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My town always issues ID cards for grades 6 up for taking out library books. But this year, the high school(which I go to) has started a program effective Tuesday that all students must wear ID cards during the school day.

What do you think about this? Is it a good idea? Is it trampling on our civil rights? Is it another roll down the slippery slope? Does your school have a similar policy?

I think it is ridiculous that my school can't trust us. It is quite obvious which troublemakers require expulsion. I am scared that if somebody makes another bomb threat, they'll install metal detectors(there are already quite a few cameras). I think it is all just a waste of money when few teachers have "class sets" of books and many of us have to break our backs shleping them everywhere.

Please await poll. Please vote only once per category(1, 2, 3,...). I'm making your names public so you can be ostracized for ignoring this.

Jesus man. It's our ID card. Not a chain around our necks. You need it less often than non-minors who have ID cards/drivers licenses.

It's a nice little joke at our school. No one uses them, much less carries them around.

We need them for FOOD now....that's just wrong.

Actually I think they should be used for buying lunch. You scan it for your lunch and receive a bill at the end of the quarter, semester, or year.

It doesn't bother me; it makes it easier to keep track of people and can help identify troublemakers. It's not like they're using it to punish me for disagreeing or exercising free speech on issues. I don't even think there is a right that could be violated by these procedures.

We've got student ID, but it's for library stuff and it gives discounts at some places, we don't have to have it while we're at school.

Actually I think they should be used for buying lunch. You scan it for your lunch and receive a bill at the end of the quarter, semester, or year.

Heh, here, we put money on an account, scan the card (Once we get them...) and then the money gets deducted. We also use them for the library, though, if you remember your number, then you're fine, and don't need the card. They say that when the cards come around, we'll need them for everything... (And we won't be allowed to only give out number.)

Frankly, I think that it's ridiculous, I mean, when we give our number, the computer comes up with our picture anyway.

Actually I think they should be used for buying lunch. You scan it for your lunch and receive a bill at the end of the quarter, semester, or year.

We pay cash....up front or at the register, no bill. We need a card to even buy the food whether or not you are paying now or already paid.

I don't know how, but the board mad e the percentages according to my categories. :confused: AI is starting to scare me.

Hey your right.....wow....kinda scary XD

Our libarary uses a fucking finger print scanner

How come theres no choice for no bag checks? Theres no metel detecters or ID cards but there is CCTV

They don't search bags or have metal detectors, but the school I go to does have ID cards which must be showing or at least available at all times and we have cameras in every single hallway.

Plus, in a few years they will be installing cameras in classrooms.

Heh, here, we put money on an account, scan the card (Once we get them...) and then the money gets deducted. We also use them for the library, though, if you remember your number, then you're fine, and don't need the card. They say that when the cards come around, we'll need them for everything... (And we won't be allowed to only give out number.)

Frankly, I think that it's ridiculous, I mean, when we give our number, the computer comes up with our picture anyway.

In that case its mostly just a speed of use issue. If there's a long line of people trying to get books or food it bogs it down a lot if each one has to say name and number. Its much quicker if they can just swipe a card. If someone forgets their card they should be allowed to enter by number, though.

In that case its mostly just a speed of use issue. If there's a long line of people trying to get books or food it bogs it down a lot if each one has to say name and number. Its much quicker if they can just swipe a card. If someone forgets their card they should be allowed to enter by number, though.

better then us...we don't have swipers! It's still present card then go.

In that case its mostly just a speed of use issue. If there's a long line of people trying to get books or food it bogs it down a lot if each one has to say name and number. Its much quicker if they can just swipe a card. If someone forgets their card they should be allowed to enter by number, though.

Here, the cards don't really help. I've seen people scan their cards five to ten times before they work. The scanners really need to be upgraded/replaced before they can be of any help.

My school would only let students go into the library if they had a library card with them, otherwise they were turned away. Even if they were obviously a student, even if the staff knew them. And these cards were available free to everyone. What on earth is the point of that?
Theres nothing wrong with ID cards as long as they serve a purpose more useful than keeping students away from books.

My school would only let students go into the library if they had a library card with them, otherwise they were turned away. Even if they were obviously a student, even if the staff knew them. And these cards were available free to everyone. What on earth is the point of that?
Theres nothing wrong with ID cards as long as they serve a purpose more useful than keeping students away from books.

This especially doesn't make sense because in my school only maybe 5% of the kids who use the library take out books. The rest use it to study or for the computers.

My school is to issue student IDs at the end of this month. What are they used for, you ask? They are for lunch, security, and, presumably, the library. These IDs MUST be carried at all times, and they MUST be stuck to your shirt. I was sick and missed the picture day, and I hope that I will be able to get a picture for the ID, lest the entire military be called upon to smack me down.

To me, high school has been a fickle thing that changes every year. I am far from the norm, and my family moves often. This is my third highschool, with one for every year. All of them have different requirements. Different clubs. Different people. So, while the normal kids get to say they've known so-and-so since kindergarten, I can say that I've never met any of these people before. I can say that the school counselors and such will be meeting my fist if I move again, as the stupid people have been telling me they don't accept this class, or that class, and that what the last school did to get me square overthere just screwed me over at the next place.

