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Take a couple of minutes to watch the whole thing http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html
Let us never forget.

It's hard for us not to forget when the media pounds the fact into our brains every year and trys to make us feel bad.

EDIT: I started watching that movie you linked, but I stopped because it wasn't going anywhere.

And let us all rejoice in how much safer we are now...

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

From those of us beyond your borders who occasionally remember our loyal friend and steadfast ally.

EDIT: I started watching that movie you linked, but I stopped because it wasn't going anywhere.

It takes a little time, but is well worth the time. (IMHO)

unfortunately my husband DID forget. he has a group of bangladeshi doctors and engineers travelling to the US for training TOMORROW!

they dont look "arab" but they sure do look moslem. which of course they are. one of the engineers looks like the psychotic head of a suicide bomber sleeper cell. he is, of course, just one of those big-thinking engineer types who cant be bothered to keep his hair nicely groomed.

its gonna be a wicked long day for those guys.

unfortunately my husband DID forget. he has a group of bangladeshi doctors and engineers travelling to the US for training TOMORROW!

they dont look "arab" but they sure do look moslem. which of course they are. one of the engineers looks like the psychotic head of a suicide bomber sleeper cell. he is, of course, just one of those big-thinking engineer types who cant be bothered to keep his hair nicely groomed.

its gonna be a wicked long day for those guys.

those poor guys may very well get lynched in the streets.maybe they'll get a police escort.oh and no offense but your husband is a muppet.

Ah yes, the 11th of september.

A day that will live in infamy as the propaganda tool it has become.

Don't get me wrong, it was an atrocity, but there are so many atrocities in this world it comes very low on my list of things to lose sleep over.

Ah yes, the 11th of september.

A day that will live in infamy as the propaganda tool it has become.

Don't get me wrong, it was an atrocity, but there are so many atrocities in this world it comes very low on my list of things to lose sleep over.

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?

No, but first, I'm from the UK, the UK has suffered far worse than the US at the hands of enemies. Second, the attack has been used to justify too much evil for me to remember it as the US government wants me to. Third, over 3000 people die every 3 hours of starvation in the Third World. Excuse me if I don't feel that 3000 Westerners dying in a one-off isn't as important.

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?
Its not wrong, but letting any terrorist attack affect your lives greatly gives power to terrorists.

It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. That makes it drinking time.

Take a couple of minutes to watch the whole thing http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html
Let us never forget.

jolly good what...if not a little bit over the top..

No, but first, I'm from the UK, the UK has suffered far worse than the US at the hands of enemies. Second, the attack has been used to justify too much evil for me to remember it as the US government wants me to. Third, over 3000 people die every 3 hours of starvation in the Third World. Excuse me if I don't feel that 3000 Westerners dying in a one-off isn't as important.

Quite true

Remembering the dead is always a good idea, but do it for all those who have died as a result of 9/11, in Afghanistan, Iraq, London, Madrid and Bali.

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?

Its wrong to remember it above and beyond the worst of the rest of the world.

Tomorrow is 9-11. Let us not forget.

Sorry to say this, but you have already forgotten.

Where is Osama?

Tomorrow is 9-1-Whut?

Y'know, I actually had managed to forget until you posted this thread. Well, at least its at an appropriate time, not 60 or more days before the actual date, as used to be the case.


I do remeber this tragedy, at appropriate times and at others throughout the year, now and agaian. I mourn the lose, and I'm still baffled by the senselessness of it all.

HOWEVER:
At the time it happened, watching it unfold live on TV, the images I saw weere amongst the most horrifying and faith-shaking I'd ever seen. Now they've been played so much that when I see footage of the Twin Towers falling, my mind just edits it out as yet another image its seen far too often on TV and no longer needs to pay attention to.

Its become an annual Americana event, celbrated by the US news media in the same way as the SuperBowl or The Ocars. Americans are great people. American Media OTOH are great big schmucks and quite pathetic. 9/11 simply makes this contrast even more apparent.


R.I.P. vitims of 9/11
R.I.H. US media

Sorry to say this, but you have already forgotten.

Where is Osama?

Who?

Sorry to say this, but you have already forgotten.

Where is Osama?
george bush may have forgotten but i certainly have not.

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?Only if you forget what happened on September 11... 1973.

No, but first, I'm from the UK, the UK has suffered far worse than the US at the hands of enemies. Second, the attack has been used to justify too much evil for me to remember it as the US government wants me to. Third, over 3000 people die every 3 hours of starvation in the Third World. Excuse me if I don't feel that 3000 Westerners dying in a one-off isn't as important.

Exactly. Well said :)

I will remember the loss of life. I will remember the brave actions of the New York emergency services and volunteers.

But...I will also remember how easily a tragedy can be politicized.

Romans 5:8,9 May God continue to bless America and all who defend her. Fly the flag.
I never recognized that America was mentioned in the Bible :confused:

this is a reminder of what we lost, what we endeavored to wipe out... and that our job is not yet done. Terrorism must not be allowed to rest.

I'm still waiting for "9/11: The Video Game." I do have my "Terrorists are teh evil" lunchbox and my "USA IS TEH ROX0r" bumper sticker and my US flag made in China to show my fervent patriotism, but a video game is what this whole thing really needs. Preferably a real time strategy, so you can be either the US or The Terrorists. The terrorists will harvest souls, the US will harvest cash. (Or is that the other way around?) I want to be able to get the Armor Upgrade for the trade towers and then rush teh terrorists with zerglings.

Actually, no it isn't. Tomorrow is 11th September not the 9th November.

I'm still waiting for "9/11: The Video Game." I do have my "Terrorists are teh evil" lunchbox and my "USA IS TEH ROX0r" bumper sticker and my US flag made in China to show my fervent patriotism, but a video game is what this whole thing really needs. Preferably a real time strategy, so you can be either the US or The Terrorists. The terrorists will harvest souls, the US will harvest cash. (Or is that the other way around?) I want to be able to get the Armor Upgrade for the trade towers and then rush teh terrorists with zerglings.

Well, I'll pwn your zerglings with High Templar and Photon Cannons.

I'm still waiting for "9/11: The Video Game." I do have my "Terrorists are teh evil" lunchbox and my "USA IS TEH ROX0r" bumper sticker and my US flag made in China to show my fervent patriotism, but a video game is what this whole thing really needs. Preferably a real time strategy, so you can be either the US or The Terrorists. The terrorists will harvest souls, the US will harvest cash. (Or is that the other way around?) I want to be able to get the Armor Upgrade for the trade towers and then rush teh terrorists with zerglings.

so... if you're a terrorist... part of the game could be how you're promised 20,000 virgins in heaven... but immediately upon death, you tumble into hell.

nice

"What? Where are my 20,000 virgins and large goat herd? I will get the revenge of 50,000 mighty sheiks on Usama and strike him with the fury of 25,000 iron fists! He lied to me!"

Actually, no it isn't. Tomorrow is 11th September not the 9th November.

Well said sir!

*Hands Brenchley a Rich Tea biscuit*

Actually, no it isn't. Tomorrow is 11th September not the 9th November.The "Reichspogromnacht" wasn't the only thing to happen on the 9th of November...

Actually, no it isn't. Tomorrow is 11th September not the 9th November.

Damn you for beating me to the punch

*Hands Brenchley a Custard Cream*

How can I forget! Tommorrows my birthday! (Talk about depressing birthday parties!)

note: I am serious. My birthday is on 9/11.

I'll remember my countrymen killed on 9/11/01. I'll remember the heroism shown by the passengers on that fourth jet. I'll remember how all my people put their differences aside and banded together to help those injured and to exact retribution on those responsible. No American can do any less, but I'll also remember how some people used 9/11 as a defense against criticism and dissent. I'll remember how our intelligence services and our politicians failed us. I'll remember that some people danced in the streets that day, and I'll look for some way to be a better American.

How can I forget! Tommorrows my birthday! (Talk about depressing birthday parties!)

note: I am serious. My birthday is on 9/11.

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday Lord Grey II
Happy birthday to you

How old are you?
How old are you?
How old are you?
How old are you?

http://www.ibiblio.org/team/fun/birthday/

(click on Happy Birthday To You)

Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday Lord Grey II
Happy birthday to you

How old are you?
How old are you?
How old are you?
How old are you?

http://www.ibiblio.org/team/fun/birthday/

(click on Happy Birthday To You)It's considered bad luck to wish someone a happy birthday prematurely... :p

It's considered bad luck to wish someone a happy birthday prematurely... :p
I've never heard that one. On a vaguely related note it's considered a threat to give a Sicilan a weapon as a gift.

Is it so wrong or so bad to remember those that died and the heros that saved lives? Is it wrong or bad to remember an attack on America?

