What happened to the world?
Sel Appa
14-09-2005, 00:05
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.
Desperate Measures
14-09-2005, 00:10
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.
Um.... I don't really think that less than a century ago we were less violent. Entertainment doesn't cause violence.
Please move along
14-09-2005, 00:10
Let's see... less than a century ago, 100 years... 1900's. Oil wasn't nearly in demand that it is now. Not too much hatred? Forget the KKK/lynchings and other examples of racism/hatred? Respect for everyone else? The world was just about to enter the Great War. Not too much respect going on there I think.
What I think is that you are looking at history through rose colored glasses.
You’re not too bright, are you?
In the last century we had:
WWI
The Holocaust
WWII
The Cold War and all the piss-fights and crises that went along with it
And that’s just the first world...
Secluded Islands
14-09-2005, 00:13
the world sucked then and it still sucks now. no real change if you ask me...
Neo-Anarchists
14-09-2005, 00:13
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened?
Well, the way I see it, the world wasn't all too perfect 'less than a century ago' either. In this century, we've had racism, sexism, communist witch-hunts, massive genocides, and all sorts of other wonderful junk like that.
The world is different in some ways, the same in others. I rather doubt the claim that the world is so much worse now then it was then, the same as I would doubt the claim that we are 100% fully better than before.
Antikythera
14-09-2005, 00:14
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.
i think that all of those play some part in the blame.....the media most of all- not movies and such, just the news
Rhursbourg
14-09-2005, 00:14
Gentleman stopped wearing Cravats, Tweed, Waxing Moustaches, doffing Hats and generally stopped Being a Chap thats whats what made the world go wrong there is hardly anywhere anymore in world where a chap can get a good cup of tea
Desperate Measures
14-09-2005, 00:15
Someone should make a chart showing the decline of quality in good wholesome English tea and the rise in violence.
Ashmoria
14-09-2005, 00:16
the 20th century was the most violent in human history.
i think we are doing better.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-09-2005, 00:19
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Damn, apparently I've been going to all the wrong alleys. Or mayhaps you're just exaggerating, we're not over populated yet, and being surrounded by people makes you less likely to be victimized. Murderers just hate witnesses and pain in the ass innocent bystanders roaming about.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Accept weapons that are "t3h sh17" compared to weapons that are "just shit" are harder to get these days. Back when the pwnage weapons were made of bits of metal and wood that you hit your neighbor with it was much easier to develop a bad ass arsenol. I can make a spear and chariot in my backyard, I can't make an M1 or B52 back there though.:(
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Like the furries and Animecons that pop-up like diseased warts all over the place? You are right here, the Intarweb is making everything more eviler.
Yesterday I spent 2 hours online, and then I went out with Doku667 and killed 12 women just so we could rape their corpses.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Funny, last week I got this long call ffrom my father complaining about a 15 minute news peice that was devoted to some damn kitten that had got stuck in a sewer drain. So he then spent 25 minutes wasting my time because someone wasted 15 minutes of his, he's crazy like that. He is also crazy in the disappearing at the middle of the night because he has "work" that will keep him gone and out of contact for the next 48 hours, but I digress.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
You know what I could really go for now?
Some Global Warming with a side of Intarweb drama.
Vittos Ordination
14-09-2005, 00:21
You are romanticizing a past that doesn't deserve it.
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1914-18: World War I (8 million)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (200,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1948-: Kashmir's civil war (40,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1950-53: Korean war (4 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (1 million)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (30 million)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (?)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (200,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million)
1966-: Colombia's civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (2,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (120,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-90: civil war in Lebanon (40,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (1 million)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1980-92: El Salvador's civil war (100,000)
1980-99: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2002: Sri Lanka's civil war (64,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavia's civil war (200,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (25,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003: Iraq's liberation war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein (14,000)
2003-: Sudan vs Darfur (180,000)
2003-: Iraq's civil war (113,000)
Gentleman stopped wearing Cravats, Tweed, Waxing Moustaches, doffing Hats and generally stopped Being a Chap thats whats what made the world go wrong there is hardly anywhere anymore in world where a chap can get a good cup of tea
Not terribly wrong here. Personal responsibility and politeness went the way of the Dodo.
Hell, fifty years ago there would be no need for Red Cross volunteers for New Orleans because every able bodied Man Woman and Teen not acting as a care-giver would be standing in line with a shovel and broom to clean up the mess. (... that or FDR - God of Progressives - would have conscripted every every able bodied "displaced" male CCC style, herded them into work camps and insisted they clean up the mess...)
