NationStates Jolt Archive


The Ashes

Einsteinian Big-Heads
11-09-2005, 13:30
Well, the series has almost ended, and I think we'll have to reliquish that sacred urn back to the unworthy hands of the English. I just want to know what people have thought of the series so far.

Personally, I reckon luck's been against the Aussies, but you make you're own luck, and for me, it has to come back to Ponting's captaincy.

Thoughts?
Monkeypimp
11-09-2005, 13:34
I still expect Australia to pull something out and win. I don't know why, but they've been doing it for years. Just as a team looks to have the right on the ropes someone does something amazing and they win.

It's hard not to still be in that mindset when it's been happening for a good 10 years.



Would be nice if England could win though.
Sadena
11-09-2005, 13:40
Please rain...
Taverham high
11-09-2005, 13:50
i left to go to the shops when it was 330 for 5, come home from the shops and they are all out. well done flintoff and hoggard.
SEO Kingdom
11-09-2005, 13:56
Come on England, lets try batting shall we
Eight Nunns Moore Road
11-09-2005, 19:28
I think the luck's gone both ways. If rain hadn't stopped play for so long at Old Trafford, we probably wouldn't be bothered about what was happening now anyway. I s'pose you can complain about Ponting's captaincy, but having McGrath out with that freak injury was the big turning point for me. The combination of that and Gillespie suddenly decidimg to be shit gave England a lot of room to find confidence. There again, Simon Jones being out is kind of a problem, but we seem to be managing with a little help from the weather.

Anyway, best series of cricket I have ever seen, and I'm furious that Murdoch now has his evil global-media-tyrant mitts on test cricket.
The blessed Chris
11-09-2005, 19:41
I would point out that we have W.G. Grace on our side; "Cover me, I'm going in!"
The blessed Chris
11-09-2005, 19:42
I still expect Australia to pull something out and win. I don't know why, but they've been doing it for years. Just as a team looks to have the right on the ropes someone does something amazing and they win.

It's hard not to still be in that mindset when it's been happening for a good 10 years.



Would be nice if England could win though.

However, only Warne has a modium of form, and I fail to comprejend where they will procure the winning runs, they cannot cope with either Hoggard or Flintoff.
Blu-tac
11-09-2005, 19:52
Bah, somethin ill happen and australia will win.
Biggash
11-09-2005, 20:17
Probably the greatest series of test cicket ever. Warne has shown why he's one of the game's all time greats, and has been man of the series. It's looking like England, with 9 wickets remaining and a lead of 40 runs going into the final day are in the strongest position, but Warne can change all that.

England's strength has come from their team spirit and the genuine joy they seem to take in each others performances.
Avalon II
12-09-2005, 12:33
Well, the series has almost ended, and I think we'll have to reliquish that sacred urn back to the unworthy hands of the English.


I think thats very unfair. Englands form has been amazing over the last year or so and its been getting progressively better for several years. Its definitely worthy, becuase we've been working at it for so long.


Personally, I reckon luck's been against the Aussies, but you make you're own luck, and for me, it has to come back to Ponting's captaincy.


I dont think "luck" had been against the Aussies. Its England doing there best. England do do rubbish on many occations, but I think when we do win we deserve to be credited. This is the diffrence between Britain and the rest of the world. Because Britian doesnt win as much as everyone else, when we do win we value it more.
Harlesburg
12-09-2005, 12:43
I still expect Australia to pull something out and win. I don't know why, but they've been doing it for years. Just as a team looks to have the right on the ropes someone does something amazing and they win.

It's hard not to still be in that mindset when it's been happening for a good 10 years.



