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I had a wierd dream last night. I dreamed I was walking along outside. I was going to the store to get some snacks. I always walk to the store so that was normal. Next thing I know, I am in this building. There was this one guy there. He was in his late 20's early 30's it looked like. And has short curly blond hair and was white. He looked like a middle class person. He was looking out the window and he had something in his hand. I asked him where the exit was and he said through the stairs and he pointed at the stairwell. He said it in a weird manner too. I thought, "hmmm, that's odd". And I entered the stairwell to leave the building. And the stairs seemed to go down very very very far. But I had a sense of something being very wrong the minute I entered the stairwell. I thought, "this is bad, I should not be here. I am not supposed to be here." I had a feeling of impending crushing doom that just hit me. I looked down the stairs and they just kept going down. I take a few steps down the stairs and make the first winding turn and at this point I notice blood dripping down and in puddles on the floor of the stairs. Next thing I know I see a dismembered arm and other body parts, including a disembodied head. The look on the head had a look of horror on it but the eyes seemed to be looking right at me. At the point I decided "fuck this" and ran back up the stairs and back through the door. And the guy was still there. But he said something, I forgot the exact words but I sensed he had evil intentions. Next thing I know he pulls out this knife or boxcutter thing and starts jabbing at the air with it, in my direction and I'm jumping back out of the way of the knife. He seemed very angry and was saying something about being abandoned. I am trying to remember his words but I can't. I think it was something along the lines of "You people abandoned us. You stabbed us in the back." And I try to calm the guy down. Obviously he is upset about something.
Next thing I know, I am almost poked with a needle by this young asian woman who had long dark hair that was coifed. She looked in her 20's. She was wearing a white lab coat with a black shirt and black pants underneath. I had no idea what she had in the hypodermic needle and I had no intention of letting her poke in my arm.
I turn back toward the first guy to see what he was doing. And just as I turned back I see the asian chick push the needle in my direction again. And I stepped back to avoid the needle. I sensed evil from her.
So I am trying to avoid a knife and a needle. Next thing I wake up.

When I woke up I thought about it. But who the hell was the guy. I noticed his head was the same as the head on the stairwell. Now I am thinking, what the fuck was he?
At first I was thinking I just had dream from a malevolent spirit. Possibly satan. The dream itself was evil. Both the people in it intended to do me harm. Cause I woke up with fear and had much trouble going back to sleep.
Then, later today, I thought "didn't the WTC have a long flight of stairs?" "Didn't they have a lot upper middle class people working there?" "Didn't they find dismembered body parts at ground zero?" He looked like he worked for a major company. The boxcutters, isn't that what the terrorists used? Did I just make contact with a victim of 911? Who was the asian chick? Did they have any asian women in their 20's doing lab work in the WTC? Did they have labs there? What of the Pentagon? I had the sense she had some kind of weaponized virus in the hypodermic needle. Like she worked in biowarfare. Who were these people. Who ever they were they seem to be very angry.
Then a possibility came to my mind. The guy was someone who died in the WTC on 911. But the woman was not real. But being used to convey a major threat to the United States. I think the ghost or disembodied spirit was trying to say that China was going to launch a biological weapons attack on the United States. China being represented by the woman and bio weapons being represented by the needle. The attack by the fact that she kept trying to jab me and inject the shit into my arm. But there was no time frame given though.
So either I've been visited by a malicious spirit or I have made contact with the deceased of Sept 11. Who ever it was, it wants me to believe it was a ghost from 911. But I have a feeling it was really a malevolent spirit.

I leave it to you to comment on. Was it an evil spirit or was it the ghost of one of the victims of the WTC attacks? Please vote in the poll.
I hope you can see why I have reason to believe it is more likely to have been a demonic encounter.

Ask yourself, why the hell would a ghost randomly choose to contact YOU, and not a top-official of the government? ;)

Ask yourself, why the hell would a ghost randomly choose to contact YOU, and not a top-official of the government? ;)
If ghosts exist, why would they want to get involved with the world period?

god damnit that is fucked up to hell man! you are one evil prick you know that!LOL

god damnit that is fucked up to hell man! you are one evil prick you know that!LOL
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If ghosts exist, why would they want to get involved with the world period?
Oh come now, wouldn't you like to mess with people too?

Oh come now, wouldn't you like to mess with people too?
thing is I don't really believe in ghosts cause the bible says that ghosts are really demons in disguise. Cause when people die, they go into a millenial hibernation to wait for Jesus to come back and wake them up. I've had plenty of odd dreams but this is the first of its kind for me.

It was not a demon nor was it a 911 victim. Overactive imagination is what it was. Besides I don't know how you came up with the conclusion that it was somebody from China.

And even if your dream meant that would they be really that stupid to attack the U.S. They would just respond with nuclear weapons.

thing is I don't really believe in ghosts cause the bible says that ghosts are really demons in disguise. Cause when people die, they go into a millenial hibernation to wait for Jesus to come back and wake them up. I've had plenty of odd dreams but this is the first of its kind for me.

You can't believe everything the bible says. :p

ummm.. yeah. i would think if a 9/11 ghost where to contact anybody it would be there family member, or friend. but thats just my opinion. but i do believ shit like this happens, on my uncles birthday and death day, i have the same stupid dream, the last couple hours or so of his life. BTY he died april 6, 1968 in vietnam. its always the same and i always wake up in a cold sweat. what freaks me out more is that i read the report of this "engagement" in which he was a killed, exactly the same as the dream. so i dont know

Both main options are based on (sic) faith in the supernatural. Sounds to me more like you're creative.

If it helps, that pays far better than superstitious. ;)

*shuns*

It was neither a demon nor a ghost. It was a dream. Get over it.

Are you sleep deprived again?

Hey, I had teh same dream, only I was the people trying to kill you!

