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what is your stance on incest?

Poll coming....

EDIT: Oh, and PLEASE refrain from flaming and trolling... PLEASE keep things civil!

Very VERY NO!

Well my brother, cousin Bob, doesn't seem to mind it.....

Wife: Now Cletus, why did ya haf to park next to my parents?
Cletus: Now, Now, Hun, they're my parents too...

It's wrong for me, but if it's consensual, and between adults, it's none of my business what other people do. They really should not get pregnant, though...

Not no, but Hell No!

Her name's Brandine.

"Hey, I c'n see mah house frum here...HEY MA! GET AAF THE DANG ROOF!

EDIT: Oh, and I really don't care what you get up to, just keep it in mind that the chance of recessive genetic disorders becoming manifested is vastly increased due to the similarity of the parents' genes.

It's wrong for me, but if it's consensual, and between adults, it's none of my business what other people do. They really should not get pregnant, though...

My thoughts exactly...

It's wrong for me, but if it's consensual, and between adults, it's none of my business what other people do. They really should not get pregnant, though...

Yeah, that sums my feelings pretty well too.

Didn't we just do this like a week ago?

Not no, but Hell No!

I second that!

Didn't we just do this like a week ago?

A lot of things are repeated on this forum.

Didn't we just do this like a week ago?
That thread was just about cousins, if i remember correctly. this thread is about MOST incest.

It's wrong for me, but if it's consensual, and between adults, it's none of my business what other people do. They really should not get pregnant, though...

ditto.

repeated on this forum,

Didn't we just do this like a week ago?

echo...

Didn't we just do this like a week ago?

We did everything like a week ago.


The types of threads allowed have been cut down a lot, and everyone seems to like posting new threads on things rather than seeing if one on the topic already exists. The search button is magical, kids.

Well if ya sisters pretty

It's wrong for me, but if it's consensual, and between adults, it's none of my business what other people do. They really should not get pregnant, though...
Yeah I am of a simmilar oppinion

I'm not really fond of it, but if it is consensual and between adults and doesn't result in pregnancy, I don't believe it is necessary to enforce a law against it.

I'm going to have to go with a no. The risks associated with siblings having children are too great in my opinion. I don't agree with the "It's alright so long as they don't have children" argument as once a relatioship is allowed to start and people's emotions are involved, feelings change. People who have previously said they'd never have children change thier minds.

There's something about it that just strikes me as twisted if you see your brother/sister in that way. Now step-brothers and sisters, that's a different matter, but blood relations?

::shudder::

repeated on this forum,

Funny... :)

Eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwww. Yuck.

Definitely a great big NO. Maybe its some long standing instinctual or even a learned societal prejudice heavily against it that makes my stomach churn at the thought of it. Doesn't really matter to me. I think its just plain SICK to want to get it on with your immediate family members.

What I want to know is who the FCUK are the 2 people who actually voted yes?

NO NO and NO (vomits) there is a time for sexual exploration and there’s a time for your mum to come in a beat the crap out of you!

I'm going to have to go with a no. The risks associated with siblings having children are too great in my opinion. I don't agree with the "It's alright so long as they don't have children" argument as once a relatioship is allowed to start and people's emotions are involved, feelings change. People who have previously said they'd never have children change thier minds.

There's something about it that just strikes me as twisted if you see your brother/sister in that way. Now step-brothers and sisters, that's a different matter, but relations?

::shudder::

Yes, I agree, and my vote was......

HELL NO!!!!

What I want to know is who the FCUK are the 2 people who actually voted yes?

This is a public poll, so you can see who voted, you know.

Meh. Cigarettes and alcohol during pregnancy carry a higher risk of causing birth defects than a linear lineage. Not my cup of tea*, but as long as it's consenting adults, I don't see why it should be any sort of priority.


*I do have a smoking hot cousin, but she's not blood-related. Of course, remembering her when she was 3 isn't exactly sexy, either.

no no no no no no no no

non

niet

nagado

nagoes

run out of non english words for no

no (in spanish)

I come from a small country with several areas where it is very hard to leave (untill recently) and there are many genetic conditions as a result

no no no no no no no no

non

niet

nagado

nagoes

run out of non english words for no

no (in spanish)

nein

ahmo (Aztec)

不

No. Never. Ick.

Ick. :(

I still feel bad about the feelings I had for my step-daughter. :headbang:

Please somebody shoot me! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

don't wanna burn in hell.

I vote against. As said, genetic disorders are much more likely to happen, and please, don't you have enough ani.. err, humans unp[aired running around? ;)

Out of the question.

What the hell do I care if you like your sister? Just don't go telling me about it, okay?

I still feel bad about the feelings I had for my step-daughter. :headbang:
I know how you feel.

I feel bad about the feelings I had for your step-daughter too.

;)

Ick. :(

I still feel bad about the feelings I had for my step-daughter. :headbang:

Please somebody shoot me! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

don't wanna burn in hell.

You won't burn in hell. Not as long as you don't do it again!

Someone else voted yes! What kind of stupid, sick dumbass would think it ok?

Incest people---> :fluffle: :mp5: <----- me

Well, for those of us that care, Leviticus pretty much nixes incest. That book lists a whole lot of family members that you shouldn't have sex with.

Well, for those of us that care, Leviticus pretty much nixes incest. That book lists a whole lot of family members that you shouldn't have sex with.
Leviticus also nixes shrimp (Lev 11:9-12).

GOD HATES SHRIMP (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/)

BlueTiger']What the hell do I care if you like your sister? Just don't go telling me about it, okay?


Ex-bloody-actly....couldn't have said it better.

what is your stance on incest?

Poll coming....
It's fun.... ;)

Who cares if you are brother/sister, etc... if you love each other that way then fine. If all you care about is the sex, that is fine to. As long as all this is consentual then there is no problem. You may not like your sister that way, but you have no right telling anyone else that they cannot have those feelings.

what 2 consenting adults do is their own business.people just need to get over the initial knee jerk ick reaction and think about the issue

this sort of act is anti-civilization so there for should be discouraged. this is being looked at simply from a potential offspring defect stance.

no no no no no no no no

non

niet

nagado

nagoes

run out of non english words for no

no (in spanish)

I come from a small country with several areas where it is very hard to leave (untill recently) and there are many genetic conditions as a result

"several areas where it is very hard to leave"?

Assuming by your name you are Welsh...Do you live in the same Wales as i do? Because if you do, then you should check out the history of welsh migration.

And tell me about the genetic conditions. I haven't seen much evidence of them.

I don't see why people should complain about genetic defects arising as a result of incest. There's plenty around that haven't arisen because of incest, so why focus on them? Just let people do what the hell they want. While we're at it - bigamy and polygamy, yay or nay?

I don't see why people should complain about genetic defects arising as a result of incest. There's plenty around that haven't arisen because of incest, so why focus on them? Just let people do what the hell they want. While we're at it - bigamy and polygamy, yay or nay?

Polygamy is a yes if the reasons are more for relatioship reasons and not just sex (if it is about sex only don't get married). Bigamy is the same thing, just the criminal term used for it. This country has to overcome its sexual taboos.

And for all those arguing against incest on genetic/natural grounds, then you MUST be against homosexuality because nature intended sex for reproduction and same sex couples cannot reproduce.

I don't see why people should complain about genetic defects arising as a result of incest. There's plenty around that haven't arisen because of incest, so why focus on them? Just let people do what the hell they want. While we're at it - bigamy and polygamy, yay or nay?

yay.why not have multiple husbands and wives?as far as genetics is concerned its good fro humanity in general that men have many children with many different women,to increase the possibility of a beneficial genetic mutation to occur.

Who cares if you are brother/sister, etc... if you love each other that way then fine. If all you care about is the sex, that is fine to. As long as all this is consentual then there is no problem. You may not like your sister that way, but you have no right telling anyone else that they cannot have those feelings.
Well said! :)

I think I'll put it in my sig...

It's fun.... ;)

Even if that is sarcasm it's so wrong it bears mentioning...

Just plain no, nein, nyet, ninsky, no(spanish version), etc, ad infinitum.

Well said! :)

I think I'll put it in my sig...


This is so disgusting it deserves modding. Your sex life(or lack thereof) with your siblings, cousins, etc, is not something to put opn a public forum, period.

This is so disgusting it deserves modding. Your sex life(or lack thereof) with your siblings, cousins, etc, is not something to put opn a public forum, period.

Let's ban personal feelings and beliefs on the forums! Oh, wait...

This is so disgusting it deserves modding. Your sex life(or lack thereof) with your siblings, cousins, etc, is not something to put opn a public forum, period.

it has nothing to do with his sex life,the idea is you cant tell someone not to feel something.

