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Strangely enough, and this might lend credence to the poll in many conservative's eyes, he'd still win against Kerry (though Gore was not included for some reason.)

Well I suppose the 2000 election was a farce.

Bush sucks....who wouldn't want a different President to him?

The people are losing patience with this shmuck. He only needs to screw up one more time and that will most likely be his last before the public calls for his resignation or impeachment.

The people are losing patience with this shmuck. He only needs to screw up one more time and that will most likely be his last before the public calls for his resignation or impeachment.

Some of us have been calling for that for years.

It's not going to happen, though, until we get Democrats in control of both houses of Congress. The Republicans simply aren't going to impeach one of their own, no matter how bad he gets.

Nice to know that a large part of the country is now finally opening its eyes to what some of us have been saying all along.

:rolleyes:

Seeing as how approval ratings seem to have almost nothing to do with elections, I seriously doubt it. Clinton had 72% in 1998, but Gore lost anyway. Bush may be an incompetent ass, but he wouldn't lose to Carter. Bush's record is better in every category than Carter, and I'm sure anyone who remembers his presidency doesn't want that clown anywhere near a position of power again.

Well I suppose the 2000 election was a farce.

Bush sucks....who wouldn't want a different President to him?

me... and 50%+ of other Americans.

All we'd have to do to get Bush an easy win over Carter would be to remind people of the hostage crisis (carter was weak).

as for 2000... this has been beaten to death, but I must lay it out:

a)Bush was shown to win Florida initially

b)Gore whined for a recount

c)As mandated by Florida election laws, counties had (i think it was) two weeks to re-count votes and turn them in.

d)The Florida supreme court overturned florida election law (acting as an activist court, legislating from the bench).

e)The US supreme court overturned that decision, restoring Florida law, ending the (seemingly endless) recount.

The people are losing patience with this shmuck. He only needs to screw up one more time and that will most likely be his last before the public calls for his resignation or impeachment.
I dunno Bolol, it's a little too little, and a little too late - so, gross incompetence and unapologetic cronyism that resulted in deaths isn't enough to get the ball rolling on impeachment, eh?

Can't say as I see what it'd take to get that ball rolling - the way it sounds, 39% of the electorate would still support the little hobgoblin even if... say, video footage was found of him buggering an entire troop of boy scouts in the Lincoln room... :rolleyes:

gross incompetence?

uh, no

on what, iraq?

tax cuts?

protecting americans by going after domestic and foreign terrorists?

hmmm

i ask... what EXACTLY has he done wrong? if he's done such a bad job, what would you have done differently?

gross incompetence?

uh, no

on what, iraq?

tax cuts?

protecting americans by going after domestic and foreign terrorists?

hmmm

i ask... what EXACTLY has he done wrong? if he's done such a bad job, what would you have done differently?

Yes, gross incompetence. No duty is more important than the ability to effectively delegate responsibility. Bush has chosen to surround himself with incompetent buddies.

Iraq was a mistake in the planning and the execution. They failed to even plan for a post-major warfare Iraq. Their diplomacy worldwide on the topic was deplorable. If it wasn't for the heroic and excellently trained troops, Iraq would be an even bigger disaster than it is. Intelligence agencies around the world concede that the War in Iraq has actually made the world a more dangerous place. Moreover, it has been exceedingly expensive.

The tax cuts went primarily to the wrong people. Wealthy people don't hire based on how much money they have around, they hire based on what they need to meet demand. Since the lower-middle class and the poor have been squeezed by rising costs and have only gained a marginal benefit, if any, from the tax cuts, their take home has actually decreased. The result of this is that demand for products is down. The high price of gasoline is only making this worse.

Bush's energy bill, transportation bill and environmental bills have effectively resulted in a huge handout to big business. This has increased profits for the wealthy, but has not significantly spurred hiring. More pollutants are allowed now, which will result in future costs in cleanuo and healthcare. Yet another example of Bush mortgaging our future for the bottom line of the already wealthy.

The failure of FEMA has underscored the fact that the federal government isn't really as up to protecting us from catastrophe, be it natural or terrorist-made, as it once was.

The huge deficit is causing interest payments to take up an increasing amount of our budget. Basically, taxpayers are paying taxes and getting fewer services in return, because their money is going towards paying of the interest.

No Child Left Behind has been a big expense for no gain. Teachers (my brother being one,) know that NCLB really hasn't done a damn thing towards improving education. All it does it set up another round of tests which the teachers have to teach towards but that have nothing to do with the child's eventual grade.

Should I go on?

No Child Left Behind has been a big expense for no gain. Teachers (my brother being one,) know that NCLB really hasn't done a damn thing towards improving education. All it does it set up another round of tests which the teachers have to teach towards but that have nothing to do with the child's eventual grade.

Also, NCLB forces the schools to give information about the students to the military. You can request this not to happen, but there's only about a one-week or so window to get that request in.

Yes, gross incompetence. No duty is more important than the ability to effectively delegate responsibility. Bush has chosen to surround himself with incompetent buddies.

~snip~

Well I'm sure Pres. Bush has great things to say about you too...Let's ask him.