Would be nice if England could win though.
You are joking right?
They havent had the courage to play twice now.
Cowards keep taking the light.
FourX
12-09-2005, 12:51
I would not write it off as a draw just yet - I think it could be quite close and things are getting very tense with wickets falling much faster than england would like.
It'll be an interesting afternoon.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 12:51
This has been the first ashes test iv really concentrated on, and i think that every game has been amazing, especially the last three.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 13:00
Cowards keep taking the light.

wouldnt you if you were in our position :p
Werteswandel
12-09-2005, 13:01
I'm shitting bricks here. Anyone know any potent rain dances?
Harlesburg
12-09-2005, 13:08
wouldnt you if you were in our position :p
Remember you need to Win the Test to draw the series.
If you put nothing out there you aint going to win the test.
You need to win!
If you try and win and lose while trying to force the issue what have you lost?
Nothing but 1 Test match if you had shut up shop as you were doing you aint gonna win the test meaning Good Bye Ashes.
-Add Famous Kippling Quote Here-

Australia must win to keep Ashes.
Harlesburg
12-09-2005, 13:14
I'm shitting bricks here. Anyone know any potent rain dances?
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Siddhartha Gotama
12-09-2005, 13:15
I think its been a great series that has really revived my love for cricket. Both teams have played great and whatever happens its sure to be close!

Personally I'm routing for England (being English and all) but I still tihnk it would be a shame if they win as a result of the wheather.

Bring on a close fought, nail-biteing, RAIN FREE final game!! :)
FourX
12-09-2005, 13:48
Whatever the outcome I hope the english public wake up to the fact that they have world class Rugby, Cricket and Rowing teams that are currently possibly the best in the world whose athletes are professional, dedicated, discliplined, are wiling to play for their country without being coherced and make very good positive role models. As opposed to an average football/soccer team whose athletes are often overpaid thugs with terrible discipline, poor sporting attitude, poor role models, who drink too much, swear too much and on occasion try to avoid the national team as it does not pay them enough.

Come on England... Start supporting a team worth getting behind.

Still... I hope Australia win :D
Jeruselem
12-09-2005, 13:50
Idiots dropped Pietersen twice, now he's going nuts smacking the ball around.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 13:53
Whatever the outcome I hope the english public wake up to the fact that they have world class Rugby, Cricket and Rowing teams that are currently possibly the best in the world

As far as Gold medals go, NZ and Oz are first equal in rowing (based on the just finished world champs) while the All Blacks are the #1 ranked rugby team in the world :p
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 13:54
Idiots dropped Pietersen twice, now he's going nuts smacking the ball around.


He's droped them more than enough times, so they're just giving back a little :p
Jeruselem
12-09-2005, 14:00
He's droped them more than enough times, so they're just giving back a little :p

I'd have him as slips fielder when I bat :)
FourX
12-09-2005, 14:01
As far as Gold medals go, NZ and Oz are first equal in rowing (based on the just finished world champs) while the All Blacks are the #1 ranked rugby team in the world :p
Ok... I reword it then - England have world class Rugby, Cricket and Rowing teams, amoung the best in the world. and I really hope they realise this, give the deserving athletes the proper support and give the footballers the heave-ho.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 14:07
Ok... I reword it then - England have world class Rugby, Cricket and Rowing teams, amoung the best in the world. and I really hope they realise this, give the deserving athletes the proper support and give the footballers the heave-ho.

I agree with you :) I only pointed it out because New Zealand are at the top of 2 of the 3 sports you mentioned :D

England might be considered the best in the world at cricket in a few hours though..
Jeruselem
12-09-2005, 14:33
Ok... I reword it then - England have world class Rugby, Cricket and Rowing teams, amoung the best in the world. and I really hope they realise this, give the deserving athletes the proper support and give the footballers the heave-ho.

Well, at least England have made the Soccer World Cup most of the time since the 1970's unlike Australia.
Jeruselem
12-09-2005, 14:45
England 7/200. Tait just smashed Jones stumps!
FourX
12-09-2005, 14:49
Well, at least England have made the Soccer World Cup most of the time since the 1970's unlike Australia.
Care to comment on the last time England and Australia met on the football pitch?
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 14:50
55 overs left in the day.
Jeruselem
12-09-2005, 14:52
Care to comment on the last time England and Australia met on the football pitch?

I know 3-1 :D
Except when we play South Americans, then Australia choke :(
Werteswandel
12-09-2005, 14:54
Argh. This is horrific.
Taverham high
12-09-2005, 15:15
pieterson just got his century.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 15:52
If england can hang on for another forty minutes, it's all over.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 16:05
I think they've run out of time, unless they get the next 3 very soon, and Gilchrist goes mental with the bat...
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 16:14
They need over six per over. You figure that, plus the lights a concern, it's not going to happen for Aus. now.
Werteswandel
12-09-2005, 16:27
I reckon we declare once Pietersen has 200 and Giles 50, then skittle 'em for about 70.