Wrong to remember an attack on America. We all know that 3,000 Western deaths to terrorists aren't nearly as important as a bunch of people in crapping countries starving :rolleyes:

Wrong to remember an attack on America. We all know that 3,000 Western deaths to terrorists aren't nearly as important as a bunch of people in crapping countries starving :rolleyes:
If they were your people you might think differently.

If they were your people you might think differently.

But they're not are they ;)

Oh no! I'm a Fascist! I value the West over the Third world! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I will remember what happened four years ago, but I really don't like that website which was linked. The issue is far more complex than that website would have people believe.

But they're not are they ;)

Oh no! I'm a Fascist! I value the West over the Third world! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Well, I hope it doesn't happen to your people.

I will remember what happened four years ago, but I really don't like that website which was linked. The issue is far more complex than that website would have people believe.

Hmm...

"I hate America... Let's kill Americans!"

*Planes crash into civilian targets. Kill civilians and firefighters*

"Haha! Foolish Ameri-can! You can never stop terrorism! You are Satan! Even though Islam doesn't have a Satan! Whenever you let your gaurd down we will strike! Oh... you're attacking our strongholds? Er... Ameri-can public, help us please!"

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

There's an interesting site.

Hmm...

"I hate America... Let's kill Americans!"

*Planes crash into civilian targets. Kill civilians and firefighters*

"Haha! Foolish Ameri-can! You can never stop terrorism! You are Satan! Even though Islam doesn't have a Satan! Whenever you let your gaurd down we will strike! Oh... you're attacking our strongholds? Er... Ameri-can public, help us please!"

HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Ain't that the truth.

We haven't forgotten 9-13 in Mexico in 150 years, why would you forget 9-11 in just 4?

And the Chileans haven't forgotten 9-11 either. Plenty to remember around these dates.

I find it petty and crude to log onto a thread about a national day of remembrance and mourning just to criticize, insult, or attack the nation in question. You don't need to post here. If you want to criticize the US you can always start your own thread. Leave this one alone for those who wish to remember the victims of 9/11.

Drunk commies is right

those of you that posted that are American saying "oh 9/11 isnt that bad there are tragedies all around the world everyday and we dont think 9/11 was that bad" or some shit like that

shame on you

America is your country too and you should pay your respects

We haven't forgotten 9-13 in Mexico in 150 years, why would you forget 9-11 in just 4?

And the Chileans haven't forgotten 9-11 either. Plenty to remember around these dates.


you have 13 months in mexico?wtf?
or are you doin the foolish american writing of dates backwards thingy?in which case what on earth happened in mexico on the 13th of september?

Even though Islam doesn't have a Satan!
Iblis

I find it petty and crude to log onto a thread about a national day of remembrance and mourning just to criticize, insult, or attack the nation in question. You don't need to post here. If you want to criticize the US you can always start your own thread. Leave this one alone for those who wish to remember the victims of 9/11.Thank you.

I just finished a 5k run in memory of the Sept. 11 firemen who gave their lives four years ago tomorrow.

thank you for editing that

i dont know what country your from but any terrorism act makes me angry

so

i think even though ppl that arent american should feel for us too

cuz when you get attacked I feel sorry for you

America is your country too and you should pay your respects

Really? I never knew that... when did I buy it?

*Sorry, honestly, but I couldn't resist... :eek:

thank you for editing that

i dont know what country your from but any terrorism act makes me angry

so

i think even though ppl that arent american should feel for us too

cuz when you get attacked I feel sorry for you

I feel sorry for all the people who died that day, and I feel sorry for the families and friends who have to cope with the traumatising events.


I don't see any reason to feel sorry for the entire country, though. Sorry.

wow all of you are stupid

in my post

i said

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE AMERICAN]

if you are it is your country

so dont be ashamed of it cuz u act like it when u brush 9/11 off

alright this hits home to me so i get pissed when ppl talk shit about it

Drunk commies is right

those of you that posted that are American saying "oh 9/11 isnt that bad there are tragedies all around the world everyday and we dont think 9/11 was that bad" or some shit like that

shame on you

America is your country too and you should pay your respects


America ain't my country boyo, and if it was, it's a perfectly American attitude to tell you to go cry in a corner like a little nancy boy (not that I would but the American way pretty much promotes it). And if you want to get emotional about your shit we'll put it in perspective.

i'm sorry to say 9-11 was a wasted propoganda tool. the unision of the country didn't last too long, and the administration threw it away with iraq...
it's a shame really...
but i honor all those who died on that day...
"a single death is a tragedy. a million deaths is a statistic"
i think 3000 is understandable enough to be a tragedy...

just cuz i get emotional about an attack on my country im a pansy?

im sorry but my best friend died in 9/11 so anyone that thinks that they can screw off

Drunk commies is right

those of you that posted that are American saying "oh 9/11 isnt that bad there are tragedies all around the world everyday and we dont think 9/11 was that bad" or some shit like that

shame on you

America is your country too and you should pay your respects

America isn't my country, but I'm still paying respect.

you have 13 months in mexico?wtf?
or are you doin the foolish american writing of dates backwards thingy?in which case what on earth happened in mexico on the 13th of september?
Backwards thing, because that's how the thread put it. Frankly, I prefer the more sensible 13-9.

September 13, 1846. The US Army attacked the Mexican Army School, one of the last defensive points before entering Mexico City, which was defended by kids as young as 13. The US officers were very surprised to find such resistance from children, even though they won the battle anyway.

It's not a tragedy, certainly not in the same scale or context as 11-9-01, but it's an act of heroism. The point is, I don't think that the US people will need to be reminded.

America isn't my country, but I'm still paying respect.

as i said for those of you who ARE AMERICAN and who are acting like it was nothing

THe mods should just lock this thread out of respect for the dead.

That video was the sappiest peice of proto-fascist propaganda ever. That "blood of heroes" garbage is sickening, pro-death wankery. This is the kind of thing that makes me very cynical about the whole thing. If remembering this date solemnly didn't mean that I had to unquestioningly support any violence done in its name, I would probably be a lot more sentimental about it. I remember when it happened, and it deserves to be remembered.

America ain't my country boyo, and if it was, it's a perfectly American attitude to tell you to go cry in a corner like a little nancy boy (not that I would but the American way pretty much promotes it). And if you want to get emotional about your shit we'll put it in perspective.
Well I'm an American and I've never told anyone to "go cry in a corner like a little nancy boy" when they were mourning the deaths of their nation's civilians. You're trying to put things into perspective? I think not. I think you're trying to gloat over the deaths of American citizens. You're officially on my shit list. Congratulations, you're joining just one other NS poster.

The actual day on the calendar, September the 11th, got screwed over. Why do we call this tragedy by it's date anyway? Can't we come up with something a little more creative other than the date that it happened? Other things happen on September the 11th, and whenever that date is mentioned people are going to notice it, because that's what it became known as for some reason.

The one thing alot of people have forgotten. It's not just Americans that died that day. The WTC housed alot of International Companies that had their citizens working there at the time. Also all the international Tourists that were visiting the Towers when they fell.

Alot of people seem to have forgotten that some of their citizens that also died that day.

9/11 happened on American Soil, but the deaths were not just American.

just cuz i get emotional about an attack on my country im a pansy?

You fail reading comprehension mate. I said that I could, legally tell you to do that, I then clearly suffixed it with the statement that I wouldn't. I didn't call myself an Anarchic Christian for no reason (and neither was he reason ironic).

"Congratulations, you're joining just one other NS poster."

I'm honoured. But I'd like to know where I 'gloat over American deaths'. I know I'm not exactly wearing sackcloth and ashes over here but really? You guys got way too worked up over it, understandable I guess but from my POV, it's totally out of proportion.

The one thing alot of people have forgotten. It's not just Americans that died that day. The WTC housed alot of International Companies that had their citizens working there at the time. Also all the international Tourists that were visiting the Towers when they fell.

Alot of people seem to have forgotten that some of their citizens that also died that day.

9/11 happened on American Soil, but the deaths were not just American.

OMFGZORS! It wasn't just Americans in the Towers!

*Rushes off to find sackcloth and lights a fire*

I'm going on a lot of 'Ignore' lists aren't I?

I'm going on a lot of 'Ignore' lists aren't I?I don't 'Ignore' people for their opinions, no matter what I think of them (their opinions, not the poster themselves.)


Can't speak for anyone else, tho

and also can't say if it gets reported as trolling/flamebait. (but not by me.)

I'm honoured. But I'd like to know where I 'gloat over American deaths'. I know I'm not exactly wearing sackcloth and ashes over here but really? You guys got way too worked up over it, understandable I guess but from my POV, it's totally out of proportion.
My personal opinion of your mindset is that you're happy that we got hit on 9/11. Granted nobody can read your mind, but your repeated posting of criticism on a thread that's for mourning and rememberance makes me think that there's a bit of schadenfreude in your heart. You don't have to wear sackcloth and ashes, but you can leave us alone to grieve and remember. That's what a decent person would do. If you feel the need to criticize you can start your own thread.

