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Lies

QuentinTarantino
11-09-2005, 23:12
Four years ago, many of us awoke to scenes of unimaginable shock we though we would only see in the movies. Gigantic 747 airplanes crashing into even more massive buildings. A coordinated attack by enemy we cannot see. We were told that 19 Muslim men with a radical views were behind the attack. We were told that a man named Osama Bin Laden is the figure head of this radical organization. But ,any questions still remain, and holes in the official story.

War game scenarios which mirrored the EXACT events were conducted in the morning of 9/11 (and later 7/7/05 in London).

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm


Atlantic City F-16 Fighters Were Eight Minutes Away From 9/11 Hijacked Planes

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/051203atlanticcityfighters.html



2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

In depth analasys of Silverstein and WTC 7




http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg

For over two years we have been asking the same question. Why did building 7 collapse? It wasn't even hit by anything save a small amount of debris. It was a whole block away from the burning twin towers. And yet it collapsed in exactly the same way - a perfect implosion - on the day of 9/11.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104building7.jpg

Here is a picture of building 7 at 3pm on September 11, two and a half hours before it collapsed. The lower portion of the building is darkened from the reflection of the other smaller building across the street. The only fires are on the 7th and 12th floors and are so small they could have been put out by the office sprinkler system. Why did Silverstein and the government make the decision to 'pull' the building when debris from it's collapse would hit the other buildings and start fires in them too?
Many people have claimed that the diesel fuel and emergency generators exploded within building 7 but even the FEMA report admitted that these remained fully intact. The FEMA report sought to explain how the building collapsed but could only conclude, “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time.”

The report is available at http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm.

Why did FEMA commission a report into how the building collapsed if it was already known that the government made the decision to destroy it on the evening of 9/11?



Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

http://www.prisonplanet.com/hijack_suspects_alive_and_well.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1555000/images/_1559151_pilot300mav.jpg

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Dayton Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

Mistaken identity?


Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1555000/images/_1559151_pilot150afp.jpg

Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1555000/images/_1559151_pilot150mav.jpg

He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.
Dalilah Rouge
11-09-2005, 23:20
:eek: :eek:
HowTheDeadLive
11-09-2005, 23:23
Oh dear. Look, i'm all for not believing Bush, because he's a big liar. But lies this big would come out, and come out properly.

Nonsense on stilts. Sorry.
Beer and Guns
11-09-2005, 23:24
Bwahahahaahaha another nut job crawls from under a rock .

Watch out for the men with the nets !
Kjata Major
11-09-2005, 23:26
Wow....ummm I'd sya not believe this post. It has no proof for the claims.
Vetalia
11-09-2005, 23:27
Well, seeing as how any kind of large scale training exercise requires more than a few months of planning, that means that Bill Clinton was also involved! Oh noes! :eek:
Economic Associates
11-09-2005, 23:29
Well, seeing as how any kind of large scale training exercise requires more than a few months of planning, that means that Bill Clinton was also involved! Oh noes! :eek:

Hilary's plan for world domination is slowly comming true :eek:
Vetalia
11-09-2005, 23:30
Hilary's plan for world domination is slowly comming true :eek:

No, there are black helicopters outside my house...the New World Order found me! [/hides]
Kjata Major
11-09-2005, 23:32
What's all this massive corruption and conspircy talk?! ANY PROOF OF IT?! NO!
Kyanges
11-09-2005, 23:33
Oh dear. Look, i'm all for not believing Bush, because he's a big liar. But lies this big would come out, and come out properly.

Nonsense on stilts. Sorry.

I really like that expression. Lol, that just has me amused.

I agree with this for the most part. (Your post, not the crap page above.)
Economic Associates
11-09-2005, 23:33
No, there are black helicopters outside my house...the New World Order found me! [/hides]

Excellent.....crap I didnt mean to say that out loud.
Kjata Major
11-09-2005, 23:39
Only people like the thread starter deserve to be carried away in helicopter swarms. XD

People like him corrupt the follow of information and create massive confusion and distrust to the media and government.
01923
12-09-2005, 00:27
You lost me at '747...' there wasn't a single one in the attack.
Super-power
12-09-2005, 00:53
That nonsense about the hijacker suspects being alive can be explained rather easily, even though it's not PC (but I never liked PC anyway): Fact of the matter is that there are a lot of Arab people out there with identical names. Odds are it's coincidence.

Atlantic City F-16 Fighters Were Eight Minutes Away From 9/11 Hijacked Planes
I know something about Figher jets was true (something legitimiate about it in the media). I also remember that the order to take down those planes, if the horrific need be, can only come from the President.