*is giddy, nay, delirious with glee*
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 16:32
Aus. now need over 8 per over - assuming England declares at this point.

And let's face it, even if they take a wicket now, hoggard has his pads on, and he could probably stand there for and hour blocking away.
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 16:33
The ashes are coming back home. Teach the aussies to send a bunch of dinosaurs to play England.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 16:37
The ashes are coming back home. Teach the aussies to send a bunch of dinosaurs to play England.

You have to wonder what they are going to do without Warne.
Demented Hamsters
12-09-2005, 16:45
You have to wonder what they are going to do without Warne.
Yep, I think you Aussies have best get used to seeing the Ashes back in Pommyland for the next few years. Once Warne and McGrath retire, you don't have much of a strike attack going. Have to hand it to Warne though. At his age and considering his physical state and personal life he still has a massive competitive streak. He certainly carried the Aussies this series.
I can't see another Warne appearing anytime soon. I guess you Ockers have to be content with the fact your country has produced the best batsman (Bradman) and best bowler of all-time. But that's not going to make the next few years easy to swallow when you start seeing your team suffering defeats regularly.
Pompous world
12-09-2005, 16:48
ashes=yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 16:56
Ponting hasn't been very creative as a captain today.



I rate Warne as the best bowler there's been. Anybody want to argue to the contrary? Perhaps if they played as many tests as they do now, Hadlee might be up there.


Sadly for warne, he will probably remember this ashes series as the absolute goober he droped at slip when Pieterson was on 0.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 16:59
Sadly for warne, he will probably remember this ashes series as the absolute goober he droped at slip when Pieterson was on 0.

Yah, that was costly.

Oh well, that's cricket for you. But to be fair, England was only really playing with ten men, plus Bell. So it all evens out.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:06
Yah, that was costly.

Oh well, that's cricket for you. But to be fair, England was only really playing with ten men, plus Bell. So it all evens out.


Australia may as well be playing with 10 men + Tait...
FourX
12-09-2005, 17:13
Yah, that was costly.

Oh well, that's cricket for you. But to be fair, England was only really playing with ten men, plus Bell. So it all evens out.
See... I was thinking they were playing with ten men, plus bell, plus the rain this week...
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:18
See... I was thinking they were playing with ten men, plus bell, plus the rain this week...

But that evens it up with the rain at old trafford. Anyway, I don't want to detract from Ding-Dong Bells magnificent contribution for Australia in this final test.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:22
50 for Giles.



Very well played, sir.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:25
Australia may as well be playing with 10 men + Tait...

Tait? To begin with he's scored infinty times more runs in this test than Ding Dong. And he took two wickets. The two are hardly comparable in terms of handicap to the team.

I'd take Tait over Dumb Bell any day.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:26
I think England should declare.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:33
Tait? To begin with he's scored infinty times more runs in this test than Ding Dong. And he took two wickets. The two are hardly comparable in terms of handicap to the team.

I'd take Tait over Dumb Bell any day.

Lol, I only just realised that Bell scored a pair in this game.

Tait made 1 not out. What a champ.
FourX
12-09-2005, 17:34
Well... Australia need only 15 runs an over now to win...

buggerbuggerbuggerbuggerbuggerbugger
Aust
12-09-2005, 17:35
I think England should declare.
Why?
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:46
Why?

Put the tourists in, have a bowl at them. Give the crowd something to watch. England's down in the tail anyway, and I am sure Hoggard is not happy about standing there with a pace attack in failing light.

Now, Giles has gone they definitely should. I suppose they want Warne to get his chance at forty wickets though.

Oh, well harmison out as I type this. Moot point anyway now.

Twelve for Warne. Fantastic day. I wonder if australia is going to bat?

Hmmmm... yes they are.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:50
Australia require 342 off 18 overs for victory.


That's 19 runs an over.



I say they open with Gilchrist and Katich and tell them to biff the shit out of it. Sure they're not going to win, but they may as well..
Aust
12-09-2005, 17:52
Australia require 342 off 18 overs for victory.