I'm going on a lot of 'Ignore' lists aren't I?

Probably.... :D

I don't 'Ignore' people for their opinions, no matter what I think of them (their opinions, not the poster themselves.)


Can't speak for anyone else, tho

and also can't say if it gets reported as trolling/flamebait. (but not by me.)
I don't use an ignore list either. It's a pussy move IMHO. I just judge whether a poster strikes me as a decent and honest person or a worthless, dishonest human.

My personal opinion of your mindset is that you're happy that we got hit on 9/11. Granted nobody can read your mind, but your repeated posting of criticism on a thread that's for mourning and rememberance makes me think that there's a bit of schadenfreude in your heart. You don't have to wear sackcloth and ashes, but you can leave us alone to grieve and remember. That's what a decent person would do. If you feel the need to criticize you can start your own thread.

This board is a 'Discussion' board is it not? Certainly that's why I turn up here. If you don't want a topic discussed, then bringing it up is a tad silly.

You probably don't believe me anyway, but I mourn for the dead of the World Trade Centre. I just don't mourn for them alone.

Sorry to say this, but you have already forgotten.

Where is Osama?Who?

Is that a Rap star or something?

This board is a 'Discussion' board is it not? Certainly that's why I turn up here. If you don't want a topic discussed, then bringing it up is a tad silly.

You probably don't believe me anyway, but I mourn for the dead of the World Trade Centre. I just don't mourn for them alone.
Yeah, and one can give a eulogy that exposes all of the deceased's secrets and failings in life, but it's bad form. It's a big forum, and I think your statements didn't belong in this particular thread.

I'm still waiting for "9/11: The Video Game." I do have my "Terrorists are teh evil" lunchbox and my "USA IS TEH ROX0r" bumper sticker and my US flag made in China to show my fervent patriotism, but a video game is what this whole thing really needs. Preferably a real time strategy, so you can be either the US or The Terrorists. The terrorists will harvest souls, the US will harvest cash. (Or is that the other way around?) I want to be able to get the Armor Upgrade for the trade towers and then rush teh terrorists with zerglings.Osama and AQ splinter-cells are the equivalent of Dark Templars...and sometimes I wonder if they have not managed to use Mind-control on Bush...

America isn't my country, but I'm still paying respect.well, America is My Country, So...



thanks. :)

whoa....you can really pick out all the non-Americans in this thread.

This will be the third year that I only patronize arab(or muslim)-run establishments on 9/11.

Gyro resturaunts, hookah lounges, middle eastern grocers &c.

I wonder if they'll be open on a sunday though...

This will be the third year that I only patronize arab(or muslim)-run establishments on 9/11.

Gyro resturaunts, hookah lounges, middle eastern grocers &c.

I wonder if they'll be open on a sunday though...
What's the point of that? It makes no sense to me. Are you linking all Arabs and Muslims to 9/11?

What's the point of that? It makes no sense to me. Are you linking all Arabs and Muslims to 9/11?

Hmmn?

I could rationalize it by saying that I do it to *counteract* the general american tendancy to link all arabs/muslims to 9/11.

But to be honest i dont offer any rationalization for it, it is just my custom :)



If it wasnt clear, I said I *only go* to arab/muslim places, not boycott them.

What's the point of that? It makes no sense to me. Are you linking all Arabs and Muslims to 9/11?

I assume it's a declaration of trust and confidence. Or he's an America-hater looking for kicks, could be either I guess.

EDIT- Presumably the former, I posted a little late.

Ah yes, the 11th of september.

A day that will live in infamy as the propaganda tool it has become.

Don't get me wrong, it was an atrocity, but there are so many atrocities in this world it comes very low on my list of things to lose sleep over.
so, what did you think of the recent London bombings?


Third, over 3000 people die every 3 hours of starvation in the Third World. Excuse me if I don't feel that 3000 Westerners dying in a one-off isn't as important.
this thread isn't about 3000 3rd world people dying every 3 hours.


Quite true
see previous quote.


Remembering the dead is always a good idea, but do it for all those who have died as a result of 9/11, in Afghanistan, Iraq, London, Madrid and Bali.
So, since America attacked Afghanistan (with the world's blessing i might add), you're blaming the deaths in Iraq, Bali, and Madrid on that? Where does this logic come from?


Its wrong to remember it above and beyond the worst of the rest of the world.
No it isn't. It's just like memorial day. We are mourning the loss of life on a particular day. Just because we do that 1! day doesn't mean we have forgotten the "worst of the rest of the world" Just because the US is the highest superpower doesn't mean we're not human either.


Tomorrow is 9-1-Whut?
not needed. I appreciate your sincerity...


Exactly. Well said
thanks for rubbing salt in the wounds.


Actually, no it isn't. Tomorrow is 11th September not the 9th November.
ha. ha. ha. you're attempt at humor was very funny. And here i was thinking that the rest of the world thought Americans were stupid, when in fact, it's apparently your people who confuse the AMERICAN 9-11 (Sept 11) w/ the Euro system of 9-11 (Nov 11).
This is a mourning thread. Have some decency.


Damn you for beating me to the punch
*Hands Brenchley a Custard Cream*
:hands you a cup of shut the fuck up:


Wrong to remember an attack on America. We all know that 3,000 Western deaths to terrorists aren't nearly as important as a bunch of people in crapping countries starving
repeated from earlier in my post, but i felt it needed to be said again: we can't have 1 day of mourning?


But they're not are they

(snip)
be thankful they're not. And if they were, Americans would be mourning along side you.


http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

There's an interesting site.
:hands you a tinfoil hat: :p


I find it petty and crude to log onto a thread about a national day of remembrance and mourning just to criticize, insult, or attack the nation in question. You don't need to post here. If you want to criticize the US you can always start your own thread. Leave this one alone for those who wish to remember the victims of 9/11.
hear hear


you have 13 months in mexico?wtf?
or are you doin the foolish american writing of dates backwards thingy?in which case what on earth happened in mexico on the 13th of september?
don't be a dick. This joke wasn't funny on the first page of the thread.


Really? I never knew that... when did I buy it?

*Sorry, honestly, but I couldn't resist...
you're a bitch..

o sorry, i couldn't resist...


America isn't my country, but I'm still paying respect.
o, it didn't seem that way earlier in the thread.


Who?

Is that a Rap star or something?
wow, the dickheadiness of this thread astounds me.

and on that note, for Sept 11, I will be singing in a church choir in rememberence of what happened in 2001.

Hmmn?

I could rationalize it by saying that I do it to *counteract* the general american tendancy to link all arabs/muslims to 9/11.

But to be honest i dont offer any rationalization for it, it is just my custom :)



If it wasnt clear, I said I *only go* to arab/muslim places, not boycott them.
Interesting. If you want to discuss this further I'm going to start a new thread called "Do Americans Blame Islam for 9/11".

No, but first, I'm from the UK, the UK has suffered far worse than the US at the hands of enemies. Second, the attack has been used to justify too much evil for me to remember it as the US government wants me to. Third, over 3000 people die every 3 hours of starvation in the Third World. Excuse me if I don't feel that 3000 Westerners dying in a one-off isn't as important.


3000 lives in the third world are worth just as much as 3000 lives in America. that works the other way round. it's one day of the year. you don't have to remember it as the US government wants you to, but is it too much to ask just to remember the people who died?

so, what did you think of the recent London bombings?

OK, after this I'm leaving the thread, too much bad blood being stirred up.

Personally, my first thought on hearing it was 'SHIT!' (my reaction to the WTC attack was similar). Later on I started thinking more rationally and started thanking God it wasn't as bad as it could have been. My current feelings are mixed sorrow for the victims of the lies of the 'hate preachers' and the fear that it is being used to undermine the liberties of this country (our Home Secretary is trying to amend the Human Rights Act, colour me very worried).

No it isn't. It's just like memorial day. We are mourning the loss of life on a particular day. Just because we do that 1! day doesn't mean we have forgotten the "worst of the rest of the world" Just because the US is the highest superpower doesn't mean we're not human either..............repeated from earlier in my post, but i felt it needed to be said again: we can't have 1 day of mourning?

something occured to me.wouldn't tomorrow be the time for a mourning thread?

with that in mind i reiterate my view that '9/11' has been overplayed and turned into propaganda

Why can't the victims just rest in peace?
I don't mean to offend, but I think the vicitms of September 11 were used by politics, by warmongers, by fanatics all over the world quite enough by now.

3000 people died that day. As a consequence, thousands of people died in other countries, innocents and guilty alike.
I feel that mourning is something very private and very emotional, not something to turn into a public spectacle. As such, I agree with others that yes, of course, the deaths ought to be remembered. But I think it ought to be done not as a public spectacle but in a way that shows respect for both the victims and their families and friends.

