Populism
Sel Appa
13-09-2005, 02:55
As of today, I have converted from Socialism to Populism. By populism, I don't mean Chavez's communistic form or the farmer-rule of the late-1800s US(well I like the idea of free silver). I mean true populism where the people rule themselves, but still have private ownership. It's easier to implement then Socialism, but fairer than Liberal Republics. There are no rich politicians, just everyday people getting elected to office. So who's with me? hehe
(I may have confused a few things, I am just getting acquainted with populism. ;))
Sounds like a moved-around version of anarcho-capitalism. Save you're replacing the money with... what? Barter?
Same results.
Sel Appa
13-09-2005, 03:21
There is still money. It is pro-small business and anti-big business. Common people instead of Rich people, but no collectivization and less equalization of income.
There is still money. It is pro-small business and anti-big business. Common people instead of Rich people, but no collectivization and less equalization of income.
I'm still not sure which system you espouse, but I'm with you as a small biz owner. Sounds good, save how do we afford the revolution? :D
Vegas-Rex
13-09-2005, 03:24
So is it everyone rules themselves, or everyone votes and the majority rules? If the latter, how do you prevent popular demagogues from becoming career politicians? For that matter, how do you stop corporations?
Gulf Republics
13-09-2005, 03:29
There is still money. It is pro-small business and anti-big business. Common people instead of Rich people, but no collectivization and less equalization of income.
Good idea...that would increase the cost of living 10 fold. Since only big companies can mass produce goods quickly and cheaply.
Face it large businesses are a sign of a healthy mature capitalist system, they just havent figured out what to do beyond that. Youre way sucks, it would be a step backwards by nutering the economy every time it gets slightly large.
Gulf Republics
13-09-2005, 03:31
So is it everyone rules themselves, or everyone votes and the majority rules? If the latter, how do you prevent popular demagogues from becoming career politicians? For that matter, how do you stop corporations?
Really is no different from the system you now..how long is Ted Kennedy gonna be around for you think? taking away the amazing attractiveness the Kennedy name seems to have on bullets....
Armandian Cheese
13-09-2005, 03:34
What do you do once a small business become profitable, and expands?
What if a wealthy person happens to be famous, and becomes a politician?
So is it everyone rules themselves, or everyone votes and the majority rules? If the latter, how do you prevent popular demagogues from becoming career politicians? For that matter, how do you stop corporations?
Good question. I find the former obvious. The only rules need be those against force or fraud. The latter is just a mob rule.
As of today, I have converted from Socialism to Populism. By populism, I don't mean Chavez's communistic form or the farmer-rule of the late-1800s US(well I like the idea of free silver). I mean true populism where the people rule themselves, but still have private ownership. It's easier to implement then Socialism, but fairer than Liberal Republics. There are no rich politicians, just everyday people getting elected to office. So who's with me? hehe
(I may have confused a few things, I am just getting acquainted with populism. ;))
Shows promise. But like alot of political systems it has potential to fail in it's principles.
However, show me results and you have my support!
VIVA LA REVOL...Nah, forget it...
Vittos Ordination
13-09-2005, 03:43
There is still money. It is pro-small business and anti-big business. Common people instead of Rich people, but no collectivization and less equalization of income.
Common people cannot drive industry or be great political leaders, that goes completely against the nature of being common. No matter what system you set up, it will be uncommon (and usually rich) people that come to power socially, economically, or politically.
How could some "common" guy get elected, and how could he possibly be qualified to hold office?
Common people cannot drive industry or be great political leaders, that goes completely against the nature of being common. No matter what system you set up, it will be uncommon (and usually rich) people that come to power socially, economically, or politically.
How could some "common" guy get elected, and how could he possibly be qualified to hold office?
Oh here comes mister Free Market to ruin our communistic fun! ;)
Vittos Ordination
13-09-2005, 04:06
Oh here comes mister Free Market to ruin our communistic fun! ;)
You slackers will never get the better of me!!! :p
Sel Appa
13-09-2005, 23:50
I'm still not sure which system you espouse, but I'm with you as a small biz owner. Sounds good, save how do we afford the revolution?