That's 19 runs an over.



I say they open with Gilchrist and Katich and tell them to biff the shit out of it. Sure they're not going to win, but they may as well..
They may as well...on a lighter note Wharfedale got premoted to Aire-Wharfe B :D
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:53
Australia require 342 off 18 overs for victory.


That's 19 runs an over.



I say they open with Gilchrist and Katich and tell them to biff the shit out of it. Sure they're not going to win, but they may as well..

Do you think they'll take the light if offered? Or are they going to treat us to a little twenty-twenty type cricket?
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:54
Do you think they'll take the light if offered? Or are they going to treat us to a little twenty-twenty type cricket?

Half way through the last hour the captains will decide there's no chance of a result and call off the match.


Openers are... Langer and Hayden. Boring.



They should have sent out Warne and McGrath for one last hurrah..
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 17:56
C'Mon lads, bowl 'em out and win us the series 3-1
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 17:56
Woohoo go England, Pieterson deserved his score, giles and hoggard are heroes :) i bet the aussie batsmen are absoluuuuutely hating having to bat again :p
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 17:58
Half way through the last hour the captains will decide there's no chance of a result and call off the match.


Openers are... Langer and Hayden. Boring.



They should have sent out Warne and McGrath for one last hurrah..

Realistically, there is no chance of a result right now.

I think they wanted the openers out because the light's not good.
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 17:59
Ah, Harmison is trying to bounce them into looking at the light. Good man.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:01
oooh theyre giving them the light...
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:01
Ah, Harmison is trying to bounce them into looking at the light. Good man.

Now everyone is confused. Surely if they go off, that has to be it.
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 18:02
Now everyone is confused. Surely if they go off, that has to be it.

Not yet. There is still twenty odd overs left.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:02
nope there sayin it could carry on if light improves bowdens sayin now
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:04
Not yet. There is still twenty odd overs left.

Yah, Bowden isn't even sure. He seems to think that there is time to get through seventeen overs.
Ollieland
12-09-2005, 18:04
Its gone 6pm, the lights unlikely to improve...
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:06
Bowdens bein a bit vague, im not sure whats goin on. They should have a mercy rule :p
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:07
Its gone 6pm, the lights unlikely to improve...

True that. I doubt they'll get back on.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:07
This is gettin stupid now, its turnin it into an anti-climax, they should just call a stop and let us really start celebrating !
Ollieland
12-09-2005, 18:10
Thats quite unsporting of the Aussies to take the light. They can't win, they should have just gone all out hell for leather, and given us some entertainment.
Nadkor
12-09-2005, 18:11
Well, yous are still shite at football

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.cobbe/scoreav.jpg

:p
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:12
Football is dead, Long live cricket!

oooh covers have come on WEVE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:12
Thats quite unsporting of the Aussies to take the light. They can't win, they should have just gone all out hell for leather, and given us some entertainment.

To be fair then, maybe Harmison shouldn't have been blasting bouncers at them then. I am all for a bit of fun, but there is no need to loose your head for it though.

Covers are coming on, maybe that's it.
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:13
Well, yous are still shite at football

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.cobbe/scoreav.jpg

:p

Who cares? At least we are good at something.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:13
I think its finished, what a pointlessly prolonged ending
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 18:13
Well, yous are still shite at football

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.cobbe/scoreav.jpg

:p

Hahahahahahahahaha


Oh, wait, it isn't funny. Cos, ya see, we are still in a qualifying position, and ten points above you. Now shush, fool.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:14
Yep weve finally won :D :D :D :D :D :D
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:14
Bails are going to come off.
Yuwait
12-09-2005, 18:15
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Lacadaemon
12-09-2005, 18:16
That's it, the bails are off.

It's official.
Ollieland
12-09-2005, 18:17
Bails are off, stumps are down, ASHES ARE OURS!!!!!!!!!!!
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 18:17
Come ON. You beauty.
The Downmarching Void
12-09-2005, 18:18
When will the Ashes finally end? Will that mean all you Ash-Heads will stop making Ashes of yourselves?