Edit : Oh, and by the way, thanks to the guy who called me bitch...

Interesting. If you want to discuss this further I'm going to start a new thread called "Do Americans Blame Islam for 9/11".Let me know when you do, because I wanna put in a Hell No.

I blame Osucky Big Dicky for that.

Let me know when you do, because I wanna put in a Hell No.

I blame Osucky Big Dicky for that.
Done. Sorry it took a while, I'm at work and have some other responsibilities in between posting.

It should be remembered that the victims' families are the only people who we ought to grieve for, and should also be remembered, in doing so, that they were paid large sums by the government afterwards to help ensure that their lives werent ruined outright by the attacks.

It is extremely difficult to honestly care about ~ 3000 people dying one morning. Especially when their families' futures are made financially secure.

This much death happens every day around the world, and the US could easily prevent it, but chooses not to.

those poor guys may very well get lynched in the streets.maybe they'll get a police escort.oh and no offense but your husband is a muppet.


?!?
You've not been to the states then huh? Or you visited East Bumfuck Arkansas? A muslim with poor grooming's not going to get a second look in any US city. Might get mistaken for a cab driver....

:hands you a cup of shut the fuck up:

*Hands you a cup of Chill the fuck out*

:hands you a cup of shut the fuck up:

don't be a dick. This joke wasn't funny on the first page of the thread.

you're a bitch..

o sorry, i couldn't resist...

wow, the dickheadiness of this thread astounds me.

and on that note, for Sept 11, I will be singing in a church choir in rememberence of what happened in 2001.

You responding with insults to those specific posters doesn't help you whatsoever. You need to knock it off immediately.

something occured to me.wouldn't tomorrow be the time for a mourning thread?

with that in mind i reiterate my view that '9/11' has been overplayed and turned into propaganda
it's not okay to start a thread early? Perhaps the OP isn't going to be around tomorrow? who knows.

as far as reiterating your view of 9/11 being overplayed etc. To some of us we're not attempting to overplay anything. It truly was a sad day in our lives, so we want to remember it, with a little bit of decorum on this message board. You can't blame us for what Bush has twisted it into.

Why can't the victims just rest in peace?
I don't mean to offend, but I think the vicitms of September 11 were used by politics, by warmongers, by fanatics all over the world quite enough by now.
see my response to Ifreann.

3000 people died that day. As a consequence, thousands of people died in other countries, innocents and guilty alike.
I feel that mourning is something very private and very emotional, not something to turn into a public spectacle.
That is the way you feel. Others may feel that mourning should be done in public, with as many friends/family that you can gather (hence the whole wake things at funerals).

As such, I agree with others that yes, of course, the deaths ought to be remembered. But I think it ought to be done not as a public spectacle but in a way that shows respect for both the victims and their families and friends.
This thread turned into a public spectacle when people started posting callous and demeaning remarks. It was originally meant to be heartfelt (IMO).


Edit : Oh, and by the way, thanks to the guy who called me bitch...
I'm sorry. that may have been too much, but at the time i was replying, i felt your remarks were very heinous.

It should be remembered that the victims' families are the only people who we ought to grieve for, and should also be remembered, in doing so, that they were paid large sums by the government afterwards to help ensure that their lives werent ruined outright by the attacks.
what would you rather have. Your husband/wife/father/mother/son/daughter back or 250grand? (btw, how much _DID_ they pay the families?)

It is extremely difficult to honestly care about ~ 3000 people dying one morning. Especially when their families' futures are made financially secure.
again, just because they're "financially secure" doesn't mean they wanted said security. I'm very sure that they would rather have their family members back than money.

This much death happens every day around the world, and the US could easily prevent it, but chooses not to.
This quote reminds me of the show Jesus Christ Superstar. In one scene Judas is asking why he doesn't sell the oil for "300 pieces of silver or more" to help the poor. Jesus replies that there will always be poor. The US can't stop the majority of death from poverty in the world.

*Hands you a cup of Chill the fuck out*

i'll chill out when people stop being so callous.

This is the wrong place for heartfelt schmaltz - if it's posted here, there should be a reasonable expectation that you aren't going to end up with a mutual head-nodding session.

remember 9/11/1973
if you don't know what I'm talking about then google salvadore allende

You responding with insults to those specific posters doesn't help you whatsoever. You need to knock it off immediately.

jawohl.

apologized for my remarks.

it's not okay to start a thread early? Perhaps the OP isn't going to be around tomorrow? who knows.

as far as reiterating your view of 9/11 being overplayed etc. To some of us we're not attempting to overplay anything. It truly was a sad day in our lives, so we want to remember it, with a little bit of decorum on this message board. You can't blame us for what Bush has twisted it into.

It was a sad day in my life too,my uncle was in New York that day.

I don't blame you,in fact i feel bad that a day that should be remembered with solemn dignity has been warped and twisted.

OP=?

what would you rather have. Your husband/wife/father/mother/son/daughter back or 250grand? (btw, how much _DID_ they pay the families?)


again, just because they're "financially secure" doesn't mean they wanted said security. I'm very sure that they would rather have their family members back than money.


This quote reminds me of the show Jesus Christ Superstar. In one scene Judas is asking why he doesn't sell the oil for "300 pieces of silver or more" to help the poor. Jesus replies that there will always be poor. The US can't stop the majority of death from poverty in the world.


Nothing will bring back the dead people, but unlike the families of most people who are killed, the families of the terrorist victims got a lot of money from the government.

I will save my mourning for those who are left destitute.

The sadistic, defeatist "there will always be poor people!" mentality results in an increase in poverty and results in people dying.

It is not alright to shoot someone beause they will "die eventually anyways" or to halt medical research because "there will always be disease."

We may not be able to save everyone, but we can without doubt save millions.

I'll remember the heroism shown by the passengers on that fourth jet.

You mean the one that was shot down by an F-16?

You mean the one that was shot down by an F-16?
None was shot down. Bush never gave the order to shoot down a civilian plane. The passengers overpowered the terrorists and the plane ended up crashing away from populated areas.

I refuse to view that date as hallowed in any way.

Maybe when August 6th or February 13th and however many other dates the US should be recognizing get recognized, maybe then I'll consider caring about the day.

The lives lost, I hang my head for.

The day -- no chance in hell. The dead have been used as a means to a megalomaniac's ends.

God bless America, 'cuz no one else will.

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

9/11/01 is officially the happiest day in the world!

I never realized before just how many sick people there are in the world, and on this forum. :(

PLANE GOES BANG, AMERICA GOES YOU BASTARDS IM GONNA RAGE EVERYTHING, Walker goes whoa the army job just got a whole lot more fun! :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

what in the name of whatever deity it is you worship are you talking about?

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

9/11/01 is officially the happiest day in the world!
There really should be a party for all NS members. I'd love to meet some of my fellow NS'ers. We could laugh and joke, and see each other face to face just to find out if people like you are brave/stupid enough to make such statements where I can get a hold of you.

I'm telling you people remember 9/11/1973

There really should be a party for all NS members. I'd love to meet some of my fellow NS'ers. We could laugh and joke, and see each other face to face just to find out if people like you are brave/stupid enough to make such statements where I can get a hold of you.


You dare question my commitment to the cause! I'll beat your fat american ass, scum!

*chants "fight!"*

You dare question my commitment to the cause! I'll beat your fat american ass, scum!
I really wish I knew where you lived.

I really wish I knew where you lived.

As do I...

I'll show you how real men fight, not your pussy american style.

Take a couple of minutes to watch the whole thing http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html
Let us never forget.


You know what is really sad? Most Americans will be watching NFL FOOTBALL on the 11th.

I never realized before just how many sick people there are in the world, and on this forum. :(Is it the first few pages that convinced you of this or how the thread has managed to degenerate?
I'd agree wholeheartedly if it's because of the later. I'm personally against the forgetting of other victims and not for the mocking of the victims of 9/11...

I really wish I knew where you lived.

relax you don't want the mods coming down on you man, these forums would get boring if you got banned

I'm telling you people remember 9/11/1973So have I. I guess people have forgotten...
Can't we remember all the victims of that day?

I really wish I knew where you lived.


The fool isn't worth it DCD. Although I would love to see you kick the crap out to the fool. :D

relax you don't want the mods coming down on you man, these forums would get boring if you got banned
I haven't flamed or threatened him. I'm just wondering if he's got the balls to say what he said when 6'1", JKD, Silat, Kali, Boxing, and Submission grappling trained me is standing face to face with him.

I haven't flamed or threatened him. I'm just wondering if he's got the balls to say what he said when 6'1", JKD, Silat, Kali, Boxing, and Submission grappling trained me is standing face to face with him.


My guess is no.