Oh come now China? please don't be overly bias it could be any asian state out there and China has never gone against America except when it involves Taiwan

:rolleyes: shish it could easily be North Korea or Japan

*mumbles*

My personal idea is that, that was a POW from America who was tortured by the Japanese torture and human experimental unit. In some cases we did betray our POWS there we told the Japanese we would forgive them from everything they did if they shared there information with us. The asian was probably one a test torturers.


I think the moral is don't piss off your POWS ;)

It was a demon, because demons always contact random people and spread disinformation that will serve no purpose in the long run, like this one time, I had a dream and in it this naked demonguy with boxers stapled to his forehead said "BY ENRON SHARES", and then three days later there was the Enron thing and Enron was eaten by a bear or something because everyone was all like "73H 3NR0N 1S 73H SUXX0RS!!", and then someone stole my period key, and that is this whole thing is being written in a run on sentence, but then some guy reminded me that the Illluminati were ruling the world with the aid of their Demon assitants and I put on my tinfoil hat and that made the bad men go away, and then I went home and realized that overdosing on caffeine pills wasn't good.

Remember children, sanity and internal consistency are overrated.

It was a demon, because demons always contact random people and spread disinformation that will serve no purpose in the long run, like this one time, I had a dream and in it this naked demonguy with boxers stapled to his forehead said "BY ENRON SHARES", and then three days later there was the Enron thing and Enron was eaten by a bear or something because everyone was all like "73H 3NR0N 1S 73H SUXX0RS!!", and then someone stole my period key, and that is this whole thing is being written in a run on sentence, but then some guy reminded me that the Illluminati were ruling the world with the aid of their Demon assitants and I put on my tinfoil hat and that made the bad men go away, and then I went home and realized that overdosing on caffeine pills wasn't good.

Remember children, sanity and internal consistency are overrated.

......are you on drugs..... :D

You really need to add more options to your poll, for example:

- It was just a dream

- You need to get more sleep

- You forgot to take your medication

- This is a big, fat troll

......are you on drugs..... :D
No, but I am high on life*!

*If by life, of course, you mean paint cold medication and paint fumes.

ummm.. yeah. i would think if a 9/11 ghost where to contact anybody it would be there family member, or friend. but thats just my opinion. but i do believ shit like this happens, on my uncles birthday and death day, i have the same stupid dream, the last couple hours or so of his life. BTY he died april 6, 1968 in vietnam. its always the same and i always wake up in a cold sweat. what freaks me out more is that i read the report of this "engagement" in which he was a killed, exactly the same as the dream. so i dont know
when I woke up from this one, I felt like someone had their fingers on my head. And I felt the fingers moving along my scalp. To get a feel for what I am saying, take your finger and run it (length wise) along the back of your head (from the middle of the back of your head to your neck then to where the back of your ear is. I felt that. I turned and there was no one there. Then I felt it again. I felt that shit like 3 times. Like there was something or someone there touching my head. What ever it was, it had at least 3 fingers on my head.

I vote for neither I just think you should just get more sleep

*oh and to hr fiddlebottoms VIII good one

Oh come now China? please don't be overly bias it could be any asian state out there and China has never gone against America except when it involves Taiwan

:rolleyes: shish it could easily be North Korea or Japan

*mumbles*
that's the thing. For what reason would the Chinese launch a bio attack on the US. If they did that, their whole economy would be destroyed. It would hurt them more than us. Plus the fact that we've had long history of friendship between the two nations.
Plus the fact that Bible not only says that people who die go into a long long hibernation, but that they don't know anything that is happening in the world of the living. Hence, the reason I lean toward it being demonic. If not for the experience of feeling something touching my head running fingers down it, I would have dismissed it as just a dream brought on by some late night radio program I listened to.

that's the thing. For what reason would the Chinese launch a bio attack on the US. If they did that, their whole economy would be destroyed. It would hurt them more than us. Plus the fact that we've had long history of friendship between the two nations.
Plus the fact that Bible not only says that people who die go into a long long hibernation, but that they don't know anything that is happening in the world of the living. Hence, the reason I lean toward it being demonic. If not for the experience of feeling something touching my head running fingers down it, I would have dismissed it as just a dream brought on by some late night radio program I listened to.

Well I remember having something similar to this except it was more strange then freaky....
But anyway good luck demons never strike twice ;)

Unless there Succubus that have taken a liking to you :D

I've felt like I have been touched before. Sure it scares the shit out of you but it really isn't anything to be scared of unless something attacks you. Its not a demon it could be a ghost, though.

Ummm, are we forgetting N. Korea? Maybe N. Korea will be attacking us. Also, since we were helpless to rescue the people from the WTC, they may feel betrayed since we couldn't really help them.

I've felt like I have been touched before. Sure it scares the shit out of you but it really isn't anything to be scared of unless something attacks you. Its not a demon it could be a ghost, though.

Well keep in mind I'm Buddist and believe in recarnation. It might have been someone in your past life.

Ummm, are we forgetting N. Korea? Maybe N. Korea will be attacking us. Also, since we were helpless to rescue the people from the WTC, they may feel betrayed since we couldn't really help them.

Hehehe were not even sure if N. Korea has nukes they just brag about it but we've never really really seen them. Not only that but N. Korea isn't completely dumb why nuke America and then get killed 5 minutes later unless they're confident they have enough nukes to completely wipe us out fully

Hehehe were not even sure if N. Korea has nukes they just brag about it but we've never really really seen them. Not only that but N. Korea isn't completely dumb why nuke America and then get killed 5 minutes later unless they're confident they have enough nukes to completely wipe us out fully

Ahhh, but N. Korea can release a deadly virus into our ecosystem, or set off a biological bomb that'll kill people.

Thank you, Jesus.

Well keep in mind I'm Buddist and believe in recarnation. It might have been someone in your past life.


It usually happened after I watched some ghost shows though. :p

BTW I also believe in reincarnation.

Let's just assume for a minute that dreams are caused by spirits, and not the random firing of neurons and your brain jumbling up recent experiences, as they really are.