This is so disgusting it deserves modding. Your sex life(or lack thereof) with your siblings, cousins, etc, is not something to put opn a public forum, period.

You want to run to the mods for this? That's just sad.

What is the problem here? What is truly the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your sister and a hot woman who is not? Yes, DNA is much more similar so what? I don't base decisions on DNA relations, I base them on personality and appearance. Everything else is mute.

The only thing all of you naysayers have a problem with is a perception: "She is my sister, ewww."

it has nothing to do with his sex life,the idea is you cant tell someone not to feel something.

Sure you can, we tell. people not to feel angry, or hurt, or slighted, or any of a few dozen other emotions all the time, why can't we say that having sex with your sister is something you shouldn't want to do?

All the people against it, can any provide any logical answer other than "it's icky"?

The only one that comes close is what someone said about children; it's easy enough to say you won't have children but it might not be easy to stick to that as your relationship develops.

Urgh… I am not okay with incest. I stand by the genepool reason, and I don't disapprove of homosexuality on the same grounds, because they're not reproducing and therefore aren't meddling with the genepool.
Did you know that apparently our family members exude an olifactory aura that subconsciously means we aren't as attracted to them as we are to other people? Interesting. Presumably, a natural device to prevent incest.
Oh, and polygamy is a no-no… population disparity.
[EDIT/] Incest also makes family trees very complicated. And "icky" can sometimes be a good indicator of whether something's a good idea; we all feel icky about falling down a mountain and snapping our spines, don't we?

What is the problem here? What is truly the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your sister and a hot woman who is not? Yes, DNA is much more similar so what? I don't base decisions on DNA relations, I base them on personality and appearance. Everything else is mute.

The only thing all of you naysayers have a problem with is a perception: "She is my sister, ewww."

No, she's not just my sister, she's also a person who has a 100% higher chance of genetic defects(assuming they run in the family) in her children if they're mine. Reason is much more importanat than love in this case, and actually, I can't see how you'd father children on your sibling anyway with the risks that entails, noit if you "love" her.

I always used to love the adverts:-

"Incest: The Game all the family can play"

And for all those arguing against incest on genetic/natural grounds, then you MUST be against homosexuality because nature intended sex for reproduction and same sex couples cannot reproduce.Wrong. One has NOTHING to do with the other. :rolleyes:

actually, I can't see how you'd father children on your sibling anyway with the risks that entails, noit if you "love" her.

Well, if you know you aren't a carrier for any genetic diseases, then the only risks are those of freak mutations, which aren't that high anyway (about 4%)

I always used to love the adverts:-

"Incest: The Game all the family can play"

ROTFLMAO!

Sure you can, we tell. people not to feel angry, or hurt, or slighted, or any of a few dozen other emotions all the time, why can't we say that having sex with your sister is something you shouldn't want to do?

shouldn't perhaps,but not can't.and even if you could,what difference would it make?telling someone not to feel attracted to their brother/sister wont stop them,it'll only make them feel bad about it.for all the difference it makes you could just tell people they shouldnt be that tall

What is the problem here? What is truly the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your sister and a hot woman who is not? Yes, DNA is much more similar so what? I don't base decisions on DNA relations, I base them on personality and appearance. Everything else is mute.

The only thing all of you naysayers have a problem with is a perception: "She is my sister, ewww."

Yes, and you know child molestors base their decisions on personality and appearance too. After all what truly is the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your three year old daughter and a hot woman who does not? Don't be a naysayer: child molestation is OK!

Same with sex with animals!

Everything else is mute, only personality and appearance matter! Rallying cry of perverts and sickos everywhere...

Yes, and you know child molestors base their decisions on personality and appearance too. After all what truly is the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your three year old daughter and a hot woman who does not? Don't be a naysayer: child molestation is OK!

Same with sex with animals!

Everything else is mute, only personality and appearance matter! Rallying cry of perverts and sickos everywhere...

That is very well put.

telling someone not to feel attracted to their brother/sister wont stop them,it'll only make them feel bad about it.for all the difference it makes you could just tell people they shouldnt be that tall

Yes, but when it comes to acting on that attraction (which I doubt is the product of a healthy sexuality in the first place), there are incest and statuatory rape laws. Not to mention a social taboo..., which seems unfortunately to be weakening in the face of the "fuck anything/anyone you want" belief.

I'm fine with it so long as the following conditions are met;

-No product of the unholy coupling(ie. no knocking your sister up)
-I get to watch.

Yes, and you know child molestors base their decisions on personality and appearance too. After all what truly is the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your three year old daughter and a hot woman who does not? Don't be a naysayer: child molestation is OK!

Same with sex with animals!

Everything else is mute, only personality and appearance matter! Rallying cry of perverts and sickos everywhere...

do i detect a hint of sarcasm?the difference between incest and child molestation is incest involves 2 consenting adults(at least the type i and others are saying is ok).child molestation does not,nor does sex with animals.

what is it you find attractive in girls/guys?personality?appearance?hey look you're following the perverts and sickos.you must be one too.

Yes, but when it comes to acting on that attraction (which I doubt is the product of a healthy sexuality in the first place), there are incest and statuatory rape laws. Not to mention a social taboo..., which seems unfortunately to be weakening in the face of the "fuck anything/anyone you want" belief.

yes,of course.if everyone acted on their attractions the number of sexual crimes would be insanely higher than it is now.

and i think almost all social taboo's will fall eventually.as most of them seem to be backed up by nothing other than 'its just not done'

what is it you find attractive in girls/guys?personality?appearance?hey look you're following the perverts and sickos.you must be one too.

Nice. Very nice.

What is the problem here? What is truly the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your sister and a hot woman who is not? Yes, DNA is much more similar so what? I don't base decisions on DNA relations, I base them on personality and appearance. Everything else is mute.

The only thing all of you naysayers have a problem with is a perception: "She is my sister, ewww."
yeah some things are just wrong

there are plenty of women in the world. you dont need to fuck your sister. you dont need to fuck your mother. you dont need to fuck your daughter. go find someone else

incestual relationships are based on manipulation (except for ones like oedipus but he was being manipulated by the gods). the more powerful person manipulates or forces the weaker into a sexual relationship. when its inside the family, its very hard to get away from. it needs a strong social and legal taboo

Sure you can, we tell. people not to feel angry, or hurt, or slighted, or any of a few dozen other emotions all the time, why can't we say that having sex with your sister is something you shouldn't want to do?

You tell me not to be angry that will just piss me off even more. My life, my emotion, my choices.

Wrong. One has NOTHING to do with the other. :rolleyes:

If you use nature to argue against one you cannot say nature does not go against the other. If you try to do this you are doing nothing more than pushing what you feel is "wrong" and "right" and what is natural and unnatural.

yay.why not have multiple husbands and wives?as far as genetics is concerned its good fro humanity in general that men have many children with many different women,to increase the possibility of a beneficial genetic mutation to occur.
i think you have it around the wrong way. we dont want certain powerful/attractive/wellhung men hogging all the women. it should be that WOMEN have their children with different MEN for the reasons stated above.

You know you're fucked when after swearing at your auntie, your Dad says "Don't talk to your mother like that?"

Big no no!

do i detect a hint of sarcasm?the difference between incest and child molestation is incest involves 2 consenting adults(at least the type i and others are saying is ok).child molestation does not,nor does sex with animals.

what is it you find attractive in girls/guys?personality?appearance?hey look you're following the perverts and sickos.you must be one too.

Of course I don't engage in criminal behavior by acting on my attraction. Just a minor difference I suppose.

And who are you to say animals or children can't consent, eh? If you think a brother and sister can be consenting when they engage in incest you may as well believe me if I say my three year old daughter said yes.

And this topic didnt say "Incest but only between consenting family members of age." It said "incest," of which child molestation makes up the large part. I suspect folks here want to allow "incest" just so they can search for "brother and sister fucking" porn and not feel like the FBI is watching you, but what you'll end up doing - if you got your way - is far worse.

and i think almost all social taboo's will fall eventually.as most of them seem to be backed up by nothing other than 'its just not done'

That's the nature of a taboo, and thats how its always worked. They will fail only because community and family values will fail to reinforce any kind of morality whatsoever.

It;s enough to turn a guy religious and start praying for Jesus to come back and cleanse all this perverted shit from humanity's record.

Yes, and you know child molestors base their decisions on personality and appearance too. After all what truly is the difference between a hot woman who happens to be your three year old daughter and a hot woman who does not? Don't be a naysayer: child molestation is OK!

Same with sex with animals!