President Bush, What do you think of Gymoor II The Return.

Bush: Here's what I think of him......

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Disclaimer: I"m sorry, I know it's uncalled for, but I've been looking for a place to use this picture all week now. Nothing really meant, I just wanted to use it.

No problem. I'm fully aware that Bush thinks I'm #1...he just gets confused as to which finger to use sometimes. :D

Yes, gross incompetence. No duty is more important than the ability to effectively delegate responsibility. Bush has chosen to surround himself with incompetent buddies.

Iraq was a mistake in the planning and the execution. They failed to even plan for a post-major warfare Iraq. Their diplomacy worldwide on the topic was deplorable. If it wasn't for the heroic and excellently trained troops, Iraq would be an even bigger disaster than it is. Intelligence agencies around the world concede that the War in Iraq has actually made the world a more dangerous place. Moreover, it has been exceedingly expensive.

The tax cuts went primarily to the wrong people. Wealthy people don't hire based on how much money they have around, they hire based on what they need to meet demand. Since the lower-middle class and the poor have been squeezed by rising costs and have only gained a marginal benefit, if any, from the tax cuts, their take home has actually decreased. The result of this is that demand for products is down. The high price of gasoline is only making this worse.

Bush's energy bill, transportation bill and environmental bills have effectively resulted in a huge handout to big business. This has increased profits for the wealthy, but has not significantly spurred hiring. More pollutants are allowed now, which will result in future costs in cleanuo and healthcare. Yet another example of Bush mortgaging our future for the bottom line of the already wealthy.

The failure of FEMA has underscored the fact that the federal government isn't really as up to protecting us from catastrophe, be it natural or terrorist-made, as it once was.

The huge deficit is causing interest payments to take up an increasing amount of our budget. Basically, taxpayers are paying taxes and getting fewer services in return, because their money is going towards paying of the interest.

No Child Left Behind has been a big expense for no gain. Teachers (my brother being one,) know that NCLB really hasn't done a damn thing towards improving education. All it does it set up another round of tests which the teachers have to teach towards but that have nothing to do with the child's eventual grade.

Should I go on?
If they have to ask the question, telling them the answer won't do any good.

There are people who are republicans, conservatives, etc., and are still perfectly normal. We disagree on this or that, debate it, grab a beer, go off to vote, god bless America.

Then there are *other people* -- you know, these people who could come home from work to find Bush molesting their sons and it would be okay because he's the president and we're at war and America has a proud family tradition of molesting their sons, and Bush is a Christian so we can be sure it wasn't really molestation, and real Americans never question authority anyway. This isn't politics. It's cultism. They worship Bush like he's the second coming of Christ. Argument gets nowhere with them.

The people are losing patience with this shmuck. He only needs to screw up one more time and that will most likely be his last before the public calls for his resignation or impeachment.
I wish. But like always, he'll get off clean. No blood on his hands, no dirt on his face, you get the point I'm making. The Republican spinsters (ie. Fox News), coupled with Karl Rove's well-oiled machine are too much to overcome. They won't stop until the truth is buried, the argument changed, the country distracted, and the blame passed on.

Seeing as how approval ratings seem to have almost nothing to do with elections, I seriously doubt it. Clinton had 72% in 1998, but Gore lost anyway. Bush may be an incompetent ass, but he wouldn't lose to Carter. Bush's record is better in every category than Carter, and I'm sure anyone who remembers his presidency doesn't want that clown anywhere near a position of power again.
Clown? Please clarify whether you were referring to Bush or Carter. I'm confused. I thought you were referring to Carter, but then I remembered that the man has won a Nobel Prize and that Bush started a huge war in Iraq, costing thousands of lives, never cought Osama, created a huge deficit, made the rich ricer and the poor poorer, cheated his way trhough life and into the Presidency... so yeah... I'm a little confused.

Clown? Please clarify whether you were referring to Bush or Carter. I'm confused. I thought you were referring to Carter, but then I remembered that the man has won a Nobel Prize and that Bush started a huge war in Iraq, costing thousands of lives, never cought Osama, created a huge deficit, made the rich ricer and the poor poorer, cheated his way trhough life and into the Presidency... so yeah... I'm a little confused.

Bush is a clown, and Carter's just incompetent. A smart man, Carter, but not a good leader. He's best as a private citizen; he couldn't carry it out while in office but does it fine when he's not in that environment.

I wish. But like always, he'll get off clean. No blood on his hands, no dirt on his face, you get the point I'm making. The Republican spinsters (ie. Fox News), coupled with Karl Rove's well-oiled machine are too much to overcome. They won't stop until the truth is buried, the argument changed, the country distracted, and the blame passed on.
yeah but

clinton got a blowjob, kerry wasnt as heroic as achilles when he got his silver star, gore thinks he invented the internet, dukakis looked like a dork in a tank, mondale ... did something wrong....carter was attacked by a rabbit

how can we POSSIBLY blame bush for putting in a team of novices to run fema??

me... and 50%+ of other Americans.