I haven't flamed or threatened him. I'm just wondering if he's got the balls to say what he said when 6'1", JKD, Silat, Kali, Boxing, and Submission grappling trained me is standing face to face with him.

Again you dare question my manliness!

And yes, i would kick your american ass up and down your street. Yo americans havent had a fair fight sinse 1812!

Again you dare question my manliness!

And yes, i would kick your american ass up and down your street. Yo americans havent had a fair fight sinse 1812!


Anyone else think we are dealing with a 13 year old Troll? :D

Again you dare question my manliness!

And yes, i would kick your american ass up and down your street. Yo americans havent had a fair fight sinse 1812!Just a question: How does his description of himself question your manliness? :confused:

Without being disrespectful, I dont think that the amount that die makes a big difference. '7/7' (which I think sounds stupid for the record) was just as bad, if not worse than 9/11, cos it was an attack closer to home. I'll still remember those that died though, whatever, wherever people have died cos of terrorism (apart from the terrorists, of course).

And to Caribel, you may not like America (hell I aint its greatest fan) but saying 9/11 was a good thing is just sick

Without being disrespectful, I dont think that the amount that die makes a big difference. '7/7' (which I think sounds stupid for the record) was just as bad, if not worse than 9/11, cos it was an attack closer to home. I'll still remember those that died though, whatever, wherever people have died cos of terrorism (apart from the terrorists, of course).

And to Caribel, you may not like America (hell I aint its greatest fan) but saying 9/11 was a good thing is just sick


9/11 was fantastic!!! Best thing to happen to the world in a hundered years.

My only regret is that more people wern't working!

American Deaths= :D

Without being disrespectful, I dont think that the amount that die makes a big difference. '7/7' (which I think sounds stupid for the record) was just as bad, if not worse than 9/11, cos it was an attack closer to home. I'll still remember those that died though, whatever, wherever people have died cos of terrorism (apart from the terrorists, of course).

And to Caribel, you may not like America (hell I aint its greatest fan) but saying 9/11 was a good thing is just sick

*Stands up and applauds*

9/11 was fantastic!!! Best thing to happen to the world in a hundered years.

My only regret is that more people wern't working!

American Deaths= :D

uh huh *cough "troll"*

9/11 was fantastic!!! Best thing to happen to the world in a hundered years.

My only regret is that more people wern't working!

American Deaths= :D
Who the fuck are you? Tell us a little about yourself. How old are you? (15, right?) Where do you live? (in a comfortable little suburb, right?) What have you ever done in life? (spent mommy and daddy's money, right?)

Who the fuck are you? Tell us a little about yourself. How old are you? (15, right?) Where do you live? (in a comfortable little suburb, right?) What have you ever done in life? (spent mommy and daddy's money, right?)Chill, DCD. At this point in time it's best not to respond to his posts and wait for MOD intervention.

uh huh *cough "troll"*


That and more I would say. :D

Who the fuck are you? Tell us a little about yourself. How old are you? (15, right?) Where do you live? (in a comfortable little suburb, right?) What have you ever done in life? (spent mommy and daddy's money, right?)

That and eating lead based paint chips.

Chill, DCD. At this point in time it's best not to respond to his posts and wait for MOD intervention.I know it, but it goes against my nature. I even reported him despite the fact that goint to the authorities, any kind of authorities, with my problems leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That's one thing I hate about the internet. Some peolpe feel free to say crap that they wouldn't say face to face, and they get away with it.

I know it, but it goes against my nature. I even reported him despite the fact that goint to the authorities, any kind of authorities, with my problems leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That's one thing I hate about the internet. Some peolpe feel free to say crap that they wouldn't say face to face, and they get away with it.


It really does suck Drunk commie deleted. Hell in another thread he said he wanted to kill all Americans. The person is one sick fucked up person. Pardon my language here people.

I know it, but it goes against my nature. I even reported him despite the fact that goint to the authorities, any kind of authorities, with my problems leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That's one thing I hate about the internet. Some peolpe feel free to say crap that they wouldn't say face to face, and they get away with it.The nice thing about sitting behind a computer is that if you get really pissed, you can sit back, get up, and do something else. Or stare at the screen to shocked to answer and try to gather your wits. That's usually how I try to deal with the situations, because just sometimes (not in this case, though) it's just a misunderstanding.
But you did the right thing reporting him. :)

I am not particularly proud of my country but this guy's just being a deliberate douchebag

I am not particularly proud of my country but this guy's just being a deliberate douchebag

I agree 100% with that statement. :D

R.I.P. vitims of 9/11
R.I.H. US media[/QUOTE]

So true. My heart goes out to all those who lost loved ones during the attack, and my prayers go out to all those who were taken from us by those savages.

I have about as much love for our media, as I do for the attackers themselves.

ha. ha. ha. you're attempt at humor was very funny. And here i was thinking that the rest of the world thought Americans were stupid, when in fact, it's apparently your people who confuse the AMERICAN 9-11 (Sept 11) w/ the Euro system of 9-11 (Nov 11).
This is a mourning thread. Have some decency.

I'd congratulate you on proving how stupid Americans can be by saying that 9/11 is Nov 11 (it's Nov 9) using the euro system, but you'd probably take it as an insult.

I'd congratulate you on proving how stupid Americans can be by saying that 9/11 is Nov 11 (it's Nov 9) using the euro system, but you'd probably take it as an insult.
Don't let your pride blind you. That was a remark of stereotyping and pure ignorance.

Don't let your pride blind you. That was a remark of stereotyping and pure ignorance.

I know I just felt like pointing it out and being an asshole at the same time :p

None was shot down. Bush never gave the order to shoot down a civilian plane. The passengers overpowered the terrorists and the plane ended up crashing away from populated areas.

Except for the fact that one of the fuel tanks exploded before the plane was anywhere near the ground (this was reported in a cellphone call by one of those onboard), and F-16s were nearby. Can you explain why that tank would have spontaneously exploded (we can rule out the terrorists blowing it up seeing as they wanted the plane intact to use as a weapon)

Returning to the original topic, yes I am sure we will all spare a thought tomorrow for the 3,000 defenceless civilians who died in America 4 years ago. But we'll probably spare a longer though for the 100,000 defenceless civilians who have died in Iraq (so far) as a result of Bush's lies

9/11 was fantastic!!! Best thing to happen to the world in a hundered years.

My only regret is that more people wern't working!

American Deaths= :D

I hope you die, and rot in hell. I would give everything I own, including my life, to send you, and all those who think like you, straight there!

Nothing would please me more in this life than to kill you with my bare hands, and watch the blood pour from your throat as I pull a blade from your larynx.

I wish you dead. I sincerely, honestly, with all of my heart, wish you a painful and excrutiating death.

*I apologize to the mods for having to deal with my comment, and I understand any actions you might have to take as a result. But for God's sake, why in the world would you let him keep talking like this?

How could I forget? It's on my calendar ... right there ... sandwiched between 9/10 and 9/12 ... same place it is every year.

Shall we discuss the time next?

This should get VERY interesting soon...

My personal opinion of your mindset is that you're happy that we got hit on 9/11. Granted nobody can read your mind, but your repeated posting of criticism on a thread that's for mourning and rememberance makes me think that there's a bit of schadenfreude in your heart. You don't have to wear sackcloth and ashes, but you can leave us alone to grieve and remember. That's what a decent person would do. If you feel the need to criticize you can start your own thread.

I wish to preface this by saying that I feel bad (insofar as I'm capable of sympathy in general; I'm told I'm not a very empathic person at all) for those who died and their families on September 11. Obviously it was a despicable act of murder, and obviously we should have some respect for those who died through no fault of their own.

However I also agree with those who say that it was exploited by the government in power; it was used to justify a war that still hasn't captured the ringleader of the terrorist organization but has caused hardship for innumerable citizens- themselves innocent- abroad. It was exploited to endorse increasing authoritarianism and support political dogma in the U.S. It was exploited to almost force a sense of solidarity where anyone who questioned any actions- related or not, beneficial or not- taken in its name in the aftermath was accused of being disloyal. The event, tragic as it was, *is* used as an instrument of propaganda. It has also been *so* heavily publicised that many people have become desensitized to the imagery and- while they will not (indeed, even without the constant reminding, most can not) forget- they don't want to have the memory rubbed raw every year like clockwork.

That said, many people *know* that the loss of life will never be forgotten, and see the reference to it- even in sincere commemoration- as continued exploitation for nationalistic propaganda. Many find that offensive and express their offense by reflexively attacking the entire 'regime' of remembrance. This is *not* a 'celebration' of the event. It isn't 'gloating' at the toll in human life. What it is is frustration, that they can't separate the image of the grieving families from the images of a president name-dropping the event whenever he wants everyone to fall supportively in line. An example of this exploitation that makes people so cynical is evident even now, after Hurricane Katrina, where the more criticism the administration faces for its response, the more it refers to September 11th to try and unify the public with comforting patriotism in order to silence dissenting voices. Planes flown deliberately into sky scrapers are completely unrelated to a hurricane, which is a *natural* disaster, except for the fact that they both killed people and will have a large collateral cost. Yet one is compared to the other because it's though that by mentioning September 11th, which was an attack on the nation, that it will rally the entire nation to respond (and in the process, distract the nation from the government's shortcomings in its response.)

