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Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.

Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html
Your site wouldn't load.

But no, abortion isn't a sacrement.

Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.
Of course abortion is a sacriment of the shadow religion practiced by all members of this secret organization known only as "the left." Other sacriments are eating tofu and hugging trees.

Yea i know it won't load. Dammit. Put (Spain, Britain, Abortion) into a google search. I think it is a sacrement. Did you watch John Roberts hearings today. I remember when Ginsberg was there. She was falling all over herself to say how much she agreed with abortion. The socialist senators were just pal up with her then. It was the only thing she seemed happy to answer. I guess she figured she wouldn't have to rule on anything to do with abortion. After all, as a sacrement, it belongs under the right to practice ones religion.

Of course abortion is a sacriment of the shadow religion practiced by all members of this secret organization known only as "the left." Other sacriments are eating tofu and hugging trees.

You told! Now you will have to be ritually cleansed in the Massive Left Wing Conspiracy way!

Egor, fill the cauldron with wine spritzer!

Yea i know it won't load. Dammit. Put (Spain, Britain, Abortion) into a google search. I think it is a sacrement. Did you watch John Roberts hearings today. I remember when Ginsberg was there. She was falling all over herself to say how much she agreed with abortion. The socialist senators were just pal up with her then. It was the only thing she seemed happy to answer. I guess she figured she wouldn't have to rule on anything to do with abortion. After all, as a sacrement, it belongs under the right to practice ones religion.

A sacrament is a Christian rite that mediates or symbolizes divine grace. Sacraments are usually administered by the clergy to a recipient or recipients, and are generally understood to involve visible and invisible components. The invisible component (manifested inwardly) is understood to be God's grace working in the sacrament's participants, whilst the visible (or outward) component entails the use of water, wine, or oil that is blessed or consecrated.

So unless God is actually playing a part in these abortions I'd say no its not a sacrament for the left. :headbang:

Yes, an illegal company offering an illegal practise is a sacrament.

It's like pointing to someone in prison for murder and called murder a sacrament of the 2nd ammendment supporting right.

Of course, intelligent people don't generalise like that.

Does this kind of thread pass for trolling on these forums?

[I]A sacrament is a Christian rite that mediates or symbolizes divine grace.:

I consider liberalism a pseudo religion. I believe abortion is a right under the religion of liberalism.

Jolter said "Does this kind of thread pass for trolling on these forums?" Is that what every liberal wants for those with whom they disagree. What did you think about the difference in the way liberal dems treated roberts and ginsberg? They brought up the ginsberg rule. It seems the only thing ginsberg was willing to answer to was questions about abortion. Do you remember bork or thomas?

A sacrement is a part of all religions. I consider liberalism a pseudo religion. I believe abortion is a right under the religion of liberalism.
Really because when I search the word sacrament all I get are christian web pages. Well your free to consider liberalism whatever you want. However just because I think the moon is made of cheese does not actually make it true.

Jolter said "Does this kind of thread pass for trolling on these forums?" Is that what every liberal wants for those with whom they disagree. What did you think about the difference in the way liberal dems treated roberts and ginsberg? They brought up the ginsberg rule. It seems the only thing ginsberg was willing to answer to the questions about abortion.

Dude you posted a link with little to no discussion on it and in a way that is going to provoke a reaction. That is trolling.

A sacrement is a part of all religions. I consider liberalism a pseudo religion. I believe abortion is a right under the religion of liberalism.

rights = sacraments?

That Mirriam Webster thing sucks. Search harder. Search something like Encyclopedia Brittanica. Sacraments have to do with all religions. The story was the discussion Jolt. I watched the senate today and then found out about this story later. Do you not know that abortion is the only thing that the dem senators are fighting over?

It isn't illegal where it's at Jolt. China has made abortions mandatory. Don't you consider Chinese government leftists? Planned Parenthood has already come out against Roberts. They made statements against him not answering questions about abortion just 1/2 hour into the hearings. The dems pontificated that long before he was even allowed to answer.

It isn't illegal where it's at Jolt. China has made abortions mandatory. Don't you consider Chinese government leftists? Planned Parenthood has already come out against Roberts. They made statements against him not answering questions about abortion just 1/2 hour into the hearings. The dems pontificated that long before he was even allowed to answer.
To turn this around then, would getting rid of abortions then be the religious crusade of the right?

Main Entry: sac·ra·ment
Pronunciation: 'sa-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sacrement, sacrament, from Old French & Late Latin; Old French, from Late Latin sacramentum, from Latin, oath of allegiance, obligation, from sacrare to consecrate
1 a : a Christian rite (as baptism or the Eucharist) that is believed to have been ordained by Christ and that is held to be a means of divine grace or to be a sign or symbol of a spiritual reality b : a religious rite or observance comparable to a Christian sacrament
2 capitalized a : COMMUNION 2a b : BLESSED SACRAMENT
3 : something likened to a religious sacrament <saw voting as a sacrament of democracy>

No, sacrament definitely wouldn't apply. There are many that are liberal who have never, and will never have an abortion. It is not a "religious rite or observance."

Meanwhile, your article has nothing at all to do with your question. As someone else pointed out, it is a clinic carrying out illegal actions that even most pro-choicers agree are unethical and should be illegal.

In other words, you have said nothing at all useful.

Question:

Do these people not have anything better to do than complain about what others happen to do with the contents of their bodies? Regardless of wheher or not a child in the womb can actually be considered to be 'alive,' one must be forced to admit that, until it actually comes out, it's not really its own entity: it doesn't have any identity that isn't already contingent upon the identity of its host. Regardless of whether or not it's actually alive yet, it's not a human being until it's ready to pop on out.

That said, late term abortions are kind of exasperating because it's not like you didn't have months to make the goddamn choice already.

Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.
I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole.

Ps. "The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it...

here are hindu sacraments. Budhists, shinto, wicca, they all have them.
http://www.rajasthanunlimited.com/hinduism/
It does have to do with my post. It seems to me that secularists most prized right is abortion. It is analogous to the eucharist. Anybody who doesn't like abortion is said to be persecuting women.

I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole.

Ps. "The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it...

If freedom of the self were truly what liberals believed in, why then, do they insist on taking, by government force, what we earn by our labors.
rotovia wrote:
"I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole.

Ps. "The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it..."
I love it. You insult me and call me the redneck. Define redneck. Isn't it someone acting the way you just did?

Question:

Do these people not have anything better to do than complain about what others happen to do with the contents of their bodies? Regardless of wheher or not a child in the womb can actually be considered to be 'alive,' one must be forced to admit that, until it actually comes out, it's not really its own entity: it doesn't have any identity that isn't already contingent upon the identity of its host. Regardless of whether or not it's actually alive yet, it's not a human being until it's ready to pop on out.

That said, late term abortions are kind of exasperating because it's not like you didn't have months to make the goddamn choice already.

You see, this answers the original question. A new born then can't be said to be alive because it can't survive on it's own either. It is biologically alive. What will you say when we can keep them alive at this early stage. There are surgions that specialize in treating the unborn.

You see, this answers the original question. A new born then can't be said to be alive because it can't survive on it's own either. It is biologically alive. What will you say when we can keep them alive at this early stage. There are surgions that specialize in treating the unborn.
Think outside the box. I already admitted that they are alive. My point is that a 'murder' requires the termination of a living entity, and since a fetus has no identity that isn't contingent upon the identity of its mother, the concept that "abortion is murder" does not logically compute. You can't murder a fetus any more than you can murder a pancreas or an ovary or a large intestine.

If freedom of the self were truly what liberals believed in, why then, do they insist on taking, by government force, what we earn by our labors.
rotovia wrote:
"I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole.

Ps. "The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it..."
I love it. You insult me and call me the redneck. Define redneck. Isn't it someone acting the way you just did?

You sure love your meaningless, blanket terms. Abortion is hardly the "most sacred right" of the left, as lumping all liberals and leftists together is moronic. The number of people who consider abortion as the most important human right is miniscule.

And that comment about "taking by government force" is ridiculous. Unless you seriously believe that taxation must be immediately abolished you believe in taking, by government force, what people earn by their labours. It's not exactly confined to the left, and is unrelated to liberalism.

Taxes are needed of course. Who said no taxes are necessary. I would end income taxes as I believe it is an invasion of privacy for the government to even know the income of individuals. I must be a liberal then, right? I actually believe in an individual's right to privacy.

What is wrong with sales taxes? What is wrong with the freedom to not succeed. I believe that when able bodied people become dependent on the government, they have lost their dignity. And yes, if I could I'd abolish taxes and put in their place a lottery.

What is the most sacred thing to liberals anyway? As I watched the confirmation hearings and the build up for them, I just assumed.

If freedom of the self were truly what liberals believed in, why then, do they insist on taking, by government force, what we earn by our labors.We don't. You're thinking of Socialists and Communists there son. The Right to the Private Ownership of Property is very important to Classical Liberalism. If you are refering to taxes, this is not a Liberal ideal either. Hate to burst your bubble but it's a government requirement.