And could someone please explain to me why 100s of millions of people are obsessed with a sport that puts the rest of the world to sleep? Is there maybe a website that will concvert me so I can become a fan of this odd sport? Or do I just have to hang around lots of AustrAliens, Brits and East-Indies types?
McLeod03
12-09-2005, 18:19
When will the Ashes finally end? Will that mean all you Ash-Heads will stop making Ashes of yourselves?

And could someone please explain to me why 100s of millions of people are obsessed with a sport that puts the rest of the world to sleep? Is there maybe a website that will concvert me so I can become a fan of this odd sport? Or do I just have to hang around lots of AustrAliens, Brits and East-Indies types?

Its over now, so go back to your sad little life of baseball or Nascar, or whatever boring sport it is you watch.
Ollieland
12-09-2005, 18:21
When will the Ashes finally end? Will that mean all you Ash-Heads will stop making Ashes of yourselves?

And could someone please explain to me why 100s of millions of people are obsessed with a sport that puts the rest of the world to sleep? Is there maybe a website that will concvert me so I can become a fan of this odd sport? Or do I just have to hang around lots of AustrAliens, Brits and East-Indies types?

The reason cricket is such a great sport is that it is one of the only sports you can play whilst continuing to drink heavily!
Monkeypimp
12-09-2005, 18:53
Congratulations England.
Warzors
12-09-2005, 18:55
**** yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASHES!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

AVE IT!!!!

can you tell im english? ;)


:D :D :D :D
The Downmarching Void
12-09-2005, 19:39
Its over now, so go back to your sad little life of baseball or Nascar, or whatever boring sport it is you watch.
I guess watching crickett doesn't require a sense of humour then? Or is that just a side effect of living in Blighty?

BTW I HATE Nascar and Baseball. (I'm a Canadian)
Harlesburg
12-09-2005, 19:46
England!
AlanBstard
12-09-2005, 20:01
Huzzar!

Bicentinery of Traflagar, Last Night of the proms, London olpympics England take the Ashes and Sheffield Wednesday make it back into the first division, I'm feeling so patriotic I might just be sick..
Ashes Champions
12-09-2005, 20:27
My username's quite apt here, what a performance!!! Arise Sir Michael Vaughan, Sir Freddie....
Big shout to Shane Warne, should have got overall man of the series, but in my opinion the greatest cricketer of all time!!!
Give me cricket over any other sport, you might be able to tell I'm English, I don't need a sport with a competition that has super or hyper in the title. This was a series of true champions, sport at its best between the two greatest sporting nations in the world...
... basing that on sports that are actually popular worldwide.
Kellarly
12-09-2005, 20:45
We'll be having this thanks...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/20/ashes_narrowweb__200x277.jpg
Nadkor
12-09-2005, 20:55
We'll be having this thanks...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/20/ashes_narrowweb__200x277.jpg
That's not the Ashes trophy though.
Mooseica
12-09-2005, 21:00
Yeh it is - the actual urn I mean - the other trophies are just replicas - the crystal and silver ones. Besides which, we always did have it :p No matter who wins the Ashes themselves always stay in ENgland for some odd reason.

Unless of course that photo was a convincing fake.
Nadkor
12-09-2005, 21:01
Yeh it is - the actual urn I mean - the other trophies are just replicas - the crystal and silver ones. Besides which, we always did have it :p No matter who wins the Ashes themselves always stay in ENgland for some odd reason.

Unless of course that photo was a convincing fake.
No, no, no. That isn't the trophy awarded to the winner of the Ashes.
Ashes Champions
12-09-2005, 21:03
The urn always stays in The Lords museum, as they are too fragile to travel, being over 100 years old.
Kellarly
12-09-2005, 21:11
No, no, no. That isn't the trophy awarded to the winner of the Ashes.

True, but thats the original ashes, the ones they give out are replicas.
Nadkor
12-09-2005, 21:17
True, but thats the original ashes, the ones they give out are replicas.
The urn is not used as the trophy for the Ashes series..... Since the 1998/99 Ashes series, a Waterford crystal trophy has been presented to the winners. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes)
.
Kellarly
12-09-2005, 21:23
.

yeah, precisely...I was pointing that out...