Those who pay close attention to the media, to history, to the motions and words of governments, notice these things, and can understandably be driven towards cynicism. They can't hear any reference to September 11th- which five years ago was just another date on the calendar (incidentally, I too wish they could give the attack a 'name' instead of just referring to it by the date)- without recalling everything that's been done in its name in the four years since, much of which they find fault with.

You should understand that by raising the subject you open the floor to dialogue, and their expressions of frustration- while it may seem disrespectful to you- have their place in that dialogue. You cannot reasonably expect any discussion on the matter to be so limited and so one-sided as to consist solely of everyone saying "yes, that was awful" and "yes, we all feel bad." To expect as much suggests that you can't put it in perspective, that you're blinded either by grief, or nationalism, or both.

Consider this: When the anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki roll around, if Japanese citizens in this forum were to start numerous threads to commemorate it, I think we all *know* for a fact, there would be American citizens who would cite Pearl Harbour and Japanese imperialism at the time as justifications for it. Any attempt at bringing up the nuclear bombings without admitting their historical perspective- the wrongdoings that led to it and that followed- would be denounced as a pity party by the Japanese.

No one- person or country- should be so privelaged as to anually show (dare I say parade) its scars- scars *everyone* has seen and everyone knows about- without eventually having to answer some unpleasant questions: why were you involved in a fight in the first place? Who started it? Have all of the actions you've taken in avenging your wounds been honourable? Have you borne them with dignity or kept the wounds open and bleeding for sympathy?

(Incidentally, while somewhat unrelated, I wonder if anyone else felt offended when officials started comparing the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina- a natural disaster that befell the U.S.- with a 'nuclear bombing'- a man-made disaster that has only every been perpetrated by the U.S.?)

I hope you die, and rot in hell. I would give everything I own, including my life, to send you, and all those who think like you, straight there!

Nothing would please me more in this life than to kill you with my bare hands, and watch the blood pour from your throat as I pull a blade from your larynx.

I wish you dead. I sincerely, honestly, with all of my heart, wish you a painful and excrutiating death.

*I apologize to the mods for having to deal with my comment, and I understand any actions you might have to take as a result. But for God's sake, why in the world would you let him keep talking like this?

I'd like to know that as well.

You know what is really sad? Most Americans will be watching NFL FOOTBALL on the 11th.

You know what? The ones who died, did so, so that we are able to watch football on the 11th and carry on with our lives in the ways we know best. I don't see it as an insult to those who died by relaxing and enjoying ourselves. I commend your concern, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with living life.

As long as we keep those who died in our hearts and memories.

And to The Techosai Imperium , I commend you for an excellent post. I personally wouldn't belittle the Japanese's grieving process if they brought up the atomic bomb attacks, since those lost in those attacks, and any attacks for that matter, are worthwhile of remembrance and utmost respect. Unless those lost are terrorists, but that's just a personal bias.

Well said sir!

*Hands Brenchley a Rich Tea biscuit*

Prefer a Chocolate Digestive please :)

A good program to watch is "Suicide Bombers: Cult of Death" which will be on the Discovery channel tonight at 8pm Arizona time and 8 pm Pacific time.

It'll show the reason why we are at war. It will show just exactly how the opponents of the US think and act.

How can I forget! Tommorrows my birthday! (Talk about depressing birthday parties!)

note: I am serious. My birthday is on 9/11.

Remind me at the start of November and I will send you a birthday card.

If, however, tomorrow is your birthday then your birthday is 11/9 not 9/11.

You know what? The ones who died, did so, so that we are able to watch football on the 11th and carry on with our lives in the ways we know best. I don't see it as an insult to those who died by relaxing and enjoying ourselves. I commend your concern, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with living life.

As long as we keep those who died in our hearts and memories.

I know that. I myself just cannot bring myself to do that even though I love watching the NFL. I was supposed to see the Packers play the Lions but I passed on the tickets. It wasn't sitting well with me.

We haven't forgotten 9-13 in Mexico in 150 years, why would you forget 9-11 in just 4?

And the Chileans haven't forgotten 9-11 either. Plenty to remember around these dates.

Since when have there been 13 months?

A good program to watch is "Suicide Bombers: Cult of Death" which will be on the Discovery channel tonight at 8pm Arizona time and 8 pm Pacific time.

It'll show the reason why we are at war. It will show just exactly how the opponents of the US think and act.


I'll have to watch that tonight then. Don't they have something on Sunday about the 4th flight?

Since when have there been 13 months?

While I realize that it's annoying that America went off on it's own and did their own month/day/year format as opposed to the standard European day/month/year format (which I usually use, by the way) :) , keep in mind that some of the dates you'll see here probably follow the American format. Just to help you out on the 13 month thing. ;)

It is ridiculous to think that any of us who can remember September 11th would forget it. So I think that there must be something in particular you want us to remember about 9-11, what might that be?

Also, seeing as it really no longer weighs into current affairs directly, why would we need to bring it back to our conscious now?

You know what? The ones who died, did so, so that we are able to watch football on the 11th and carry on with our lives in the ways we know best. I don't see it as an insult to those who died by relaxing and enjoying ourselves. I commend your concern, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with living life.

As long as we keep those who died in our hearts and memories.

Actually they didn't. They died for the West's arrogance, it's past mistakes and it's failure to fix them. They died for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They died for the goals of a terrorist. They did not die for me or you, they died for lies and murder.

They did not nobly sacrifice themselves on the altar of freedom, they were slaughtered in the temple of money.

This isn't to say they were evil, no more than you or I, I'm just saying that crap like I quoted is somewhere between fabrication and foul sentimentalist rhetoric.


Techosai Imperium, you just earned yourself a pack of biscuits.


Yes I know I swore this thread off, I have poor willpower.

As do I...

I'll show you how real men fight, not your pussy american style.

As Yoda would say,

Shut the Fuck Up, You Must.

as long as in remembering we don't get too upset to think clearly on how to deal with the problem this time. but it seems an even worse tragedy occured as of late and we must not lose sight of our current efforts by dwelling on the past.

As Yoda would say,

Shut the Fuck Up, You Must.


I can just see him saying that. :D

ha. ha. ha. you're attempt at humor was very funny. And here i was thinking that the rest of the world thought Americans were stupid, when in fact, it's apparently your people who confuse the AMERICAN 9-11 (Sept 11) w/ the Euro system of 9-11 (Nov 11).

It is NOT the "euro system". By international convention you can write the date as 2001-09-11 YYYY-MM-DD, or as 11-09-2001 DD-MM-YYYY. However, if you just state the day and month the convention is always dd/mm.


This is a mourning thread. Have some decency.

I do, but I also expect people posting to an international forum to show respect for international standards.


and on that note, for Sept 11, I will be singing in a church choir in rememberence of what happened in 2001.

Maybe if you, and a lot of your other countrymen, stopped worshipping fairy stories you would be better able to deal with the real world.

By the way, where were you when hundreds of my countrymen were being killed by bombs paid for, for many years, largely by funds raided in the USA?

Actually they didn't. They died for the West's arrogance, it's past mistakes and it's failure to fix them. They died for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They died for the goals of a terrorist. They did not die for me or you, they died for lies and murder.

I was with you up to the point of lies and murder. This seems to be the ultra-liberal rallying call lately. Or maybe it's just much more pronounced recently, since the media's given you the spotlight.
It almost seems as if you're saying that the terrorists were justified... I wouldn't take kindly to that at all. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this isn't what you mean.

They did not nobly sacrifice themselves on the altar of freedom,

Actually, I should have clarified. The civil servants (police, firemen, others who went in to help) laid down their lives. I'm sure the poor buggers in the buildings had no intention of laying down their lives, nor should they have.

they were slaughtered in the temple of money.

Actually, money didn't have everything to do with it. It was mostly due to politics dating back to the Cold War with the former Soviet Union, among other things.

This isn't to say they were evil, no more than you or I, I'm just saying that crap like I quoted is somewhere between fabrication and foul sentimentalist rhetoric.

That crap? You must mean my crap. I've been called worse by better.

While I realize that it's annoying that America went off on it's own and did their own month/day/year format as opposed to the standard European day/month/year format (which I usually use, by the way) :) , keep in mind that some of the dates you'll see here probably follow the American format. Just to help you out on the 13 month thing. ;)

But this is an international forum so we should expect them to follow international rules....Oh wait! Yes! They are Merkings after all :)

I was with you up to the point of lies and murder. This seems to be the ultra-liberal rallying call lately. Or maybe it's just much more pronounced recently, since the media's given you the spotlight.
It almost seems as if you're saying that the terrorists were justified... I wouldn't take kindly to that at all. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this isn't what you mean.