I can go on and on and on about the failings of the school system in America, and all teachers/principles/etc. should band together and vote against me as a bloc if I ever run for president. Giving me shit about how my science class, math class, history class, etc. don't count will not happen to anyone else if I am elected. Under pain of death. But that is far beyond this thread, and I've already gone way off topic I think.

My school does/has nothing that's in the poll.

My school has cards. I need them, however to work out or go to dances.

I think it is ok for school administrators to ask a student to present and ID, but to wear them during school hours is outrageous. It breaks open our security and privacy.

hehehe, i dont know what we use our school id for except gettin discount prices on junk, crossin the border and maybe tiny tiny other stuff. :p

We get cards, but it's for library stuff, ect. Wow, I never realized schools would be as tight as prisons. I mean, we have a "take no shit-give no shit" policy, so troublemakers are quickly taken care of. I guess they consider us more responsible, just like other schools think no one can be trusted. But come on, cameras in every classroom? Bring that up at the next board meeting. Can you even go to those without a card?

I love living in a small town.

We get cards, but it's for library stuff, ect. Wow, I never realized schools would be as tight as prisons. I mean, we have a "take no shit-give no shit" policy, so troublemakers are quickly taken care of. I guess they consider us more responsible, just like other schools think no one can be trusted. But come on, cameras in every classroom? Bring that up at the next board meeting. Can you even go to those without a card?

I love living in a small town.

In my town, they installed cameras after two idiots made bomb threats. Allegedly(I don't have proof), there is a camera in one of the girl's bathrooms in the junior high. The girls who told me that said there was a waiver our parents signed at the beginning of the year. I don't recall any waiver.

This should have included whether or not your school wears uniforms or not. It is a relatively simple way of identifying who was a school student.

My school makes you buy a "Student Activity Card" for 10$ which is stupid really because you can't join in activities unless you also buy the super specail "Student Activity Sticker" (which costs 20$)to be placed on your Card. (They swear it's not an ID card but it seems to me that a card with your name, student number and picture, is probably identifing you.) I've asked about just buying the sticker but apparently you have to buy the card so that they can stick it onto something.

back when i was in high school we had a two year mini-insurrection over being forced to wear the stupid things. some of the teachers went all nazi about them and the admin thought they were the greatest things ever, so i had a good time fucking with them. ah, my first forays into direct action; demanding to be dragged into the dean's office if they wanted me there so badly, collecting a hundred of the things and publicly dumping them in the trash. good fun. too bad they wound up just waiting until my class graduated to reintroduce the policy in full force.

I had a pretty nice high school, it was ranked two-hundred-something nationally among all high schools after just two years of being open.

And we didn't have metal detectors, required ID cards, or backpack searches. They did issue ID cards, but they were mostly just useful for getting free food at nearby restaurants. You technically could use them for lunch and the library, but custom was that that was never the case. The school did have security cameras, but only in the halls and larger rooms and of course the gym and auditorium.

And fair minority of students think the administration (all of them strangely are Greek-American) is too strict/conservative. It's not like they ban music players, or playing cards, or anything like that...

I think it is ok for school administrators to ask a student to present and ID, but to wear them during school hours is outrageous. It breaks open our security and privacy.

which is why we made 'ID covers' out of black posterboard and distributed them to everybody.

And fair minority of students think the administration (all of them strangely are Greek-American) is too strict/conservative.

that's cause the greeks know how to run a school. they riot and take hostages if the cops even step foot onto a university over there.

Honesty it's for your own safety. You need something that quickly allowes people to identify people who don't belong. Plus it's greaty for teachers, they can check your name against you face if you commit a rule infraction.

Besides, you're kids. You have practically no rights and I don't plan to give you any more.

Now if the government made me wear an ID card... I'd go Benjamin Franklyn on their ass! We'd have revolution up in this bitch! HOOAH!

...ugh...hmmm

*slinks away*

Honesty it's for your own safety. You need something that quickly allowes people to identify people who don't belong.

and they just might stop a bullet should your school get shot up. and you can use them to duck and cover in case of nuclear blast.

well, we have no metal detectors, we have no video cameras(except the ones used by the art classes), and the teachers only try to search bags when they are looking for our cellphones, even then we still have the right to tell them to get fucked.

we have the option of getting student ID cards, but by the time we are quite obviusly outside of teh 'child' group at movies and etc, most of us have our drivers licences anyway.

we need our library cards to get books out from the library, or to get equipment from the sports shed.

and wtf? why do you need a card for lunch? do they take food out of your bag if you dont give them a card or what? that is just stupid

I think it is ok for school administrators to ask a student to present and ID, but to wear them during school hours is outrageous. It breaks open our security and privacy.

It doesn't break any security or privacy rights. Are you going to say the same thing when you get a job that requires you to wear/display your ID card anytime you step foot onto their property? A lot of companies are starting to require ID badges/card just because it makes it easier to identify whether someone should or shouldn't be there. Also makes it easier to identify what type of employee they are, or if they are visiting temporarily.

Most workplace badges have some sort of device inside that is used to allow access into the facility and to be scanned if it ever comes down to checking whether a person does or doesn't work there. I know my high school gave teachers ADT cards that they swept on a pad on all entrances so they can get in and it records what time and door they used just in case that information was ever needed. I also know my dad has an ID badge for his job that he swipes at the entrance to the facility he works at. It's also used for more building access around the facility.