What's wrong with the world can be summed up in the concept of "Self Centered -Group Thinkers" - the idea the "I" am "owed" somthing from the "Government" rather than "I AM the Government."
"Ask not what what your country can do for you..." and all that.
Raventree
14-09-2005, 00:32
As far as I can see, while the world itself has always been very violent, the difference today is that there is more local violence.
Certainly there is where I live, anyway. Old ladys getting mugged so often that noone cares anymore, braindead thugs hitting eachother on pretty much every street, psychopathic 12-year-olds torturing kittens for a laugh...and I live in a fairly safe area. The other day some guy punched me because he didn't like my hat and the f**ked up thing is that HE WAS THE ONE WEARING A BASEBALL CAP BACKWARDS.
Man, I can't wait to get out of this country, England has gone to hell lately. I hear New Zealand is still mostly civilized.
Sel Appa
14-09-2005, 00:54
Violence is more localized now. I may have gone a little bad on 100 years, but 150 years is certainly correct.
The South Islands
14-09-2005, 00:55
We got Druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk.
Aryavartha
14-09-2005, 01:01
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened?
Less than a century ago, more than half of the world was under one form of colonialisation or other.
I personally would take 2005 over 1905 anyday.
Vegas-Rex
14-09-2005, 01:06
Violence is more localized now. I may have gone a little bad on 100 years, but 150 years is certainly correct.
It's less that its more localized and more that it moved to different locales. Cities grew, and thus crime became possible as a local career in those cities.
By the way, your decline of religion thing is backwards. Religious people are overrepresented in prison, not underrepresented.
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
No, there were plenty of religious wars that killed many people over the past 10,000 or so years, so that didn't help much. Technology was the only thing limiting the slaughter in those wars.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Same thing; the ancient cultures had the same problems, and were less able to control it (besides the Romans and Greeks).
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
You could make your own bow and arrows, or a sword, or any small weapon. Weapons were still available, at least for those who could afford the materials.
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
I don't know; many of the world's worst tyrants and criminials didn't have access to these. More harm than good here.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Sensationalism has been around since people started to write down and report news; the Romans were pretty notorious for their rather explicit media.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
Games don't lead to more violence, lack of parental responsibility and discipline lead to violence. Murders date back to human prehistory, and there have been plenty of horribly brutal people in the past few hundred thousand years.
Vegas-Rex
14-09-2005, 01:18
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
Did you intend to just quote the first post?
Did you intend to just quote the first post?
No, I accidentaly pressed enter, causing it to be posted without any responses. All fixed now.
Aquilapus
14-09-2005, 01:32
Last time I checked, the 20th century was probably the most violent century in the history of the world. Countless millions died in the first half alone.
I don't see religion as decreasing, in fact, 80% of people belive in God or some supernatural entity. Religion, at least in the Western world, has become less "mainstream" over the decades, but that doesn't mean it has decreased.
Overpopulation is a problem, but there is still alot of land left available on this planet. Just because there are more people on the planet doesn't make it more violent, per se.
Weapons are very easy to get on the black market, and does anyone else notice that AK-47s are still the terrorist weapon of choice (thank's former Soviet Union!). Still, to quote Eddie Izzard, "'Gun's don't kill people, people kill people', but I think the gun helps."
Computers and the Internet do help unite the world like never before, which will probably lead to increased conflict or friction between different cultures. Every technological innovation can be used for evil if placed in the wrong hands. When someone invented the Axe for cutting down wood, certainly some idiot used it to kill another person at some point, but does that mean the Axe is evil or wrong?
The Media tends to concentrate on violent stories because they are interesting and they sell - media bias my ass! Don't know too many people who'd like hearing every night about John Smith saving Mrs. Jones' cat from the tree, and that's true nobility. If you take media outlets too seriously, then the world is a shity place.
Yeah, games and movies are violent and glorify violence, but that's simply a reflection of life, I guess. While this is true of games, you never hear about those games that really make you think. The ones that don't consist of run n' gun. All you hear about are the violent ones. You have to have a scapegoat on something don't you? How dare someone say that the parenting sucks and the kids are too stupid. Remember, what you call stupidity, I call natural selection.