I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole
"The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it...

I love it. You insult me and call me the redneck. Define redneck. Isn't it someone acting the way you just did?No. I'm an intellectual arsehole. You're a dumbass redneck. It's we're having this disagreement.

I consider liberalism a pseudo religion. I believe abortion is a right under the religion of liberalism.

How dare you call what the left-wing practices 'liberalism'. The true concept of liberalism is far closer to minarchism. What the left believes in in the United States is basically control-socialism (the whole 'ban video games and porn and calling anything by something other than this meaningless doublespeak, and especially not what it is, oh dear we can't possibly have that). If this is liberalism to you, go read a book by Locke or Jefferson. Grab the Federalist Papers. Seriously.

And yes, if I could I'd abolish taxes and put in their place a lottery.
Who said no taxes are necessary. I would end income taxes as I believe it is an invasion of privacy for the government to even know the income of individuals. I must be a liberal then, right? I actually believe in an individual's right to privacy.

What is wrong with sales taxes? What is wrong with the freedom to not succeed. I believe that when able bodied people become dependent on the government, they have lost their dignity. And yes, if I could I'd abolish taxes and put in their place a lottery.

What is the most sacred thing to liberals anyway? As I watched the confirmation hearings and the build up for them, I just assumed.

Free Alabama, I'm not a Mod, but IMO your thread has the best of flame bating and trolling (hmm, we need a term for when both occure). You are trying to apply ONE clinic in SPAIN effecting the UK, to liberals everywhere, including the US, and have done so in a way that is sure to rile up everyone on the board.

Not to mention, unless you've been attending some interesting churches, you usually tithe to the church, the church does not tithe you, so your comparison is false... and silly.

Kelll, I couldn't agree with you more. You see I mentioned the lotery didn't ya. I use the term liberalism as it is in the modern american vernacular. I consider myself a classical liberal. I am a registered libertarian after all.

Not to mention, unless you've been attending some interesting churches, you usually tithe to the church, the church does not tithe you, so your comparison is false... and silly.
Ever heard of charity? It is also a religious sacrament.

Free Alambama:

Go back to your namesake, where people will actually buy into your non-sensical "liberalism is a religion" sewage (LOL on that by the way: you made me laugh pretty hard).

*yawn*

Free Alambama:

Go back to your namesake, where people will actually buy into your non-sensical "liberalism is a religion" sewage (LOL on that by the way: you made me laugh pretty hard).

From Cocoa Beach dude. Only been threw(SP) Alabama a couple of times. The name come from what Alabama's governor said in reguards to the left leaning supreme courts decision to allow local governments the right to confiscate land for the purposes of higher tax revenue.

Free Alambama:

Go back to your namesake, where people will actually buy into your non-sensical "liberalism is a religion" sewage (LOL on that by the way: you made me laugh pretty hard).

Why must these degenerate into mudslinging contests...

You know, its really, really sad when liberals prove Rush Limbaugh right.

From Cocoa Beach dude. Only been threw(SP) Alabama a couple of times. The name come from what Alabama's governor said in reguards to the left leaning supreme courts decision to allow local governments the right to confiscate land for the purposes of higher tax revenue.
Are we talking about the same US Supreme Court here? Because that's like calling Fox News an instrument of Left...

Another thing that proves the conservative pundits right is the way that the liberals(leftists) always want to ban your view if it makes them uncomfortable.

Are we talking about the same US Supreme Court here? Because that's like calling Fox News an instrument of Left...
Yes, if you look at the vote, it was split. Leftists voted to give government the right to take land conservatives voted no. It is the logical outcome of socialism. Property rights are nothing to socialists.

Ever heard of charity? It is also a religious sacrament.
Oh please, not only is your definition of sacrament off, so is your definition and application of charity.

How is my definition off? Do a deeper search, you will find that many religions have sacraments. However, I will take the definition of the catholic sacraments. Both involve human sacrifice. One offers the redemption of the soul and the other redemption of materialism. After all, most abortions are sought for monetary reasons. "I can't afford a baby." It is also thought to save one from one's own actions just like the eucharist.

A private abortion clinic is offering financial kickbacks to women with late-term pregnancies to entice them into having illegal terminations.

And thus, with the very first paragraph of your article, your first post, and by extension the entire thread, is made irrelevant...but I shall continue.

The clinic, Mediterrània Mèdica based in Valencia in Spain, circumvents British and Spanish law by carrying out terminations on 26-week pregnant women for €2,000 (£1,353) and then claiming that they are mentally ill.

Yep...the "euro-commmies" are paying women to have these abortions. After all, it's not like it's against the law or anything.

The debate on abortion has intensified since last October when The Sunday Telegraph revealed the scandal of Britain's largest abortion provider, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, deliberately directing women with healthy post-24 week pregnancies towards a Spanish clinic, Clinica Ginemedex in Barcelona, where they were given illegal terminations with falsified paperwork.

A British Government inquiry into the scandal has yet to report its findings

Obviously an inquiry is necessary, as this is the only part of the article so far that contains anything that is relevant to the idea that "euro-commies" are paying women to have abortions.

However, it is not the government of Britain itself...as the article has stated several times, these abortions are ILLEGAL under British and Spanish law. This is the case of two Spanish abortion clinics trying to use legal loopholes to make money, and a corrupt British organization that has decided to capitalize on this fact to make money for themselves.

The Doctors at both the Spanish Clinics and the British Pregnancy Advisory Service sicken me to the core...for their complete disregard for the laws of their nations, and their willingness to commit reprehensible acts for profit.

Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.

We "think this is great"?

Put down the crack-pipe.

After all, most abortions are sought for monetary reasons. "I can't afford a baby."

I'll await your proof of this statement...

Is abortion the sacrement of the left?

Is poor spelling the sacrament in Alabama? I had always thought it was wife beating and drinking cheap whiskey.

Loopholes aye. Who put the loop holes there in the first place. Most of these types of abortions are never medically needed. The mental loop hole is always there. Depression counts as such doesn't it? Just curious about your opinion. Should depression count as mental sickness? Mental illness?

This loop hole is put in everywhere abortion is legal. Define mental illness. It is never narrowed to specifics.

Never been in Alabama for more than 2 hours and have only been there 2 or 3 times read posts above. Thank you.

My proof of statement? Abortions for rape are less than 5 percent last time I looked. I love the way you cut that part in half.

How is my definition off? Do a deeper search, you will find that many religions have sacraments. However, I will take the definition of the catholic sacraments. Both involve human sacrifice. One offers the redemption of the soul and the other redemption of materialism. After all, most abortions are sought for monetary reasons. "I can't afford a baby." It is also thought to save one from one's own actions just like the eucharist.
My apologies, this is going to be a long one. But for once and for all:

Sacrament, n:
1. Eccl. Used as the common name for certain solemn ceremonies or religious acts belonging to the institutions of the Christian church.
The English use before the Reformation adopts the enumeration of seven sacraments (believed to have been first formulated by Peter Lombard in the 12th c.; the same list is recognized in the Eastern Church): viz., Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Penance, Extreme Unction, Order, Matrimony. As late as the 14th c., however, there were still traces in English of the wider application of the word formerly current; while the seven sacraments were viewed as eminently entitled to the name, it could be applied in a more general sense to certain other rites (see quot. c1315). From the 16th c., Protestants generally have recognized two sacraments only, viz. baptism and the Lord's Supper.
The formal definition of sacrament depends on the answer to the question what is the distinctive feature common to the seven or to the two ‘sacraments’, on account of which they form a separate class from all other observances. Those who accept the number seven, and many of those who admit only two sacraments, say that the sacraments differ from other rites in being channels by which supernatural grace is imparted. By those Protestants who deny that baptism and the Lord's Supper in themselves convey supernatural grace, the specific difference of the ‘sacraments’ from other observances is regarded as consisting in their paramount obligation as having been expressly commanded by Christ Himself, and in the special spiritual benefits obtainable by their faithful use.
By some of the English Puritans and Nonconformists, the word was avoided as being associated with opinions regarded by them as superstitious; the usual term applied by them to baptism and the Lord's Supper was ordinance.
c1175 Lamb. Hom. 51 e halie sacramens e me sacre in alesnesse of alla sunfulle. a1225 Ancr. R. 268 Al et holi chirche rede ant singe , ant alle hire sacramenz strenc e ou gostliche. a1300 Cursor M. 12894 A! Ion..nan was worthier an ou Hand to lai on suete iesu, To giue him at hali sacrament. c1315 SHOREHAM I. 183 Al hit be cherche sacremens et tokene holi ynges, As hali water, and haly bred, Li t, and belryngynges To leste; And of alle o er sacremens es seuene be e greste. 1340 Ayenb. 14 e zeve sacremens et bye ine holy cherche. c1386 CHAUCER Merch. T. 75 Mariage is a ful greet sacrement. c1460 Wisdom 1115 in Macro Plays 72 Ande now ye be reformyde by e sakyrment of penaunce. c1440 Alphabet of Tales 186 He tuke his sacramentis of holy kurk and dyed. 1460 Rolls of Parlt. V. 375/2 By the sacrament of matrymonie. c1475 Harl. Contin. Higden (Rolls) VIII. 491 A pestilence..folowede soone after at Cantebrigge, causynge moche peple to dye as sodenly as madde men withowte the sacramentes of the churche. 1509 FISHER Hen. VII, Wks. (1876) 273 The true byleue that he had in god, in his chirche & in the sacramentes therof, whiche he receyued all with meruaylous deuocion, namely in the sacrament of penaunce, the sacrament of the auter, & the sacrament of anelynge. 1604 Bk. Com. Prayer, Catechism, Q. What meanest thou by this word Sacrament? A. I mean an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace given unto us [etc.]. 1647 CLARENDON Hist. Reb. I. §198 [They suffered] the Sacraments themselves to be administered where the people had most mind to receive them. 1657 Penit. Conf. iv. 49 The Sacrament of Penance will supply all other defects. 1864 J. H. NEWMAN Apol. 416 The fact of a parishioner dying without the Sacraments through his fault is terrible to him.
b. in sacrament: sacramentally. rare.
1628 R. Field, Of the Church III. App. 205 The crucified body of Christ thy sonne, which is here present in mystery, and sacrament.
2. spec. (with the). The Lord's Supper, Eucharist or Holy Communion. Often called the sacrament of the altar, the Blessed Sacrament, and (esp. formerly) the Holy Sacrament. Phr. to receive, take the sacrament, to communicate.
a1225 Ancr. R. 268 Al e deofles strenc e melte uruh e grace of e holi sacrament,.. et e iseo ase ofte ase e preost messe & sacre et meidenes bearn, Jesu. 1303 R. BRUNNE Handl. Synne 10198 e folk at to e preste went For to receyue e sacrament. a1340 HAMPOLE Psalter vi. 1 Comunynge of sacrament of e autere. 1340 Ayenb. 14 e sacrement of e wyefde. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) V. 231 He ordeynede.. at e grayel and e offertorie schulde be i-seide to fore e sacrement [orig. ante sacrificium]. c1440 Alphabet of Tales 339 He had a gude frend, a preste, at said a mes for hym and offred e sacrament for hym. 1500-20 DUNBAR Poems ix. 86 Anis in the eir to tak the sacrament. 1509 FISHER Hen. VII, Wks. (1876) 273 The sacrament of the auter he receyued at myd-lent, & agayne vpon eester day. 1534 MORE Treat. Passion Wks. 1337/2 Onelye this blessed sacrament is called and knowne by the name of sacrament alone. 1610 R. FIELD Of the Church App. to 4 bks. I. 34 The true presence of Christs body & bloud in the blessed Sacrament. 1647 CLARENDON Hist. Reb. I. §199 The obliging all persons to come up to those rails to receive the Sacrament. 1712 ARBUTHNOT John Bull III. viii, They never had a quiet night's rest, for getting up in the morning to early sacraments. 1804 SOUTHEY in Ann. Rev. II. 202 They received the sacrament weekly. 1835 ALISON Hist. Europe (1847) IV. 136 A courageous priest..at the hazard of his life, often administered to her the Sacrament.
b. The consecrated elements, esp. the bread or Host.
a1225 Ancr. R. 68 Ut of chirche urle ne holde e none tale mid none monne, auh bere wur schipe erto, uor e holi sacrament et e iseo er urh. 1395 PURVEY Remonstr. (1851) 40 The sacrament of the auteer, which is whight and round, visible and palpable. 1419 in S. Bentley Excerpt. Hist. (1831) 30 The box or vessell in the whiche the precious sacrement is in. 1548-9 (Mar.) Bk. Com. Prayer, Communion, Without any eleuacion, or shewing the Sacrament to the people. 1645 EVELYN Diary 26 Mar., The Sacrament being this day expos'd, and the reliques of the Holy Crosse. 1660 F. BROOKE tr. Le Blanc's Trav. 216 The people never behold the blessed Sacrament, but they bow their face to the ground.
c. to take or receive the sacrament (to do something, or upon a matter): to receive Holy Communion as a confirmation of one's word.
1591 SHAKES. 1 Hen. VI, IV. ii. 28 Ten thousand French haue tane the Sacrament, To ryue their dangerous Artillerie Vpon no Christian soule but English Talbot. 1594 Rich. III, I. iv. 208. 1601 All's Well IV. iii. 156 Ile take the Sacrament on't. 1681 Trial S. Colledge 65 Mr. Lun. I will take the Sacrament upon it, what I say is true. 1691 LUTTRELL Brief Rel. (1857) II. 191 The Irish under col. Clifford had took the sacrament to fight it out to the last man. 1749 FIELDING Tom Jones II. vi, Notwithstanding the positiveness of Mrs Partridge, who would have taken the sacrament upon the matter, there is a possibility that the schoolmaster was entirely innocent. Ibid. XVII. iv. 1876 TENNYSON Harold IV. i, Harold. Morcar and Edwin, will ye upon oath, Help us against the Norman? Morcar. With good will; Yea, take the Sacrament upon it, king.
d. used in oaths. Obs.
1500-20 DUNBAR Poems xxxiv. 41 Ane fleschour swoir be the sacrament, And be Chrystis blud maist innocent, Nevir fatter flesch saw man with E. 1573 New Custom I. ii, Sacrament of God, who hath hearde suche a knaue? 1575 Gamm. Gurton I. iii. 27 Gogs sacrament, I would she had lost tharte out of her bellie!
e. the last sacraments, Holy Communion and Extreme Unction administered to the dying; (see also quot. 1920); the sacrament of the sick, in the Roman Catholic Church, Extreme Unction (now officially termed the Anointing of the Sick).
1760 in J. O. Payne Old English Catholic Missions (1889) 29 Jan. 7, William Hornby died at Middleham. He had the last sacraments. 1893 E. BELLASIS Mem. Serjeant Bellasis viii. 184 He left him..to go and tell the Curé..that the Serjeant ought to have the last Sacraments without delay. 1920 Encycl. Relig. & Ethics XI. 574/1 At Cwm Yoy, in the Black Mountain, on the way to Llanthony, the people have at a funeral what they call ‘the Last Sacrament’. The coffin is brought out and placed on trestles, and beer and cake are then partaken of by the guests and persons assembled.., before the funeral procession starts. 1966 ‘HAN SUYIN’ Mortal Flower i. 41 The priest..with a Chinese choir boy holding the implements of Extreme Unction,..myself and my sisters assembled in Father's hospital room, to witness..the last sacraments of the Church. 1972 S. TUGWELL Did you receive Spirit? xi. 98 It is painful,..and at times comic, to read the Fathers of Trent arguing about the sacrament of the sick. 1975 N.Y. Times 26 Oct. 1/5 A mass was held in the Prado Palace at which he [sc. Franco] took communion and received the sacrament of the sick, a religious ritual that used to be known as the last rites. 1981 Church Times 4 Sept. 9/4 He was the priest in the famous photograph giving the Last Sacraments (a term seldom used now) to the wounded and dying on what the Irish call ‘Bloody Sunday’.