My high school issued everyone an required-to-wear ID card last year (my senior year). Nobody liked the idea of having to wear it either, but I had no problem with it. Most people who had a problem with it thought it just wasn't fair. Guess what? It is. It was a GREAT help for knowing who was or wasn't supposed to be in the school. There were a lot of times where drop outs and graduates would just walk in and cause trouble or just to say hi to teachers during the day, but with these ID cards security had an easier time knowing who was or wasn't a student. They were also used for library checkouts and lunch purchases. It was much faster than the old way of looking up people's ID numbers. I used to do computer troubleshooting for the library computers and I'd end up checking books out for people or something. With just a scan I get presented with all the information I'd need already filled in on the screen. Same for lunch, except they had working card readers that you swiped the card through. If you had money in the account it'd just deduct the cost or you'd be able to pay in cash. I thought it was a great idea.

Our school didn't have metal detectors or bag checks. However, the other public high school in my township (over 100,000 residents where I live) had a rule where students weren't allowed to carry bookbags except for certain reasons. I don't remember if they got rid of that rule, but I know my school would stay as far away as possible from those kind of rules.

Security cameras in the hallways and entrances were a big help for reviewing people breaking rules or whatnot. Some people would think it's wrong to videotape everything, but come on - CCTV's have been in school and public buses for years now and no one really complains about that. There definitely have been cases where the CCTV helped the driver figure out who is causing trouble and gets him/her removed or in some cases, convicted the driver of assault on students.

My school was pretty lax about me and my friend breaking rules though. Since we were the only two people in the school who knew anything about audio/lighting for all shows, assemblies, and the theatre in the auditorium, we got away with a lot of stuff most kids wouldn't. We would always stay unsupervised, doing stuff that could get us injured or killed. Yes, we did things that were dangerous that we really shouldn't have been doing even with supervision. Like climbing poles to hang theatrical equipment. That was a fun one. A 20 foot drop into a 540 seat auditorium with maybe a couple of feet to land in a clear area if you fell (which I did end up doing once). Another favorite was playing with electricity there. Having to deal with 800 Amps and 96,000 Watts of power on a 3-phase system to do all the lighting designs and the like for shows was interesting. All unsupervised. Oh how much fun we had.

Are you going to say the same thing when you get a job that requires you to wear/display your ID card anytime you step foot onto their property?

yes. there are other ways to limit access without making people wear photo IDs, and almost no company has any real reason to use any of them. bosses, like any institution of power, will happily take away as much of your freedom and as many of your rights as they can get away with. nobody should ever let them get away with any of it.

yes. there are other ways to limit access without making people wear photo IDs, and almost no company has any real reason to use any of them. bosses, like any institution of power, will happily take away as much of your freedom and as many of your rights as they can get away with. nobody should ever let them get away with any of it.

I agree, there are better ways to do it. Each way alone can only go so far. A combination of systems for security is definitely the way to go, at least if security is really a concern for you. Take a computer for example. We have many ways of securing them, but each one alone is useless for the most part. Firewalls are great for keeping people from accessing your computer or vice versa, but it doesn't stop downloaded viruses. Virus scanners are great for keeping viruses out, but that doesn't help with hackers. Encryption is also a big part of security, but even that can only go so far.

I guess the part where "bosses, like any institution of power, will happily take away as much of your freedom and as many of your rights as they can get away with" is just a matter of who you work for, and what their motive for these type of security concerns are for. No one has to agree with them.

Wow, my school doesn't have any of that security stuff. That's just fucking paranoid... and I thought it was bad that they have autodialer this year!

and they just might stop a bullet should your school get shot up. and you can use them to duck and cover in case of nuclear blast.
Of course not. You'd have to be stupid to think that. But they can be used for picking people who shouldn't be here.

Wow, my school doesn't have any of that security stuff. That's just fucking paranoid... and I thought it was bad that they have autodialer this year!

Paranoid? Depends on how far a school goes and a person's definition of "paranoid" is. It's also a matter of "reactive" vs. "proactive".

This should have included whether or not your school wears uniforms or not.
There was no room. I didn't think of it. and it has little to do with security.

which is why we made 'ID covers' out of black posterboard and distributed them to everybody
Interesting idea...

Besides, you're kids. You have practically no rights and I don't plan to give you any more.
If we have no rights, what were all those Progressives doing in the 20s? We have loads of rights. ACLU has a small booklet about it(available in PDF on their site).

It doesn't break any security or privacy rights. Are you going to say the same thing when you get a job that requires you to wear/display your ID card anytime you step foot onto their property? A lot of companies are starting to require ID badges/card just because it makes it easier to identify whether someone should or shouldn't be there. Also makes it easier to identify what type of employee they are, or if they are visiting temporarily.
You aren't arrested if you don't have a job. IF we don't go to school, we're arrested. Employees sign up for work. If they have a problem with it, they can quit. We can't quit so we have to protest in some form.

Paranoid? Depends on how far a school goes and a person's definition of "paranoid" is. It's also a matter of "reactive" vs. "proactive".

Hmph. Well, there's nothing to react to here, and indeed nothing to suggest a need for proactivity, so that would explain it... the autodialer is just to improve attendance, apparently we need 2% more on average to meet the district goal.

There was no room. I didn't think of it. and it has little to do with security.


Interesting idea...


If we have no rights, what were all those Progressives doing in the 20s? We have loads of rights. ACLU has a small booklet about it(available in PDF on their site).