I hope you realize the weight of the decision you have in your hands when you have to decide to do something like that.
M3rcenaries
12-09-2005, 00:55
and i thought the media lied...
lol paranoid conspiracy nuts make me laugh :p :p :p
Zanato
12-09-2005, 01:27
Hilary's plan for world domination is slowly comming true :eek:

Oh, please. She's going to die a bitter old hag.
The South Pacific-
12-09-2005, 01:44
just one word for your conspiracy. Bullshit.
The South Pacific-
12-09-2005, 01:45
That nonsense about the hijacker suspects being alive can be explained rather easily, even though it's not PC (but I never liked PC anyway): Fact of the matter is that there are a lot of Arab people out there with identical names. Odds are it's coincidence.


I know something about Figher jets was true (something legitimiate about it in the media). I also remember that the order to take down those planes, if the horrific need be, can only come from the President.

I hope you realize the weight of the decision you have in your hands when you have to decide to do something like that.
they did have orders to shoot it down but they were too late.
Morvonia
12-09-2005, 01:55
WOW...i am not a conspiracy belivere at all...but if this is true...then...WOW :eek:
Non Aligned States
12-09-2005, 02:08
I can only think of one reason why the other building collapsed a block away. Shoddy workmanship. They just don't build things the way they used to now. Why, I bet if you snoop around, you'd find that the contract to that building was subcontracted to hell and gone so that by the time it was actually built, only a fraction of the money was left.

A sad but true fact of the construction game. Not universal, but often enough that you get bad egg buildings everywhere.
CthulhuFhtagn
12-09-2005, 02:30
That nonsense about the hijacker suspects being alive can be explained rather easily, even though it's not PC (but I never liked PC anyway): Fact of the matter is that there are a lot of Arab people out there with identical names. Odds are it's coincidence.
Not with Waleed Al Shehri. They released his picture. Guess what. The guy in the picture isn't dead. I don't know about the rest of them, but I do know that one of the hijackers was definitely not one.
The South Pacific-
12-09-2005, 03:27
Not with Waleed Al Shehri. They released his picture. Guess what. The guy in the picture isn't dead. I don't know about the rest of them, but I do know that one of the hijackers was definitely not one.
Cool you found a hijacker look alike. Must suck to be him.
MoparRocks
13-09-2005, 02:50
Only people like the thread starter deserve to be carried away in helicopter swarms. XD

People like him corrupt the follow of information and create massive confusion and distrust to the media and government.
Exactly.
Logicistan
13-09-2005, 03:00
"People can come up with 'facts' to prove anything that's even remotely true"
-H.J. Simpson

I like conspiracy nuts. They make me laugh. :p
Colin World
13-09-2005, 03:12
I don't like when people assume that the media tells the God-given truth. It's not that the media lies, it's that they only show one side of the truth. Unfortunately, American media is mostly owned by ultra-consevatives, and they paint a picture that shows so little of the real life. It's sensationalism, which is the only thing this society seems to have time for.
Wiztopia
13-09-2005, 03:35
Yeah this is total bullshit. Too many idiots actually believe this.
A Flintoff
13-09-2005, 03:40
You know another big lie? I watched that sideways movie, so I tried califonia Pinot Noir. Utter Shite. That's all I can say. Clearly, a Bush/Clinton plot to make the rest of us zombie dog slaves.
The Sanctified Ones
13-09-2005, 04:06
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You have to love conspiracy theorists. They give 'us' some of the best ideas.

One could easily say that all we know about "9/11" is the product of what we have seen and heard on television (And personal experience to whom it may apply).

Thus, it is also easy to say that the media created a scenario based off of loose information that magically appeared not one day after the attack.

What was it that was found in the van at that one airport? A flight book and some arabic manuscripts? Wow. How convenient. Who's to say?

That's not the point.

The point is... ...well... ...Quentin... ...love your movies but all three of your issues are moot points.

So what if there were fighters not eight minutes away from the planes? Do you realize how large your nations air force actually is? I'd be suprised if there weren't fighters three minutes away.

Who cares if Building 7 went down? From the looks of it that building isn't even twenty stories tall. If a fire that lasted for two hours could bring two massive towers down, why wouldn't it bring down a smaller office building?

As for the Hijackers. They are suspects. We can't truely identify them because their bodies were either burn beyond comprehension in a massive amount of jet fuel, or their were pulverized by hundreds of tons of steel and concrete slamming them into the ground.

You my friend, are not illuminated.

Fnord.

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M3rcenaries
13-09-2005, 04:25
im still waiting for him to come back and back this up.