3. In widened application: a. Something likened to the recognized sacraments, as having a sacred character or function; a sacred seal set upon some part of man's life; the pledge of a covenant between God and man.
a1340 HAMPOLE Psalter xvii. 1 is psalme contens e sacrament of all chosen men. 1399 GOWER Praise of Peace 309 The pes is as it were a sacrement Tofore the god. 1563 Homilies II. Common Prayer & Sacram. 146b, And so was circumcision a sacrament, whiche preached vnto the out~warde senses the inwarde cuttyng away of the foreskyn of the harte, and sealed and made sure in the hartes of the circumcised, the promise of god. 1613 PURCHAS Pilgrimage (1614) 42 Hereunto the Lord addeth the Rainbow, a new Sacrament, to seale his mercifull Couenant with the earth, not to drowne the same any more. 1679 CROWNE Ambit. Statesman IV. 65 Nature gives man a Sacrament In his own blood, never to hurt a woman. 1841 EMERSON Lect., Man the Reformer Wks. (Bohn) II. 243 Economy is a high, humane office, a sacrament, when its aim is grand. 1899 W. R. INGE Chr. Myst. vii. 258 To the true mystic, life itself is a sacrament.
b. A type, token, sign, or symbol. Const. of.
Derived from the accepted definition of a sacrament as a ‘sign of grace’. Quot. 1660 exhibits an attempt to assign to the word a general sense in which the specific applications are included.
1534 MORE Treat. Passion Wks. 1331/1 For they make theym wene, that..it is none other but a bare sacrament onelye, that is to wytte a token, a figure, a sygne or memoriall of his bodye and hys bloude crucified and shed. 1563 Homilies II. Repair. Ch. 85 The Temple..was a figure, a Sacrament, or a signification of Christe. 1660 JER. TAYLOR Worthy Communicant i. §3. 61 When Jonathan shot his arrows beyond the boys, he then by a sacrament sent salvation unto David. 1875 E. WHITE Life in Christ IV. xxvii. (1876) 486 This second death is never set forth as a sacrament of immortality. 1904 A. R. WHITHAM Epist. Consolations vii. 87 Doubtless also those mysterious contents of the inner sanctuary..were copies of heavenly realities..; signs and sacraments they must have been of God's mercy and justice.
c. A mystery; something secret or having a secret meaning. [After L. sacramentum, used by Tertullian and in the Old Latin and Vulgate Bibles as a rendering of .]
1382 WYCLIF Dan. ii. 30 This sacrament, or hid trewthe [Vulg. sacramentum hoc]. 1 Tim. iii. 16 And opynly it is a greet sacrament of pite. 1388 Rev. i. 20 The sacrament [1382 mysterie, or priuytee] of the seuene sterris. c1400 tr. Secreta Secret., Gov. Lordsh. 51 God..make cleer oure vnderstondynge to persayue e sacrament of is science. a1600 HOOKER Frag. on Sacraments in Eccl. Pol. (1888) II. 550 In a word Sacraments are God's secrets, discovered to none but his own people. 1607 TOPSELL Four-f. Beasts Ep. Ded. A4b, Seeing God hath vsed them as Sacraments or Mysteries to containe his will. 1867 MANNING in Ess. Relig. & Lit. II. 362 All the words of Scripture are so many sacraments (or mysteries).
d. sacrament of the present moment, any and every moment regarded as an opportunity for the reception of divine grace.
1921 E. J. STRICKLAND tr. de Caussade's Abandonment to Divine Providence I. i. 3 What treasures of grace lie concealed in these moments filled, apparently, by the most ordinary events... O Bread of Angels! heavenly manna!.. Sacrament of the present moment! 1930 J. CHAPMAN Spiritual Lett. (1935) 83 The whole point of the ‘Sacrament of the present moment’ is that it is a..sacrament; it is God's action, God's will. 1943 O. WYON School of Prayer iii. 38 God makes His will known to us through the things that happen every day... Once we see it, our whole life is lifted on to a higher plane. This way of living has been described as The Sacrament of the Present Moment. 1967 J. N. WARD Use of Praying iii. 36 There is the use of the ‘Jesus Prayer’... There is the cultivation of the ‘sacrament of the present moment’. 1979 Tablet 22/29 Dec. 1251/2 We miss the many-splendoured thing in the goings-on of daily life, but it is there, totally transforming it and bestowing the sacrament of the present moment on those who are willing to accept it.
4. An oath or solemn engagement, esp. one which is ratified by a rite. (Chiefly as a Latinism.)
1387-8 T. USK Test. Love I. vi. (Skeat) l. 165 This..haue I saide for no harme, ne malyce of tho persones, but onely for trouth of my sacrement in my leigeaunce. c1400 Destr. Troy 703 Here I aske you hertely at ye may het here, With a solemne sacrement on is sure gode, All e forward to fulfille, at ye first made. 1430-40 LYDG. Bochas VIII. xv[i]. (1494) Div, He dyd varye From his promyse made by sacremente. 1461 Rolls of Parlt. V. 483/1 And tofore theym make ooth and Sacrament convenient, to be true and lowly Subgettes. 1596 SPENSER F.Q. V. i. 25 This doubtfull causes right Can hardly but by Sacrament be tride, Or else by ordele, or by blooddy fight. 1611 B. JONSON Catiline I. i. Wks. (1616) 693 Nothing wants, then, But that we take a solemne sacrament, To strengthen our designe. 1646 SIR T. BROWNE Pseud. Ep. I. vii. 25 Nor are the deepest sacraments or desperate imprecations of any force to perswade where reason only, and necessary mediums must induce. 1752 YOUNG Brothers II. i, Those whom I swore, before they parted hence, In dreadful sacraments of wine and blood, To bring back such reports, as shou'd destroy him. 1801 E. HELME St. Marg. Cave (1819) I. 78 An infant at whose baptism she [as sponsor] had taken a sacrament to sustain and instruct in the best manner she was able. 1832 Blackw. Mag. XXXII. 609 Bound by no sacrament of military obedience to the state. 1890 R. BRIDGES Shorter Poems I. 7 Have not the young flowers been content, Plucked ere their buds could blow, To seal our sacrament?
5. Roman Law. The sacramentum or pledge which each of the parties deposited or became bound for before beginning a suit.
1880 MUIRHEAD Gaius IV. §12 The procedure in those legis actiones was in one or other of five modes, by sacrament, by petition for a judge [etc.]. 1886 in Encycl. Brit. XX. 682/1 He required sureties from the parties for the eventual payment by him who was unsuccessful of the sacrament he had offered to stake.
6. attrib. (sense 2), as sacrament-wine; sacrament-box, a pyx; sacrament-cloth, a cloth or veil for covering the pyx; sacrament day, a day on which Holy Communion is celebrated; sacrament house, a tabernacle; sacrament-money, the alms collected at Holy Communion, formerly used as a fund for poor-relief; sacrament Sabbath = Sacrament Sunday; Sacrament Sunday, the Sunday on which the Lord's Supper is celebrated (in Scotland formerly only once or twice a year).
c1440 Alphabet of Tales 112 On e morn sho went vnto e preste, and askid of hym how many hostis war in e *sacrament-box in e kurk.
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1535-6 Rec. St. Mary at Hill 369 Item, ffor dressyng of ij *sacrament Clothes. 1853 ROCK Ch. of Fathers IV. xii. 206 Over the cup itself was cast the Sacrament cloth, or piece of thin, cloud-like muslin, pannus nebulatus.
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1687 W. SEWALL in Mass. Hist. Soc. Coll. (1878) 5th Ser. V. 176 May 15th was our *Sacrament-day. 1765 T. LINDSEY Let. 1 Nov. in N. & Q. (1942) 1 Aug. 62/2 Being a sacrament-day, I could but barely ask the former how he did as he went out of the church. 1826 A. CONSTABLE Let. 10 Oct. in J. Constable Corr. (1962) 228 Golding din'd with me on Sunday (Sacrament day).
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1551 Inscr. in Deskford Old Ch., Banffs., This present loueable vark of *sacrament hous maid..the yeir of god 1551. 1876 C. SCHREIBER Jrnl. 16 July (1911) I. 464 Many objects of the rarest interest a dance of death (1742).., a sacrament house. Ibid. 24 July 470, I saw a fine Sacrament house, the third I have met with. 1975 A. MAYCOCK Malling Abbey (rev. ed.) 15 The nuns enter their choir from the cloister.., passing..on the right a circular sacrament house on which the light falls from a conical shaft immediately above it.
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1716 Rules Disposal Sacrament-Money 3 In the appropriating all *Sacrament Money to the Poor only..they have the concurrent Sense of the whole Church of England..for above an 100 Years after the Reformation. 1860 MRS. W. P. BYRNE Undercurrents II. 77 note, That fund known as the ‘Sacrament money’ is a relic of this venerable custom.
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1816 in Sc. Nat. Dict. (1971) VIII. 3/2 'Twas *sacrament Sabbath and much had been laid in. 1957 E. E. EVANS Irish Folk Ways xviii. 253 The ‘sacrament Sabbaths’ of Presbyterian Ulster were great gatherings having something of the nature of fairs.
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1768 J. WOODFORDE Diary 9 Oct. (1924) I. 80 David Maby..dined with us, being *Sacrament Sunday. 1796 C. SIMEON in Carus Life vi. (1847) 121 Sunday, 26th. Sacrament Sunday at Moulin. 1897 ‘IAN MACLAREN’ Dr. of Old School i. 37 Black he wore once a year, on Sacrament Sunday, and, if possible, at a funeral.
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1698 in 14th Rep. Hist. MSS. Comm. App. III. 141 Theres a discovery of a designe to have poysoned his Majesty in the *sacrament wine on Christmas day.