You aren't arrested if you don't have a job. IF we don't go to school, we're arrested. Employees sign up for work. If they have a problem with it, they can quit. We can't quit so we have to protest in some form.

Protesting rights, certainly. But an ID card violating your civil rights? It's not likely a court would rule that as a violation of anything in the constitution.

Are you going to sue the government or protest that you need to carry a driver's license with you when you drive?

ID cards should be mandentory in all public schools. It is the easiest and most efficient way for school officials to know who you are.
If you have them in your school live with it and get used to it. IDs are a part of life.
I have to have a State ID (Drivers license). Law enforcement needs to know who I am if they stop me. Same goes for students in school.

ID cards should be mandentory in all public schools. It is the easiest and most efficient way for school officials to know who you are.
If you have them in your school live with it and get used to it. IDs are a part of life.
I have to have a State ID (Drivers license). Law enforcement needs to know who I am if they stop me. Same goes for students in school.
Protesting rights, certainly. But an ID card violating your civil rights? It's not likely a court would rule that as a violation of anything in the constitution.
They hire old shits(excuse me) to be security. Maybe if they hired intimidating 30-year-olds and expel obvious addicts and failures school violence would plummet.

Once again, you sign up for the license. You aren't forced to get one. We are forced to go to school and wear an ID. I am ok if you have to have it on your person and can be asked for it(with good reason). I might go along with flashing it at the door to get in, but once you are in, why do you need it?

They hire old shits(excuse me) to be security. Maybe if they hired intimidating 30-year-olds and expel obvious addicts and failures school violence would plummet.

Once again, you sign up for the license. You aren't forced to get one. We are forced to go to school and wear an ID.

Technically, you're not forced to. Technically you might choose not to wear it. You might get in trouble for it though.

Everything is a choice..

Edit: I'd like to compare these school ID's to SSN's, but I'm not sure if it's REQUIRED for you to have one to live here or not. I was born a citizen of the US, but I'm not too knowledgeable about citizenship laws.

We are forced to. We'd be dragged back in handcuffs.

At my high school the administration tried both my junior and senior years to make people wear ID badges "above the waistline," and they flat out failed because nobody wore them ( I guess teachers got tired of giving people warnings). It was an example of the majority winning, when the students outnumber the staff at least 20-1 and are united in their opinion it makes for a strong voice. At one point they even suggested closing the campus (for lunch hour, etc.), which really doesn't make sense since we were right next to downtown and our campus had two roads going through it. People mention badges at workplaces, that's fine WHEN THEY ARE PAYING YOU TO WEAR IT.

Edit: many people have talked about the badges identifying who doesn't belong, from what I've heard it's the psychotic people with grudges and guns who do belong there that you should be worried about.

We had uniforms, and ID cards - but the ID only had to be shown or request, generally for use on PT (Public Transport), Movies etc... No Cameras, no metal detectors - not even a security device in the library, Although i think they may have since installed some cameras in the notebook repair center/computer labs and adminstration block, but these, if they are there (it was discussed while i was at school), are only really for when the school is closed. At uni there are cards again but while you have to carry them they are not worn. At the place i wish to do postgrad stuff they have a policy of everyone wearing ID at all times, all visitors to be given temp ID and escorted everywhere (Its a research lab, dealing with infectious diseases and genetic manipulation so i think thats fair)

We are forced to. We'd be dragged back in handcuffs.

The worst they do to us is either make someone bring it to the school for you (if you forgot it), or give you some sort of punishment with each punishment worse after each offense.

Hmph. Well, there's nothing to react to here, and indeed nothing to suggest a need for proactivity, so that would explain it... the autodialer is just to improve attendance, apparently we need 2% more on average to meet the district goal.
Cardboard cutouts might work. Just prop 'em up in your seats. Voila. attendence is up...

...assuming you teachers are incompetent clods.

As was said before, simply don't wear them. My school tried this, and because simply no one wore them, they abandoned the policy before the quarter.

A streak of luck prevented them from bringing it back up next year--the district ran into financial emergencies and couldn't even afford to produce them.

A child, which is a person under 18 in the United States, does not have legal rights to privacy, unless said person is living on their own. Security cameras and searches and ID cards are a form of keeping the school safer. And no, no one knows who might be the next school-shooter. So the security stays. When you grow older you'll understand. It's for your own good. You'll be an adult one day, and have full responsibility, and then you'll have privacy rights.

A child, which is a person under 18 in the United States, does not have legal rights to privacy, unless said person is living on their own. Security cameras and searches and ID cards are a form of keeping the school safer. And no, no one knows who might be the next school-shooter. So the security stays. When you grow older you'll understand. It's for your own good. You'll be an adult one day, and have full responsibility, and then you'll have privacy rights.
I think ya had to much beer last night laddy. Minors have many rights. ACLU has fought years through dozens of cases for our rights. The Progressives from the early-1900s also established many rights for us, specifically labor. It is so easy to keep schools safe: there are kids who obviously have bad minds and could easily be expelled.

Jesus man. It's our ID card. Not a chain around our necks. You need it less often than non-minors who have ID cards/drivers licenses.

Actually, my High School forced us to wear 'em around our necks..heh.

*goes to read the rest of the topic now*

gosh i thankful i don't go to an american school - video cameras? We have ID cards because we asked for them. and I think there is new system for the library.