Everything else is mute, only personality and appearance matter! Rallying cry of perverts and sickos everywhere...

Did you not see my early post which said CONSENT is a must. If you did and just ignored it, shame on you.

And for all those arguing against incest on genetic/natural grounds, then you MUST be against homosexuality because nature intended sex for reproduction and same sex couples cannot reproduce.

The genetic grounds against incest are about the increased risk of disease and mutation.

In fact, if you're arguing that incest is wrong because of that, you should be pro-homosexuality, since it has a guaranteed 0% risk of defective offspring! :p

yeah some things are just wrong

there are plenty of women in the world. you dont need to fuck your sister. you dont need to fuck your mother. you dont need to fuck your daughter. go find someone else

incestual relationships are based on manipulation (except for ones like oedipus but he was being manipulated by the gods). the more powerful person manipulates or forces the weaker into a sexual relationship. when its inside the family, its very hard to get away from. it needs a strong social and legal taboo


not all incestuous relationships are based on manipulation,thats stereotyping.nor will the children automatically be mentally deficient in some way.there is an increased risk of the child having a genetic defect.but that risk is only present if you(ie you and the person you are having a child with) both carry that gene.

and its not about who you need to 'fuck' its about who you want to 'fuck'

You know you're fucked when after swearing at your auntie, your Dad says "Don't talk to your mother like that?"

Big no no!

This happened to you, didn't it?

yeah some things are just wrong

there are plenty of women in the world. you dont need to fuck your sister. you dont need to fuck your mother. you dont need to fuck your daughter. go find someone else

incestual relationships are based on manipulation (except for ones like oedipus but he was being manipulated by the gods). the more powerful person manipulates or forces the weaker into a sexual relationship. when its inside the family, its very hard to get away from. it needs a strong social and legal taboo

Give me proof that the majority of incestual relationships are of this nature. If you will notice, most of society frowns upon incest so I doubt most of those who have had incestual relations have admitted it. All you have is conjecture at what incestual relationships are. Remember, it was thought that all interracial relationships were forced on the white participant.

Yeah, that sums my feelings pretty well too.


i think it is a bit too weird/gross personally,however....whatever floats your boat i guess.
as long as it is between consenting adults,AND THERE IS NOT COERCION INVOLVED...then have at it..none of my biz

:gundge:

Give me proof that the majority of incestual relationships are of this nature. If you will notice, most of society frowns upon incest so I doubt most of those who have had incestual relations have admitted it. All you have is conjecture at what incestual relationships are. Remember, it was thought that all interracial relationships were forced on the white participant.

give me proof that ANY arent.

Incest is a bad crime, relative to others. ;)

not all incestuous relationships are based on manipulation,thats stereotyping.nor will the children automatically be mentally deficient in some way.there is an increased risk of the child having a genetic defect.but that risk is only present if you(ie you and the person you are having a child with) both carry that gene.

and its not about who you need to 'fuck' its about who you want to 'fuck'
if its just WANT. then keep it to yourself and leave your sister alone.

the only incestuous relationships that arent based on manipulation are the ones where the people were raised apart with no knowledge of being related.
yeah, you can fall in love with the sister who was adopted out of your family

or do you think that little suzie really really wants to have daddy sneak into her room at night?

give me proof that ANY arent.

Let's ban something because there is at least one instance of abuse... man is that attitude pitiful. No sex, no games, no TV, no sports, no books, no driving, no drinking, no sleeping... we should ban all sex because there are rapes, we should ban games because some unhinged idiot can't tell reality from fantays (same for TV, movies, and books), should ban sports because they promote violence, ban driving because of the drunks who get behind the weel, and ban sleeping because Joe fell asleep behind the wheel and caused and accident.

There is abuse in incestual relationships, just as in normal ones, but prove to me that it is the norm.

I think incest is totally gross. If you genuinely accept incest then hey why not open the doors on beastiality for pete's sake. Incest is illegal in all decent nations as is beastiality. Frankly anyone that practices either should be shot in my humble opinion. :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge: :mad:

And who are you to say animals or children can't consent, eh? If you think a brother and sister can be consenting when they engage in incest you may as well believe me if I say my three year old daughter said yes.

who am i?im the person that said two consenting adults,a child is not an adult,animals cannot consent in anyway we can understand.unless you are dr.dolittle.

And this topic didnt say "Incest but only between consenting family members of age." It said "incest," of which child molestation makes up the large part. I suspect folks here want to allow "incest" just so they can search for "brother and sister fucking" porn and not feel like the FBI is watching you, but what you'll end up doing - if you got your way - is far worse.
i resent the implication that i want to look up 'brother and sister fucking porn'.if i got my way consenting adults would be allowed have sex without fear of criminilization(sp?)

anyway what is this 'far worse' thing that will happen if what i just said comes to pass?


It;s enough to turn a guy religious and start praying for Jesus to come back and cleanse all this perverted shit from humanity's record.

*shudders at the thought*if jesus does come back and 'cleanse this perverted shit from humanities record' all the LGBT people will be royally fucked.how unfair.

I think incest is totally gross. If you genuinely accept incest then hey why not open the doors on beastiality for pete's sake. Incest is illegal in all decent nations as is beastiality. Frankly anyone that practices either should be shot in my humble opinion. :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge: :mad:

You realise most "decent" nations allow freedom to express opinions without that person being shot, right?

Let's ban something because there is at least one instance of abuse... man is that attitude pitiful. No sex, no games, no TV, no sports, no books, no driving, no drinking, no sleeping... we should ban all sex because there are rapes, we should ban games because some unhinged idiot can't tell reality from fantays (same for TV, movies, and books), should ban sports because they promote violence, ban driving because of the drunks who get behind the weel, and ban sleeping because Joe fell asleep behind the wheel and caused and accident.

There is abuse in incestual relationships, just as in normal ones, but prove to me that it is the norm.
it is ONE instance of abuse its many thousands.

you think there is a NORM of incest?? the norm of incest is daddy visiting suzie in the middle of the night.

have you found ONE yet?

if its just WANT. then keep it to yourself and leave your sister alone.

the only incestuous relationships that arent based on manipulation are the ones where the people were raised apart with no knowledge of being related.
yeah, you can fall in love with the sister who was adopted out of your family

or do you think that little suzie really really wants to have daddy sneak into her room at night?


please dont imply im raping my sister.and stop trying to interchange incest between 2 consenting adults and parents abusing children,the two are similar i admit(but only in the fact that the two people involved are related and in no other way).similar,but not interchangeable

you think there is a NORM of incest?? the norm of incest is daddy visiting suzie in the middle of the night.

of course there is a norm for incest,theres a norm for anything and everything.theres a norm in the order in which people put on their shoes.

and see above for the suzie comment.


oh and you do of course realise there are thousands of cases of abuse in every type of relationship,that doesnt mean all of them are,as someone said already

I think incest is totally gross. If you genuinely accept incest then hey why not open the doors on beastiality for pete's sake. Incest is illegal in all decent nations as is beastiality. Frankly anyone that practices either should be shot in my humble opinion. :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge: :mad:

Yes, why not? Hmmm, maybe it's because animals can't consent.

In most decent nations, so is shooting people.

the two are similar i admit(but only in the fact that the two people involved are related and in no other way).

Plus, you know, there's sex in both. :p

it is ONE instance of abuse its many thousands.

you think there is a NORM of incest?? the norm of incest is daddy visiting suzie in the middle of the night.

have you found ONE yet?

READ MY POSTS! Most people engaged in consentual incestual relations are not going to come foward due to society's backwards taboos. And why would they come foward anyway? After each and every sexual encounter due you shout to the world "I had sex with Susie!"?

please dont imply im raping my sister.and stop trying to interchange incest between 2 consenting adults and parents abusing children,the two are similar i admit(but only in the fact that the two people involved are related and in no other way).similar,but not interchangeable
i would never imply such a vile thing of you

i dont know why you think that there is an appreciable number of consenting related adults who want to have sex with each other for anything resembling a good reason.

to take it out of the realm of reality, which IS the manipulation of the weaker person by the stronger. not always the male manipulating the female and not always heterosexual, is to make it seem somehow OK. its not OK.

Plus, you know, there's sex in both. :p

lol,true i guess there is. :p

I don't really care... but I don't want my nation filled with idiots who got married off to their family members.

;) I want the human race to remain smart!!!