Sacrament, v:
1. trans. To bind by an oath or solemn engagement. Const. to or to do, also against.
Frequent in Sydney Smith.
1621-31 LAUD Serm. (1847) 55 When desperate men have sacramented themselves to destroy, God can prevent and deliver. 1804 SYD. SMITH Serm. II. 218 A nation of free men, sacramented together. 1834 EMERSON in Corr. Carlyle & E. (1883) I. iii. 34 A friend of mine and of yours remarked,..‘that people were not here as in England sacramented to organized schools of opinion, but were a far more convertible audience’. 1860 Cond. Life vii. 160 All those who are..by many an oath of the heart, sacramented to you.
2. To make sacred, consecrate.
1829 SOUTHEY in Q. Rev. XLI. 212 The prince was assured, also,..that..his name was sacramented in the hearts of the people. [Literal rendering from Pg.] 1844 N. Brit. Rev. I. 128 Chivalry might well be engaged in the service of religion, for religion sacramented profession.

Charity, n:
1. Christian love: a word representing caritas of the Vulgate, as a frequent rendering of in N.T. Greek. With various applications: as a. God's love to man. (By early writers often identified with the Holy Spirit.) Obs.
c1200 ORMIN 3000, & Godess Gast iss karite & so fasst lufe nemmnedd; & tatt wass all urrh karite & urrh so lufe for edd att Godess sune Allmahti Godd Warr mann of Sannte Mar e. 138. WYCLIF Sel. Wks. III. 509 oven of Crist of..his endeles charitee to mankinde. 1382 Rom. viii. 39 The charite [TINDALE, etc. love, Rhem. charitie] of God, that is in Jhesu Crist oure Lord. 1488 CAXTON Chast. Goddes Chyld. 27 The whiche goodnes is god hymself for he ys all charyte. 1588 A. KING tr. Canisius' Catech. 223 Be the merit of the same maist haly Passion the Charitie of God is powred forth in thair hartes. [1839 J. H. NEWMAN Par. Serm. IV. xxi. 363 Charity is but another name for the Comforter.]
b. Man's love of God and his neighbour, commanded as the fulfilling of the Law, Matt. xxii. 37, 39. Obs.
c1175 Lamb. Hom. 39 Hwet is riht cherite.. et u luuie ine drihten ofer..alle eor liche ing..and seo dan beoden uwilc mon swa u waldest et me e bude, is is riht cherite. c1200 Vices & Virtues 21 Ic clepie and bidde for o muchele karite e is an eu. c1315 SHOREHAM 3 That man lovye God and man, Ase charité hyt hoteth. 1488 CAXTON Chast. Goddes Chyld. 27 In goodnes of charyte is a bonde of loue the whiche draeth us to god. 1547 Homilies I. Charity II. (1859) 69 Charity stretcheth itself both to God and man, friend and foe. 1552 ABP. HAMILTON Catech. (1884) 42 Quhate is cherite? It is lufe, quharby we lufe God for his awin saik..and our neichbour for Gods saik, or in God. 1557 N. T. (Genev.) Rev. ii. 4 Neuerthelesse, I haue somwhat agaynst thee, because thou hast left thy fyrst charitie. [So WYCLIF, and Rhemish: Geneva 1560 ‘love’.] 1643 SIR T. BROWNE Relig. Med. II. §14 This I think charity, to love God for himselfe, and our neighbours for God. 1846 KEBLE in Plain Serm. VIII. ccxli, Charity the true love of God in Christ..ensures the practice of all other virtues.
c. esp. The Christian love of our fellow-men; Christian benignity of disposition expressing itself in Christ-like conduct: one of the ‘three Christian graces’, fully described by St. Paul, 1 Cor. xiii.
(One of the chief current senses in devotional language, though hardly otherwise without qualification as ‘Christian charity’, etc. In the Revised Version, the word has disappeared, and love has been substituted.)
a1300 Cursor M. 10043 Cherite [v.r. cheryte, charite] euer fordos envie. 1382 WYCLIF I Cor. viii. 1 Sothli science, or kunnynge, inblowith with pride: charite edifieth. Ibid. xiii. 13 Nowe forsothe dwellen feith, hope, and charite, thes thre; forsoth the mooste of thes is charite. c1450 Lay-Folks Mass-Bk. 308 Haue cherité with herte fyne.. That eche man loue wel othere. 1587 GOLDING De Mornay xx. 318 Some tell vs that Religion is nothing els but charitie, that is to say, the performing of a mans duetie towards his neighbour. 1596 SHAKES. Merch. V. IV. i. 261 'Twere good you do so much for charitie. Iew. I cannot finde it, 'tis not in the bond. 1628 EARLE Microcosm. (Arb.) 63 A Shee precise Hypocrite..Shee is so taken vp with Faith, shee ha's no roome for Charity. 1796 H. HUNTER tr. St. Pierre's Stud. Nat. (1799) III. 483 The charity of the Gospel should extend to men of every Religion. 1845 R. JEBB in Encycl. Metrop. (1847) II. 709/1 The law of charity does not require me to have a greater regard for him than for myself. But, on the other hand, the same law requires that I should not have a less.
d. In this sense often personified in poetic language, painting, sculpture, etc.
c1300 Deus Caritas 33 in E.E.P. (1862) 127 Let Charite nou a-wake, And do hit er neode is. 1377 LANGL. P. Pl. VIII. 45 Charite e champioun chief help a ein synne. 1726 THOMSON Winter 354 The conscious heart of Charity would warm. 17.. H. MORE Ode Charity, O Charity, divinely wise, Thou meek-ey'd Daughter of the skies! c1850 G. RORISON Hymn to Trinity, Lift on us thy Light Divine: And let charity benign Breathe on us her balm.
e. in, out of, charity: in or out of the Christian state of charity, or love and right feeling towards one's fellow Christians.
c138. WYCLIF Wks. (1880) 274 A symple pater noster of a plou man at his in charite is betre an a thousand massis of coueitouse prelatis. 1393 LANGL. P. Pl. C. XI. 38 He falle nat out of charite. 1455 E. CLERE in Four C. Eng. Lett. 5 And he seith he is in charitee with all the world. 1519 W. HORMAN Vulg. xxiv. 201, I can nat be in charity with hym that holdeth wrongefully from me my landis. 1633 MASSINGER New Way I. ii, I am out of charity With none so much as the thin-gutted squire. 1735 POPE Donne's Sat. iv. 3, I die in charity with fool and knave. 1816 JANE AUSTEN Emma III. xiv. 257 She was now in perfect charity with Frank Churchill.
f. In various phrases: see the quotations.
a1240 Ureisun 161 in Cott. Hom. 199 Nu ich e bi-seche ine cristes cherite. c1250 Hymn Virg. 19 in Trin. Coll. Hom. 258 Bisech in sune par cherite at he me sschilde from helle pin. c1305 Land Cokayne ad fin., Prey we god so mote hit be. Amen, per seinte charite. 1375 BARBOUR Bruce III. 324 Levys me tharfor, par cheryte. 1461 J. PASTON, jr. in Lett. 410 II. 39 Besechyng yow for cheryte of your dayly blyssyng. 1575 J. STILL Gamm. Gurton IV. ii, Helpe me to my neede, for Gods sake, and Saint Charitie. 1579 SPENSER Sheph. Cal. May 247 Ah deare Lord, and sweete Saint Charitee [E.K. gloss., The Catholiques comen othe]. 1594 SHAKES. Rich. III, I. iii. 273 Peace, peace for shame: If not, for Charity. 1601 Twel. N. V. i. 273 Of charity, what kinne are you to me? 1602 Ham. IV. v. 58 By gis, and by S. Charity, Alacke, and fie for shame.
2. a. Without any specially Christian associations: Love, kindness, affection, natural affection: now esp. with some notion of generous or spontaneous goodness.
In Wyclif, repr. caritas of the Vulgate, which (like , - ) is used very generally in the O.T. In other cases influenced perhaps by OF. chierté, L. caritas, or simply with generalized sense.
a1225 Ancr. R. 408 Cherite et is cherte of leoue inge & of deore. 1382 WYCLIF Jer. ii. 2 Rewende thin waxende outhe, and the charite of thi weddyng. Ibid. xxxi. 3 In euere lastende charite Y louede thee. Hosea xi. 4 In litil boondis of Adam Y shal drawe hem, in boondis of charitee. Rom. xii. 10 Louynge to gidere the charite of britherhed [Gr. ]. c1430 LYDG. Bochas I. ix. (1544) 17b, The king, the quene of Corinth, the country, Had the chylde in so great charitie. 1483 CAXTON Cato Aviijb, Tulle sayth that emonge al other charite the charite of our contre ought to be loued and preferred before al othe[r] charitees. 1667 MILTON P.L. III. 216 Dwells in all Heaven charity so dear? 1728 GAY Begg. Op. Introd., I cannot too often acknowledge your charity in bringing it upon the stage. 1841 LANE Arab. Nts. I. 54, I am one who requires to be treated with kindness and charity.
b. pl. Affections; feelings or acts of affection.
1667 MILTON P.L. IV. 756 Relations dear, and all the Charities Of Father, Son, and Brother. 1784 COWPER Task v. 507 Can he be strenuous in his country's cause, Who slights the charities, for whose dear sake That country, if at all, must be belov'd? 1814 WORDSW. Excurs. IX. 238 The charities that soothe, and heal, and bless, Are scattered at the feet of Man like flowers. 1818 HALLAM Mid. Ages (1872) II. 177 Cutting off her members from the charities of domestic life.
3. a. A disposition to judge leniently and hopefully of the character, aims, and destinies of others, to make allowance for their apparent faults and shortcomings; large-heartedness. (But often it amounts barely to fair-mindedness towards people disapproved of or disliked, this being appraised as a magnanimous virtue.)
App. a restricted sense of 1c, founded upon one of the special characteristics ascribed to Christian charity which ‘thinketh no evil’ 1 Cor. xiii. 6; cf. also 1 Pet. iv. 8 ‘Charity shall cover the multitude of sins’.
1483 CAXTON Cato 3, I..beseche alle suche that fynde faute or errour that of theyr charyte they correcte and amende hit. 1526 Pilgr. Perf. (W. de W. 1531) 1b, I begon after my poore maner to wryte in latyn, but your charite preuayled and letted me. 1634 PRYNNE in Documents agst. Prynne (1877) 42 Your Lordship therefore might have in charity forborne to quarrel with my two syllogismes..till you had produced some better of your owne. 1682 DRYDEN Relig. Laici 198 Charity bids hope the best. 1712 STEELE Spect. No. 390 3 She has not the least Charity for any of her Acquaintance. a1718 PENN Life Wks. 1726 I. 137 Happy would it be, if where Unity ends, Charity did begin. 1857 T. HOOD, JR. Pen & Penc. Pict. 125 We all want a little charity shown us sometimes. 1874 MORLEY Compromise (1886) 157 No charity nor good-will can narrow the intellectual breach.
b. Fairness; equity. Obs.
c1430 LYDG. Bochas Prol. v, That their ground, with parfit charitie Conveyed be to their advauntage. 1496 Act 12 Hen. VII, c. 6 [Certain foreign nations] have, contrarie to all lawe, reason, charite, right and conscience..made an ordinaunce..that noe Englishman resortyng to the seid Martes shall, etc. 1647 N. BACON Hist. Disc. iii. 8 In Charity, therefore, the English Church in those daies must be of mean repute for outward pomp.
4. Benevolence to one's neighbours, especially to the poor; the practical beneficences in which this manifests itself. a. as a feeling or disposition; charitableness.
c1200 ORMIN 1017 Till karite ess hall he mahht To wirken allmess werrkess. Ibid. 10120 Karite ess mahhte Iss mikell all unnse enndli . 1614 RALEIGH Hist. World II. xxviii, The Jewes..now upon the breaking up of the Chaldæan Army, repent them of their Charity. 1691 HARTCLIFFE Virtues 367 Their Temperance and Gratitude, their Justice and Fidelity, their Humanity and Charity. 1758 JOHNSON Idler No. 4 1 Charity, or tenderness for the poor..is, I think, only known to those who enjoy..the light of revelation. 1836 HOR. SMITH Tin Trump. (1876) 78 Charity the only thing that we can give away without losing it. 1872 E. PEACOCK Mabel Heron I. viii. 138 Mrs. Heron took the bairn out of charity.
