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General Honore for President of the US!

Eutrusca
12-09-2005, 19:03
COMMENTARY: General Russel Honore is the sort of man we need in charge: goal oriented, hard-charging, and no-nonsense. I would love to see him as President.


The Category 5 General

There's a Big Job to Be Done in New Orleans. Russel Honore Measures Up.

By Lynne Duke
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 12, 2005; Page C01

NEW ORLEANS

There's the swagger, and that ever-present stogie. There's the height and heft of his physique. And that barking voice with its font of perhaps impolitic obscenities ("That's b.s," he famously asserted on national TV), not to mention his penchant for not suffering fools, as is the prerogative of a three-star general.

U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honore, 57, is the kind of commander you don't mess with, you don't cross, who punctuates pronouncements with barked questions like "Everybody got that?" And he's so steeped in military culture that he ends his televised sound bites as if ending an army radio transmission: "Over."

But it's for something far less idiosyncratic, far more visceral, that the troops on the battered streets of New Orleans hold him in high regard: He's a soldier's soldier, the man you want in the trenches with you, the kind of man who'll cover your back.

As he strides through a command center set up outside the shuttered and storm-battered Harrah's casino here on Saturday, that is why the troops want to shake his hand, look him in the eye and thank him even as he thanks them for their work.

He's wrapped his big mitts around the hand of Spec. Amy Firestone, a member of the quick reaction force from the 1345th Transportation Company of the Oklahoma National Guard. She served in the dreaded Superdome, packed with evacuees and mayhem.

"Did you see any murders?" the general asks her sympathetically.

"I seen some stabbings, sir," she confides, her voice dripping with regret over what she witnessed.

He pats her on the shoulder, saying, "Thank you for being a good soldier," and palms a 1st Army medallion into her hand as a keepsake as he moves on to the crowd of troops and cops who have gravitated to him.

Mayor Ray Nagin called Honore (pronounced ah-NOR-ay) "one John Wayne dude" when the general arrived here after the storm and started taking charge. It seemed the city had spiraled out of anyone's control when the 6-foot-2 general with the pencil mustache and caramel skin appeared from obscurity and threw his weight against the mayhem.

"He's got the power to make things happen," Firestone says. Nearby, Honore is pledging to a volunteer that the Army will find a way to retrieve 1,000 pounds of meat the man wants to donate for the troops. "It's awesome that he came here," Firestone says. "He's the first general I've seen come down here."

Every day, he's there -- or somewhere: New Orleans, the Mississippi-Alabama coast, or Camp Shelby up near Hattiesburg, Miss., where Joint Task Force Katrina is based. From there he commutes via Black Hawk helicopter after each day's Battle Update Briefing, where his pronouncements are punctuated with choice phrases like one that bursts from his lips during a brief tirade Saturday over another commander's statements about weapons status for Joint Task Force Katrina: "It ain't his [expletive] job! I mean, how the [expletive] did he do that?"

That's the general, the farmer turned career military man of 36 years, speaking his mind, propriety be damned.

Yes, he offers in an interview aboard his Black Hawk, his wife of 34 years, Beverly, has admonished him from time to time about that intimidating public manner, about "using the word 'b.s.' on TV," he says. (The recent usage came when a reporter told Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that a Louisiana politician had complained there was too much red tape facing victims. Before Chertoff could answer, Honore snapped: "That's b.s.!")

But he also believes that "it takes a big personality to command the army east of the Mississippi River."

That's the region of the Army's 1st Division, and he is its commanding general, based in Atlanta, overseeing the preparations of units being deployed to Iraq. As leader of the Joint Task Force Katrina, he now commands all active-duty troops from all military branches devoted to the storm recovery operation. As of Saturday, those troops numbered 20,800, and more are coming. (National Guard troops number 50,000, but they are not under Honore's command.) And yes, he says he is a John Wayne fan, has seen all his movies. But he asserts that the troops in general are taking the battle (recovery) to the enemy (Katrina's destruction).

"This ain't about me," he says, there amid the troops. "This is about us."

With his leadership of U.S. armed forces in the post-Katrina operation, he burst onto the public stage with broadcast images of him deploying troops on New Orleans streets and growling, "Lower your weapons!"

A few days later, when he is heard barking at a soldier to "sling it" (meaning his M-16), he explains, "It's a zero-threat environment" and he doesn't want soldiers' demeanor to suggest "that the city is under siege."