All we'd have to do to get Bush an easy win over Carter would be to remind people of the hostage crisis (carter was weak).

as for 2000... this has been beaten to death, but I must lay it out:

a)Bush was shown to win Florida initially

b)Gore whined for a recount

c)As mandated by Florida election laws, counties had (i think it was) two weeks to re-count votes and turn them in.

d)The Florida supreme court overturned florida election law (acting as an activist court, legislating from the bench).

e)The US supreme court overturned that decision, restoring Florida law, ending the (seemingly endless) recount.
I think you meant to say:

a)Election officials in several Southern Florida precincts find the names of convicted felons that match the names of blacks (who vote democratic at a ratio of 9 to 1), thus not allowing them to vote; despite the fact they were not convicted fellons.

a)The networks called Florida for Gore first. Then Bush, then "too close to call".

b)Katherine Harris, Florida's Secretary of State, and the head of Bush's campaign officialy declares him the winner of the state.

c)Gore challanges, and Harris's ruling is overturned by the Florida Supreme Court.

d)Bush appeals to the Supreme Court.

e)The U.S. supreme court, stacked with allies of Reagon and Bush's rich daddy, happily handed him the presidency.

Bush Still rules

The problem with Bush is he's 1 sided, he doesnt like it, he bans it.

The thing is.. When voting theres no good option. America didnt have a good choice for president.so they were stuck with Bush and Kerry, we need GOOD candidates.

me... and 50%+ of other Americans.

All we'd have to do to get Bush an easy win over Carter would be to remind people of the hostage crisis (carter was weak).

as for 2000... this has been beaten to death, but I must lay it out:

a)Bush was shown to win Florida initially

b)Gore whined for a recount

c)As mandated by Florida election laws, counties had (i think it was) two weeks to re-count votes and turn them in.

d)The Florida supreme court overturned florida election law (acting as an activist court, legislating from the bench).

e)The US supreme court overturned that decision, restoring Florida law, ending the (seemingly endless) recount.
Mind citing where the florida court overturned it's own laws? Note: Disagreeing with interpritation is not 'overturning laws'. The USSC really shouldn't have gotten involved in a state law matter.

Seeing as how approval ratings seem to have almost nothing to do with elections, I seriously doubt it. Clinton had 72% in 1998, but Gore lost anyway. Bush may be an incompetent ass, but he wouldn't lose to Carter. Bush's record is better in every category than Carter, and I'm sure anyone who remembers his presidency doesn't want that clown anywhere near a position of power again.
I would take Carter in a heartbeat over the current moron in chief--at least I wouldn't be ashamed to travel the world with a US passport, and try to convince people that I'm actually Canadian.

There are some situational similarities between the two administrations--consumer confidence and economic strength are both being hampered by the high price of oil and gasoline. In Carter's day, the situation was a purely artificial one. OPEC deliberately slowed down production in order to screw with us, and it worked. Some good came out of it though--higher gas mileage requirements and more efficient household appliances. Now we have high prices and there's no real reserve capacity for anyone to tap into, so Bush is just stuck with the reality of the situation. Of course, his party's energy policies haven't exactly helped things out very much, but that's another story completely.

I would take Carter in a heartbeat over the current moron in chief--at least I wouldn't be ashamed to travel the world with a US passport, and try to convince people that I'm actually Canadian.

That's a pretty rough call. They're both terrible when compared in their current status; however, if there wasn't a Cold War Carter would do much better and he'd get my vote. He'd be a good peacetime president.

There are some situational similarities between the two administrations--consumer confidence and economic strength are both being hampered by the high price of oil and gasoline. In Carter's day, the situation was a purely artificial one. OPEC deliberately slowed down production in order to screw with us, and it worked. Some good came out of it though--higher gas mileage requirements and more efficient household appliances. Now we have high prices and there's no real reserve capacity for anyone to tap into, so Bush is just stuck with the reality of the situation. Of course, his party's energy policies haven't exactly helped things out very much, but that's another story completely.

We'd save more than enough oil to keep prices low if we just raised CAFE and built some new refineries. We've got the crude, but we can't do anything with it. The way we're going to beat high gasoline is with a big hike in CAFE and new refineries. After that, we've got the time to develop alternative fuels without any economic pressure.

The Republicans are terrible when it comes to energy policy/ efficency, to say the least.

Despite President Bush's poll numbers going down,
Bush 44, Clinton 46 is close,
Bush 34, Bush 41, 41 oh well that is daddy.
Bush 20, Reagan 59 what else did we expect,
Bush 42, Carter 50, while that is ridiculous, strange,
Bush 48, Kerry 47, very close, and that tells us alot about Kerry.

I think there is enough time left in President Bush' term in office to regain popularity, and help the Republicans win the next presidential election, I certainly hope so.

Most Republicans will vote Republican and
most Democrats will vote Democrat, seems like
it still fairly even divided, probably with a Republican edge.

Most Republicans will vote Republican and
most Democrats will vote Democrat
And this is exactly what's wrong with American politics. Too many people on both sides voting for "our team," without stopping to consider who the best choice is.

Bush is finally being recognised as a poor leader?
The average IQ in Arkansas must have risen a few points to 80.