The only connection between your dream and the WTC was that they both had stairs. WOW! You might as well say that you were being contacted by a former executive from Nabisco, because you were going to buy some snacks.

You had a dream, you weren't contacted by a spirit from 9/11.

Ummm, are we forgetting N. Korea? Maybe N. Korea will be attacking us. Also, since we were helpless to rescue the people from the WTC, they may feel betrayed since we couldn't really help them.
That is the sense I got. That he was in the WTC when it went down and he felt betrayed by us. And that they are angry about it.

I've felt like I have been touched before. Sure it scares the shit out of you but it really isn't anything to be scared of unless something attacks you. Its not a demon it could be a ghost, though.
Why so quick to dismiss the idea of a demon, but not a ghost? I wonder... not really.

Anyway, Whittier, I think you’re just being arrogant. Why the hell would anyone want to warn you of anything? If I was a supernatural entity, I sure wouldn’t want to communicate with somebody who wastes countless hours writing six pages of crap about some girl that‘s probably too good for you, all the while utilizing very bad penmanship.

That is the sense I got. That he was in the WTC when it went down and he felt betrayed by us.

I was suprised you assumed China when you saw the Asian girl. I assumed N. Korea because they have Asians too! lol. Also N. Korea actually hates us.

I'm getting the idea that this is a demon or a malicious spirit. I had a dream about me talking to my late grandfather recently, but he spoke using different words, calling me 'boy' and not Louis. He never did that, and was going to give me advice. I think that it might not have been good ol' grandpa, but a demon trying to get me to do evil things.

Ahhh, but N. Korea can release a deadly virus into our ecosystem, or set off a biological bomb that'll kill people.

hmm thats true but considering the fact that biological weapons are considered more advance then nukes I don't really believe that... after all scientists have said that its harder to contain and store viruses then it is to utilize atoms and nuclear energy

I was suprised you assumed China when you saw the Asian girl. I assumed N. Korea because they have Asians too! lol. Also N. Korea actually hates us.

Sniff don't worry happens all the time :(
I'm Chinese/american *waves flags* and I'm pretty proud of both.. I really hope one day the two nations I love to death will one day have an alliance togather

I was suprised you assumed China when you saw the Asian girl. I assumed N. Korea because they have Asians too! lol. Also N. Korea actually hates us.
Actually you are right. I should have thought that. I just saw asian and thought china. But this girl was tall. Korean women are kind of tall while asian women tend to be short in stature. You might be right about it being North Korea. But still, I don't think the warning is legit. I think it was an attempt at deception by a demonic spirit. North Korea would have to be suicidal to launch a bio attack. BTW, to whoever said they could, you should have noted the fact that North Korea currently has the worlds most active and prolific biological weapons program.

hmm thats true but considering the fact that biological weapons are considered more advance then nukes I don't really believe that... after all scientists have said that its harder to contain and store viruses then it is to utilize atoms and nuclear energy

Ahh, but in New York, some labs do have some virus that caused the Black Plague in Europe History contained. I believe they can be contain, its just that you litterly have to freeze the cells itself.

Ahh, but in New York, some labs do have some virus that caused the Black Plague in Europe History contained. I believe they can be contain, its just that you litterly have to freeze the cells itself.

Yeah but thats in America, N. Korea isn't exactly full of labs... Not only that but the black plague is pretty over estimated if it were to happen now at modern times I think modern medicine could crush it quite easily :D

Actually you are right. I should have thought that. I just saw asian and thought china. But this girl was tall. Korean women are kind of tall while asian women tend to be short in stature. You might be right about it being North Korea. But still, I don't think the warning is legit. I think it was an attempt at deception by a demonic spirit. North Korea would have to be suicidal to launch a bio attack. BTW, to whoever said they could, you should have noted the fact that North Korea currently has the worlds most active and prolific biological weapons program.

It would be suicidal for N. Korea, but their leader isn't exactly working with all of his marbles in his basket if you know what I mean.

Yeah but thats in America, N. Korea isn't exactly full of labs... Not only that but the black plague is pretty over estimated if it were to happen now at modern times I think modern medicine could crush it quite easily :D

But what if its a virus that we can't readily be prepared for. I mean Anthrax is a form of biological weapon that can be release into the city without much fanfare.

All I'm saying is we really shouldn't take the threat of N. Korea so lightly.

I don't get why you think it was a demon. It was just a dream. Hell some of my friends would have said it was an awesome dream.

I don't get why you think it was a demon. It was just a dream. Hell some of my friends would have said it was an awesome dream.

You have weird friends. I like them! :)

Since you seem to have ignored my comment, I'll ask again. Are you sleep deprived?

It was explained to you last time you thought you had supernatural dealings that it was rather certain you were having night terrors, and that's how it'd appear again. Look, just go have a session or 5 with a psychologist, talk to them about the various stresses in your life, and mention that people think you have night terrors. Very likely they can help you resolve all this.

But what if its a virus that we can't readily be prepared for. I mean Anthrax is a form of biological weapon that can be release into the city without much fanfare.

All I'm saying is we really shouldn't take the threat of N. Korea so lightly.

Shoot...luckily I'm in New York so everyone on the western side of America will die and I'll get a head start to run over to another nation... :D

But I understand what your saying and it does hold merit but we can't go off every time someone becomes a threat. One of the reasons N. Korea does that is because there economy is s@#! and after the soviet union fell and could no long support them they began building nuclear weapons and pretty much threatened everyone to pay them off.

The clothes she was wearing. They were the kind of clothes that either the typical Korean woman wears (When I was in korea I spent a lot of time in Daegu) or what a successful woman in the US wears, particularly the type who work for major bioengineering companies.)
Did the WTC have labs in it? Did it house offices for bioengineering firms or firms in related biotech fields? Cause I am assuming that the woman was just a symbol of another country. I'd have to go through a lot of photos of people that worked at the WTC to see if these two individuals even existed.

Since you seem to have ignored my comment, I'll ask again. Are you sleep deprived?