A child, which is a person under 18 in the United States, does not have legal rights to privacy, unless said person is living on their own. Security cameras and searches and ID cards are a form of keeping the school safer. And no, no one knows who might be the next school-shooter. So the security stays. When you grow older you'll understand. It's for your own good. You'll be an adult one day, and have full responsibility, and then you'll have privacy rights.

Sooooooo,........... my own good is: I can't eat, go to the library, or go to school without these? My school should have these! No one would be allowed in! Also, since we have no rights, that means people can kill kids and get away with it?

Judge: Hmmmmm, who did you murder?
Criminal: A thirteen-year-old, but you know since animals have no rights and neither do children, that legally makes them animals, and it is legal to kill animals, isn't it?
Judge: You're right! Next case.

Oh, yes you're wrong arn't you? You dug your-self into a fucking pit. Children have the rights to: Not be abused. Not be molested. In fact, as long as it is with in the confines of the law, and their legal guardian allows it, children can do it! Read up on the law.

A child, which is a person under 18 in the United States, does not have legal rights to privacy, unless said person is living on their own. Security cameras and searches and ID cards are a form of keeping the school safer. And no, no one knows who might be the next school-shooter. So the security stays. When you grow older you'll understand. It's for your own good. You'll be an adult one day, and have full responsibility, and then you'll have privacy rights.

So you can tell who the shooter was after the police shoot them dead and check their ID?

Kids, it's frankly not my problem. And as for the person who tried to compare what I said to saying that children aren't worth anything, go fuck yourself, kiddo.

My post clearly said what your legal rights are. Your parents have the final word. You have as much privacy as your parents allow you. They are your legal guardians until you are 18, and so what they say should be regarded as the final word.

If you happen to be one of those children who lives on their own because either they ran away, their legal guardians are dead, or you are emancipated, then you have all the privacy you want. Besides the right to do things only 18 and older Americans can do.

Anyways. Someone said earlier on this thread something like "I have a drivers license ID so the police can see who I am, you kids ought to as well", which I think sums up the purpose of a school ID card.

Don't like it? Tough. Grow up or shut up.

What's the big deal? The last three employers I worked for required the employees to wear ID while at work. One of the employers was the military where you could literally end up facing a loaded gun if you were not wearing your ID. Another employer was a post secondary trade school where students were not admitted to class without an ID. In my present job, I can't even get into any building in the company without my ID, as it is also an electronic key.

Plus, in a few years they will be installing cameras in classrooms.

Maybe not. In one school I taught in the union made them take them out. The teachers didn't want them pointing at them.

I go to a pretty lax school - no metal detectors, random bag searches, or rules stating we must wear our I.D.'s at all times. We don't even have security cameras (or, maybe I didn't notice them). The only reasons we even have I.D.'s (as far as I can tell) are to check out library books and to enter the library during our lunch period.

And we haven't had any security problems, fake bomb threats/fire alarms and vandalism aside, yet while I've been here...

My town always issues ID cards for grades 6 up for taking out library books. But this year, the high school(which I go to) has started a program effective Tuesday that all students must wear ID cards during the school day.

What do you think about this? Is it a good idea? Is it trampling on our civil rights? Is it another roll down the slippery slope? Does your school have a similar policy?

I think it is ridiculous that my school can't trust us. It is quite obvious which troublemakers require expulsion. I am scared that if somebody makes another bomb threat, they'll install metal detectors(there are already quite a few cameras). I think it is all just a waste of money when few teachers have "class sets" of books and many of us have to break our backs shleping them everywhere.

Please await poll. Please vote only once per category(1, 2, 3,...). I'm making your names public so you can be ostracized for ignoring this.

Welcome to the new Bushian police state!
Say, are they free as part of the school fees or you have pay for them separately?

We had student ID cards which were really only useful for getting student discounts and child fares on buses and trains.

We had student ID cards which were really only useful for getting student discounts and child fares on buses and trains.

Much the same in Australia. Students get public transport discounts - except university students who used to get it but not anymore.

1. I am not agianst ID cards. I am against public display of them.
2. Drivers licenses are fully optional unless you plan to drive.
3. Employees choose to work.
4. Children do have many privacy rights.

"Yes Reverend, you can have sex with Johhny tonight."
If Johnny doesn't want to, he doesn't have to.

My school has cameras in the halls and makes us wear ID cards whenever we're in the building, although most of us attach them to cargo pockets on our pants, so they're not too visible.

The ID thing is a joke among us seniors, since they've tried it every year, and it hasn't lasted more than a quarter.

When I was in School, I viewed ID cards as an ID card, nothing more. and we didn't have Metal Detectors either.
My town always issues ID cards for grades 6 up for taking out library books. But this year, the high school(which I go to) has started a program effective Tuesday that all students must wear ID cards during the school day.I can see it if they want to cut down on people sneaking into the school for reasons other than getting an education.

What do you think about this? Is it a good idea? Is it trampling on our civil rights? Is it another roll down the slippery slope? Does your school have a similar policy?and what rights is being taken away? do you oppose those lables that say "hello my name is" or those name tags employees sometimes wear? Perhaps they're encouraging students to know who their classmates are? If you appose name tags and ID's, then the Job Market will be slim pickings indeed.