And yet the water-logged streets of New Orleans are filled with troops, police, firefighters, FEMA recovery officials. With the vast majority of New Orleanians evacuated since the storm, the beleaguered city is one huge work zone.

In the thick of the recovery, a typical day (Saturday, for instance) took Honore from Camp Shelby to the USS Iwo Jima, anchored on the Mississippi River in New Orleans, where he met with other military leaders to strategize on the remaining search-and-rescue or recovery operations. He met also with Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, the newly appointed lead federal representative here following the recall to Washington of embattled FEMA Director Michael Brown.

He has spoken to the media so often that he has honed his message, his preferred lines (which his aides say he devised himself). He repeatedly says, as he did in an appearance with Allen, that "the storm turned back technology 80 years" in the region by knocking out all communication systems and that the region's first responders were themselves victims.

And, fending off early criticism of the federal government's response to the crisis, he says, "It's like the first quarter of a football game. You're losing 25 to nothing. What in the hell is the coach gonna do?

"You can beat [the players] up and tell them how stupid and dumb they are and degrade them," he continues, or you can take a new tact, find new approaches and remember "there's still three quarters of the game left."

Retired Army Gen. Dennis Reimer, who served as Army chief of staff from 1995 to 1999, is hearing much that is familiar from his days commanding Honore.

"When he shoots from the hip, it's always based on experience, and his experience is where the rubber meets the road," Reimer says.

Among other positions, Honore served as commander of the 2nd Infantry Division in Korea, as vice director for operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and as commander of the Standing Joint Force Headquarters for Homeland Security, part of the U.S. Northern Command. He saw action in Iraq and Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm. He holds a master's degree in human resources management.

One episode that is vintage Honore occurred in 1998, Reimer remembers. Honore was addressing a group of military acquisition officials, speaking about new weapons systems.

His speech became well known to Army brass and was memorable for a particular line quoted in the journal Inside the Army: "You are fielding pieces of crap. Is that clear enough to you?"

Now Honore brings that pointed, no-nonsense sensibility to an unprecedented humanitarian disaster that requires a tough leader, Reimer says.

"It's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission," Reimer says. "What Russ has done is understood what his role is and understood the broad mission. He will make somebody mad. He will step on somebody's toes and probably do some things wrong," albeit very few things wrong, Reimer said.

Switching to a sports analogy, albeit a tortured one, he says: "His batting average will be in the 90th percentile, and that will work in the major leagues any day."

Imagine it: He was the college kid at historically black Southern University and A&M College in Baton Rouge, La., in the late 1960s who had a horse named Big Dan, who worked on a dairy farm and who planned, when graduation came in 1971, on being a farmer.

That's how he was raised -- on his father's farm in Lakeland, La., amid a large mixed-heritage Creole clan (the "Ragin' Cajun" nickname in the Army is a misnomer) in a rural region called Pointe Coupee Parish north of Baton Rouge. He had 11 siblings that included a straight line of eight boys, of which he was the youngest. They grew sugar cane, cotton and corn and had pigs and cows, too.

"I grew up poor, but we had a good family" and a grounding in the Catholic faith.

He describes his father as a "master of provisions, of providing for the family." That skill, he says, was an early influence on his character, along with what he learned of "making the most of all your assets," a lesson gleaned from the dairy farm where he worked during college. After serving in the ROTC while in school, he entered the military and made it his life, much to his father's dismay.

"He was not too hot on this Army thing," Honore says.

But he found it to be a calling.

"The Army gave me open sky.

"I got in the military and I liked what I was doing and the opportunity to be judged by your performance as opposed to other measures." He is talking about race, but he does not want to elaborate. Rather than talk about the racism of those days, he says, "I'm more about the future than the past."

But his past as a farmer lives on. At his home in Atlanta, he is known for the vegetable garden he maintains down the street, where he harvests potatoes, peppers, okra and corn. It's his form of relaxation and exercise, he says.

"He's a very kind person and brings back vegetables from his garden," says Col. Robert Minor, a neighbor, who's received tomatoes and cucumbers from the general.

Honore has raised four children, including a son, Michael, who is an Army sergeant in Baghdad. His youngest child, Stephen, is only 15, and Honore is hoping he'll chose the military too. He jokingly calls it "the family business."

"But that'll be his choice," Honore says.

One of his daughters, Stephanie, lives in Florida. The other, Kimberly, lives in New Orleans. She was out of town when Hurricane Katrina struck, but her pets were stranded for several days in her Jefferson Parish apartment. She asked her dad to save them.