READ MY POSTS! Most people engaged in consentual incestual relations are not going to come foward due to society's backwards taboos. And why would they come foward anyway? After each and every sexual encounter due you shout to the world "I had sex with Susie!"?
i do not know where you live but where i come from independant sane adults dont fuck their sisters. they arent interestsed and their sisters arent interested.

i assume you dont have a sister or you would know what i mean.

i would never imply such a vile thing of you

thank you

i dont know why you think that there is an appreciable number of consenting related adults who want to have sex with each other for anything resembling a good reason.

the point is that people should be allowed have consentual sex with their realtions if they so choose(and if both are above the legal age).actually i doubt there are that many

i do not know where you live but where i come from independant sane adults dont fuck their sisters.

OMG TROLL!!!

;) I want the human race to remain smart!!!

Wait, when did the human race get smart?

O, so I see, I must be insane if I love my sister that way. No sane person whould act this way. It just isn't right. Or if you like "If you don't agree with me your just stupid"

I know quite a few people who are lucid, sane, and intelligent who have had and still are having relations with a family member. Your response has been said throughout history too many times to take seriously as a response. Please come back when you actually desire to have an intelligent conversation.

who am i?im the person that said two consenting adults,a child is not an adult,animals cannot consent in anyway we can understand.unless you are dr.dolittle.

...and there are plenty who think what I consider a child IS an adult.

i resent the implication that i want to look up 'brother and sister fucking porn'.if i got my way consenting adults would be allowed have sex without fear of criminilization(sp?)

This all depends on the exact definition of "consent." One might see lack of disapproval as 'consent' by dictionary definition, does that mean having sex with a dog who just sits there and doesnt make a fuss is consentual sex? Lets assume it was an adult dog, too.

anyway what is this 'far worse' thing that will happen if what i just said comes to pass?

Well, the erosion of all family and community values. As I said. That was supposed to be self-evidently a Bad Thing, but... sigh, I guess its not self evident anymore.

And I hate to go back to the OP again and again like this, but you people are defening, it seems, all incest. That is presumably why you voted you didnt have a problem with it. Well, child molestation within the family is incest, and I'd bet my left foot that actually consenting, knowledgable, uncoerced, adult sex between two healthy family members is by far the rarity in comparison.

Wait, when did the human race get smart?

LOL well I would like them to stay less dumb ;)
As long as incest members don't create children I'm fine with that.... :D

...and there are plenty who think what I consider a child IS an adult.



This all depends on the exact definition of "consent." One might see lack of disapproval as 'consent' by dictionary definition, does that mean having sex with a dog who just sits there and doesnt make a fuss is consentual sex? Lets assume it was an adult dog, too.



Well, the erosion of all family and community values. As I said. That was supposed to be self-evidently a Bad Thing, but... sigh, I guess its not self evident anymore.

And I hate to go back to the OP again and again like this, but you people are defening, it seems, all incest. That is presumably why you voted you didnt have a problem with it. Well, child molestation within the family is incest, and I'd bet my left foot that actually consenting, knowledgable, uncoerced, adult sex between two healthy family members is by far the rarity in comparison.

Even if consentual relations are a rarity it should not be outlawed, it is not like it is going to stop those already breaking the law by molesting children and raping others. I am defending consentual incest just as I would consensual sex between two unrelated people, just because I defend either of those means I defend such acts as rape and molestation.

This happened to you, didn't it?

Shhh.

O, so I see, I must be insane if I love my sister that way. No sane person whould act this way. It just isn't right. Or if you like "If you don't agree with me your just stupid"

I know quite a few people who are lucid, sane, and intelligent who have had and still are having relations with a family member. Your response has been said throughout history too many times to take seriously as a response. Please come back when you actually desire to have an intelligent conversation.
you are telling me that you know people who are in a serious sexual relationship a sibling they grew up with, their mother or their father?

and you think thats FINE?

thanks for deciding not to talk to me any more.

Shhh.

Your secret is safe with me. :p ;)

you are telling me that you know people who are in a serious sexual relationship a sibling they grew up with, their mother or their father?

and you think thats FINE?

thanks for deciding not to talk to me any more.

*Applause*

Seriously though, if anybody is in an incestuous relationship, they have a seriously fucked up family!!

May be worth a google image search though ;) ...

It's really, really sick but it's not exactly what most people do. If it's consenting adults, then it's not really my business.

Although if I was P.M. repealing incest laws wouldn't be the first thing that I did. Better things to worry about, I think...

Incest offends you. That is your only reason.

But, guess what? Many civilised countries protect many acts, expressions, and opinions that offend many different people. Being offensive does not mean that something is illegal.

I am offended of homesexual actions, but I could care less if it is illegal or not. As long as no person forces me or anyone else to watch or participate I don't care what two or three or four or five hundred consenting people do with each other.

Wow... this touched a nerv, didn't it?

The problem I have with incest is one of power. Since we're talking (usually) about people who have grown up together in some form or another, power in the relationship is unequal.

For example, if an older brother/younger sister start a relationship like that, would their shared history have an effect on that relationship? Yeah, it would. This unequal power relationship is formed when you're growing up and therefore is bound into who you are. Contrast that with the sexual relationship/partnerships that most people enter into, they are done (hopefully) during late adolence/early adulthood, when the sense of self is much, much stronger.

So, while I agree that with concenting adults is all well and good, but it's the 'concent' that I would challenge.

That "power" is a slight worry, but for me it is not worrisome enough to warrant outlawing the entire relationship. One can argue that there is still some sexist power in nearly every male/female relationship in which the man has manipulative power. And this power theory may not hold for a majority of older/younger sibling relatioships in terms of sexual intercourse.

That "power" is a slight worry, but for me it is not worrisome enough to warrant outlawing the entire relationship. One can argue that there is still some sexist power in nearly every male/female relationship in which the man has manipulative power. And this power theory may not hold for a majority of older/younger sibling relatioships in terms of sexual intercourse.
Oh I never said outlawing, I am just worried that concent might be more forced due to the family power structure, as well as the ability to walk away from it if it sours, also due to family power structure. And it does exsist in every family relationship where an older realative cared for a younger one, or had some power over them, when the younger was growing up (how else do parents keep being able to jerk us up short even if we are adults? ;) ).

If it is truely concenting, and both parties are aware of the power difficulties, it ain't any of my buisness. I would be more concerned that any realtionship that is NOT aware of it cannot be said to be concensual.

Though yes, the power problem is also in more traditional relationships, but again, we enter into those when we are much more sure of our own identies and therefore can, normally, reconize and pull out... eventually.

I agree, full awareness and consent of the situation is necessary. Once this is accomplished, I do not see the problem with letting people do what they wish.

I've no problem with it. What goes on with two consenting individuals is between them.

what is your stance on incest?


Oh look, it doesn't say consentual incest between two adults. It just says incest. Incest includes all forms of child molestation between you and, for example, your uncle joe.

So none of you who voted no have a problem with child molestation as long as it's within the family.

Oh look, it doesn't say consentual incest between two adults. It just says incest. Incest includes all forms of child molestation between you and, for example, your uncle joe.

So none of you who voted no have a problem with child molestation as long as it's within the family.

Just like sex includes rape.

Read my posts. I am okay with incest if it is consentual. Just like I am okay with sex if it is consensual. I like sex, but I do not condone rape.

Oh look, it doesn't say consentual incest between two adults. It just says incest. Incest includes all forms of child molestation between you and, for example, your uncle joe.

So none of you who voted no have a problem with child molestation as long as it's within the family.
Um, Santa Barbara, I have to agree with The Eidalons on this, that's a very weak strawman you just constructed.

I'm going to have to go with a no. The risks associated with siblings having children are too great in my opinion.
The biggest risk is the kids will have to call mum aunty mum and dad uncle dad.... ;)

I don't agree with the "It's alright so long as they don't have children" argument as once a relatioship is allowed to start and people's emotions are involved, feelings change. People who have previously said they'd never have children change thier minds.

There's something about it that just strikes me as twisted if you see your brother/sister in that way. Now step-brothers and sisters, that's a different matter, but blood relations?

::shudder::
Why? I find it icky, but I am aware that is simply the result of socialisation; the ickyness I percieve is a result of 'training' - it's a learned response.

this sort of act is anti-civilization so there for should be discouraged. this is being looked at simply from a potential offspring defect stance.
Urban myth. The risks associated with many reproductive practises (such as delayed reproduction) is far greater than that associated with close blood reletives reproducing with each other. Are we going to pass laws preventing women who are over 30 reproducing? No because the increased risk of birth defects is considered acceptable, and yet it is higher than the increased risk of birth defects that stems from blood relatives reproducing together.