While all your points are true, to a certain extent, it doesn't focus on the bigger problem of a society going down hill. Accepting things we should be repulsed by and shun, or shunning things we should be accepting. Don't know where the flip happened, but it did, and it'll be up to us to fix it, as usual.
You are romanticizing a past that doesn't deserve it.1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (2,000)
I know you aren't directly responsible for the figures you lsted there, but that one is out by 50% - the figure is over 3,000.
Not that it diminishes your point or anything, it just leapt out at me.
Greedy Pig
14-09-2005, 03:01
I think last time it was just as bad, or even worse.
But then last time, there we're less media, so you could hardly tell whats happening on the other side of the world.
Imagine if we had the same media technology we have now and it is during World War 2. Liberal media would be crying for American soldiers to abandon Europe because people soldiers and civilians are dying like flies over there.
The Media I think finally made an impact since the Vietnam war, and since the Gulf war, more than ever.
Kinda like feeling the outrage about Iraq, when there are millions more dying in Rwanda & others that are in even more destitute position that it is in Iraq. The world say Sept11, but did the world saw the Rwanda's ethnic cleansing?
Robot ninja pirates
14-09-2005, 03:33
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.I'm gonna call bullshit on this one.
Violence and hatred is less prevelant than it ever was. People like to talk about this "golden age" when everything was great. No one is sure when it was, just that it existed. It never existed. 100 year ago people lived in tenements, filthy buildings. Crime was much higher than it is today, as was drug abuse. Wars were far more common and were fought man to man. Thanks to modern technology, western warfare is now fought with long range weapons. Less than 2000 Americans have died in Iraq. There were WW II battles which lost five times that amount in one day. Wars were more common, and consisted of armies charging and slaughtering at each other. In the middle ages, most men spent their lives either living in mud and farming, or fighting feudal and petty wars over land. Hardly civilized compared to today. Violence existed long before video games. Life back then was "nastry, brutish, and short".
Anyone who complains about overpopulation has obviously never been otuside a major city. I can go an hour north and be in upstate New York, where the people are outnumbered by the cows. Wilderness. There's plenty of room.
Ever hear of slavery. 300 years ago it was commonplace. What about segregation or racism? People can be very cruel towards their fellow man, that is much less common now.
And religion? Gimme a break. Popes used to have families and lead armies into battle. They were corrupt, giving out top positions to their sons and friends, and violent. Nobody practiced what they preached. The difference today is that people don't pretend to be "pure".
Anybody who thinks the world is somehow going downhill has been listening to too many "When I was your age..." stories from old guys.
Cher sunbeam
14-09-2005, 03:43
centuries ago we couldn't destroy the earth. now we can.
Teh_pantless_hero
14-09-2005, 03:55
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Indeed, we must bring back strict religious belief, or else!
No one suspects the Spanish Inquisition!
Melkor Unchained
14-09-2005, 03:58
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
You're joking, right? Human interaction is no more contentious now than it was ten decades ago. We weren't fighting over oil, but we were fighting over things like colonies, money, trade rights, shipping routes, and land.
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
They don't? Funny, I didn't know we had Islamic extremists and pseudo-fascist Christian presidents 100 years ago. Religion has never been a deterrent to violence anyway. You can read it for yourself in the Bible.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Ah, overpopulation. The lynchpin for almost any alarmist "OMG ZE WORLD IS ENDING!" type argument. Take a look at population density figures sometime and you'll slowly begin to notice that the world can sustain a lot more people. I agree it's something of a pain in the ass because we're consuming a shit ton more resources than we used to, but so far we've been pretty savvy about solving the rest of the problems we've faced since the dawn of humanity. Somehow, I think we'll find a way around this one too.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Finally, something that makes sense. Yes, if there's one thing that worries me about the possibility of us destroying ourselves, this is it. The really bad ones aren't actually as "easy to acquire" as you might think, but it can [and probably has] been done at some point.
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Congratulations, Sel Appa, this now replaces "Keith Moon was the Neil Pert of his day" as the all-time stupidest thing my poor, tortured brain has had the misfortune of computing.
If the Internet "connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause," shouldn't it stand to reason that it should connect people so they can unite for a good cause too? Compare, for example, the prevalance of eCommerce [or, if it floats your boat, online charity organizations] with the prevalence of anti-American jihadist hate sites. See the gross discrepancy? I think the internet is doing a lot more good than harm. The idea that it's somehow contributing to the moral decay of our species is incredibly ridiculous.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Damn, you're really jumping on that alarmist bandwagon aren't you? Those things are in the news because the news is competing for ratings, just like everyone else. Those things are in the news because they're news--and claiming that these are the only things on said news is a ridciulously narrow-minded and laughably simplistic idea.