By 'lies and murder' I meant a more general sense. This shit all dates back to Exodus if you want to trace it that far, the World Trade Centre was another curve in the spiral.

Actually, money didn't have everything to do with it. It was mostly due to politics dating back to the Cold War with the former Soviet Union, among other things.

I was a tad melodramatic with that statement, I'm sorry, it was something of a play on the 'World Trade Centre'.

That crap? You must mean my crap. I've been called worse by better.

Doubtless you have, I was lashing out at the way you put it, I just get sick of it all being rehashed. (I think the killing moment was the Spiderman comic about the event, sickening 'patriotic' crap).

I agree with you on one thing though. Everyone who went into those buildings to help was a hero.

I'll have to watch that tonight then. Don't they have something on Sunday about the 4th flight?
Let me look it up. Do you know what channel it was supposed to be on?

I agree with you on one thing though. Everyone who went into those buildings to help was a hero.

Cheers, mate.

Let me look it up. Do you know what channel it was supposed to be on?
9pm on Sunday is "The flight that fought back" about flight 93. Like the other one, this will also be on the discovery channel. It's about the heroic actions of the passengers on flight 93.

By 'lies and murder' I meant a more general sense. This shit all dates back to Exodus if you want to trace it that far, the World Trade Centre was another curve in the spiral.



I was a tad melodramatic with that statement, I'm sorry, it was something of a play on the 'World Trade Centre'.



Doubtless you have, I was lashing out at the way you put it, I just get sick of it all being rehashed. (I think the killing moment was the Spiderman comic about the event, sickening 'patriotic' crap).

I agree with you on one thing though. Everyone who went into those buildings to help was a hero.

Back to the Exodus? What are you on? :confused:

Sorry to say this, but you have already forgotten.

Where is Osama?

What do you want? Does Bush need to give a speech every night saying "We still haven't found Osama bin Laden!" for you to understand that we're still looking for him?

What do you want? Does Bush need to give a speech every night saying "We still haven't found Osama bin Laden!" for you to understand that we're still looking for him?


It would be better had Bush said, something to the effect of "We don't care about Osama anymore"

It would be better had Bush said, something to the effect of "We don't care about Osama anymore"
... that sounds vaguely familiar.... :p

Back to the Exodus? What are you on?

A slightly empty stomach as it happens.

The Middle East has been a hotbed of religious conflict for thousands of years, the kick-off (pretty much) was the Israelites wee rampage into Canaan, since then, various religions and ethnicities have been fighting over it, each round leaving the survivors more pissed off and ready to hurt the next opponent, currently Israel and the Palestinians are duking it out. Osamam Bin Laden's motives almost certainly come directly from the Western exploitation of the Middle East as a political tool in the Cold War (particularly Israel) and more indirectly from things like the Crusades which have tainted attitudes ever since.

3,000 die in New York
30,000 die in Fallujah

My mourning will be 30 times greater for those in Fallujah than those in New York.

3,000 die in New York
30,000 die in Fallujah

My mourning will be 30 times greater for those in Fallujah than those in New York.
Any loss of life deserves mourning. I don't like to say that one loss deserves more than the next one. I mourn for all.

A slightly empty stomach as it happens.

The Middle East has been a hotbed of religious conflict for thousands of years, the kick-off (pretty much) was the Israelites wee rampage into Canaan, since then, various religions and ethnicities have been fighting over it, each round leaving the survivors more pissed off and ready to hurt the next opponent, currently Israel and the Palestinians are duking it out. Osamam Bin Laden's motives almost certainly come directly from the Western exploitation of the Middle East as a political tool in the Cold War (particularly Israel) and more indirectly from things like the Crusades which have tainted attitudes ever since.
You're the blaming the jews? That's pretty anti-semitic don't you think?

Any loss of life deserves mourning. I don't like to say that one loss deserves more than the next one. I mourn for all.

If 30,000 died in New York i'd weep for them as much as Fallujah. They're all equal on a 1 to 1 basis in my view.

My mind will wander for about a half second to New York tomorrow, but i am more likely to think longer sorrowfully about the hundreds of thousands who have died needlessly because of what started that day... the 'War on Terror'.

... that sounds vaguely familiar.... :p

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html)]

You're the blaming the jews? That's pretty anti-semitic don't you think?

If I was in the business of chucking blame around I'd have to blame God really :D

My actual point (insofar as I have one) is that this is a long, long cycle of violence, it's going to take a hell of an effort to break free from it, I'm not sure we can and I have a horrible feeling it's too late to try now. Had we tried on 12/9/2001 maybe not.

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html)]

*BUUURrrrrrrrrPPPPpppp*

Oh, excuse me...

If I was in the business of chucking blame around I'd have to blame God really :D

My actual point (insofar as I have one) is that this is a long, long cycle of violence, it's going to take a hell of an effort to break free from it, I'm not sure we can and I have a horrible feeling it's too late to try now. Had we tried on 12/9/2001 maybe not.
I date the problems only as far back as European imperialism. When the brits and the french were in the area mucking things up. They had peace during Ottoman rule.

What the mideast needs is one national government. Every time you have one government in the region there is always peace. When you have more than 2 or 3 you always have wars.
Problem is that at this time there is no one there who is powerful enough to create a regionwide government.

I date the problems only as far back as European imperialism. When the brits and the french were in the area mucking things up. They had peace during Ottoman rule.Yes, damn Lawrence of Arabia!
I wonder if Turks would still be considered traitors to Islam by the fundamentalist Arabs if the British hadn't gotten them to rebel against the Turkish rule?

Yes, damn Lawrence of Arabia!
I wonder if Turks would still be considered traitors to Islam by the fundamentalist Arabs if the British hadn't gotten them to rebel against the Turkish rule?
Don't forget it was the british spies who created the rebellions in the first place by causing discontent within the Ottoman Empire.
Much as American spies did in the Soviet Union leading the Soviet's demise.

Don't forget it was the british spies who created the rebellions in the first place by causing discontent within the Ottoman Empire.
Much as American spies did in the Soviet Union leading the Soviet's demise.Lawrence of Arabia being one of the formost of said "spies".

Is it the first few pages that convinced you of this or how the thread has managed to degenerate?
I'd agree wholeheartedly if it's because of the later. I'm personally against the forgetting of other victims and not for the mocking of the victims of 9/11...

The latter.

Again you dare question my manliness!

And yes, i would kick your american ass up and down your street. Yo americans havent had a fair fight sinse 1812!

Quit trying to flame this thread.

MODS please lock this thread. Thank you. Celtlund.

It's a shame. What started out as a humble reflection to the lives lost in the Trade Towers on the day before its aniversary, turned into an America Sucks fest. Not everyone, but a few.

And no, AC, I'm not talking about you.

And yes, MODS, please lock this.

And let us all rejoice in how much safer we are now...

I doubt the british, americans, and french were feeling very safe in 1942 either....

The United states is still at war...judging your safety right now is a little retarded :rolleyes:

First off, let me say I work nights.. so I'm often confused on what "day" it is....

Anyhow, here's why I'm pathetic - I came home from a little day trip this afternoon and there in my front yard was the flag that I donated to the boy scouts - they put it out on each national holiday. I got out of my car, stood there, looked at it and went..

"I thought LAST weekend was Labor Day... Ya.. It was... I wonder what the flag is for..."

It took me until I read this post that I thought "Oh Yeah.. that's right.. Sunday is September 11, DUH. How could I forget?".

The answer is simple. Yes, it was a loss of life and an attack on America by those wishing to strike fear in the hearts of others. While I don't forget those who died, my life, for the most part, has returned to before the terrorists - except that I hate our government more, I have even less confidence in it, and know that in the real world, I'm on my own and must fend for myself.

I don't know about the rest of you, but personally, I think the greatest way of honoring those whom died is to not forget them, but continue living with as little fear as possible. Not an excuse for forgetting, but perhaps a reason to move on.

~Rose

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html)]
That if a famously misued quote. Though I don't agree with Mr. Bush's views, I know that if you continue to read what he said after that sentence, you'll realize why he said that in the first place. If you take a clip of dialogue like that, you can twist it and turn it to fit your argument quite well, just as you have done.

I'm not trying to be negative here, and I'm sorry if I've come across as such.

That if a famously misued quote. Though I don't agree with Mr. Bush's views, I know that if you continue to read what he said after that sentence, you'll realize why he said that in the first place. If you take a clip of dialogue like that, you can twist it and turn it to fit your argument quite well, just as you have done.