There doesn't really have to be a violent revolution. Protests and ballots are really how it gets in. More ballots than protests.
So is it everyone rules themselves, or everyone votes and the majority rules? If the latter, how do you prevent popular demagogues from becoming career politicians? For that matter, how do you stop corporations?
It is a republic-style, but may involve term limits for every office. Corporations are broken up or heavily-regulated.
Good idea...that would increase the cost of living 10 fold. Since only big companies can mass produce goods quickly and cheaply.
Face it large businesses are a sign of a healthy mature capitalist system, they just havent figured out what to do beyond that. Youre way sucks, it would be a step backwards by nutering the economy every time it gets slightly large.
Big business doesn't necessarily have to go. It can be regulated, but it would be very strict. (constant inspections)
What do you do once a small business become profitable, and expands?
What if a wealthy person happens to be famous, and becomes a politician?
See how it goes and maybe step in after a certain point.
The opportunity for anyone to run has to be open, they have to be financed by an outside source.
Shows promise. But like alot of political systems it has potential to fail in it's principles.
However, show me results and you have my support!
VIVA LA REVOL...Nah, forget it...
Can you wait about 20 years?
Common people cannot drive industry or be great political leaders, that goes completely against the nature of being common. No matter what system you set up, it will be uncommon (and usually rich) people that come to power socially, economically, or politically.
How could some "common" guy get elected, and how could he possibly be qualified to hold office?
The common man is qualified by his experience in knowing the plight of the people.
Sel Appa
13-09-2005, 23:53
A few examples of Populists or near Populists:
Hugo Chavez-except he sort of communistizes it.
Mays Gilliam(Head of State{Movie})-this is an almost perfect example.
Teddy Roosevelt-he's close(trust-busting)
As of today, I have converted from Socialism to Populism. By populism, I don't mean Chavez's communistic form or the farmer-rule of the late-1800s US(well I like the idea of free silver). I mean true populism where the people rule themselves, but still have private ownership. It's easier to implement then Socialism, but fairer than Liberal Republics. There are no rich politicians, just everyday people getting elected to office. So who's with me? hehe
(I may have confused a few things, I am just getting acquainted with populism. ;))
Well, call me when your plans to rule the universe are done.
Sel Appa
13-09-2005, 23:54
No, I stop at the borders of the Russian Empire plus the Mongol Emprie.
No, I stop at the borders of the Russian Empire plus the Mongol Emprie.
Okay, let's leave it at that.
Frangland
14-09-2005, 00:01
There is still money. It is pro-small business and anti-big business. Common people instead of Rich people, but no collectivization and less equalization of income.
...and everyone will be able to either:
a)Get jobs at these small businesses
or
b)Start said small businesses?
what happens when one-quarter to one-half of your population either isn't entrepreneurial or can't find a job at someone else's small business?
Big business is great for creating jobs... a fact that's being overlooked imo.
Sel Appa
14-09-2005, 00:07
...and everyone will be able to either:
a)Get jobs at these small businesses
or
b)Start said small businesses?
what happens when one-quarter to one-half of your population either isn't entrepreneurial or can't find a job at someone else's small business?
Big business is great for creating jobs... a fact that's being overlooked imo.
Well 2-child limits solves that problem, but it takes a while. There weren't many unemployed during the 1600s.
Michaelic France
14-09-2005, 00:10
:eek: Don't turn your back on the teachings of Marx! Communism is the answer to our political woes! Workers of the world unite!!!
Vittos Ordination
14-09-2005, 00:14
A few examples of Populists or near Populists:
Hugo Chavez-except he sort of communistizes it.
Mays Gilliam(Head of State{Movie})-this is an almost perfect example.
Teddy Roosevelt-he's close(trust-busting)
I think Woodrow Wilson would be more appropriate than Teddy Roosevelt, although Wilson was a racist.