But he was so busy, what with the city descending into mayhem and evacuees being moved by scores of thousands out to cities and towns around the country and troops pouring in and the rescue of humans still underway.

But this week, 10 days into their abandonment, Kimberly's pets were finally on his agenda. Honore found himself with a bit of downtime. As he tells it, he chuckled at what he knows may sound silly to some. It was "a cat and hamster rescue," he says, freeing Gumbo and Hammie from their own post-Katrina hell.
Stephistan
12-09-2005, 19:11
I will agree that until Honore showed up on the scene the whole thing was one big cluster-fuck. He has earned my admiration in the way he has taken charge and got things done in the Gulf Coast. But, President? We don't even know if he has any knowledge of politics, he's in the military, it takes a hell of a lot more than military knowledge to run a country. In fact military knowledge is sort of low on the list of things you need to know to be president. Who knows, I don't know enough about him, other than he really took charge and is doing a good job in that one situation, but you need far more than military knowledge to run a country. I don't know if he's presidential material, but not a bad guy to have on your side in a disaster zone, no argument there.
The South Islands
12-09-2005, 19:12
I will agree that until Honore showed up on the scene the whole thing was one big cluster-fuck. He has earned my admiration in the way he has taken charge and got things done in the Gulf Coast. But, President? We don't even know if he has any knowledge of politics, he's in the military, it takes a hell of a lot more than military knowledge to run a country. In fact military knowledge is sort of low on the list of things you need to know to be president. Who knows, I don't know enough about him, other than he really took charge and is doing a good job in that one situation, but you need far more than military knowledge to run a country. I don't know if he's presidential material, but not a bad guy to have on your side in a disaster zone, no argument there.

Perhaps his lack of political awareness could be an asset in the White House.
Eutrusca
12-09-2005, 19:17
Perhaps his lack of political awareness could be an asset in the White House.
EXACTLY!!! [ cheers wildly ] :D
Stephistan
12-09-2005, 19:23
Perhaps his lack of political awareness could be an asset in the White House.

Well hehe, I suppose if you had a country that didn't plan on taking part in the rest of the world. It is what it is folks. So unless the US is thinking about becoming isolationists again, you need political knowledge.

As stated though, I have been very impressed with his military leadership skills in this situation.
Muesilania
12-09-2005, 19:33
Please exscuse me for what I may or may not say, but I am English.

This is what tends to happen though. When a country undergoes a serious event, leadership tends to change hands. Leaders are pushed even further into the spotlight, and faults are highlighted more so than ever. People then start to look for a new leader. Even though I agree this man would on paper make an extremely good president, I don't think he would be entirely up to it (or in other words, maybe it would be best with this sort of character if he stuck with the military).

The white house I believe is a bit PC, and he would again on paper make a good president in that way, but PC was created (in a similar way to swearing) for a reason. In other words, the terms may have been perfectly good and meaningful, but somebody came along and changed it all, so we have swearing and PC.
HowTheDeadLive
12-09-2005, 19:42
It does worry me when people want a "tough, no nonsense" leader to take charge. You are all enamoured of the daddy-figure, aren't you?
The South Islands
12-09-2005, 19:44
It does worry me when people want a "tough, no nonsense" leader to take charge. You are all enamoured of the daddy-figure, aren't you?

And what type of leader would you preferr?
Muesilania
12-09-2005, 19:44
While I agree (examples of Hitler with his anti-communist policies and Russian Communists with their anti-Tsar/Czar pro-communist ideals), it isnt that worrying. I got the impression he was a great believer in America and its democratic government, so he wouldn't change that. He would be kicked out after term 1 if he wasn't doing good.
Stephistan
12-09-2005, 19:47
It does worry me when people want a "tough, no nonsense" leader to take charge. You are all enamoured of the daddy-figure, aren't you?


Oh, I don't think he's President material personally. But someone had to take charge after Katrina, and until he showed up, no one else was in charge. It was anarchy. So in that respect you need someone to be in charge to restore law and order. But daddy figure? Nah, not for me, I had a father and he was a good one.
Eutrusca
12-09-2005, 19:48
It does worry me when people want a "tough, no nonsense" leader to take charge. You are all enamoured of the daddy-figure, aren't you?
No, I just like the idea of a man who can kick ass and take names when it's appropriate to do so. :D
Stephistan
12-09-2005, 19:51
No, I just like the idea of a man who can kick ass and take names when it's appropriate to do so. :D

Funny how two people can like someone for two completely different reasons..lol ;)
Santa Barbara
12-09-2005, 19:51
I was impressed with him as Nagin was. I don't know if he should be President - I mean, would he even WANT to be President?