b. as manifested in action: spec. alms-giving. Applied also to the public provision for the relief of the poor, which has largely taken the place of the almsgiving of individuals.
[Some would explain quot. 1154 as hospitality, or ‘agape Christianorum, convivium quo amici vel etiam pauperes excipiuntur’ (Du Cange).]
1154 O.E. Chron. (Laud MS.) an. 1137 On al is yuele time heold Martin abbot his abbotrice & fand e munekes & te gestes al at heom behoued & heold micel carited in e hus. a1300 Cursor M. 28919 When ou sall do i charite [v.r. giues i charite]..gif noght so largely till ane at ou may gif ano er nane. 1393 GOWER Conf. I. 271 To him that wrought charite He was ageinward charitous. 1530 Act 22 Hen. VIII, c. 12 To lyue of the charitee and almes of the people. 1605 SHAKES. Lear III. iv. 61 Do poore Tom some charitie. 1662 FULLER Worthies (1840) III. 119 Doing his Charity effectually, but with a possible privacy. 1737 POPE Hor. Epist. II. i. 231 The boys and girls whom charity maintains. 1863 BRIGHT Sp. Amer. 16 June, A dependence upon the charity of their fellow countrymen. 1878 JEVONS Prim. Pol. Econ. 10 All that the political economist insists upon is that charity shall be really charity, and shall not injure those whom it is intended to aid. 1884 F. M. CRAWFORD Rom. Singer i. 4 The poor thing has been living on charity.
c. pl. Acts or works of charity to the poor.
1607 BACON Ess. Riches (Arb.) 240 Deferre not Charities till Death. c1818 CAMPBELL Lines on Scene in Bavaria xiv, If the wild winds seem more drear Than man's cold charities below. 1870 EMERSON Soc. & Solit., Farming Wks. (Bohn) III. 57 He who devotes himself to charities.
5. That which is given in charity; alms.
The phrase do one's charity, in 4b., easily passed into give one's charity.
a1300 Cursor M. 19062 He am be-heild, bot wel wend he ai suld him giue sum charite. Petre said til him onan, ‘Gold ne siluer ha we nan’. 1362 LANGL. P. Pl. A. I. 167 Moni Chapeleyns..Chewen heore charite and chiden after more. 1608 SHAKES. Per. III. ii. 44 Your honour has through Ephesus pour'd forth Your charity. 16.. DRYDEN (J.), I never had the confidence to beg a charity. 1694 R. L'ESTRANGE (J.) She did ill then to refuse her a charity in her distress. 1711 ADDISON Spect. No. 117 3 An old Woman applied herself to me for my Charity. 1877 MRS. OLIPHANT Makers Flor. viii. 222 An Archbishop..leading a panniered mule laden with charities.
6. A bequest, foundation, institution, etc., for the benefit of others, esp. of the poor or helpless.
The term, especially under the influence of legislative enactments, such as the statute on charitable uses 43 Eliz. c. 4, and the various modern Charitable Trusts Acts, has received a very wide application; in general now including institutions, with all manner of objects, for the help of those who are unable to help themselves, maintained by settled funds or voluntary contributions; the uses and restrictions of the term are however very arbitrary, and vary entirely according to fancy or the supposed needs of the moment; chief among the institutions included are hospitals, asylums, foundations for educational purposes, and for the periodical distribution of alms.
1697 EVELYN Mem. 10 Mar., I went this evening to see..Christ's Hospital..having never seen a more noble, pious and admirable charity. 1748 BUTLER 6 Serm. (1844) 308 In the first establishment of a public charity. 1788 J. POWELL Devises (1827) II. 15 Lord Eldon lately held that Jews were properly excluded from the Bedford charity, consisting of a grammar school, etc. 1803 Med. Jrnl. VIII. 538 Upon the recommendation of any one for relief by this Charity. Ibid. XV. 549 The advantages of medical charities have usually been confined in large towns. 1843 PRESCOTT Mexico VII. v. (1864) 454 With a fate not too frequent in similar charities, [it] has been administered to this day on the noble principles of its foundation. 1853 Act 16 & 17 Vict. c. 137 To examine and inquire into all or any charities in England and Wales, and the nature and objects, administration, management, and results thereof, etc. 1862 LOW (title) Account of Charities in London.
7. A refreshment dispensed in a monastic establishment between meals; a bever. (App. only a modern rendering of med.L. charitas in sense of ‘quævis extraordinaria refectio, maxime illa quæ fiebat extra prandium et c nam in Monasterio.’ Du Cange.)
1802-43 T. D. FOSBROKE Brit. Monachism iv. 31 They entered the refectory to receive their charities (cups of wine), while the Collation was reading. Ibid. xlviii. 264 note, These Charities did not consist of wine only..for we find a Charity, consisting of a sallad, seasoned with honey.
8. A popular name of the plant ‘Jacob's ladder’, Polemonium cæruleum.
1741 Compl. Fam. Piece I. i. 37 Add to your Buds Betony, Charity, Sanicle, the Tops of St. John's-wort when blown.
9. Phrases. a. cold as charity: referring to the perfunctory, unfeeling manner in which acts of charity are often done, and public charities administered; (but cf. Matt. xxiv. 12). charity begins at home: used to express the prior claims of the ties of family, friendship, etc., to a man's consideration (cf. 1 Tim. v. 8, etc.).
1382 WYCLIF Matt. xxiv. 12 The charite of manye schal wexe coold. Of Prelates xi. Wks. (1880) 78 Hou schulde he anne here hem for o ere men, whanne charite schuld bigyne at hem-self. 1582 N. T. (Rhem.) Matt. xxiv. 12 The charitie of many shal vvaxe cold. 1616 BEAUM. & FL. Wit without M. V. ii, Charity and beating begins at home. 1642 SIR T. BROWNE Relig. Med. II. iv, 'Tis the general complaint of these times, and perhaps of those past, that Charity grows cold. Ibid., Charity begins at home, is the voice of the world: yet is every man his greatest enemy. 1705 HICKERINGILL Priest-cr. I. (1721) 25 Though Charity should begin at home, it should not end at home. 1795 SOUTHEY Soldier's Wife, Cold is thy heart and as frozen as Charity! 1798 Eng. Eclog. v, But charity begins at home, And, Nat, there's our own home in such a way This morning! 1865 TROLLOPE Can you forgive Her? xliii, The wind is as cold as charity. We are much more comfortable here.
b. Brother or Sister of Charity: a member of a religious organization devoted to works of charity, of which several have at various times been founded.
1706 tr. Dupin's Eccl. Hist. 16th C. II. iv. xi. 450 The Brothers of Charity were instituted by St. John de Dieu. 1848 THACKERAY Van. Fair lvii, Sisters of Charity..without the romance and the sentiment of sacrifice. 1881 M. E. HERBERT Edith 247 The other person present was the Superior of the Sisters of Charity.
10. attrib. and Comb. (all referring to 4-6), ‘given or devoted to the furtherance of a charitable object’, as charity ball, bazaar, concert, land, matinée, money, sermon; ‘brought up in a charity-school or on a charitable foundation’, as charity-boy, -child, -girl; charity-bred adj.; charity-bob (see BOB n.4); charity-box, a money-box for collecting contributions to a charitable object; Charity Commission, Commissioners, a board created by the Charitable Trust Act of 1853 to control the administration of charitable trusts, with powers as to the management, re-organization, application, etc., of any of the funded charities; charity-house, a house or building devoted to a charitable object; charity walk, a sponsored walk for charity (see SPONSORED ppl. a. 2); charity walker, one who takes part in a charity walk.
1857 GEO. ELIOT Scenes Clerical Life (1858) III. 62 Three assemblies and a charity ball in the winter. 1882 Life 7 Dec. 1018/1 A grand *Charity Ball under the gracious Patronage of T.R.H. the Duke and Duchess of Connaught.
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1848 THACKERAY Van. Fair xxxix. 354 Martha painted flowers exquisitely, and furnished half the *charity-bazaars in the county. 1964 C. MACKENZIE My Life & Times III. vi. 237, I was to play the third part and it was to be given at some charity bazaar.
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1782 BURNEY Hist. Mus. II. 72 The plate or *charity-box is held out to them.
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1714 MANDEVILLE Fab. Bees (1725) I.306 Among the *charity-boys there are abundance of bad ones that swear and curse about. 1838-9 DICKENS O. Twist 21/2 A big charity-boy. 1841 EMERSON Ess. Ser. I. ii. (1876) 55 Let him not..skulk up and down with the air of a charity-boy.
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a1845 HOOD Tale of Trump. liv, Nay, happy the urchin *Charity-bred.
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1714 MANDEVILLE Fab. Bees (1725) I. 306 They bring up their *charity-children to handicrafts, as well as trades. 1861 THACKERAY Four Georges (Hoppe), In all Christendom there is no such sight as Charity Children's Day [at St. Paul's].
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1864 M. B. CHESNUT Diary 21 Sept. (1949) 435 At the *charity concert, here were the whole party. 1969 C. CARFAX Silence with Voices xvi. 115, I sold her a programme at a charity concert.
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1848 MACAULAY Hist. Eng. iii. (Hoppe) Solecisms and faults of spelling such as a *charity-girl would now be ashamed to commit.
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1758 MASSIE (title) A plan for the Establishment of *Charity Houses for Exposed or Deserted Women and Girls. 1856 EMERSON Eng. Traits, Land Wks. (Bohn) II. 16 It [England] is stuffed full..with towns, towers, churches, villas, palaces, hospitals, and charity-houses.
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1887 HAZELL Ann. Cycl. 87/2 The secretary to the [Charity] Commission for the time being is a corporation sole, by the name of ‘The Official Trustee of *Charity Lands’.
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1921 G. B. SHAW Let. (1952) 220 Gertrude Kingston..is going to play Catherine at a *charity matinee.
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1711 LUTTRELL Brief Rel. (1857) VI. 695 There was remaining..of the *charity money gathered..upwards of 2000£. 1840 MALCOLM Trav. 32/1, I regretted to see so much charity-money bestowed on Portuguese schools.
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1700 R. HOLLAND (title) The Good Samaritan; a *Charity Sermon. 1817 SYD. SMITH Lett. cxxiii, I am going to preach a charity sermon next Sunday.
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1983 Jinty Ann. 1984 62/2 The school are doing a *charity walk and you're invited to join in.
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1976 Shooting Times & Country Mag. 18-24 Nov. 28/2 (Advt.), Ideal present for ramblers, *charity walkers, [etc.].

