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Favorite Old Muscle/Pony Car?

MoparRocks
12-09-2005, 23:38
I am the only one who has an appreciation for vintage American (and, in some cases, Australian) muscle & pony cars.

Muscle cars, you know, were created for one purpose: Acceleration. The way they're designed often leads to low top speeds (usually around 120 to 135mph) but excellent straight-line acceleration. For instance, a '68 Plymouth Road Runner equipped with a 383-4bbl. (335hp gross; 290-310 net), a 4spd transmission, and a 4.10 SureGrip rear-end could get them to 60mph in about 6 seconds, provided a good driver and proper conditions. In 1968, this was mind-bogglingly fast. Most European supercars from that time to the same or more time to get to that speed. Often, their top speed was 15-20mph more. Braking and handling, naturally, was much better. But they cost a LOT more. A '62 Ferrari 250 GTO was about as fast as a '64 Pontiac GTO (w/ minor mods), but cost much, much more. About $13k more in total. Nobody could afford one; that is, if they could even find one, as only about 40 were made.

Now, then there's the pony cars. With their short wheelbases and lightweight small-block engines, most of them handled exceptionally. Some examples that come to mind include the Camaro Z/28, with a 302-4V V8 that produced about 360hp (gross) and weighed very little. It featured optional 4-wheel disc brakes* and an optional heavy-duty close-ratio transmission, the M22 Rock-Crusher. This, and Mopar's TorqueFlite Automatic, are very good and reliable transmissions. Bulletproof. Another that comes to mind is the '64-1/2 through '66 Mustang GT. Sure, they had pretty basic suspensions, and only front disc brakes, but they were good handlers. Especially the 1965 Shleby GT350. That was a true sports car- in every meaning of the word. Look it up.

*Only from 1967-69, and you had to install them yourself.

Now, on to the poll...

Another thing I'd like to point out is the fact that most muscle car engines have a very broad power-curve. Most muscle cars got their peak torque from idle all the way to redline. Most muscle car engines are very durable and reliable, with the execptions of one's such as Mopar's infamous 426 Hemi (465hp gross/375hp net) and Chevy's fire-breathing 427 TurboJet models. Now, you may be thinking "Boy, those sure took a lot of displacement to get that power." Yeah, that maybe true. In some cases. Either way, that was VERY impressive in the '60s.
Mitigation
13-09-2005, 01:27
I'm no car afficianado.... but how did you manage to leave the Hemi Cuda off that list?
Free United States
13-09-2005, 02:02
1967 Shelby Cobra GT 500
Go Rally, Go!
[NS]Simonist
13-09-2005, 02:05
1969 Ford Mustang has to be my absolute favourite, but my boyfriend has a '72 in great condition, so I deal with it being the wrong year :rolleyes: *sigh* the things you do for love.....
Neutered Sputniks
13-09-2005, 02:18
1968 or 1969 Olds 442 - Cherry red with black racing stripes...
Nadkor
13-09-2005, 02:21
Shelby Cobra.

Gorgeous. Awesome performance, too.
Antikythera
13-09-2005, 02:38
the 72 monte carlo is my favorite
MoparRocks
13-09-2005, 02:42
I saw a red '72 Mustang a week ago. It was loud. Probably a 351.
Keruvalia
13-09-2005, 03:31
Ladies and Gentlemen ....

The 1972 Chevy Camaro SS

http://www.unlc.biz/images/72greenSS_010804_01.jpg

Hell freakin' YES!
Druidville
13-09-2005, 03:58
Well, Mustang Mach One is a nice car. Friend had one hopped up to 600Hp. That was fun. :D But I still like the Buick GS, notably the Stage One version with the 455 and all that.
Carnivorous Lickers
13-09-2005, 04:14
Ladies and Gentlemen ....

The 1972 Chevy Camaro SS

http://www.unlc.biz/images/72greenSS_010804_01.jpg

Hell freakin' YES!


Thats a beautiful ride.

I had a 67 RS Convertible. Red, w/White interior & top with a 327 in my senior year.

My best friend had a red 68 Mustang Coupe with a 289.

We were popular and drove home very fast every damn day.
Carnivorous Lickers
13-09-2005, 04:15
Shelby Cobra.

Gorgeous. Awesome performance, too.


A dream car...
Neutered Sputniks
13-09-2005, 04:23
My dad's first car was a 1970 Mach I with a 2-bbl 289...(his brother was responsible for talking him out of the 4-bbl 351C)

I wouldnt mind having one, just to fix it up and give to him...
Hiberniae
13-09-2005, 04:28
Yeah the Cuda really should have been included, but the charger will suffice. I haven't been able to drive to many classics but then again im only 19. But I have driven a 70' Charger, 71 Cuda (Viper Red with white racing stripes the paint color and the radio being the only non original items), and two 70/71 Dusters. AH I wish I had that cuda.
Squi
13-09-2005, 04:42
Mustang all the way. The camero never felt like it had enough power (may be due to my never having driven one with the optional heavy duty transmission) and the Chevelle was fun but didn't handle well, same for the Darts I've driven. The only other onse I've driven were the Javalin and the Charger, but since I wasn't allowed to play with them I can't say much about them. They are fun to drive though, I recall my Chevelle used to start to shimmy 78mph and I was going to fix until I realized it was the only thing that kept me from going too fast all the time. As for the handling, I supect it was mostly due the fact that those babies took air really well and the roads I could play on weren't well maintained, may be why I like the Mustang, which I didn't drive on the same roads.
Carnivorous Lickers
13-09-2005, 04:47
Mustang all the way. The camero never felt like it had enough power (may be due to my never having driven one with the optional heavy duty transmission) and the Chevelle was fun but didn't handle well, same for the Darts I've driven. The only other onse I've driven were the Javalin and the Charger, but since I wasn't allowed to play with them I can't say much about them. They are fun to drive though, I recall my Chevelle used to start to shimmy 78mph and I was going to fix until I realized it was the only thing that kept me from going too fast all the time. As for the handling, I supect it was mostly due the fact that those babies took air really well and the roads I could play on weren't well maintained, may be why I like the Mustang, which I didn't drive on the same roads.

My father in law has a 62 Corvette. He added fuel injection. That car is a rocket and its beautiful.
Wasted Genius
13-09-2005, 04:55
I've had lots of cars and trucks; some POS's, some economical, some I don't really remember that well. But at the top of the list was my '70 Chevelle SS. Like Squi, I had a hard time keeping it on the ground at high speed. Handling was poor when airborne. Great memories of tearin' up Michigan Ave. on Friday and Saturday nights only to spend all Sunday afternoon adjusting the valves. 396 4bbl. gulped gas, but did something useful with it at least. :)
Squi
13-09-2005, 05:17
My father in law has a 62 Corvette. He added fuel injection. That car is a rocket and its beautiful.Corvettes were sports cars, entirely different class from the pony cars. Pony cars were all about the power, the whole idea was to put as big an engine as you could in and cut the chasis down as much as possible. Small (relatively) car, big engine.