If a plane lands safely, it's not news. If two people have consensual sex, it's also not news. When people don't get murdered, it's not news. Why? because this is the normal state of things. News is only news when it's not.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
Oh God, please kill me now. You can't possibly be serious.
Pepe Dominguez
14-09-2005, 04:20
I liked that list of conflicts someone posted earlier, but it omits the Chaco War, too, the bloodiest war ever fought in South America.. even the period between WWI and WWII didn't see a break in the violence.. it just keeps going.
Vittos Ordination
14-09-2005, 04:22
I know you aren't directly responsible for the figures you lsted there, but that one is out by 50% - the figure is over 3,000.
Not that it diminishes your point or anything, it just leapt out at me.
Last time I am using that damn website! Making me look like a fool!
Sel Appa
15-09-2005, 01:06
Decreased Religious Focus-People are not as scared as they used to be about an afterlife(I'm not necessarily saying there is an afterlife, but if people think there is, they may fear it.)
Overpopulation-The world isn't really overpopulated, it can sustain many more humans, but the costs to other life are enormous. We really need to start depopulation. China is doing a good job except for the forced abortions and favor of males.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-It is easier to shoot fifty people dead with an assault weapon than the same with a sword.
Computers and Internet-It is true that there are good parts and bad parts of the internet, but I still think it contributed.
Violent Media-The Scary Movie 3 depiction of the news is right: just violence, sex, and the weather. No one cares that there is a hole in the ozone layer, we won't have enough energy, the rainforests are being destroyed...
Violent Entertainment-Not sure if this is the exact quote: "If you build it, they will come." If companies continue to provide violent games and movies, people will like them. If they stop, people will find something else, something hopefully better.
HowTheDeadLive
15-09-2005, 01:12
Two words for you:-
Scrappy Doo.
Everything was going swimmingly till he came along. Then Thatcher, Reagan...it's been downhill ever since.
BLAME THE ANNOYING CARTOON PUPPY.
Lionstone
15-09-2005, 01:13
Ah, the thing about the world is, 100 years ago we (Great Britain) ruled it.
Since then its gone down the shitter, anyone care to draw a conclusion?
Ah, the thing about the world is, 100 years ago we (Great Britain) ruled it.
Ahem... I think you mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, no?
Since then its gone down the shitter, anyone care to draw a conclusion?
How's this for a conclusion: that innovative British invention, the concentration camp, was a bad idea.
Original post: Are you serious? Before a century ago we were peace-lovin' non-aggressionists? :p
Desperate Measures
15-09-2005, 01:44
Two words for you:-
Scrappy Doo.
Everything was going swimmingly till he came along. Then Thatcher, Reagan...it's been downhill ever since.
BLAME THE ANNOYING CARTOON PUPPY.
Holy shit. My whole world view has just rearranged itself. I need a hard drink.
Secret aj man
15-09-2005, 01:46
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.
guess you never heard of ww1/ww2...and all the nastyness that has gone on from the beginning of time?
i seriously doubt that...weapons,violent games or entertainment have anything to do with it.
we have had weapons and violent entertainment forever...remember the coliseum and the gladiators?
i think there is probably..LESS now then then,because the results are even more serious of picking a fight/war now more then ever.
global warming?
i am not a scientist,so i have no clue..and honestly...i could care less.
shit happens,and maybe the world would be better off without us anyway,lol.
but that aint gonna happen in my/my kids/mykids kids lifetime so screw it.
and hopefully if it is happenning,sooner then later they(scientists/inventors)will come up with alternate fuels that don't pollute our enviroment.
if you are that concerned or anyone for that matter...become a scientist or alt. fuel engineer,and in the meantime...quit driving or using anything that requires the consumption of fossil fuels(electricity,furniture,plastics,computers,damn near anything)
i happen to like the niceties of modern life,and i am not a capitalistic pig consumer,i just realize that it is very easy to bitch and moan about something,and not do a damn thing about it.
not saying that about you or even anyone on this board,just it is easy to complain and yet still enjoy the things fossil fuels have provided.