There we are, now that we know ALL about the friken words, there is nothing that applies to your statement. Furthermore, your statement has NOTHING to back it up. It is your opinion; there is nothing to debate and no argument here. It's a "I think it is, I don't think so, well I think it is, well I don't think so" argument. Unless you have some actual proof beyond one news article that actually applies to the wording used, you, sir, are a troll.

Is poor spelling the sacrament in Alabama? I had always thought it was wife beating and drinking cheap whiskey.

I was waiting for that to be pointed out.

Ok here it is again. These are non christian sacraments.
http://www.rajasthanunlimited.com/hinduism/
Note they are not christian. They are however religious. Charity, there are many forms of charity.

I understand you are saddened by the tragedy of abortion. It is a terrible thing. However, no matter what laws are passed women will continue to terminate unwanted pregnancies. I myself believe abortion should be allowed oup to a certain point of the fetal development.

By the way, do you know what Liberal means? I think if you did you would not pay that compliment to people you abhor.

I was waiting for that to be pointed out.

If you can't spell a word more than one way, you are small minded. Once again, if you can read, you will see that I'm not from Alabama. My name comes from my admiration for the governor of Alabama.

Ok here it is again. These are non christian sacraments.
http://www.rajasthanunlimited.com/hinduism/
Note they are not christian. They are however religious. Charity, there are many forms of charity.
Forgive me, but I think I will take the definitions of the Oxford English Dictionary over a travel web site as to the meaning of words. I also fail to see your connection that paid abortions are equivlent to the Christian idea (hell, GENERAL idea) of charity.

My proof of statement? Abortions for rape are less than 5 percent last time I looked. I love the way you cut that part in half.

So, "I can't afford it" is the only reason other than rape? I think you need to take a logic class, my dear. The fact that abortions due to rape are a small percentage does not provide any support at all to the statement that, "most abortions are performed for monetary reasons."

Forgive me, but I think I will take the definitions of the Oxford English Dictionary over a travel web site as to the meaning of words. I also fail to see your connection that paid abortions are equivlent to the Christian idea (hell, GENERAL idea) of charity.

After all, paying women to have an abortion is like a doctor paying a patient to remove intestinal parasites.

Disgusting little things, they are.

And yes, I know I was one, too. The thought fills me with self-loathing and disgust.

That is my whole point though. Christian charity is done on behalf of g-d. It is supposed to be done to further the glory of g-d, as all good works are.

Leftists are materialists to the bone. I think that their charity is messed up. For instance, leftists think that redistribution is charitable. It involves stealing from one and giving to another. This spanish instance is a bit more extreme but they are giving discounts to help these women give them money. It is perverted. That is why I asked the original question. The original story isn't the only thing. Watch the John Roberts nomination. You will see that abortion is the most important factor for these people.

Christian charity is done on behalf of g-d. It is supposed to be done to further the glory of g-d, as all good works are.

Oh, good Lord Almighty.

Before you start harping on about 'Christian this', 'Christian that', how about you look at Christian prejudice, or Christian hate, or Christian ignorance.

Until you begin to combat those, don't preface anything with Christian. There is no way anything is justifiable or a position to be argued from until that is done.

EDIT: That's the precise reason I don't argue from any sociological point that can be easily labelled - because I will be if I do.

I am not a christian apologist. Instead of saying christian why don't you use the word human? Are you going to apologize for Stalin, Lenin, Mao.
What do you believe in? Are you going to appologize for everything bad that people who shared your believes have done.

"After all, most abortions are sought for monetary reasons. "I can't afford a baby." It is also thought to save one from one's own actions just like the eucharist." That is the context. I was trying to make an anology with materialism and christianity.

There's more than one "materialism" to which are you reffering?

And why are they evil? (I assume since you believe liberal=evil)

There is one materialism. You can give it flavors if you like. It is the same never the less. Do you refer to economics? Capitolism and communism are materialistic. So what? I don't get what you are saying. I am a die hard capitolist. I refer to reasons for abortion. Are there non material reasons for it. Are there any spiritual reasons for it is the real question?