If he didn't... then maybe I'd vote for him. Remembering Cincinnatus after all.
Midlands
12-09-2005, 19:58
In the past we had a lot of former generals as presidents. Some were great, others were mediocres and yet some others were miserable failures. Which tells us that two jobs are really different (especially when you further scrutinize history and hote that, for example, Eisenhower was promoted to Supreme Commander not for his experience in leading troops in combat - which he had totally lacked! - but for his administrative and diplomatic skills, i.e. for his "presidential" rather than purely military qualities, and that Washington's appointment was also political). Electing a general with no political experience (especially executive political experience) would be a costly gamble and might well result in a lame-duck presidency from day one. I mean, the president can accomplish virtually nothing without Congress, yet he can not just cuss and bark orders at them (like Lt.-Gen. Honore did upon arriving in New Orleans) - getting Congress to pass anything requires a lot of POLITICAL skills.
Stephistan
12-09-2005, 20:01
Midlands - Exactly, Bush should be thanking his lucky stars for Karl Rove..lol :)
Kroisistan
12-09-2005, 20:10
It is prudent to be wary of military figures with dreams of political power and/or a populace willing to put them in power.

Which is why the words Ave Caesar and Sic Sempur Tyrannis keep popping into my head regarding this idea... ;)
HowTheDeadLive
12-09-2005, 20:43
And what type of leader would you preferr?

Well, i don't want a leader...i want a servant of the people. Whilst i appreciate that in a situation like this, on the ground, a military type is a good choice, yes, i agree, having someone of that nature as a President is a whole different kettle of fish. Military men give orders, others follow those orders. Politics is the art of compromise. See the essential dichotomy we already have springing up there?
Eutrusca
12-09-2005, 21:07
It is prudent to be wary of military figures with dreams of political power and/or a populace willing to put them in power.

Which is why the words Ave Caesar and Sic Sempur Tyrannis keep popping into my head regarding this idea... ;)
Hell. It's "prudent" to be wary of ANY politician, regardless of background! :eek:
Eutrusca
12-09-2005, 21:08
Well, i don't want a leader...i want a servant of the people. Whilst i appreciate that in a situation like this, on the ground, a military type is a good choice, yes, i agree, having someone of that nature as a President is a whole different kettle of fish. Military men give orders, others follow those orders. Politics is the art of compromise. See the essential dichotomy we already have springing up there?
Compromise be damned! Kick ass and take names with a short fuckin' pencil, sez I! :D
Carnivorous Lickers
12-09-2005, 22:27
We dont need politics or compromise right now. We need a return to big stick diplomacy. We need to speak softer, carry the bigger stick, get involved abroad less-because we arent wanted. We need someone who will act in the best interests of the US in all circumstances and not have friends he has to pay back. If our interests abroad are threatened, the threats must be obliterated immediately without pussyfooting around or saying we're sorry.
Emergencies at home should be prepared for, drilled and reacted to immediately. Men and equipment should be near to every major population and the procedures should be simple- "If it doesnt fit on one side of the page, it needs to be redone". Do whats best for us, put us first. Dont tolerate whats not best for us. People will begin to see things our way and agree its whats best for them too.
Borgoa
12-09-2005, 22:40
Well hehe, I suppose if you had a country that didn't plan on taking part in the rest of the world. It is what it is folks. So unless the US is thinking about becoming isolationists again, you need political knowledge.


They seem to get by with that Bush guy (sort of). He doesn't have any disernable political knowledge... or any other knowledge for that matter.

This is this thread's mandatory anti-Bush post as required by ancient NationStates General tradition.
Syniks
12-09-2005, 23:10
I was impressed with him as Nagin was. I don't know if he should be President - I mean, would he even WANT to be President?

If he didn't... then maybe I'd vote for him. Remembering Cincinnatus after all.
Wanting to be President should immediately disqualify you.

Hell, wanting ANY elected position should immediately disqualify you - as should actively running for office... unless you subscribe to the (conspiracy) theory put forward by D.Adams et. al that the purpose of a politician is to draw attention away from power, not weild it...