It was explained to you last time you thought you had supernatural dealings that it was rather certain you were having night terrors, and that's how it'd appear again. Look, just go have a session or 5 with a psychologist, talk to them about the various stresses in your life, and mention that people think you have night terrors. Very likely they can help you resolve all this.
Sleep deprived? Hmmmm. For someone who gets 9 hours of sleep a night and spends most of his lunch napping?

Sleep deprived? Hmmmm. For someone who gets 9 hours of sleep a night and spends most of his lunch napping?

It's also entirely possible to sleep too much. And as I stated, last time you claimed something like this, you later admitted to having been awake for 5 days, after claiming for some time to get enough sleep, then saying you had insomnia.

Once again, you seem to be ignoring sound advice given to you..Not even responded with a "Thank you, I'll consider it." or "No, I feel I'm fine.", but side-stepping it entirely, which suggest to me you don't want to even consider the fact that you may need some help.

I had a wierd dream last night. I dreamed I was walking along outside. I was going to the store to get some snacks. I always walk to the store so that was normal. Next thing I know, I am in this building. There was this one guy there. He was in his late 20's early 30's it looked like. And has short curly blond hair and was white. He looked like a middle class person. He was looking out the window and he had something in his hand. I asked him where the exit was and he said through the stairs and he pointed at the stairwell. He said it in a weird manner too. I thought, "hmmm, that's odd". And I entered the stairwell to leave the building. And the stairs seemed to go down very very very far. But I had a sense of something being very wrong the minute I entered the stairwell. I thought, "this is bad, I should not be here. I am not supposed to be here." I had a feeling of impending crushing doom that just hit me. I looked down the stairs and they just kept going down. I take a few steps down the stairs and make the first winding turn and at this point I notice blood dripping down and in puddles on the floor of the stairs. Next thing I know I see a dismembered arm and other body parts, including a disembodied head. The look on the head had a look of horror on it but the eyes seemed to be looking right at me. At the point I decided "fuck this" and ran back up the stairs and back through the door. And the guy was still there. But he said something, I forgot the exact words but I sensed he had evil intentions. Next thing I know he pulls out this knife or boxcutter thing and starts jabbing at the air with it, in my direction and I'm jumping back out of the way of the knife. He seemed very angry and was saying something about being abandoned. I am trying to remember his words but I can't. I think it was something along the lines of "You people abandoned us. You stabbed us in the back." And I try to calm the guy down. Obviously he is upset about something.
Next thing I know, I am almost poked with a needle by this young asian woman who had long dark hair that was coifed. She looked in her 20's. She was wearing a white lab coat with a black shirt and black pants underneath. I had no idea what she had in the hypodermic needle and I had no intention of letting her poke in my arm.
I turn back toward the first guy to see what he was doing. And just as I turned back I see the asian chick push the needle in my direction again. And I stepped back to avoid the needle. I sensed evil from her.
So I am trying to avoid a knife and a needle. Next thing I wake up.

When I woke up I thought about it. But who the hell was the guy. I noticed his head was the same as the head on the stairwell. Now I am thinking, what the fuck was he?
At first I was thinking I just had dream from a malevolent spirit. Possibly satan. The dream itself was evil. Both the people in it intended to do me harm. Cause I woke up with fear and had much trouble going back to sleep.
Then, later today, I thought "didn't the WTC have a long flight of stairs?" "Didn't they have a lot upper middle class people working there?" "Didn't they find dismembered body parts at ground zero?" He looked like he worked for a major company. The boxcutters, isn't that what the terrorists used? Did I just make contact with a victim of 911? Who was the asian chick? Did they have any asian women in their 20's doing lab work in the WTC? Did they have labs there? What of the Pentagon? I had the sense she had some kind of weaponized virus in the hypodermic needle. Like she worked in biowarfare. Who were these people. Who ever they were they seem to be very angry.
Then a possibility came to my mind. The guy was someone who died in the WTC on 911. But the woman was not real. But being used to convey a major threat to the United States. I think the ghost or disembodied spirit was trying to say that China was going to launch a biological weapons attack on the United States. China being represented by the woman and bio weapons being represented by the needle. The attack by the fact that she kept trying to jab me and inject the shit into my arm. But there was no time frame given though.
So either I've been visited by a malicious spirit or I have made contact with the deceased of Sept 11. Who ever it was, it wants me to believe it was a ghost from 911. But I have a feeling it was really a malevolent spirit.

I leave it to you to comment on. Was it an evil spirit or was it the ghost of one of the victims of the WTC attacks? Please vote in the poll.
I hope you can see why I have reason to believe it is more likely to have been a demonic encounter.




IT WAS ONLY A DREAM!!!!! Nothing else.

I had a wierd dream last night. I dreamed I was walking along outside. I was going to the store to get some snacks. I always walk to the store so that was normal. Next thing I know, I am in this building. There was this one guy there. He was in his late 20's early 30's it looked like. And has short curly blond hair and was white. He looked like a middle class person. He was looking out the window and he had something in his hand. I asked him where the exit was and he said through the stairs and he pointed at the stairwell. He said it in a weird manner too. I thought, "hmmm, that's odd". And I entered the stairwell to leave the building. And the stairs seemed to go down very very very far. But I had a sense of something being very wrong the minute I entered the stairwell. I thought, "this is bad, I should not be here. I am not supposed to be here." I had a feeling of impending crushing doom that just hit me. I looked down the stairs and they just kept going down. I take a few steps down the stairs and make the first winding turn and at this point I notice blood dripping down and in puddles on the floor of the stairs. Next thing I know I see a dismembered arm and other body parts, including a disembodied head. The look on the head had a look of horror on it but the eyes seemed to be looking right at me. At the point I decided "fuck this" and ran back up the stairs and back through the door. And the guy was still there. But he said something, I forgot the exact words but I sensed he had evil intentions. Next thing I know he pulls out this knife or boxcutter thing and starts jabbing at the air with it, in my direction and I'm jumping back out of the way of the knife. He seemed very angry and was saying something about being abandoned. I am trying to remember his words but I can't. I think it was something along the lines of "You people abandoned us. You stabbed us in the back." And I try to calm the guy down. Obviously he is upset about something.
Next thing I know, I am almost poked with a needle by this young asian woman who had long dark hair that was coifed. She looked in her 20's. She was wearing a white lab coat with a black shirt and black pants underneath. I had no idea what she had in the hypodermic needle and I had no intention of letting her poke in my arm.
I turn back toward the first guy to see what he was doing. And just as I turned back I see the asian chick push the needle in my direction again. And I stepped back to avoid the needle. I sensed evil from her.
So I am trying to avoid a knife and a needle. Next thing I wake up.