I think it is ridiculous that my school can't trust us. It is quite obvious which troublemakers require expulsion. I am scared that if somebody makes another bomb threat, they'll install metal detectors(there are already quite a few cameras). I think it is all just a waste of money when few teachers have "class sets" of books and many of us have to break our backs shleping them everywhere.so you don't think safety is an issue? even after Colombine and other school shootings?
then blame it on the idiots who bring guns to school and ruin it for everyone else.

Please await poll. Please vote only once per category(1, 2, 3,...). I'm making your names public so you can be ostracized for ignoring this.Ignoring poll because I am no longer in school... but for the record, I had an ID, no name tag and no metal Detectors. however, we did have problems with suspended students sneaking back on campus to do nothing more than drink, shoot up, and mess around with friends.

1. I am not agianst ID cards. I am against public display of them.then you will have a hard time finding jobs, most jobs require id. especially this day and age where hacking is frequent.
2. Drivers licenses are fully optional unless you plan to drive.agreed but Credit Cards as well as Checks and even applying for some jobs do require a form of ID.
3. Employees choose to work.Unless you're filthy, stinking rich, people need to work or they won't get money to buy food, rent/morgage, pay bills...
4. Children do have many privacy rights.they have some privacy rights. not as much as adults, but they do have SOME privacy Rights.

then you will have a hard time finding jobs, most jobs require id. especially this day and age where hacking is frequent.

But jobs are optional. School is not optional until 16(at least here it's 16).

do you oppose those lables that say "hello my name is"

if i am coerced to wear them and they have my entire name, my photo, and my barcode number on them, then yes i do.

If you appose name tags and ID's, then the Job Market will be slim pickings indeed.

yeah, but we already knew the corporations were a bunch of fascist organizations. just because those fuckers do it doesn't mean they ought to.

so you don't think safety is an issue? even after Colombine and other school shootings?

not particularly. schools are as safe as they ever were. there have been an insignificant number of high profile events that all occured during a time when actual levels of violence in schools were declining dramatically.

and if people were really concerned about making schools safer instead of just using shows of authority and force to placate people's sensationalized fears, they would work on making schools a place where kids actually want to be by fostering a sense of community and tolerance. no frustrated kid ever felt better about his life and the lives of others by being forced into a prison-like environment.

(of course, schools are really all for shows of authority and random regulation and regimentation because that is their real purpose anyway. you're right, business have taken up the ID badge thing. so it is only natural that schools would begin forcing similar things on kids in order to fulfill their societal purpose of churning out broken human beings ready to be rammed through the capitalist machine. can't have an 'undisciplined' workforce, ya know)

But jobs are optional. School is not optional until 16(at least here it's 16).funny way of defining Optional. sure, you can be homeless...

and technically, school is optional, education is not, you can always look into homeschooling.

or district exceptions,

Or just dropping out. Of course, that one has the consiquences of having you hauled in by truant officers, so I guess you can raise hell and get Expelled, or go for your GED.

if i am coerced to wear them and they have my entire name, my photo, and my barcode number on them, then yes i do.trust me on this, more than likely, in the workforce you will be wearing the same thing.


yeah, but we already knew the corporations were a bunch of fascist organizations. just because those fuckers do it doesn't mean they ought to.Corporations, Government, Volunteer Organizations... wow, the pickings for future employment out side of those areas are really slim. Good luck.

not particularly. schools are as safe as they ever were. there have been an insignificant number of high profile events that all occured during a time when actual levels of violence in schools were declining dramatically.true, but it has happened, the question is, do you want it to happen again?

and if people were really concerned about making schools safer instead of just using shows of authority and force to placate people's sensationalized fears, they would work on making schools a place where kids actually want to be by fostering a sense of community and tolerance. no frustrated kid ever felt better about his life and the lives of others by being forced into a prison-like environment. for most schools I've visited and read about, they do try. It's just that, the community failed to hold up their end. the Parents insist on the schools holding all the responsibility. so if you don't like it, then mobilize the community and create that environment, then Maintain that envrionment. the Prision like atmosphere isn't the schools fault, but the community.

(of course, schools are really all for shows of authority and random regulation and regimentation because that is their real purpose anyway. you're right, business have taken up the ID badge thing. so it is only natural that schools would begin forcing similar things on kids in order to fulfill their societal purpose of churning out broken human beings ready to be rammed through the capitalist machine. can't have an 'undisciplined' workforce, ya know)isn't the cry of the High School student "we are just as good as Adults" don't all high school students want to be 'treated like adults' well, now you are. Congrats.

if Name badges irk you, and got you riled up when there are more important issues at stake then perhaps your focus is on the wrong thing.

When I worked in a media corporation in Manhattan, I had to wear an ID card.

In the first school I worked in, I had to wear an ID card.

In the college I went to , I had to wear an ID card.

In the school I presently work in, all substitute teachers must wear ID cards, as must all visitors were honking bright "VISITOR" badges.


I don't see what the big deal is. Some buildings you enter require you to wear ID cards to make sure you are authorized to be there.

trust me on this, more than likely, in the workforce you will be wearing the same thing.

Corporations, Government, Volunteer Organizations... wow, the pickings for future employment out side of those areas are really slim. Good luck.

already in the workforce (halfway, anyway) and have been avoiding the fascists as best as i can. currently working on a project to ensure that ability for myself and others for the foreseeable future. not because of ID cards alone, of course, but the objection is part and parcel of a wider critique.

true, but it has happened, the question is, do you want it to happen again?

no. now tell me how an ID card could ever stop someone who was dead set on shooting up a school.