Urgh… I am not okay with incest. I stand by the genepool reason, and I don't disapprove of homosexuality on the same grounds, because they're not reproducing and therefore aren't meddling with the genepool.
What gene pool reason? Would you ban coffee, that presents a much greater risk to the gene pool than does incest?

she's also a person who has a 100% higher chance of genetic defects(assuming they run in the family) in her children if they're mine.
Source? I dont believe that your assertion is true, in fact I am 100% confident that it is untrue.

This all depends on the exact definition of "consent." One might see lack of disapproval as 'consent' by dictionary definition, does that mean having sex with a dog who just sits there and doesnt make a fuss is consentual sex? Lets assume it was an adult dog, too.
One might, but in this context their definition would be irrelevent. When it comes to legal consent (the materially relevent consent when discussing the legality of sexual relations), a dog cannot consent. Whatever semantic games people choose to play, the fact is there is already a definition of consent with regards to the legality of sexual contact, and that definition excludes dogs from being able to consent.

I'm not comfortable with incest, but I am less comfortable with arresting consenting adults for no more reason than they chose to have sex with each other.

...and there are plenty who think what I consider a child IS an adult.



This all depends on the exact definition of "consent." One might see lack of disapproval as 'consent' by dictionary definition, does that mean having sex with a dog who just sits there and doesnt make a fuss is consentual sex? Lets assume it was an adult dog, too.



Well, the erosion of all family and community values. As I said. That was supposed to be self-evidently a Bad Thing, but... sigh, I guess its not self evident anymore.

And I hate to go back to the OP again and again like this, but you people are defening, it seems, all incest. That is presumably why you voted you didnt have a problem with it. Well, child molestation within the family is incest, and I'd bet my left foot that actually consenting, knowledgable, uncoerced, adult sex between two healthy family members is by far the rarity in comparison.

Hmm, some people here are emotive...

Let me take a random guess: have you or someone dear to you been through an abusive incestual relationship? Feel free not to answer, but in my experience, when people get so angry at an issue all of a sudden (and resist like this to the arguments who go against them), it's because they've been affected by this issue in one way or another... so, that would explain a lot if my random guess was actually right.



But let's try to put it clearly. If you want to really answer this question you have to do the following things:

-Define if sex is only for procreation or not. If it is not, then that means that those who argue only on the possible defects of possible children are missing the point, since it has been defined sex can be for something else for procreation, whether it is pleasure, love, or whatever. If on the other hand, you can prove that sex is only for procreation (good luck with that), then I guess that would mean they are right.

-Define what makes someone an adult, not only from a biological point of view, but also from a psychological one. In fact, it's: define maturity. How can you truly determine if someone is mature enough to make choices for themselves (and it can't possibly be only because of an arbitrary number, I know some kids -- like around 10 years old -- who can make extremely logical decisions and statements while I've seen 50 years old people acting spoiled and the like).

-Define consent, which is linked to maturity (after all, the argument for the "legal age of consent" is that, while it is only an arbitrary number, it means in fact that the society thinks that under a certain age people are totally incapable of making mature decisions, which is, IMHO, false. So that means that yes, depending on your definition of maturity, some adults (adults according to their age) wouldn't have the "ability" to consent, while some children (children according to their age) would.

-Determine the consequences (if there are any) of incest. Just the act itself. After all, in a *consensual* incestual relationship between two *adults* (according to the previous definitions), chances are the psychological damage is caused mostly (if not completely) by the taboos present in our society.

-Then, finally, you can truly say if incest is acceptable or not.

Have fun! :)

The problem I have with incest is one of power. Since we're talking (usually) about people who have grown up together in some form or another, power in the relationship is unequal.

Why is that? Are you implying that every kind of relationship between siblings is one of dominant/dominated?

For example, if an older brother/younger sister start a relationship like that, would their shared history have an effect on that relationship? Yeah, it would. This unequal power relationship is formed when you're growing up and therefore is bound into who you are.

If I understand correctly, according to you, that would mean that two childhood friends who grow up together can't form any relationship other than dominant/dominated? Just because they grew up together and one might be older that the other?

Could you clarify this, please?

I can't believe over half the voters are "not okay with it". Sure, I'd be grossed out to imagine it for myself, but as far as I'm concerned mutual consent = no problem.

Um, Santa Barbara, I have to agree with The Eidalons on this, that's a very weak strawman you just constructed.

Its a strawman if 93 people are not "okay with" or apathetic about incest.

Hmm, some people here are emotive...

Let me take a random guess: have you or someone dear to you been through an abusive incestual relationship? Feel free not to answer, but in my experience, when people get so angry at an issue all of a sudden (and resist like this to the arguments who go against them), it's because they've been affected by this issue in one way or another... so, that would explain a lot if my random guess was actually right.

It is you who are assuming I'm angry. And that it has to do with something personal. And that that matters in an argument.

<snip>

Then, finally, you can truly say if incest is acceptable or not.

Actually, I can truly say whether or not I accept incest without having to define terms no one else has bothered to define.


Let me ask you all something. Let's pretend you're a parent. Let's pretend you raise your kids normally and nothing happens. Then one day when they're 12, your son and daughter start fucking each other up the ass. You are..

A) Perfectly OK with it
B) A bit disturbed and wish to change it
C) Greasing up and joining in

Maybe it would help to clarify your actual positions on the matter instead of some vague hypotheticals involving shaky definitions and theoretical incest relationships not having to do with you.

Let me ask you all something. Let's pretend you're a parent. Let's pretend you raise your kids normally and nothing happens. Then one day when they're 12, your son and daughter start fucking each other up the ass. You are..
I think you are missing the point, most of the people who have said that they are okay with it, have added the condition of only if it is between consenting adults which is something that you're scenario does not address.
And by the way I also am okay with it, as long as it is between consenting adults.

I think you are missing the point, most of the people who have said that they are okay with it, have added the condition of only if it is between consenting adults which is something that you're scenario does not address.
And by the way I also am okay with it, as long as it is between consenting adults.

Oh ok. And lets say 12 year olds are adults.

Or fine, if you insist - lets say they're actually 16. Or 17.

And you'd be OK with it? Are you a parent now? Maybe its just me, but I'm finding it hard to believe you'd be so blase in this scenario.

Just like sex includes rape.

Read my posts. I am okay with incest if it is consentual. Just like I am okay with sex if it is consensual. I like sex, but I do not condone rape.
Exactly the same here.

And yes, i admit to forgetting to type in "consentual" in the first post. My bad.

And you'd be OK with it?
If they are consenting adults, yes
Are you a parent now?
Yes I am.
Maybe its just me, but I'm finding it hard to believe you'd be so blase in this scenario.
Yup, its you; and you're apparent inability to deal with people having different standards than you.

If they are consenting adults, yes

That doesn't really answer the question. Again you just think you can repeat "consent" and it makes everything OK. How about this: "If your 3 year old daughter consents it is OK for me to have sex with her." Agree?

I know, I know, you dont think she's an adult. Well, I don't think your hypothetical consentual adult sisterfuckers are consentual.

Yup, its you; and you're apparent inability to deal with people having different standards than you.

I don't think its just me. "Standards" may have fallen drastically but they are not so absent in this country that I'm the only one who has a problem with my children having sex with each other. Its just a shame that you don't. I can really only surmise that maybe you always wanted to fuck your parent/sibling but it was only a fantasy, and so you release it by advocating incest on an anonymous online forum.

You know kinda like how Da Wolverines surmised I must be a child abuse victim in order to be opposed to sisterfucking.

so let me get this straight, for all of you people who think its allright to have sex with your 11 year old sister, and perhaps have your 8 year brother give you oral, you feel that it is allright because they AGREE to it ? lots of kids "agree" to be molested because the perpetrator says they are going to chop off mommys head, or kill their dog. but it is still allright, huh? as for it being between adults, it is an obvious understatement that if one cannot find another sexual partner outside of the family, then they need some HELP.

and , along the same lines, if a person decides to threaten a kid so they consent to physical abuse, then thats allright as well?

keeping screwed up values within the family is allright? so what if everyone in the family is CONSENTING to abusing cousins, neighbors, etc? thats okay? you know, because they agreed to it?

is drug use allright with kids, because they agree with it? your teenagers says he loves the way cocaine makes him feel, and so you buy it for him? thats acceptable?

Why is that? Are you implying that every kind of relationship between siblings is one of dominant/dominated?
Yup. But dominate/dominated is a little bit harsher than the words I would use(and the power equation comes from ANY reltionship within a family). But typically, one sibling will take a lead role, and one a more subordinate role in the relationship. This doesn't mean that the lead sibling can tell the subordinate what to do, and have it done, but that the lead sibling has greater influance over the actions of the subordinate than, say, a girlfriend or boyfriend would. This is due to that lead sibling having more control in the relationship. You fall into a pattern of behavore of defering to the lead.