I posted the pic of the original ashes...

...the ones they give out now are replicas...

:rolleyes:
SEO Kingdom
12-09-2005, 22:28
Huzzar!

Bicentinery of Traflagar, Last Night of the proms, London olpympics England take the Ashes and Sheffield Wednesday make it back into the first division, I'm feeling so patriotic I might just be sick..


Damnit, I was just beginning to think I'd found a sane topic..........and I find a Sheffield Wednesday fan. :p

But yes what a great year for England
The blessed Chris
12-09-2005, 22:44
Damnit, I was just beginning to think I'd found a sane topic..........and I find a Sheffield Wednesday fan. :p

But yes what a great year for England

Oh rather! We beat the convicts!
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 10:20
Australia Australia Australia
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 10:24
Australia Australia Australia

Which was beaten by a nine man team.

England didn't even have a wicket keeper ffs.

You want my advice, put Warne in charge.
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 10:30
Australia Australia Australia

Which was beaten by a nine man team.

England didn't even have a wicket keeper ffs.

You want my advice, put Warne in charge.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 10:46
Which was beaten by a nine man team.

England didn't even have a wicket keeper ffs.

You want my advice, put Warne in charge.
Suck Suck Suck!
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 10:51
Suck Suck Suck!

Oh that's right, you're a Kiwi. Sorry about that. Well at least you had Hadlee. I acutally saw him live you know. Got his knighthood that tour also. (his last - BTW good job NZ selectors, missing the early part of his career).

Anyway, Warnie is probs the best bowler ever. (Even though we gifted him two wickets today). Also a clever cricketer. Had he been captain, the ashes would be in Aus. today.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 10:53
Oh that's right, you're a Kiwi. Sorry about that. Well at least you had Hadlee. I acutally saw him live you know. Got his knighthood that tour also. (his last - BTW good job NZ selectors, missing the early part of his career).

Anyway, Warnie is probs the best bowler ever. (Even though we gifted him two wickets today). Also a clever cricketer. Had he been captain, the ashes would be in Aus. today.
But he dropped Pietersen. :p
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 11:01
But he dropped Pietersen. :p

Yah, which totally nullifies the 38 legit wickets he took in ther series. Plus his almost century. Dude the Pie Man is an awesome cricketer.

And it's pretty hard when the only other team member is injured after lords.

But good job Ricky, put England in first at Egbaston. (Against the Pie Man's advice).

Anyway, we had, G O Jones, the only keeper who can't bat or keep, and Ding Dong Bell.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 11:04
What i really hate is Lillie being called a better cricketer than Paddles?
WTF
Hadlee kept New Zealand in matches and got 400 Wickets.
Because Hadlee could bat a bit it counted against him on some all time greats programme.
Why because they classed him as an Allrounder. :mad:
Murflonia
13-09-2005, 11:09
Warne is undoubtedly one of the all time greats. He has accuracy, spin and a fantastic Cricket brain. Plus reliable slip catching and he can knock a few runs. 40 wickets (average 8 per test) in a series is phenominal.

I'm privilaged that I was there at Old Trafford to see him take his 600th wicket. I also saw him play at Liverpool for Hampshire, which is somewhere I've played myself a few times.

I'm so pleased that the best TEAM won though!
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 11:11
I wont argue there best spinner since Grimmet.
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 11:15
What i really hate is Lillie being called a better cricketer than Paddles?
WTF
Hadlee kept New Zealand in matches and got 400 Wickets.
Because Hadlee could bat a bit it counted against him on some all time greats programme.
Why because they classed him as an Allrounder. :mad:

Yah, well Hadlee was the only fucker ever to be Knighted before he retired. And he was the all time highest wicket scorer for a while, till Kapil Dev.

So don't get so pissed.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 11:17
Yeah but he got ranked lower than Lillee because he could actually use a BAt!
Bloody ESPN.
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 11:19
Yeah but he got ranked lower than Lillee because he could actually use a BAt!
Bloody ESPN.

Eh, when did that happen?

Edit: Anyway, Lillee used to go off and take a shower after his bowling spell, so no-one takes him seriously anyway.