"excuse me, can i see you ID?"
"no"
blam blam blam

or

"excuse me, can i see you ID?"
"sure, because like every school shooter thus far i am a student in good standing at this educational institution and am actually required by law to be here"
blam blam blam

if Name badges irk you, and got you riled up when there are more important issues at stake then perhaps your focus is on the wrong thing.

a person can fight more than one battle at a time you know. our anti-ID badge campaign was what got me my start on direct action tactics though, which has been put to good effect in other causes since.

Hell, I don't even think anyone's watching the video footage from the cameras in our school. They are only at two places.

Ones for watching the vending machines in the main area of the school to make sure no one is beating down the CAGED machines so they get free soda/food. Though...who watches those things for 7 hours out of the day?

The others for watching the parking lot and making sure no one vandalizes or steals any cars of students. Which is completely justified. Just that I haven't seen these cameras they say they have there and I still doubt anyone watches these things all day.

theres a rumor going around my school that everything, computer log in, snack mechines, library, lunch room, ECT. will need ID cards, not to mention having to swipe them through a reader when you enter class...

already in the workforce (halfway, anyway) and have been avoiding the fascists as best as i can. currently working on a project to ensure that ability for myself and others for the foreseeable future. not because of ID cards alone, of course, but the objection is part and parcel of a wider critique.wish you luck on that project then.



no. now tell me how an ID card could ever stop someone who was dead set on shooting up a school.

"excuse me, can i see you ID?"
"no"
blam blam blam

or

"excuse me, can i see you ID?"
"sure, because like every school shooter thus far i am a student in good standing at this educational institution and am actually required by law to be here"
blam blam blam
that argument was for the comment about Metal Detectors.


a person can fight more than one battle at a time you know. our anti-ID badge campaign was what got me my start on direct action tactics though, which has been put to good effect in other causes since.that's great, I wish thee luck.

They say that they like you to keep your ID with you but you only need it to take out library books. Although they're talking about switching our lunch accout system to cards rather than numbers because people forget theirs, although one's picture pops up with the numbers. My current picture is causing a close inspection between me and the picture (it's carried over from last year), as in my last year's picture I have long hair and now I have a mohawk. We also have cameras but the only one that's watched is the one by the front of our school, although if something happens they check the others.

that argument was for the comment about Metal Detectors..

i'm not sure i believe that metal detectors will do much either. metal detectors my be useful for preventing people from smuggling in a gun to use later (hijacking a plane, for example), but are of no use against someone set on shooting up the place now.

"step through the metal detector please"
"sure thing"
beep
"do you have any keys or change in your pockets?"
"maybe, let me check..."
blam blam blam

Sooooooo,........... my own good is: I can't eat, go to the library, or go to school without these? My school should have these! No one would be allowed in! Also, since we have no rights, that means people can kill kids and get away with it?

Judge: Hmmmmm, who did you murder?
Criminal: A thirteen-year-old, but you know since animals have no rights and neither do children, that legally makes them animals, and it is legal to kill animals, isn't it?
Judge: You're right! Next case.

Oh, yes you're wrong arn't you? You dug your-self into a fucking pit. Children have the rights to: Not be abused. Not be molested. In fact, as long as it is with in the confines of the law, and their legal guardian allows it, children can do it! Read up on the law.
He said "children don't have a right to privacy". Read the post before you you stick your foot up your ass next time.

i'm not sure i believe that metal detectors will do much either. metal detectors my be useful for preventing people from smuggling in a gun to use later (hijacking a plane, for example), but are of no use against someone set on shooting up the place now.

"step through the metal detector please"
"sure thing"
beep
"do you have any keys or change in your pockets?"
"maybe, let me check..."
blam blam blamtry it at the airport, and see if the same scenairo works, since I believe there are people watching the metal detectors at the school too.

try it at the airport, and see if the same scenairo works, since I believe there are people watching the metal detectors at the school too.

actually, there is a key difference. airports are full of rather heavily armed security. most schools with metal detectors aren't. - perhaps two or three armed cops for the entire school, if that. my old high school just got one. the people manning the metal detectors are the same people manning the hallways asking to see your ID, mostly paraprofessionals. and even with airport level security, you'll likely get off at least a few shots before anyone can respond.

almost all of these school safety measures are essentialy non-responses and distractions from real solutions to real problems (and are largely being put into place in schools that don't even have those problems in the first place).

actually, there is a key difference. airports are full of rather heavily armed security. most schools with metal detectors aren't. - perhaps two or three armed cops for the entire school, if that. my old high school just got one. the people manning the metal detectors are the same people manning the hallways asking to see your ID, mostly paraprofessionals. and even with airport level security, you'll likely get off at least a few shots before anyone can respond.

almost all of these school safety measures are essentialy non-responses and distractions from real solutions to real problems (and are largely being put into place in schools that don't even have those problems in the first place).actually, most of those seem more to ease the parents then anything else.

1. I am not agianst ID cards. I am against public display of them.
2. Drivers licenses are fully optional unless you plan to drive.
3. Employees choose to work.
4. Children do have many privacy rights.