It's not dominate/dominated as much as it's leader/follower.

If I understand correctly, according to you, that would mean that two childhood friends who grow up together can't form any relationship other than dominant/dominated? Just because they grew up together and one might be older that the other?Leader/follower, but yes. Most childhood friendships fall into that pattern of ONE child being the leader, the one who thinks of the games, and the other(s) who follow along, sometimes even if they have misgivings. This is different from adult relationships where parties make decisions amoungs themselves and are willing to break and go their own ways.

The problem I see with incest then, is that these, hmm, paths of power, are built into people as they grow up, in how they react to certain other people based upon their history together, how long that history is, and at what age was that history started. That's why the consenual part is iffy, IMO, as it is hard to be sure if the relationship is due to two people coming together, or one person having infulance on the other, that normally wouldn't be in a relationship between two non-family members.

If they are two adults that have thought this out, know about it, and are aware of it, it isn't my business. But, that sword will be hanging over their relationship.

Could you clarify this, please?
Did that help?

Its a strawman if 93 people are not "okay with" or apathetic about incest.
No, it's a strawman when you claim that those who have said they are ok with incest between consenting adults are somehow in favor of child molestation within families due to the orginal poster not having the consenting adult part in his orginal posting. It becomes even more so when you keep accusing them of this, even after they have posted, repeatedly, their opinions and have clarified them. Disagree with them as you will, attack their arguments, but do not try to make them into child molesters.

That doesn't really answer the question.
Yes, it does, you just don't like the answer.

Again you just think you can repeat "consent" and it makes everything OK.
because for me it does.

How about this: "If your 3 year old daughter consents it is OK for me to have sex with her." Agree?
Nope, she is a child and therefore incapable of giving consent.

I know, I know, you dont think she's an adult.
Because she's not; I know of no place that considers someone to be an adult at 3 years of age.

Well, I don't think your hypothetical consentual adult sisterfuckers are consentual.
It's not my fault that you are incapable of imagining a situation where two people who happen to be related can give consent.


I don't think its just me.
I was being facetious

"Standards" may have fallen drastically but they are not so absent in this country that I'm the only one who has a problem with my children having sex with each other. Its just a shame that you don't.
You undoubtedly aren't, just as I'm definately not the only one who is okay with any sex between consenting adults.

I can really only surmise that maybe you always wanted to fuck your parent/sibling but it was only a fantasy, and so you release it by advocating incest on an anonymous online forum.
Nope, never had any feelings of desire for any of my relatives.

You know kinda like how Da Wolverines surmised I must be a child abuse victim in order to be opposed to sisterfucking.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

No, it's a strawman when you claim that those who have said they are ok with incest between consenting adults are somehow in favor of child molestation within families due to the orginal poster not having the consenting adult part in his orginal posting. It becomes even more so when you keep accusing them of this, even after they have posted, repeatedly, their opinions and have clarified them. Disagree with them as you will, attack their arguments, but do not try to make them into child molesters.
exactly

I can't believe over half the voters are "not okay with it". Sure, I'd be grossed out to imagine it for myself, but as far as I'm concerned mutual consent = no problem.

Are you for real? I can't believe only a bare majority of voters are not okay with one of those things that humanity should just naturally feel a complete revulsion for.

As long as no babies are born from the incest, I'm fine with it.

Yes, it does, you just don't like the answer.

Fine, I don't. I don't like the idea that you're an actual parent responsible for another human's well-being, but you'd be fine with your kids having sex (oh as long as they were 'consenting adults' blah blah blah). I think you are unfit as a parent and possibly criminal.


because for me it does.

It could for me as well, even if I defined consent and adult in completely different ways.


Nope, she is a child and therefore incapable of giving consent.

...you insist she is a child. Just like I insist siblings or parents are incapable of giving actual consent.

Because she's not; I know of no place that considers someone to be an adult at 3 years of age.

So if a viewpoint is uncommon enough, you dont think its valid?


It's not my fault that you are incapable of imagining a situation where two people who happen to be related can give consent.

Ah yes. "Happen to be related." Like being part of the same family is just some casual thing like happening to share the same shirt color.

No, it's a strawman when you claim that those who have said they are ok with incest between consenting adults are somehow in favor of child molestation within families due to the orginal poster not having the consenting adult part in his orginal posting. It becomes even more so when you keep accusing them of this, even after they have posted, repeatedly, their opinions and have clarified them. Disagree with them as you will, attack their arguments, but do not try to make them into child molesters.

The people who voted in that way on the poll did so before the original poster clarified the consent part. Hence, they are for incest, no qualifications. I think you are overestimating the moral fortitude of NS general posters. And its not such a strawman after all. Particularly when you yourself admit the shortcomings of so-called "consent" in even 'consentual' incestual relationships.


Anyway, I felt like making a t-shirt. I wouldn't wear it, but... for some of the 90+ who are gung-ho for liberating those oppressed siblings and parents and children from the bonds of evil anti-incest discrimination... if the t-shirt fits, wear it! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/saintmaggot/incestshirt.jpg

I am surprised and somewhat concerned by the sheer number of people who seemingly have no understanding of the definition of consent in the context of sexuality. :confused:

All I can do is hope they have sense enough to keep it in their pants since anyone who does not comprehend consent in the context of sex and the law, risks causing considerable harm to themselves (ie imprisonment) and to others (ie the person they believe is consenting who is not actual capable of consenting).

That these people who appear to have no understanding of the meaning of consent in the context of sex are the ones labelling others as sexual abusers is at best ironic. :rolleyes:

My concern is that if we allow incest we open the floodgates for abuse.

to the people who keep talking about consenting adults, and "children who arent old enough to consent, at what age exactly do you feel a person is not a child? this is directed at you, Baran Duine.

and no one really thinks of the severe mental issues one will develop from this type of behavior. the author of this thread has dabbled in the likes of incest, and from many of his posts through out the months, you can see he is quite sexually dysfunctional.

...you insist she is a child. Just like I insist siblings or parents are incapable of giving actual consent.
But of course two random adults can...

The people who voted in that way on the poll did so before the original poster clarified the consent part. Hence, they are for incest, no qualifications. I think you are overestimating the moral fortitude of NS general posters. And its not such a strawman after all. Particularly when you yourself admit the shortcomings of so-called "consent" in even 'consentual' incestual relationships.
Yes, I do state that there is massive problems in the concent part of of incestual relationships, but I haven't been calling anyone who disagrees with me a child molester as YOU have.

I also would note that your argument that anyone to agreed with the orginal question before clarification automactically agrees to ANY incestuous relationship to be seriously misleading. Again, we're on page 10, and there have been ten pages of folks stating, 'Yes, but only if...' Just as the other fun threads on this forum are a chance to clarify and explain your position isn't the black and white position of the poll question.

Or should I assume then that when the next abortion thread meanders its way around and you are asked, Pro-Choice/Pro-Life that your answer is it with no shades of gray in there?

Are you for real? I can't believe only a bare majority of voters are not okay with one of those things that humanity should just naturally feel a complete revulsion for.

Whats the difference between sex with a girl and sex with a sister? As long as no one is getting pregnant, mind you.

to the people who keep talking about consenting adults, and "children who arent old enough to consent, at what age exactly do you feel a person is not a child? this is directed at you, Baran Duine.
Assuming no mental impairment/handicap? 18.
With mental impairment/handicap? potentially never depending upon the severity of said mental impairment/handicap.

the author of this thread has dabbled in the likes of incest, and from many of his posts through out the months, you can see he is quite sexually dysfunctional.
not my problem :D

But of course two random adults can...

Well, not all the time no. But, society cannot function without allowing consentual sex between 'random adults.' Theres no way around that really. Shame, because I've always kinda thought most people shouldn't have sex - they can't handle it, the responsibility, and just wind up spreading disease and littering children all over the place.

I suspect it (society) can function without allowing incest however.


Yes, I do state that there is massive problems in the concent part of of incestual relationships, but I haven't been calling anyone who disagrees with me a child molester as YOU have.

I haven't said "anyone who disagrees with me is a child molester..."

I also would note that your argument that anyone to agreed with the orginal question before clarification automactically agrees to ANY incestuous relationship to be seriously misleading.

To tell the truth I doubt all people who voted clarified their positions. But I don't have the inclination to go through and check the thread if thats even possible. So, what should I assume? That no one endorses the legalization of any and all sex? Around here I think that would be a silly assumption.


Or should I assume then that when the next abortion thread meanders its way around and you are asked, Pro-Choice/Pro-Life that your answer is it with no shades of gray in there?

