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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/22/13030/7546


God, I hate conservatives and liberals equally today. This is idiotic and a trampling of ALL of our constitutional rights.

So, you're bitching that the rights of the people to break the law were being infringed upon?

And from what I saw in the video, it didnt look like anything more than police officers handcuffing a resistant suspect.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/22/13030/7546


God, I hate conservatives and liberals equally today. This is idiotic and a trampling of ALL of our constitutional rights.


I can't say exactly why, but for some reason I'm having a hard time believing that person...

Hm. Are illegal drugs a necessary part of a party? If so, you've got problems right there.

I'd also like to point out that regardless of whether all the permits were obtained, if the party was suspected to be a place where crimes were being committed, the Police can raid it.

Just like the Police can raid a club in a city at any time looking for underage drinkers or people using illegal drugs... It's not widely done because it has a lot of potential bad fallout with the media, but it's doable.

Just like the Police can raid a club in a city at any time looking for underage drinkers or people using illegal drugs... It's not widely done because it has a lot of potential bad fallout with the media, but it's doable.

And don't forget the crimes against music. Those are the worst!

I recommend that people actually read the police report. No mass-gathering permit had been obtained, and, of course, police obtained legal justification to raid the party where they obviously found plenty of illegal substances.

I recommend that people actually read the police report. No mass-gathering permit had been obtained, and, of course, police obtained legal justification to raid the party where they obviously found plenty of illegal substances.

Doctrine of preemption, eh? Gotta love it.

I'd like to say... yeah freakin' right. I have a very hard time reading that article without laughing. I have seen high school newspaper articles that are more objective and professional than that. His use of CAPS LOCK, for one thing, was really funny.

Plus this, if I may quote:
"This event was 100% legal"
and a paragraph up:
"I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him."
Are drugs 100% legal in Utah? Funny, I don't remember that law...
Also according to the Police they didn't have the proper permit, plus they probably sent undercovers in to check out the rave for drug usage and whatnot before the helicopter and officers came in. Probable cause, violation of mass gathering laws, the cops had every right to break up that party.

That video didn't show anything out so outrageous either, so there were dogs barking, it's not like they mauled anyone. I have seen more brutal arrests on Cops for crying out loud. Plus as detailed in the brief, there was an assault on an officer so that blows Johnny Bandmembers credibility even further.

And you know what's funny? I'm a liberal. :rolleyes:

Even if some people may have had intoxicating substances, they weren't selling it. This is why, as a Libertarian, I feel that prohibition is a violation of indivisual libert and personal privacy. Governmental abuse is the reason for the second amendment. :sniper: Lucky for the storm troopers the partyers did not have any firearms. :D

Are illegal drugs a necessary part of a party?
Only the good ones.

I read 'Apollo's Diary' first and it sounded like the scene from the first XXX (Triple X-starring Vin Diesel) with S.W.A.T. teams blowing out windows and shooting any resistors.
I had to do a double check when I saw those S.W.A.T. guys just walking into the scene, it wasn't anything like what I was expecting.

That and the dog..that cracked me up. It sounds like my beagles when they're chasing eachother around the yard.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/22/13030/7546


God, I hate conservatives and liberals equally today. This is idiotic and a trampling of ALL of our constitutional rights.
This is old. Is there any Updated reports?

as it stands, the facts are...
No permit was obtained, no one there could produce a permit, no record of a permit was regestered. so it wasn't legal.
Drugs were present on alot of party Goers... one OD'd and was taken to a hospital.
Security was lacking/inadquate and what security was there was carrying contraband on them.

Why don't you 'conservatives' and 'liberals' just sign a document now, giving all and any rights you have to central government, and ask to be immediately sent to a war zone of your beloved presidents choice?

Even if some people may have had intoxicating substances, they weren't selling it. This is why, as a Libertarian, I feel that prohibition is a violation of indivisual libert and personal privacy. Governmental abuse is the reason for the second amendment. :sniper: Lucky for the storm troopers the partyers did not have any firearms. :D

They had to get the substances somehow...and chances are that a good number of party-goers were distributers.

Lets be a little realistic guys. As the sheriff brief detailed, there were a number of females that had come forward with tales of sexual abuse at simliar events prior to this one. The correct permits had not been obtained - which gave the police the ability to break up the party. Once there, drugs were found on numerous party-goers.

And, personal opinions dont mean diddly shit when it comes to the law. Regardless of how you personally feel about the legality of doing drugs, the fact of the matter is that such actions are currently against the law. Period. No gray area. Do a little, do a lot. Do something as harmless as marijuana. Whatever. It's still illegal.

Utah? That's the state run by a cult, right?

This pain me. In the past few days this Liberal has had to agree with Bush... and now the police...

In addition to being old, I seem to remember this being a hoax of some kind. The weapons/uniforms of the officers not being genuine or some such. Not to mention the article does contradict itself regarding the criminality at said rave. Blah. Isnt there something to be learned about the boy who cried wolf? We'll never know if law enforcement does overstep its bounds because everyone always claims it always does.

Utah? That's the state run by a cult, right?
They prefer the term religious nutjobs

Isnt there something to be learned about the boy who cried wolf? We'll never know if law enforcement does overstep its bounds because everyone always claims it always does.

or, more likely, law enforcement almost always does overstep its bounds - either its actual legal ones or any set of rational ones. people have just gotten used to it and don't think of it as a big thing anymore when someone points it out.

or, more likely, law enforcement almost always does overstep its bounds - either its actual legal ones or any set of rational ones. people have just gotten used to it and don't think of it as a big thing anyone when someone points it out.

With today's legal climate? I don't think so. Not when people can, and do, sue anyone, including the state, for, I dunno, "hate crimes" etc. ;) Or maybe I've just been extraodrinarily lucky in my dealings with law enforcement and innocent ravers just got the raw end of the stick. Suffice to say I don't believe that.

With today's legal climate? I don't think so. Not when people can, and do, sue anyone, including the state, for, I dunno, "hate crimes" etc. ;) Or maybe I've just been extraodrinarily lucky in my dealings with law enforcement and innocent ravers just got the raw end of the stick. Suffice to say I don't believe that.

i don't know, the fact that they keep losing the million dollar lawsuits sure hasn't stopped them from doing the same old bullshit at every major protest (but hey, it's like free financing for us - all we have to do is put up with being illegally attacked, detained, strip searched, hog-tied, and occassionally beaten while in custody).

and it seems like everytime i flip on that cops tv show i see at least one blatant violation of the constitution. but those are against poor people, so it's all good.

and i remember my encounters with cops when i was a teenager. not pretty. hell, i was racially profiled (incorrectly, no less) on several occassions. but teenagers aren't typically believed over law enforcers, so that never goes anywhere without video tape.

Uh, those uniforms were missing a big POLICE emblem on them. Even the most poorly funded county SWAT can afford to have them sewn on. Or maybe the the footage was just bad. If there were 1,500 people there why didn't any of the SWAT team have plastic zip cuffs? They're used by everyone in situations where they have to make mass arrests. The only weapon I see there is an AR-15 which everybody and their mom has.

I've been following this story for several reasons, so I will provide everyone with all the info I have found on the situation.

I first heard about this here:
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/11330.php

The latest (local) news was on September 9th:
http://kutv.com/local/local_story_245181205.html
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_252233313.html
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_252122050.html

You can see the promoters side of the story here:
http://www.music-versus-guns.org/mamboserver/

Watch the video captured from the raid here:
http://www.music-versus-guns.org/mamboserver/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=31&func=select&id=2

Finally, read personal accounts in this forum:
http://utrave.org/forumdisplay.php?f=19