When I woke up I thought about it. But who the hell was the guy. I noticed his head was the same as the head on the stairwell. Now I am thinking, what the fuck was he?
At first I was thinking I just had dream from a malevolent spirit. Possibly satan. The dream itself was evil. Both the people in it intended to do me harm. Cause I woke up with fear and had much trouble going back to sleep.
Then, later today, I thought "didn't the WTC have a long flight of stairs?" "Didn't they have a lot upper middle class people working there?" "Didn't they find dismembered body parts at ground zero?" He looked like he worked for a major company. The boxcutters, isn't that what the terrorists used? Did I just make contact with a victim of 911? Who was the asian chick? Did they have any asian women in their 20's doing lab work in the WTC? Did they have labs there? What of the Pentagon? I had the sense she had some kind of weaponized virus in the hypodermic needle. Like she worked in biowarfare. Who were these people. Who ever they were they seem to be very angry.
Then a possibility came to my mind. The guy was someone who died in the WTC on 911. But the woman was not real. But being used to convey a major threat to the United States. I think the ghost or disembodied spirit was trying to say that China was going to launch a biological weapons attack on the United States. China being represented by the woman and bio weapons being represented by the needle. The attack by the fact that she kept trying to jab me and inject the shit into my arm. But there was no time frame given though.
So either I've been visited by a malicious spirit or I have made contact with the deceased of Sept 11. Who ever it was, it wants me to believe it was a ghost from 911. But I have a feeling it was really a malevolent spirit.

I leave it to you to comment on. Was it an evil spirit or was it the ghost of one of the victims of the WTC attacks? Please vote in the poll.
I hope you can see why I have reason to believe it is more likely to have been a demonic encounter.


it was just a dream...i dont believe in demons

and the thing about feeling someone touching ur neck...i think u just imagined it

it was just a dream...i dont believe in demons

and the thing about feeling someone touching ur neck...i think u just imagined it
No. I didn't imagine it.

thing is I don't really believe in ghosts cause the bible says that ghosts are really demons in disguise. Cause when people die, they go into a millenial hibernation to wait for Jesus to come back and wake them up. I've had plenty of odd dreams but this is the first of its kind for me.

Hmm, could you cite that for me?

No. I didn't imagine it.


okay...but i definately dont think it was a ghost from 9/11

if anything it was the demon but i dont think demons r real

I think it was just whittier's imagination.

Hmm, could you cite that for me?
Ecclesiastes:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (KJV)

No. I didn't imagine it.
You're right. You didn't imagine the sensation. DO us all a favor and google "sleep paralysis".

No. I didn't imagine it.

You need psychological help. I suggest you get some sleep and see a psychiatrist in the morning.

There are no such things as ghosts or demons.

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 (KJV)

Hence, why I think it was really a demon. It was a dream. But demons and angels and God can influence dreams.

You're right. You didn't imagine the sensation. DO us all a favor and google "sleep paralysis".
It wasn't sleep paralysis. I had no problem moving around.

You need psychological help. I suggest you get some sleep and see a psychiatrist in the morning.

There are no such things as ghosts or demons.

I would agree he does need psychological help, because I am utterly convinced he suffers from sleep paralysis (a.k.a "night terrors"). A psychiatrist proscribes drugs as well as acting in the role of a psychologist..Which he may or may not need.

There are such things (I'm firmly convinced, anyways), but a belief in them, regardless, does not necessarily make one insane or otherwise mentally unbalanced.

I think he just wanted attention. Or a chance to put forth a crackpot theory.

When they say to you, "Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter," should not a people consult their God? {Should they} {consult} the dead on behalf of the living?
Isaiah 8:19 (NAS)

Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:31 (NAV)

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:19 (KJV)

The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.
Deuteronomy 29:29

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:17 (KJV) (biblical refutation of reincarnation)

ut Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.
Luke 16:25-26 (KJV) (biblical verse showing that the dead cannot communicate with the living)

[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (KJV) (the myth of ghosts persists because so many people are willing to believe and God allows them to be decieved because of their embracing sin and evil)

Got this off a website:

"Her answer to both questions was "no", which is typical of people who have these kinds of experiences. I told her that based on what the Bible has to say about such matters that I was almost certain she was being deceived by a demon. She seemed shocked and surprised because the spirit gave no obvious signs she could see of it being evil. The problem Mary had at that time was that she didn't know what signs to look for. I encouraged her to read up on the Bible verses that talk about communicating with the dead and other spirits, then to test this spirit the way the Bible says to the next time it appeared to her. She did both, then called me later to tell me what happened."

Would explain why it became hostile toward me. It knew I would likely not believe its deception.

The Bible says to test all spirits that make contact with you to see whether they are good or evil. I think this spirit failed that test.

How to test spirits:

http://www.creationists.org/testthespirits.html

a good source

26. Death and Resurrection:
The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.) (shows that death is nothing more than a long long sleep)
http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

I think he just wanted attention. Or a chance to put forth a crackpot theory.
If you think people who believe in the Bible are crackpots, well, you have religious freedom to think or believe what you want.