Further edit: No he didn't get ranked lower. I checked. Next you'll be crying because the your rugby team doesn't get enough respect.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 11:36
Eh, when did that happen?

Edit: Anyway, Lillee used to go off and take a shower after his bowling spell, so no-one takes him seriously anyway.
Hadlee also came back from injury though it wasnt as big as Lillee.
2002 maybe?
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 11:39
Hadlee also came back from injury though it wasnt as big as Lillee.
2002 maybe?

As far as I can see, Hadlee 7 on the all time list, Lillee 15.

And you should bitch. Englands highest is 10.
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 11:47
As far as I can see, Hadlee 7 on the all time list, Lillee 15.

And you should bitch. Englands highest is 10.
Really im sure it was the other way. :confused:
Lacadaemon
13-09-2005, 11:53
Really im sure it was the other way. :confused:

Nope. Hadlee 431@22.29: Lillee 355@23.92:

Now, who do you think should be ranked higher?
Monkeypimp
13-09-2005, 11:54
As far as I can see, Hadlee 7 on the all time list, Lillee 15.

And you should bitch. Englands highest is 10.

Hadlee's match :D (http://nz.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1985-86/NZ_IN_AUS/NZ_AUS_T1_08-12NOV1985.html)
Harlesburg
13-09-2005, 12:55
Hadlee's match :D (http://nz.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1985-86/NZ_IN_AUS/NZ_AUS_T1_08-12NOV1985.html)
Darn Straight!
Demented Hamsters
13-09-2005, 15:42
Hadlee's match :D (http://nz.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1980S/1985-86/NZ_IN_AUS/NZ_AUS_T1_08-12NOV1985.html)
Not only do we miss Hadlee, we're missing Chats as well. No-one wants to be the guy at the other end who justs frustrates the batsmen with miserly straight bowling.
Bowling O M R W
Hadlee 23.4 4 52 9
Chatfield 18 6 29 0

Chats had an economy rate of 2.29 for his career. Incredibly it was 1.86 vs Oz.

One wonders as to how many wickets Hadlee got in his career which were due to Chats miserly bowling. Quite a few I reckon. He could always be relied on to tie up one end and annoy the hell out of the batsmen, so when they faced Paddles they would try to hit out and up the scoring.
As I said, no-one wants to be this unsung hero anymore. Everyone wants to go out and take wickets, which is a shame. It always made a NZ test a fascinating tactical game.


Back to the Ashes:
Have to hand it to the pommy cricketers, though. Unlike Paula Radcliffe who can't go more than an hour or so without taking a dump on the side of the road, these guys played for 25 days and during that entire time not one of them looked remotely like they were going to drop their kex and snap one off.
Harlesburg
16-09-2005, 12:47
Not only do we miss Hadlee, we're missing Chats as well. No-one wants to be the guy at the other end who justs frustrates the batsmen with miserly straight bowling.
Bowling O M R W
Hadlee 23.4 4 52 9
Chatfield 18 6 29 0

Chats had an economy rate of 2.29 for his career. Incredibly it was 1.86 vs Oz.

One wonders as to how many wickets Hadlee got in his career which were due to Chats miserly bowling. Quite a few I reckon. He could always be relied on to tie up one end and annoy the hell out of the batsmen, so when they faced Paddles they would try to hit out and up the scoring.
As I said, no-one wants to be this unsung hero anymore. Everyone wants to go out and take wickets, which is a shame. It always made a NZ test a fascinating tactical game.


Back to the Ashes:
Have to hand it to the pommy cricketers, though. Unlike Paula Radcliffe who can't go more than an hour or so without taking a dump on the side of the road, these guys played for 25 days and during that entire time not one of them looked remotely like they were going to drop their kex and snap one off.
I have played Chatfield and i bowled him out!
I also Bounced him a couple of times but he started it.
Demented Hamsters
16-09-2005, 14:42
I have played Chatfield and i bowled him out!
I also Bounced him a couple of times but he started it.
Bowling out Chats is hardly something to be proud of. I mean, ANYbody could do it.
Harlesburg
30-09-2005, 12:47
Bowling out Chats is hardly something to be proud of. I mean, ANYbody could do it.
No he is surprisingly good with the bat.