Well you can of course assume whatever you want.

I shouldn't ask, I really, really shouldn't ask...

Oh hell.

The author of this thread has dabbled in the likes of incest.
What is the likes of incest? I mean, you either have it or not. I'm REALLY drawing a blank on something like incest, but isn't.

Assuming no mental impairment/handicap? 18.
With mental impairment/handicap? potentially never depending upon the severity of said mental impairment/handicap.

why eighteen, may i ask? what you didnt know the day before you turned 18 you suddenly figure out as you open your gifts? not old enough to purchase alcohol, yet old enough to screw your brother? who decides the severity of the mental handicap? does ADD count ? what about a social phobia? what about a crippling fear of spiders, so bad one has panic attacks and cannot leave the house? thats allright, because they can stay home and have intercourse with their sister? this could go FOREVER.....

and it is your problem when people develop different degrees of mental dysfunction, because your taxes in the usa, and the safety of your neighborhood, and your laws and politicians depend on what is out there in society.

I shouldn't ask, I really, really shouldn't ask...

Oh hell.


What is the likes of incest? I mean, you either have it or not. I'm REALLY drawing a blank on something like incest, but isn't.
a non reciprocated sexual infatuation with a family member.

why eighteen, may i ask?
sure, go ahead :p

<snip>this could go FOREVER.....
which is why i'm not going to bother with an answer

and it is your problem when people develop different degrees of mental dysfunction, because your taxes in the usa, and the safety of your neighborhood, and your laws and politicians depend on what is out there in society.
It's not my problem that the Plutonium Empire has dabbled with "the likes of incest" it's also not my problem if he has experimented any socially unacceptable behavior.

I haven't said "anyone who disagrees with me is a child molester..."
Oh? Then I should take this remark:
Oh look, it doesn't say consentual incest between two adults. It just says incest. Incest includes all forms of child molestation between you and, for example, your uncle joe.

So none of you who voted no have a problem with child molestation as long as it's within the family.
to mean that, in reality, you are NOT accusing those who have stated yes (and with your postings, I believe I can safely assume you disagree with incest) of either being or agreeing with child molestation?

To tell the truth I doubt all people who voted clarified their positions. But I don't have the inclination to go through and check the thread if thats even possible. So, what should I assume? That no one endorses the legalization of any and all sex? Around here I think that would be a silly assumption.
You have a point tha probably not all have clarified, and about the morality of the NS General community (or particular people within it), however you have attacked and continued to attack those who have clarified their position.

a non reciprocated sexual infatuation with a family member.
Wouldn't that be incestous feelings?

I haven't said "anyone who disagrees with me is a child molester..."
true, you haven't used those exact words, but you have in every example of incest that you cited chose one or more of the particapents to be a child, you also have referred to me specifically as:unfit as a parent and possibly criminal
On the other hand no-one who is in favor of it, or (like myself) don't care has attack you personnally

The only reason I could care less is because there exist very few people with perpetually incestual desires.
If all the greater nations of the world suddenly made it legal, it wouldn't change anything, because, once again, very few people are interested.

I confess, the only reason incest disgusts me is because of that natural feeling that comes with the mention of any idea to engage with my sister. But since that is my only reason, if others don't have that, then by my logic, they're OK.

Otherwise, there's also a chance of birth-defects involved, but it is mininscule. You know what, if someone wants to have an incestual relationship, just make sure children are NOT involved. That would really fuck things up.

Oh? Then I should take this remark:

to mean that, in reality, you are NOT accusing those who have stated yes (and with your postings, I believe I can safely assume you disagree with incest) of either being or agreeing with child molestation?

Perhaps its rhetoric. Perhaps its a challenge. But perhaps its not disagreed with by some because some people actually do agree with what others would call child molestation or statuatory rape... and remember on this board that many posters themselves qualify legally as children and tend to agree with anything that empowers non-adults while thumbing nose at tradition, law and authority.


You have a point tha probably not all have clarified, and about the morality of the NS General community (or particular people within it), however you have attacked and continued to attack those who have clarified their position.

Well, maybe, but I think they'll get over it. They don't seem the types to be walking on eggshells trying to avoid 'attacks' on an online forum anyway.

Well, maybe, but I think they'll get over it. They don't seem the types to be walking on eggshells trying to avoid 'attacks' on an online forum anyway.
Why do you feel it is necessary to attack those who don't agree with you?

It's not my problem that the Plutonium Empire has dabbled with "the likes of incest" it's also not my problem if he has experimented any socially unacceptable behavior.
i have noticed people with these strange opinions like yourself, thinking it is allright to have sex with your dad, or a threesome with your parents, THEY DONT CONSIDER THE EFFECTS OF THEIR ACTIONS. which is why the strange crap you consider normal isnt very popular. because most people are responsible.

i have noticed people with these strange opinions like yourself, thinking it is allright to have sex with your dad, or a threesome with your parents, THEY DONT CONSIDER THE EFFECTS OF THEIR ACTIONS. which is why the strange crap you consider normal isnt very popular. because most people are responsible.
I never said I thought it was normal.

Incest is best, put your family to the test!

Ugh, its gross and should be illegal..oh wait it is!
Any seen Cider House Rules? TheApple picker Dad in that freaked me out

Incest is best, put your family to the test!

Ugh, its gross and should be illegal..oh wait it is!
Any seen Cider House Rules? TheApple picker Dad in that freaked me out

i have noticed people with these strange opinions like yourself, thinking it is allright to have sex with your dad, or a threesome with your parents, THEY DONT CONSIDER THE EFFECTS OF THEIR ACTIONS. which is why the strange crap you consider normal isnt very popular. because most people are responsible.
Are you implying that i'm not responsible?

He ain't heavy - he's my brother.

He ain't heavy - he's my brother.
Death: He's NOT my friend! He's my brother and he's an IDIOT!
Dream: Just feeding the pigeons.

Sorry, couldn't resist adding that. /hijack

It is you who are assuming I'm angry. And that it has to do with something personal. And that that matters in an argument.

Yup, I said it was a random guess. But it indeed matters: when one is angry (which is usually because of one's experiences) at an issue, chances are that they won't be objective, since they'll only compare this issue to their negative experiences. So yes, it can indeed matter.

And the fact that you dodged the question unfortunately leaves it open for assumption.

But anyway, I'll leave it at that.

Death: He's NOT my friend! He's my brother and he's an IDIOT!
Dream: Just feeding the pigeons.

Sorry, couldn't resist adding that. /hijack
You know, you shouldn't post weird fantasies like that on a thread about incest :) .

You know, you shouldn't post weird fantasies like that on a thread about incest :) .
Oh this one isn't mine, this comes from The Sandman... but I probably shouldn't have yeah. :D

i have noticed people with these strange opinions like yourself, thinking it is allright to have sex with your dad, or a threesome with your parents, THEY DONT CONSIDER THE EFFECTS OF THEIR ACTIONS. which is why the strange crap you consider normal isnt very popular. because most people are responsible.

Bad argument. It seems that most people in what you would consider normal sexual relationships don't consider the effects of their actions, hence all the single parents and the spread of things like AIDS. And anyway, you cannot prove that these incestual people have not thought it through.

Incest! It's the best! Put it to the test, you can't contest, you can't protest, and you can't rest, so lets go molest!

Teach Incest in Sex Education TODAY.

Honestly, I don't really care if my next door neighbors screwed their dogs...Whatever floats your boat...If you want possibly genetically mutated kids from having sex of if you simply want to have sex with a consenting adult within your family, then you just go do that in your little corner...It's not my kids and it's not my life...

Candy is dandy, but incest is best? :eek:

I don't THINK so! LOL!

Yup, I said it was a random guess. But it indeed matters: when one is angry (which is usually because of one's experiences) at an issue, chances are that they won't be objective, since they'll only compare this issue to their negative experiences. So yes, it can indeed matter.

It is never relevant to an argument to point out the assumptions you are making about the person you are arguing with. Particularly when they are negative assumptions that would of course invalidate their arguments. I believe that is called ad hominem.


And the fact that you dodged the question unfortunately leaves it open for assumption.

But anyway, I'll leave it at that.

I dont feel the need to defend my character against accusations here. Thanks. It's "open to assumption" because you are taking it upon yourself to openly assume a bunch of bullshit. Maybe I should just assume the pro-incest people ARE all into sisterfucking on a personal level and THEREFORE they are subjective and biased and their arguments are irrelevant eh? ;)

You know, Bush has never to my knowledge denied statements that he might be a shapeshifting reptilian overlord... that means its open for assumption!!! OMG!