I don't believe most liberals are evil just confused. Almost all my friends are liberals. They will all call you names if you don't agree with them. Mao, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Lenin, Chavez are evil. They are all leftists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism

notice 5 types

and the dictionary definition: a strving to obtain physical wealth; ignoring spiritual values

I don't believe most liberals are evil just confused. Almost all my friends are liberals. They will all call you names if you don't agree with them. Mao, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Lenin, Chavez are evil. They are all leftists.

And Hitler, Moussolini and Franco were rightwingers. Your point?
Neither liberals nor conservatives are inherently evil, only extremists are. Extremists can be recognised by the way they are trying to froce their convictions on others, without respect or regards for any opinion other than their own.
Another sure sign of an extremist is calling people of different opinions "evil"

Um, us 'euro commies' with our beliefs in evil things like 'equal opportunities' and 'good quality education for everyone, not just the rich' don't consider abortion important at all - it's a non issue, because we don't believe in a man flying around in the sky casting magic spells and torturing those with glee that don't believe in him will punish us for ending the life of a fetus. I mean, let's take it to a further extreme - what about all the sperm you kill when you don't impregnate a woman with it? That's potential life and practically a baby - murderer! It's only your socially backward nation that cares about abortion really.

Even the far rightists in Europe usually have no beef with abortion since they can see the logic of it, only the religious rightists do. So, calling it a "sacrement" of the left is amusing - we might as well call policemen a "sacrement" of the right since they believe firmly in law and order.

They will all call you names if you don't agree with them. Mao, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Lenin, Chavez are evil. They are all leftists.

Clearly the open minded Free Alabama has got her/himself mixed up with his ideas of liberalism. :headbang: From what I remember of Kierkegaard liberalism or a liberal state is one in which the citizen has negative rights: the right not to be tortured, the right not to be starved and the right not to be oppressed and so on. I wonder if therefore Alabama is being to quick to tar these famous dictators with his brush of liberal/leftist evil? I have tried very hard, but I can't remember anyone having any rights whatsoever in Pol Pot's Cambodia, or Mao's China, or for that matter Stalin's Russia. I would be very interested if you manage to comeup with something to the contrary. ;)

Free Alabama has just established himself as a new troll on the forums. Let's give him a hand, assuming he is around long enough to hear it.

I don't believe most liberals are evil just confused. Almost all my friends are liberals. They will all call you names if you don't agree with them. Mao, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Lenin, Chavez are evil. They are all leftists.

First of all I would like to say I agree with Cabra West:
Evil is not confined to the "leftists" (scaringly broad term, btw).
All extremists are fundamentally evil in my book (left, right, religious etc.).
Second: How do you arrive at the conclusion that Chavez is evil?
Im VERY curious. :confused:

First of all I would like to say I agree with Cabra West:
Evil is not confined to the "leftists" (scaringly broad term, btw).
All extremists are fundamentally evil in my book (left, right, religious etc.).
Second: How do you arrive at the conclusion that Chavez is evil?
Im VERY curious. :confused:
"Leftists" - you mean they all wrote with their left hands? :)

People like Free Alabama are an argument for gas chambers.Unfortunately,the people who are most likely to use gas chambers(or similar methodes) are totalitarian extremists like Hilter,Stalin and Free Alabama.

:sniper: em all.

A slight expansion on my previous point:
Was Saddam socialist/communist?
That would strike me as odd, seeing how the US at one time was really friendly towards him (meeting him (Rumsfeld, at least), supplying him with weapons etc.)

He´s officially referred to as a "communist/socialist",but his politics were more similar to those of a totalitatian dictator than anything else.

Abortion is not a sacrament, nor a litmus test, to be considered "liberal."

I oppose abortion and would like to reduce it as much as is possible, and yes, this does mean legal restrictions.

However, I also favor basic welfare programs.
I favor low-income housing subsidies.
I favor universal healthcare.
I favor universal education (including free, state-supported college for those who are willing to invest the time).
I favor the right to unionize, minimum wage laws, overtime regulations, et cetera.
I favor regulations to protect the environment.
I believe the military is a vastly inefficient because of the law of diminishing returns. Economists call this the "law of diminishing marginal utility." A $100 billion/year military would be more than sufficient to defend the borders of the United States against foreign invasions, which are what militaries are supposed to do. I believe the other $400 billion or so (including Iraq) is simply waste.

And yet I suppose I am tarred and feathered daily by my fellow "liberals" because I agree with Republicans on one issue. :rolleyes:

Quite the contrary.

I consider liberalism a pseudo religion. I believe abortion is a right under the religion of liberalism.

Jolter said "Does this kind of thread pass for trolling on these forums?" Is that what every liberal wants for those with whom they disagree. What did you think about the difference in the way liberal dems treated roberts and ginsberg? They brought up the ginsberg rule. It seems the only thing ginsberg was willing to answer to was questions about abortion. Do you remember bork or thomas?

You are trolling, you're taking a company doing illegal practises and blaming it on 'liberals'.

It isn't illegal where it's at Jolt. China has made abortions mandatory. Don't you consider Chinese government leftists?

The Chinese government is an authoritarian dictatorship, regardless of if they're 'left' or 'right' they are the anti-thesis of liberal.

First of all I would like to say I agree with Cabra West:
Evil is not confined to the "leftists" (scaringly broad term, btw).
All extremists are fundamentally evil in my book (left, right, religious etc.).
Second: How do you arrive at the conclusion that Chavez is evil?
Im VERY curious. :confused:

Chavez's policies aren't pro-USA, therefore he's evil. ;)

From what i've heard Chavez is a democratically elected leader who loves his people and whose people love him not through force, but because he genuinely listens to them and wants to do what is right. Right wingers are just pissed at him because America used to help ensure you couldn't be anything but fiercely right wing in South America without being targetted, and he's critical of the US - though he did offer aid after the New Orleans disaster.

I don't believe most liberals are evil just confused. Almost all my friends are liberals. They will all call you names if you don't agree with them.

Huh? Why are they friends with you if you feel they are "confused", and why are you friends with them if they call you names?

This has to be an outright lie.

Huh? Why are they friends with you if you feel they are "confused", and why are you friends with them if they call you names?

This has to be an outright lie.

Don't feed the troll, he's gone back under his bridge where he belongs.

Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.
Come on man. We need the dead foetusses for experimentation.

Ok, I just don't get it. I see all these intelligent people trying to make intelligent arguments and getting all riled up by someone who has made no real argument other than "leftists are commies" and "abortion is a 'sacrement' to the leftists" and "making something illegal is one and the same as being endorsed by the state". I know I argue with people whose mind will never be changed but I choose to do so when that person is gaining something from my arguments and I'm gaining something from theirs (we both leave better people because of it)... ahem... Dem. What are you accomplishing by arguing with this guy?

Ok, I just don't get it. I see all these intelligent people trying to make intelligent arguments and getting all riled up by someone who has made no real argument other than "leftists are commies" and "abortion is a 'sacrement' to the leftists" and "making something illegal is one and the same as being endorsed by the state". I know I argue with people whose mind will never be changed but I choose to do so when that person is gaining something from my arguments and I'm gaining something from theirs (we both leave better people because of it)... ahem... Dem. What are you accomplishing by arguing with this guy?

Just venting, I guess ;)

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.
A private business is "euro commies"?
You, sir, are full of shit and should pick up some education at the next possible opportunity.

Look at this. Is this the moral truth of liberalism?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/11/nabort11.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/11/ixhome.html

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.
Of course Abortion is a sacrament. I'll let you in on a liberal secret. We Liberals hold black masses on sunday where a Satanic priest, using an altar draped with the a nude christian girl on ecstacy and heroin blesses the abortion and shares it among the congregation.

That's what you wanted to hear, right? You just want to go on beleiving that you're morally superior to all liberals, so this post is my gift to you.

This thread will be locked, pending moderator review.

All of this sniping between Rotovia- and Free Alabama will stop now, specifically you Rotovia-. You've gone way too far by constantly insulting Free Alabama, despite his posts being borderline trolling. The best thing for you to do is not respond at all. If this happens again, I won't be so generous.

The euro commies are actually paying women to have late term abortions. Is this what you guys would bring to the US? I'll bet you guys think this is great let's have 3 cheers for the euro commies.

I'd rather be a Euro Commie than a Redneck Arsehole.

Ps. "The sacrement of the left" is liber; freedom of self. You know freedom...? Apparently America was founded on it...

No. I'm an intellectual arsehole. You're a dumbass redneck. It's we're having this disagreement.

People like Free Alabama are an argument for gas chambers.Unfortunately,the people who are most likely to use gas chambers(or similar methodes) are totalitarian extremists like Hilter,Stalin and Free Alabama.

:sniper: em all.

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We don't tolerate this sort of behavior, whatsoever. Promoting a death on anyone here is strictly against the rules.

And for the rest of you. You should know better than to not respond to statements which equate trolling. Doing so will put you on the line, if you allow the statements to affect your thoughts and emotions.