hell my brother brought a hybred car,and if the price ever comes down i will too.
until there is an alternative,i guess my point is...wtf can you do other then symbolic measures.
if was rich or could wave a magic wand...all homes would be solar powered,all cars would be hybreds(even they require fossil fuel burning to produce...probably more ,due to all the batteries maybe)we would use a hell of alot more nucleur energy..but that has it's pitfalls from terrorists to expended fuel disposal to human screwups.
if some light appeared in the sky and said to the whole world...back to the caves..i would happily do it..i can survive in any enviroment practically,i would actually enjoy it,till i died from some disease from lack of medicine..again made by machines ,made from petroleum products. :confused:
Lionstone
15-09-2005, 01:48
Ahem... I think you mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, no?
How's this for a conclusion: that innovative British invention, the concentration camp, was a bad idea.
Yes I do mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
And okay, the concentration camp want one of our good days was it?. But we didnt do the gas chambers and crematoria thing at least.
Secret aj man
15-09-2005, 01:50
Less than a century ago, there were no oil fights, not too much hatred, and respect for everyone else. What happened? I have several ideas:
Decreased Religious Focus-people don't reall care about their religion as much any more. So maybe they don't think doing bad things will be a problem.
Overpopulation-With 6.5 Billion people, there creates room for any random wacko from Kim Jong-Il to rapes in every alley.
Increased Weapon Availabilty-weapons are quite easy to acquire nowadays and are more deadly than ever
Computers and Internet-Connects people together so they can unite for an evil cause easily.
Violent Media-All that seems to be in the news is rapes, murders, and wars.
Violent Entertainment-Many games are really violent and glorify violence. Movies too.
So what do you think. Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a nutjob? Global Warming doesn't exist? (don't talk about that please)
Well, enjoy.
guess you never heard of ww1/ww2...and all the nastyness that has gone on from the beginning of time?
i seriously doubt that...weapons,violent games or entertainment have anything to do with it.
we have had weapons and violent entertainment forever...remember the coliseum and the gladiators?
i think there is probably..LESS now then then,because the results are even more serious of picking a fight/war now more then ever.
global warming?
i am not a scientist,so i have no clue..and honestly...i could care less.
shit happens,and maybe the world would be better off without us anyway,lol.
but that aint gonna happen in my/my kids/mykids kids lifetime so screw it.
and hopefully if it is happenning,sooner then later they(scientists/inventors)will come up with alternate fuels that don't pollute our enviroment.
if you are that concerned or anyone for that matter...become a scientist or alt. fuel engineer,and in the meantime...quit driving or using anything that requires the consumption of fossil fuels(electricity,furniture,plastics,computers,damn near anything)
i happen to like the niceties of modern life,and i am not a capitalistic pig consumer,i just realize that it is very easy to bitch and moan about something,and not do a damn thing about it.
not saying that about you or even anyone on this board,just it is easy to complain and yet still enjoy the things fossil fuels have provided.
hell my brother brought a hybred car,and if the price ever comes down i will too.
until there is an alternative,i guess my point is...wtf can you do other then symbolic measures.
if was rich or could wave a magic wand...all homes would be solar powered,all cars would be hybreds(even they require fossil fuel burning to produce...probably more ,due to all the batteries maybe)we would use a hell of alot more nucleur energy..but that has it's pitfalls from terrorists to expended fuel disposal to human screwups.
if some light appeared in the sky and said to the whole world...back to the caves..i would happily do it..i can survive in any enviroment practically,i would actually enjoy it,till i died from some disease from lack of medicine..again made by machines ,made from petroleum products. :confused:
p.s.the people back in the day ARE the ones that invented religion,so you can also rule that out....
people are just going mental for whatever reason,and i'll be damned to explain it.
Sel Appa
15-09-2005, 01:51
global warming?...
Well, someone can read directions. :p
...Scrappy Doo...
Yeah, he always has been stupid and annoying. You might have a point there.
And okay, the concentration camp want one of our good days was it?. But we didnt do the gas chambers and crematoria thing at least.
No, but it was certainly a step towards them, and the colonialism which we indulged in so freely can be identified as one of the roots of many of the conflicts of the past hundred years.
Lionstone
15-09-2005, 02:24
Yeah...
I prefer to look on the up side. Better transport, great technological and cultural advances, huge mustaches and silly hats......
Law and order.
Exploration
Medicine
The list goes on.