I just said your "new 9/11" theory was crackpot (and a little paranoid). I don't actually know you well enough to know if you're truly a crackpot. For the record, it's not the bible I have a problem with. It's people who use it for their own agenda that I have a problem with. But we're getting off topic here.

more proof that ghosts don't exist:

Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. (KJV)
The dead praise not Jehovah, Neither any that go down into silence; (ASV)

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (KJV)

Isaiah 26:14
They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. (KJV)

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. (ASV)

Proverbs 9:18
But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. (KJV)

Recommend the whole of Proverbs 9

I just said your "new 9/11" theory was crackpot (and a little paranoid). I don't actually know you well enough to know if you're truly a crackpot. For the record, it's not the bible I have a problem with. It's people who use it for their own agenda that I have a problem with. But we're getting off topic here.

That's fine. I was just using the Bible to show why I don't think it really was a 911 ghost.

Question directed at those voting that it was a ghost. What makes you think it was ghost?

Reason there is only 3 options.

Because to really discuss this you have to believe in ghosts and/or demons. If you are athiest you can't really believe in either. As far as I know.
That's not to say that your opinions are invalid. Just that I would like opinions of people who know and believe the Bible is the literal word of God or who believe the dead walk among us.

When I say no opinion I mean no religious opinion. No offense to anyone who doesn't believe in anything.

None of your Biblical quotes prove it wasn't a ghost, and that it was a demon, nor do they prove ghosts don't exist. If I remember right, they are talked about in the bible. Hell, it says one guy tried to summon one for a fortune telling and it fucked him over, so the rest of the theme was anti-ghost, fortune telling, etc.

And considering in your last supernatural thread, you said you had experiences with ghost, yet you now say you don't..why should we believe you?

None of your Biblical quotes prove it wasn't a ghost, and that it was a demon, nor do they prove ghosts don't exist. If I remember right, they are talked about in the bible. Hell, it says one guy tried to summon one for a fortune telling and it fucked him over, so the rest of the theme was anti-ghost, fortune telling, etc.

And considering in your last supernatural thread, you said you had experiences with ghost, yet you now say you don't..why should we believe you?
I thought you didn't believe in ghosts.

It is my view that those manifestations were demon(s) attempting to decieve me and draw me from the light. But because they tend to fail, they are always trying to fuck me over in what ever it is I set out to do. God allows this, as a test. They can however, make very good impressions of ghosts. So good that we might, at the time, think they really were ghosts. As you know, I've fallen for it once in awhile.

"If it is possible, they will decieve even the very elect of God."

The disturbing part is the fact it was able to touch me. They are not supposed to be able to do that.

You need psychological help. I suggest you get some sleep and see a psychiatrist in the morning.

There are no such things as ghosts or demons.
Prove it.

I thought you didn't believe in ghosts.

It is my view that those manifestations were demon(s) attempting to decieve me and draw me from the light. But because they tend to fail, they are always trying to fuck me over in what ever it is I set out to do. God allows this, as a test. They can however, make very good impressions of ghosts. So good that we might, at the time, think they really were ghosts. As you know, I've fallen for it once in awhile.

"If it is possible, they will decieve even the very elect of God."

The disturbing part is the fact it was able to touch me. They are not supposed to be able to do that.
I fully believe in the supernatural, though I am skeptical of a large number of claims. The supernatural only has as much power over you as you let it (which tends to be alot, for most people).

You're welcome to believe what you wish, but I still think it'd do you good to talk to a psych, to at least get things that're stressing you off your chest, and advice on how to sleep more soundly, since you have stated in the past you have problems with this.

Prove it.
The burden of proof rests on the one making the positive statement, not the negative statement. He (Or she? Can't recall) doesn't have to prove a thing.

The burden of proof rests on the one making the positive statement, not the negative statement. He (Or she? Can't recall) doesn't have to prove a thing.
That debate is useless. You can't really prove either way if they do or don't exist. It's not something you can test in a lab. What are you going to do? Go up to Satan and say "hello Mr. Satan, can I have a tissue sample so I can see if you really exist" ?

It should be noted that these entities appear to some people but not to others.
In most cases, if a third person enters the room the entity will disappear and leave the room.

The burden of proof rests on the one making the positive statement, not the negative statement. He (Or she? Can't recall) doesn't have to prove a thing.DELGRAD made a claim. This person certainly doesn't have to prove anything, but his/her statement is worthless without proof, as far as I'm concerned.

I recognize that it's basically impossible to prove the non-existence of something, and that's why all such statements claiming non-existence are worthless.

Ahahahaha this so fuckin hilarious. :D

..Your subconsciusness is a fucked up place, dude. Everyone's sc'ss is a fucked up place, even mine.. It's not an evil spirit or a ghost, it's just all in your head.

more proof that ghosts don't exist:

Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. (KJV)
The dead praise not Jehovah, Neither any that go down into silence; (ASV)

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (KJV)

Isaiah 26:14
They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. (KJV)

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. (ASV)

Proverbs 9:18
But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. (KJV)

Recommend the whole of Proverbs 9

That debate is useless. You can't really prove either way if they do or don't exist. It's not something you can test in a lab. What are you going to do? Go up to Satan and say "hello Mr. Satan, can I have a tissue sample so I can see if you really exist" ?

You just contradicted yourself. You say that you can't prove they exist but you tried using the bible to prove that they don't exist. So which is it?

You just contradicted yourself. You say that you can't prove they exist but you tried using the bible to prove that they don't exist. So which is it?
I was said you can't use a science lab to prove they do or don't exist. The bible is something different.

You also can't use the bible to prove that they exist. Its impossible to say that the bible is always right. I may believe in god but I don't believe in the Bible or any "holy" book for that matter.

You also can't use the bible to prove that they exist. Its impossible to say that the bible is always right. I may believe in god but I don't believe in the Bible or any "holy" book for that matter.
Actually the Bible is "always right". If you are a christian then you have to believe the Bible is infallible.
The fact that you think it is wrong proves you are not a christian.

