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I have mentioned this in another thread, but no one has bitten and it's kinda irking me.

George W keeps on talking about any potential Katrina enquiry as follows:-

"We are going to investigate what went right and what went wrong"

Now, is it just me, but is he
(a) trying to imply, by putting it first, that what went right is more important and indeed
(b) trying to imply more went right?

Answers on a postcard to "cynical swine"

I have mentioned this in another thread, but no one has bitten and it's kinda irking me.

George W keeps on talking about any potential Katrina enquiry as follows:-

"We are going to investigate what went right and what went wrong"

Now, is it just me, but is he
(a) trying to imply, by putting it first, that what went right is more important and indeed
(b) trying to imply more went right?

Answers on a postcard to "cynical swine"

Cynical swine

you're a cynical swine. bush is much too dumb to imply anything ;)

Cynical swine

you're a cynical swine. bush is much too dumb to imply anything ;)

Heh. I would love to think so, but he keeps on repeating the same phrase. Now, someone has come up with that phrase and thinks it's a doozy. Karl Rove, probably.

Heh. I would love to think so, but he keeps on repeating the same phrase. Now, someone has come up with that phrase and thinks it's a doozy. Karl Rove, probably.

Seriously, "he" probably is trying to imply that there is more good than bad. I don't think it will work, because you can do so much more with tone and inflection than word order, and everyting I've heard from Bush implies he hasn't the oratory skills to acheive this.

"Right and wrong" is just what people naturally say, the common cliche, and to back meself up, I have:
0MG 73H PR00F!:
"I believe this is a matter of right and wrong and life and death." ~ Cindy Sheehan, talking about the war or some such shit.
"Protectionism, Right and Wrong" ~ Slate heading, negatively talking about protectionism
"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,160,000 for "right and wrong" ~ Google, no commentary needed, but someone would expect it, so here you go
"Results 1 - 10 of about 120,000 for "wrong and right" ~ Google again, no comment

So, can you please can the conspiracy theories for a little bit? Damn it, anti-Bushies are getting pretty ridiculous. Criticize him about something for which you have back up.

So, can you please can the conspiracy theories for a little bit? Damn it, anti-Bushies are getting pretty ridiculous. Criticize him about something for which you have back up.

All I'm saying is Bush is a bit dumb and not the greatest public speaker. Can't tell me those are unfounded.

"Right and wrong" is just what people naturally say, the common cliche, and to back meself up, I have:
0MG 73H PR00F!:
"I believe this is a matter of right and wrong and life and death." ~ Cindy Sheehan, talking about the war or some such shit.
"Protectionism, Right and Wrong" ~ Slate heading, negatively talking about protectionism
"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,160,000 for "right and wrong" ~ Google, no commentary needed, but someone would expect it, so here you go
"Results 1 - 10 of about 120,000 for "wrong and right" ~ Google again, no comment

So, can you please can the conspiracy theories for a little bit? Damn it, anti-Bushies are getting pretty ridiculous. Criticize him about something for which you have back up.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory, thanks. It's a note of media spin. Media spin has been employed throughout the ages. We are all aware it's there. The President employs Media advisors. No one is asking for an enquiry of "what went right" with the response to Katrina, so don't be so mendacious. They are asking for an enquiry into what went wrong. For him to say - more than once - "we are looking at what went right and what went wrong" when he should - more correcly - be saying "we will be looking at what went wrong" is media spin. I've never heard of an enquiry into things that went right, have you?

"Oh, millions of jobs have been created, the economy is booming and the federal deficit is nonexistent. I DEMAND AN ENQUIRY"

Purlease.

Conspiracy? No. Spin? Yes.

"Right and wrong" is just what people naturally say, the common cliche, and to back meself up, I have:
0MG 73H PR00F!:
"I believe this is a matter of right and wrong and life and death." ~ Cindy Sheehan, talking about the war or some such shit.
"Protectionism, Right and Wrong" ~ Slate heading, negatively talking about protectionism
"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,160,000 for "right and wrong" ~ Google, no commentary needed, but someone would expect it, so here you go
"Results 1 - 10 of about 120,000 for "wrong and right" ~ Google again, no comment

So, can you please can the conspiracy theories for a little bit? Damn it, anti-Bushies are getting pretty ridiculous. Criticize him about something for which you have back up.


The Sheehan point swings both ways: she believes life is right and death is wrong. And he didn't say "right and wrong" as a phrase.

It is not spin! It is a cliche, look at the Google results, on the Intarweb there are over 20 times as many "right and wrong" results and "wrong and right" results. This means that if Bush had said "wrong and right" he would be deviating from the norm, and then there might be something to look into, but he didn't and so there isn't.
You might as well start saying that "Since George Bush gave his speech in English he is implying that the English, in fact, made the disaster occur."
In summary: Quit trying to draw into things that aren't there.
In conclusion: Dammit, people, you are starting to look ridiculous.
In summary of the conclusion: U D00D5 = CR4ZY!

The Sheehan point swings both ways: she believes life is right and death is wrong. And he didn't say "right and wrong" as a phrase.
I am pointing out that "right" always comes before "wrong" it is a convention of the language. The good is usually listed first, "It is a matter of Life or Death", "This is about Right and Wrong", "Matters of Good and Evil are often debated by priests", "Now or never", "Fight or Die", "Peace not War", etc.

It is not spin! It is a cliche, look at the Google results, on the Intarweb there are over 20 times as many "right and wrong" results and "wrong and right" results. This means that if Bush had said "wrong and right" he would be deviating from the norm, and then there might be something to look into, but he didn't and so there isn't.
You might as well start saying that "Since George Bush gave his speech in English he is implying that the English, in fact, made the disaster occur."
In summary: Quit trying to draw into things that aren't there.
In conclusion: Dammit, people, you are starting to look ridiculous.
In summary of the conclusion: U D00D5 = CR4ZY!

He didn't say "what went right and wrong", he said "what went right and what went wrong". So your entire "objection" is fallacious. The point being, nobody is asking him for an enquiry into "what went right", so why keep mentioning it?

It's SPIN GODDAMMIT, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

That might be reading into the phrase a bit too much. I'll give you that word order does give a subtle hierarchy to the words used, such as putting "what went right" ahead of "what went wrong" would imply that it is more imprtant to focus on what went right.

That being said, I can't really credit either Bush or Rove with that much subtlety. Bush isn't smart enough for it, and Rove is more a redirection master than a subtle message type. So, good job on keeping alert, but I really don't think this is an effort to mislead.

It's SPIN GODDAMMIT, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?
This reminds me of those crazy people who think that man never landed on the moon, and how they pick upp moon photos and point out spare flecks of dust in the image and then get upset when you don't agree and start screaming "IT'S OBVIOUSLY FAKE, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE FAKE!??!" Then they start ranting about martians, so I spray them with mace and run like hell.

why dont you guys stop criticizing bush for one minute and look at the governor and mayor who did absolutely nothing

"Since George Bush gave his speech in English he is implying that the English, in fact, made the disaster occur."


"Damn, they're onto us!"

*Ahem*

Nah, I reckon its just another case of "If you say this you will look good in the public eye" - No Politician can ever resist that phrase.

i think that you can read stuff into any line that any person says that wasnt there intentionally and this is one of those cases in my opinion.

someone will probably connect what i just said about kennedy being assasinated(or some completely random thing like that)