Yeah, fuck that.

And anyway, you cannot prove that these incestual people have not thought it through.

Heh true, one cannot prove anything about completely hypothetical people. Who are all these mythical, healthy adults who are consenting to incest?

Just go ahead and post if you happen to be one of these people. Feel free. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Fact is, the Left here is arguing for the rights of a fictional minority. For them its an argument in principles, nothing to do with the real world except that you can IMAGINE there MIGHT be such people. You SUSPECT there's just hordes of them who are oppressed by our evil society and too afraid to 'come out.' Well be like the gays then, if its so good and righteous, come out right here and admit to consentual adult incest relationships.

Fact is, the Left here is arguing for the rights of a fictional minority. For them its an argument in principles, nothing to do with the real world except that you can IMAGINE there MIGHT be such people. You SUSPECT there's just hordes of them who are oppressed by our evil society and too afraid to 'come out.' Well be like the gays then, if its so good and righteous, come out right here and admit to consentual adult incest relationships.
HEY

i consider myself liberal. i think im on the left. but the "L"eft doesnt advocate the legalization or social acceptance of incest. i dont know who does, but i assume they are boys who just dont know what incest really IS. they are willing to accept the notion that there may be sane non-coerced incestual relationships that start well after both parties are adults while blocking the sick reality of sexual exploitation.

You SUSPECT there's just hordes of them who are oppressed by our evil society and too afraid to 'come out.' Well be like the gays then, if its so good and righteous, come out right here and admit to consentual adult incest relationships.
You forget though, that until very recently, coming out at all lead to BAD THINGS happening. If such a couple showed up, would you allow them to speak and accept them, or would you be there with the pitchforks, torches, and rocks for stoning them?

Incest is sick and really morally wrong period.

Hmm....let's see what groups openly practice incest. You have the Amish, Mormons, and Arabs. Yes, it is a tradition for Arabs in some countries to marry their first cousins. And after a study by Israeli doctors, it was shown that the Palestinian infant mortality rate would drop 50-75% if they stopped doing that tradition as their offspring would not be subjected fatal birth defects primarily fetal blood diseases. The sad thing is that all three groups are in our country doing it now except for the Arabs who decided to be civilized unless they're Al Qaeda (luckily that's small for now).

Plus, think of the precious tax dollars and national healthcare resources that are wasted on defective kids produced by incest. Well except when paying for their euthanization.

Lastly, if you look at endangered animals who have gone extinct, one would realize that even with the chance to regain their numbers, they go extinct because there isn't any fresh genetic material to ensure their offspring's health and ultimately, survival.

Incest is sick and really morally wrong period.

Hmm....let's see what groups openly practice incest. You have the Amish, Mormons, and Arabs. Yes, it is a tradition for Arabs in some countries to marry their first cousins. And after a study by Israeli doctors, it was shown that the Palestinian infant mortality rate would drop 50-75% if they stopped doing that tradition as their offspring would not be subjected fatal birth defects primarily fetal blood diseases. The sad thing is that all three groups are in our country doing it now except for the Arabs who decided to be civilized unless they're Al Qaeda (luckily that's small for now).

Plus, think of the precious tax dollars and national healthcare resources that are wasted on defective kids produced by incest. Well except when paying for their euthanization.

Lastly, if you look at endangered animals who have gone extinct, one would realize that even with the chance to regain their numbers, they go extinct because there isn't any fresh genetic material to ensure their offspring's health and ultimately, survival.


The amish don't practise incest, silly rabbit. They are inbred for different reasons. (Like the chassids).

I don't know about the arabs, but nothing they do would surprise.

HEY

i consider myself liberal. i think im on the left. but the "L"eft doesnt advocate the legalization or social acceptance of incest. i dont know who does, but i assume they are boys who just dont know what incest really IS. they are willing to accept the notion that there may be sane non-coerced incestual relationships that start well after both parties are adults while blocking the sick reality of sexual exploitation.


Alright, fair enough. I got caught in the whole "blame 'the left'" or "blame the right" or "blame liberals" mindset. I try to avoid that usually.

You forget though, that until very recently, coming out at all lead to BAD THINGS happening. If such a couple showed up, would you allow them to speak and accept them, or would you be there with the pitchforks, torches, and rocks for stoning them?

I'd allow them to speak. I'm not for mob justice and never have been.

Bad argument. It seems that most people in what you would consider normal sexual relationships don't consider the effects of their actions, hence all the single parents and the spread of things like AIDS. And anyway, you cannot prove that these incestual people have not thought it through.
if you read a prior post of mine, you would see that i said that if people cannot find an intercourse partner outside of their family, there obviously is something very wrong with them and they need professional help. with all the thousands upon thousands of people willing to have sex, why must one turn to their SISTER? AIDS, STD's , single parenthood situations that are lacking in proper parenting skills(some single parents do fine), teen pregancy, etc. are all serious enough issues that stem from people not being able to control themselves, and make responsible decisions after considering the repercussions of those choices. why open up the gates of the last frontier (by this i mean having sex with family) and let the masses know that not only does one have to even attempt self control, their unrestrained habits are accepted and encouraged?

the author of this thread has dabbled in the likes of incest, and from many of his posts through out the months, you can see he is quite sexually dysfunctional.
Can you prove it? Can you provide me with links that have explicit proof of my "dysfunction"?

HEY

i consider myself liberal. i think im on the left. but the "L"eft doesnt advocate the legalization or social acceptance of incest. i dont know who does, but i assume they are boys who just dont know what incest really IS. they are willing to accept the notion that there may be sane non-coerced incestual relationships that start well after both parties are adults while blocking the sick reality of sexual exploitation.

So I am a boy with little to no knowledge just because I believe that incest is acceptable? Pretty pathetic assumption. And just to clear other things up, I am neither a conservative or a liberal. More than likely I am not even on that spectrum.

Incest is sick and really morally wrong period.

Yeah, who needs real arguments? :rolleyes:

Can you prove it? Can you provide me with links that have explicit proof of my "dysfunction"?

you started the babe thread,no other proof is required that your sexuality is not dysfunctional :D

So I am a boy with little to no knowledge just because I believe that incest is acceptable? Pretty pathetic assumption. And just to clear other things up, I am neither a conservative or a liberal. More than likely I am not even on that spectrum.
i was giving you the benefit of the doubt, the other assumptions are much worse.

Whats wrong with incest? It can't really be harmful! The European monarchies practiced for hudreds of years, and they all were sane, fair, prudent leaders who still have the servility and admiration of their subjects today. Oh wait....

Whats wrong with incest? It can't really be harmful! The European monarchies practiced for hudreds of years, and they all were sane, fair, prudent leaders who still have the servility and admiration of their subjects today. Oh wait....

hahaha[/sarc],well we have palaces and castles,so it wasn't all that bad

hahaha[/sarc],well we have palaces and castles,so it wasn't all that bad Any barbarian can have them, and the barbarians of the north didn't practise inbreeding.

Any barbarian can have them, and the barbarians of the north didn't practise inbreeding.

my point was there are no castles or palaces in america.off topic i know

my point was there are no castles or palaces in america.off topic i know THAT'S what America's lacking! I always knew it lacked a certain je ne sais quoi…

THAT'S what America's lacking! I always knew it lacked a certain je ne sais quoi…

lol,see all of america's problems would be solved if they had castles.its simple

How close of relatives are we talking? I had this hot cousin...

Hawkintom']How close of relatives are we talking? I had this hot cousin...

i think this thread is any relatives,there was one that was just cousins.the general consensus there was go for it,but be wary about havin kids.i think

you started the babe thread,no other proof is required that your sexuality is not dysfunctional :D
LOL! :D thanks :)

lol,see all of america's problems would be solved if they had castles.its simple
The guy that created the Ultima series owns a castle in Texas... :eek:

We should ENCOURAGE IT.

Screw Sex Education. Just teach em Incest and let em get it on!

The medical consequences of bearing offspring from an incestuous relationship alone are enough to demonstrate one of the reasons why it should be considered wrong. And that's not even touching on likely psychological effects and ethical principles.

The medical consequences of bearing offspring from an incestuous relationship alone are enough to demonstrate one of the reasons why it should be considered wrong. And that's not even touching on likely psychological effects and ethical principles.

But you can't dispute the hawtness of Lebicest (Lesbian Incest).

Hmm. Yes, I can. :p

My friend knows someone who was shipped off to juvenile hall because his dad caught him doing his cousin. His defense at his trial was that he didn't know that she was his cousin until half way through. I don't know about the rest of you, but that seems unlikely. . .