Actually the Bible is "always right". If you are a christian then you have to believe the Bible is infallible.
The fact that you think it is wrong proves you are not a christian.

Actually, no.

As a Christian I don't believe in everything the Bible says.

Why?

I don't believe in things that were spoke long before they were written down, written by people who had their own ideas of what it meant and 'clarified', gone over repeatedly, translated into English about 10,000 times...

Get where I'm going with this?

Ahahahaha this so fuckin hilarious. :D

..Your subconsciusness is a fucked up place, dude. Everyone's sc'ss is a fucked up place, even mine.. It's not an evil spirit or a ghost, it's just all in your head.


Whittier has a history of serious psychological problems.

He's posted here before ranting about the women out to poison him, among other things.

OMG THAT"S WIERD!!!!

I'm going to have trouble sleeping tonight!!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can't decide whether it's a ghots, or a . I'm not voting.

The Great Foxen Union Of Foxstenikopolis

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Woah. What a weird dream. I don't think that there was any ghost or demons or anything, but it's certainly weird. Frankly, I'd try to do a Feudean analysis. Did anyone you know die on 9/11? And who does the Asian lady represent?

Or maybe you're just crazy. Welcome to my world.

gona give me bad dreams

Actually, no.

As a Christian I don't believe in everything the Bible says.

Why?

I don't believe in things that were spoke long before they were written down, written by people who had their own ideas of what it meant and 'clarified', gone over repeatedly, translated into English about 10,000 times...

Get where I'm going with this?
Actually I do know where you are going.
The fact is you are false christian. You are not going to heaven.
And that's not just me saying that. That's in the Bible. And its also the teachings of all the christian denominations.

Actually I do know where you are going.
The fact is you are false christian. You are not going to heaven.
And that's not just me saying that. That's in the Bible. And its also the teachings of all the christian denominations.


Of course.

I must not be a true Christian because I don't believe every single thing written down by HUMANS with their own agendas...

:rolleyes:

Not judging people is in the bible... but wait, was there a judgement just passed on me?

:o you're false too, aren't you?!

Of course.

I must not be a true Christian because I don't believe every single thing written down by HUMANS with their own agendas...

:rolleyes:

Not judging people is in the bible... but wait, was there a judgement just passed on me?

:o you're false too, aren't you?!
your smokescreen just doesn't fool me. You've gone against the word of God. A true christian knows that the Bible is infallable. It is written to cast the blasphemers, heretics and rejectors of God's word out from among you.
It is the command of God that those of us who are true christians confront the false christians with the errors of their way. If they don't listen, it is our duty to cast them from the church. This is what excommunication was intended for.
You have admitted you are not following God's commandments. If you were, you would know the Bible is infallible. For it is written that the scripture is faithful and true.

I just woke up from a wierd dream a few hours ago, but I don't see any cracks in the ground or gushing tsunamies rushing through my local wal-mart. :p

...

Not yet, anyway. :D

your smokescreen just doesn't fool me. You've gone against the word of God. A true christian knows that the Bible is infallable. It is written to cast the blasphemers, heretics and rejectors of God's word out from among you.
It is the command of God that those of us who are true christians confront the false christians with the errors of their way. If they don't listen, it is our duty to cast them from the church. This is what excommunication was intended for.
You have admitted you are not following God's commandments. If you were, you would know the Bible is infallible. For it is written that the scripture is faithful and true.

Infallable, eh?

Do you know it in Hebrew and Greek or just English?

Now, I don't know, or have the time to learn currently, Hebrew and Greek. Until I do, I refuse to swallow everything the translations, which apparently keep being 'fixed', are saying.

Now, before you judge me and say 'I don't follow God's commandments', you would need to meet me. I mean, saying that I'm a false Christian because I don't believe translations and thus 'don't follow all things I should to be a Christian' is a bit of a generalization, don't you think?

Actually the Bible is "always right". If you are a christian then you have to believe the Bible is infallible.
The fact that you think it is wrong proves you are not a christian.

Question:
Many of the books of the Christian Testament (New Testament) are the epistles (letters) of Paul to various churches in the Roman world. Are the writings of Paul given the same credit for infallibility as the other books of the Bible?

In Jewish tradition, the Torah is held to be the Word of God; the Orthodox also believe that the Talmud is also the Word of God. Despite this, rabbinical law has allowed for interpretation of Talmudic and Torah law, usually by rabbinic courts. Would it not be reasonable to allow for similar interpretation of Christian Scripture and law? (Perhaps under episcopal courts.)
(Of course, the answer to this question is something outside the scope of this forum. Just food for thought.)

Question:
Many of the books of the Christian Testament (New Testament) are the epistles (letters) of Paul to various churches in the Roman world. Are the writings of Paul given the same credit for infallibility as the other books of the Bible?

In Jewish tradition, the Torah is held to be the Word of God; the Orthodox also believe that the Talmud is also the Word of God. Despite this, rabbinical law has allowed for interpretation of Talmudic and Torah law, usually by rabbinic courts. Would it not be reasonable to allow for similar interpretation of Christian Scripture and law? (Perhaps under episcopal courts.)
(Of course, the answer to this question is something outside the scope of this forum. Just food for thought.)
1. Yes they are.
2. The Torah is the word of God. That is the teaching of the church.
3. The scripture itself says that scripture is not open to interpretation. The meaning it is taught as having is the same meaning it has had for thousands of years. Though, in history, there have a couple of people, who had no relationship with God, who erred in interpreting the scripture. Only in the 60's have people tried to claim that the bible could be interpreted what ever any person wanted it to say. That is why it is only recently that you have people twisting the word to say that abortion and homosexuality are sanctioned by the Bible when the fact is it isn't. It is also the reason why some are twisting the word to support their fantasy of a secret rapture. When the Bible warns against people claiming that Christ will come in secret. Actually, the reason that some people in the past and present have misread the scripture is because they have no connection to God. So that they are reading into the Bible their own prejudices. You cannot read the Bible unless you are close to God and God is telling you what they mean. (It's more complicated than that, but that's a simplification, I doubt any of you could understand what is really involved or what is necessary to get a correct reading)

I think it was a deemon, if anything. Why would the gosts contatc some random guy?