I'm not trying to be negative here, and I'm sorry if I've come across as such.

You're absolutely right. Many people take quotes out of context when trying to "prove" some political point, and use certain sayings for a shock effect without even realizing what's really being said and why it's being said.

e.g.- Michael Moore

Michael Moore did this many times, especially with Condoleezza Rice.

In truth, President Bush did say this, but it's not as shocking when you see his whole explanation.

In truth, President Bush did say this, but it's not as shocking when you see his whole explanation.
I disagree. There are times that it is absolutely critical we examine what those in authority are actually saying - without allowing ourselves to be swayed by whatever window-dressing they're prone to tacking on to their statements.

I disagree. There are times that it is absolutely critical we examine what those in authority are actually saying - without allowing ourselves to be swayed by whatever window-dressing they're prone to tacking on to their statements.

That's a good argument.

I just dissent in that there are valid reasons for why things are being said, sometimes. This particular instance isn't the best example of this. Personally, I don't think Bush gave valid reasons in this case, in regards to "Finding Osama". Sounds like "Finding Forester"....

But anyway, there are certain cases where taking things out of context totally changes the meaning behind what's being said.

I hope you die, and rot in hell. I would give everything I own, including my life, to send you, and all those who think like you, straight there!

Nothing would please me more in this life than to kill you with my bare hands, and watch the blood pour from your throat as I pull a blade from your larynx.

I wish you dead. I sincerely, honestly, with all of my heart, wish you a painful and excrutiating death.

*I apologize to the mods for having to deal with my comment, and I understand any actions you might have to take as a result. But for God's sake, why in the world would you let him keep talking like this?

He's tolerated because he's talking trash about AMericans and laughing at American death. That is perfectly OK with the NS mods. You'd better look out though because giving it back to these little cowards WILL get you into trouble with the mods.....

He's tolerated because he's talking trash about AMericans and laughing at American death. That is perfectly OK with the NS mods. You'd better look out though because giving it back to these little cowards WILL get you into trouble with the mods.....


Unfortunately it's too true :( .

Here are some words of encouragement, however. We're on the right side though, mon Amercains.

Psalms 140, New King James Bible

1 Deliver me, oh Lord, From evil men;
Preserve me from Violent men,

2 Who plan evil things in their hearts;
They continually gather for war;

3They sharpen their tongues like a serpent;
The poison of asps is under their lips. Selah

4. Keep me, oh Lord, from the hands of the wicken;
Preserve me from violent men,
Who have purposed to make my steps stumble.

5.The proud have hidden a snare for me, and cords;
They have spread a net by the wayside;
They have set traps for me. Selah

8. Do not grant, oh Lord, the desires of the wicked; Do not further his evil wicked Scheme, lest they be exalted. Selah

9. As for the head of those who surround me, let the evil of their lips cover them;

10 Let burning coals fall upon them;
Let them be cast into the fire,
Into deep pits, that they rise not up again.
Let not a slanderer be established in the earth;Let evil hunt the violent man to overthrow him.

Unfortunately it's too true :( .

Here are some words of encouragement, however. We're on the right side though, mon Amercains.

Psalms 140, New King James Bible

1 Deliver me, oh Lord, From evil men;
Preserve me from Violent men,

2 Who plan evil things in their hearts;
They continually gather for war;

3They sharpen their tongues like a serpent;
The poison of asps is under their lips. Selah

4. Keep me, oh Lord, from the hands of the wicken;
Preserve me from violent men,
Who have purposed to make my steps stumble.

5.The proud have hidden a snare for me, and cords;
They have spread a net by the wayside;
They have set traps for me. Selah

8. Do not grant, oh Lord, the desires of the wicked; Do not further his evil wicked Scheme, lest they be exalted. Selah

9. As for the head of those who surround me, let the evil of their lips cover them;

10 Let burning coals fall upon them;
Let them be cast into the fire,
Into deep pits, that they rise not up again.
Let not a slanderer be established in the earth;Let evil hunt the violent man to overthrow him.

You know that could be taken several ways. The US has been semiperpetually at war for the last 50 years one way or another...

fuck i hate them damn Terroists

i wish they would fucking die

[the chain of events]
Terroist kill innocents
:fluffle: :mp5:
Soldiers kill Terroists and Civilans
:mp5: :fluffle: :gundge:
Civilians suffer
:fluffle: :(
Soldiers Take control of Country and Civilians and Soldiers suffer
:gundge: :(

thats was the case in Iraq AND Afghanistan
why did those countries had to suffer??
ask the americans!

I saw that in the other thread, but I didn't realize you were using this to justify the war on terror. I don't think that this verse says anything like that. It's asking god to destroy violent men, and to have "evil" hunt them.

I'm sure you can find a more pro-war verse somewhere in the old Testament. There are some real blood and guts bits in there. This sounds like some real granola peacenik stuff.

You know that could be taken several ways. The US has been semiperpetually at war for the last 50 years one way or another...

For the cause of Freedom, no doubt.

He's tolerated because he's talking trash about AMericans and laughing at American death. That is perfectly OK with the NS mods. You'd better look out though because giving it back to these little cowards WILL get you into trouble with the mods.....
You know, this might not be the best example to use of "OMG anti-American mod bias!"...
What with the fact that Caribel has already been reported and deleted... (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443385)

But anyway, there are certain cases where taking things out of context totally changes the meaning behind what's being said.
This is the difference between a politician and a statesman.

For the cause of Freedom, no doubt.

Ab bub bub...

'American' freedom. ;)

I saw that in the other thread, but I didn't realize you were using this to justify the war on terror. I don't think that this verse says anything like that. It's asking god to destroy violent men, and to have "evil" hunt them.

I'm sure you can find a more pro-war verse somewhere in the old Testament. There are some real blood and guts bits in there. This sounds like some real granola peacenik stuff.

I'm not using it to justify the WOT-it is justified in an of itself as a war for survival. These are words of encouragement written long ago by God that apply even today.

The OT is like a really long Action movie that spans a few thousand years and makes prophecies that come true-ones that noone would have ever thought would have.

Ab bub bub...

'American' freedom. ;)

Al-sadr and a whole bunch of Iraqis don't think it's just for Americains...

You know, if you went and checked up on Caribel rather than started talking about mod bias, you'd realize that Caribel was reported and deleted.
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443385



Hehehe....I think this is the first time I ever say thanks to an anarchist ;) !

Thanks.

Al-sadr and a whole bunch of Iraqis don't think it's just for Americains...

I meant that i agree that
The US has been semiperpetually at war for the last 50 years one way or another...

Not talking about iraq- and what has the Bible or this topic got to do with the thread anyways.... :confused: ?

For the cause of Freedom, no doubt.

If 'freedom' is defined as 'Free-market capitalism in favour of the US' then yes, all in the name of freedom.

He's tolerated because he's talking trash about AMericans and laughing at American death. That is perfectly OK with the NS mods. You'd better look out though because giving it back to these little cowards WILL get you into trouble with the mods.....
I know that already.

I know that already.

You know he's been banned right...

You know, this might not be the best example to use of "OMG anti-American mod bias!"...
What with the fact that Caribel has already been reported and deleted... (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443385)

? Ah maybe it's a blue moon. Maybe this is the one day of the year that slagging us yanks is'nt acceptable. Who knew?

You know he's been banned right...

Yup after 15 pages. While an American defending his country can get shot down in two. Merry Xmas.

You know he's been banned right...
who? That Caribel person? Yes, and I'm glad actually.
But its no big deal. I've been banned and deleted many many times for combating evil anti american people like him.

Seems to me he was the kind of person who went around claiming that Bush created the hurricane and invented AIDS. (that's allegorical)

These are words of encouragement written long ago by God that apply even today.

I'm curious as to how you come to that reading. It sounds to me like it was written by a person, and addressed to god. Why would god be asking things of "the lord". It sounds like a very angry and frustrated human being asking that god punish the violent men who make war. I can relate.

Now if you want parts of the bible where god tells people to cut off heads and bathe the earth in blood, I know that you can find them.

For the cause of Freedom, no doubt.
You mean like for imposing dictatorships to replace elected governments? That's what it's been like for quite some time this cause of "Freedom" you applaud.

I hope you die, and rot in hell. I would give everything I own, including my life, to send you, and all those who think like you, straight there!

Nothing would please me more in this life than to kill you with my bare hands, and watch the blood pour from your throat as I pull a blade from your larynx.

I wish you dead. I sincerely, honestly, with all of my heart, wish you a painful and excrutiating death.

*I apologize to the mods for having to deal with my comment, and I understand any actions you might have to take as a result. But for God's sake, why in the world would you let him keep talking like this?
Apologizing for your actions in the same post doesn't lessen your true meaning. Threats such as these are not tolerated on this forum. Take a break, and realize that posting threats is never allowed, no matter who it is.

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