

And with that, cue the ignore cannon.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

I'm not a log cabin republican. YOu don't even know me. You know nothing about me. And I believe you don't read most of my posts. Again, you want to engage in your little character attacks? Fantastic. :rolleyes:

Coming from a wholehearted supporter of the party that uses character attacks as election strategy, I find this ironic and amusing. And what I do know of you comes from what you've posted. Apart from gay issues you've been pretty much an unapologetic Bushevik. A bit Strom Thurmondish there.

BLah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah. Any other character attacks? I'm still waiting.

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Sweet sweet nectar. :D

A number of people on this forum who stand for the far, far, far left.

The only place that exists a far, far, far left is the far, far, far right. Be careful about what you inadvertantly say about yourself.

Coming from a wholehearted supporter of the party that uses character attacks as election strategy, I find this ironic and amusing. And what I do know of you comes from what you've posted. Apart from gay issues you've been pretty much an unapologetic Bushevik. A bit Strom Thurmondish there.

Compared to you, Ted Kennedy would probably be a republican. I find your attitude as ironic. Apart from gay issues? No. 60-40. I disagree with him 40% of the time. that's a lot more then what you want to think. Strom Thurmondish? More feeble character assaults...

BLah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah. Any other character attacks? I'm still waiting.
:rolleyes:

I think I will join Nazz

Mesatecala sure looks angry at the messengers. I wonder what he'll do if Bush's approval rating goes down to 35%.

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Done. How sad I had to put people back on.. I took everyone off... and now this... great.

Mesatecala sure looks angry at the messengers. I wonder what he'll do if Bush's approval rating goes down to 35%.

Wow, some people buy into statistics too easily. I wonder what you will do when the correct pollster out there, Rasmussen, states 48-50%.

:rolleyes:

I think I will join Nazz
Do. It feels sort of like when Carl got his pool tricked out with the neon on Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

"It's like my pool is tearing ass around the back yard. But it's sitting still. Still waters run deep."

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HEY! Nazz is right! The static is gone! :)

Wow, some people buy into statistics too easily. I wonder what you will do when the correct pollster out there, Rasmussen, states 48-50%.Have a tantrum and then claim that anyone who reports a Bush approval rating of 50% is obviously a far far far far right reactionary who doesn't understand statistical error and makes Ann Coulter look like a liberal? No, libertarians are too mature for that.

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Oh fun. Another on my ignore list.

Don't forget the "there's been a natural disaster, of course the people are going to blame the President" crowd. :)
Oddly enough, natural disasters have tended to precipitate revolution (look at the chinese dynasties)

Oh, and Mesa...just a bit of an observation...no one poll is correct. Perhaps your favorite pollster was correct on the election. One accurate poll means nothing. There are many polls that place bush in the 30's. It should be taken into account that they are reliable polls in general, and that while their results may be low, others may be high. Perhaps one poll spoke to mostly non-bush supporters and one spoke to mostly bush supporters. It happens, even with random polling. As I started out with, no one poll is correct. Look at them all and make judgements based off that. I'm sure we can all agree that in general, these numbers mean very little besides the fact that there are alot of pissed off people (by either poll, his approval is still below 50%, if I am not mistaken)

I wonder, has there ever been a thread made up of people who are ignoring each other? That's a sort of zen thing, huh? :D

I got onto someone's ignore list! He claims my second post is the ignored one, meaning my first post is the one that convinced him to ignore me. Some people sure lose their temper easily.

I wonder, has there ever been a thread made up of people who are ignoring each other? That's a sort of zen thing, huh? :D
Sadly, I have the feeling that even if everyone had everyone else on ignore, there would still be atleast one right/left wing fight somehow...

Wow, some people buy into statistics too easily. I wonder what you will do when the correct pollster out there, Rasmussen, states 48-50%.

So you harp on one poll, oblivious to what every other says, because that poll was the one that predicted the 2004 election? Grand. Do you only watch Fox News too, because Fox gave Bush Florida in 2000?

Face it, the 2004 election was anybody's game as far as predictions went. A proper prediction there doesn't equate to squat except luck. Take into account that Rasmussen was right - in both senses of the word - and you might realize that it could also be a representation of bias that they got the 2004 election dead on.

I got onto someone's ignore list! He claims my second post is the ignored one, meaning my first post is the one that convinced him to ignore me. Some people sure lose their temper easily.
Anyone who dares accuse him of being the Republican he is winds up there--it's a good place. Come, swim in the neon-trimmed above ground swimming pool with the rest of us. :D

Anyone who dares accuse him of being the Republican he is winds up there--it's a good place. Come, swim in the neon-trimmed above ground swimming pool with the rest of us. :D
ha...that episode is awesome. I think I may have to take a dip.

Oh fun. Another on my ignore list.

You sure told them!

ha...that episode is awesome. I think I may have to take a dip.
There's plenty of room.

What's that at the bottom of the pool? Oh, Bush's approval ratings numbers. They keep sinking. :D

You are nothing more then extremist partisans with an agenda, and you do not speak for the people.

Says the person relying on one poll that only takes into account voters, not the entire populace.

Wow, they got 2004 elections right. We all see how one prediction leads to more correct ones, looking at how many long-correct predictions were shattered in 2004, from previous elections.

Predicting an election really doesn't mean shit. And only polling voters for public opinion on something? Its an inaccurate poll.

Regardless, you refuse to listen to multiple polls that have bush in the low fourties/high thirties, and harp on one poll. As well, I would be much more willing to trust an AP poll than the one you keep bringing up.

Btw, if you don't want to be considered right wing, republican, etc etc, you might want to drop your die-hard defense of bush. Regardless of how you feel, you are presenting a defense where you refuse to listen to opposition, harp on a tiny bit of evidence opposed by much more evidence, and simply lash out at those who disagree with you. Ignoring people as you are just makes you look even more un-willing to debate things.

This will certainly hurt his re-election chances.
As in the somewhere mentioned repeal of the 22nd Amendment?

Sadly, I have the feeling that even if everyone had everyone else on ignore, there would still be atleast one right/left wing fight somehow...
...i'm sure Drunk Commies Deleted/JesusSaves would save the day.
Have hope, pilgrim!

The problem is you don't read many of my posts and you don't know where I've been critical of him because of that. Your issue.
This might just be an *EXCELLENT* opportunity to show up all us naysayers!
Dish!
Show us the dirty, where the high&mighty have wounded your delicate soul!

BLah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah. Any other character attacks? I'm still waiting.
Actually, japes aside, your posts are entertaining enough to make us wait you out.

You have to get your own personal satisfaction elsewhere. I mean it seems you get more of it from this then say from masturbation. It is quite.. uh... disturbing.
Don't be so closed-minded. It would appear to me that Nazz and Gymoor are more than capable of doing so with your posts. He(doublehockeystick), i might even join in. Your night in the barrel!

Don't be such a prude, really.

I guess when you oversample democrats and blacks, you can get your polls to say whatever you want them to.

All this as Bush's supreme court nominee sails through this thursday, with another one on deck, and with GOP Senators in North Dakota and Montana looking good, who were previously thought highly vulnerable, etc. etc. Wake me up when there's some actual news going on. ;) 'Night.

Does anybody smell Lame Duck?