Just a nightmare.

Actually the Bible is "always right". If you are a christian then you have to believe the Bible is infallible.
The fact that you think it is wrong proves you are not a christian.
Your dream is interesting, but I don't see much point in discussing it with you if this is the extent of your beliefs.

boy are you gonna be embarrassed when you grow up and get a clue

Other: It was a dream. Some how some way it probably could be constrewed that you want to boink your mother. You can thank Freud for that one.

I had a wierd dream last night. I dreamed I was walking along outside. I was going to the store to get some snacks. I always walk to the store so that was normal. Next thing I know, I am in this building. There was this one guy there. He was in his late 20's early 30's it looked like. And has short curly blond hair and was white. He looked like a middle class person. He was looking out the window and he had something in his hand. I asked him where the exit was and he said through the stairs and he pointed at the stairwell. He said it in a weird manner too. I thought, "hmmm, that's odd". And I entered the stairwell to leave the building. And the stairs seemed to go down very very very far. But I had a sense of something being very wrong the minute I entered the stairwell. I thought, "this is bad, I should not be here. I am not supposed to be here." I had a feeling of impending crushing doom that just hit me. I looked down the stairs and they just kept going down. I take a few steps down the stairs and make the first winding turn and at this point I notice blood dripping down and in puddles on the floor of the stairs. Next thing I know I see a dismembered arm and other body parts, including a disembodied head. The look on the head had a look of horror on it but the eyes seemed to be looking right at me. At the point I decided "fuck this" and ran back up the stairs and back through the door. And the guy was still there. But he said something, I forgot the exact words but I sensed he had evil intentions. Next thing I know he pulls out this knife or boxcutter thing and starts jabbing at the air with it, in my direction and I'm jumping back out of the way of the knife. He seemed very angry and was saying something about being abandoned. I am trying to remember his words but I can't. I think it was something along the lines of "You people abandoned us. You stabbed us in the back." And I try to calm the guy down. Obviously he is upset about something.
Next thing I know, I am almost poked with a needle by this young asian woman who had long dark hair that was coifed. She looked in her 20's. She was wearing a white lab coat with a black shirt and black pants underneath. I had no idea what she had in the hypodermic needle and I had no intention of letting her poke in my arm.
I turn back toward the first guy to see what he was doing. And just as I turned back I see the asian chick push the needle in my direction again. And I stepped back to avoid the needle. I sensed evil from her.
So I am trying to avoid a knife and a needle. Next thing I wake up.

When I woke up I thought about it. But who the hell was the guy. I noticed his head was the same as the head on the stairwell. Now I am thinking, what the fuck was he?
At first I was thinking I just had dream from a malevolent spirit. Possibly satan. The dream itself was evil. Both the people in it intended to do me harm. Cause I woke up with fear and had much trouble going back to sleep.
Then, later today, I thought "didn't the WTC have a long flight of stairs?" "Didn't they have a lot upper middle class people working there?" "Didn't they find dismembered body parts at ground zero?" He looked like he worked for a major company. The boxcutters, isn't that what the terrorists used? Did I just make contact with a victim of 911? Who was the asian chick? Did they have any asian women in their 20's doing lab work in the WTC? Did they have labs there? What of the Pentagon? I had the sense she had some kind of weaponized virus in the hypodermic needle. Like she worked in biowarfare. Who were these people. Who ever they were they seem to be very angry.
Then a possibility came to my mind. The guy was someone who died in the WTC on 911. But the woman was not real. But being used to convey a major threat to the United States. I think the ghost or disembodied spirit was trying to say that China was going to launch a biological weapons attack on the United States. China being represented by the woman and bio weapons being represented by the needle. The attack by the fact that she kept trying to jab me and inject the shit into my arm. But there was no time frame given though.
So either I've been visited by a malicious spirit or I have made contact with the deceased of Sept 11. Who ever it was, it wants me to believe it was a ghost from 911. But I have a feeling it was really a malevolent spirit.

I leave it to you to comment on. Was it an evil spirit or was it the ghost of one of the victims of the WTC attacks? Please vote in the poll.
I hope you can see why I have reason to believe it is more likely to have been a demonic encounter.fun fun fun... dream interpretations can be soo fun.

interesting thing is the 'victims' chant of being abandoned. could it be something to do with the WTC? or the War on Terror? Could it be the planned pull out of Iraq? or the apparent abandonment of OBL?

the woman in the lab coat... a scientist working on WMD's? and the fact that she appeared behind you and seemed to attack from behind? an ally turning on you? or perhaps, WMD's that exist but never found.

Could it be China or Korea?

It was not a demon nor was it a 911 victim. Overactive imagination is what it was. Besides I don't know how you came up with the conclusion that it was somebody from China.

And even if your dream meant that would they be really that stupid to attack the U.S. They would just respond with nuclear weapons.

Umm..most likely China would use an independently funded special intrest group funded by the gov't to unleash a bio chem toxin in a major metropolis. A direct nuclear attack would result in nuclear holocaust because of the already unstable geo political structure. Believe me, even though China thinks we're are capitalist ba$tards they aren't stupid enough to take direct nuclear action. This is my opinion though, it's what most terrorist experts expect too, sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.

Umm..most likely China would use an independently funded special intrest group funded by the gov't to unleash a bio chem toxin in a major metropolis. A direct nuclear attack would result in nuclear holocaust because of the already unstable geo political structure. Believe me, even though China thinks we're are capitalist ba$tards they aren't stupid enough to take direct nuclear action. This is my opinion though, it's what most terrorist experts expect too, sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.


If a WMD attack happened anywhere the world would be fucked. There would be somebody who if they just suspected a certain country they then would attack them which would lead to WMD strikes all over the world.