"Yes Reverend, you can have sex with Johhny tonight."
If Johnny doesn't want to, he doesn't have to.

I think I understand the initial shock of the children who read my post. Apparently, you kids don't understand the meaning of a privacy right and a right. A right is a legal right, while privacy rights are defined rights pertaining to privacy. A child has as much privacy as their parents or school allows them to. For example, a 17 year old high school student does not have the right to resist a drug search. That same child does not have the right to stop their parents from searching their room for drugs is there is some sort of reasonable suspicion. However, at 18, you could certainly resist such attempts, as long as they aren't done by the governmental authorities.

Edit: One more thing... how moronic. Being molested has nothing to do with privacy rights.

...they have some privacy rights. not as much as adults, but they do have SOME privacy Rights.

They have as much privacy as their legal guardians allow them.

We need them for FOOD now....that's just wrong.
what r u living in prison thats bullshit all i need for food is a $1.60

actually, there is a key difference. airports are full of rather heavily armed security. most schools with metal detectors aren't. - perhaps two or three armed cops for the entire school, if that. my old high school just got one. the people manning the metal detectors are the same people manning the hallways asking to see your ID, mostly paraprofessionals. and even with airport level security, you'll likely get off at least a few shots before anyone can respond.

almost all of these school safety measures are essentialy non-responses and distractions from real solutions to real problems (and are largely being put into place in schools that don't even have those problems in the first place).
my school used to have an armed cop but they took his gun away after he shot his own foot with it :D

They have as much privacy as their legal guardians allow them.well, that is some... :D

I think I understand the initial shock of the children who read my post. Apparently, you kids don't understand the meaning of a privacy right and a right. A right is a legal right, while privacy rights are defined rights pertaining to privacy. A child has as much privacy as their parents or school allows them to. For example, a 17 year old high school student does not have the right to resist a drug search. That same child does not have the right to stop their parents from searching their room for drugs is there is some sort of reasonable suspicion. However, at 18, you could certainly resist such attempts, as long as they aren't done by the governmental authorities.

Edit: One more thing... how moronic. Being molested has nothing to do with privacy rights.

A student can resist a drugsearch if their parent says so. Parents almost always override school except on serious legal issues.

My school had none of those...

Trampling your civil rights???? I swear I'm going to scream if I hear one more non-working, non-tax paying, non-voting, non-legally responsible teenager whining about their supposed "civil rights".

I hate to tell you this, but once you grow up you will have a very good chance at being required to wear an ID card by your employer. My husband wears one every day as do millions of other workers in the US.

Also, one of the main reason many schools are requiring them is for the safety of the STUDENTS - it makes it very easy to recognize anyone who is not a student and does not belong there.

They also make it much less likely that you will be blamed for something another student was seen doing.

Get over it!

simple question, if your school does not have id cards or cameras or any other crap like that, does it have a uniform?

I swear I'm going to scream if I hear one more non-working, non-tax paying, non-voting, non-legally responsible teenager whining about their supposed "civil rights".

how about if it comes from a working, tax-paying (of course, anybody that ever buys anything pays taxes, as do any teenagers that recieve even minimal paychecks), voting (but only because there is just something fun about voting nader in a swing state), and fully 'legal' adult?

I hate to tell you this, but once you grow up you will have a very good chance at being required to wear an ID card by your employer. My husband wears one every day as do millions of other workers in the US.

so? employers engage in all sorts of practices that violate civil rights. they can fire you for expressing speech that is completely protected under the constitution, even if it occurs outside of the workplace on your off-time. "because the capitalists do it" is about the sorriest excuse for any action ever

there are kids who obviously have bad minds and could easily be expelled.

So you would deprive someone of an education because you can tell by looking at them that they are 'bad'.

Tell that to the victims of Dennis Rader -- you know, the church-going, helpful, nice man who over a period of thirty years terrorized Witchita by cutting people's phone lines, invading their homes, binding, torturing and killing them. Because obviously, if HE was so bad, people should have been able to tell it by looking at him.

What is the big deal? So you show the card if you're not where you're supposed to be, so school officials know who you are. So you show it to gain entrance into the building. I know students who wander the halls, then make a huge deal about showing their program -- which of course shows they are cutting. They are often the loudest in their howls of protest that their rights are being violated.

So you would deprive someone of an education because you can tell by looking at them that they are 'bad'.

Tell that to the victims of Dennis Rader -- you know, the church-going, helpful, nice man who over a period of thirty years terrorized Witchita by cutting people's phone lines, invading their homes, binding, torturing and killing them. Because obviously, if HE was so bad, people should have been able to tell it by looking at him.

What is the big deal? So you show the card if you're not where you're supposed to be, so school officials know who you are. So you show it to gain entrance into the building. I know students who wander the halls, then make a huge deal about showing their program -- which of course shows they are cutting. They are often the loudest in their howls of protest that their rights are being violated.
1. I know several people who are lazy bastards who never do their homework and get Fs or close to that every year and somehow they are promoted year after year.
2. That guy was a genius, a bad one, but nonetheless a genius.
3. I am all for carrying them with you. I just don't think it is right that it has to be visible. Are you made to wear your driver's license on a necklace?

I hate to tell you this, but once you grow up you will have a very good chance at being required to wear an ID card by your employer. My husband wears one every day as do millions of other workers in the US.

Also, one of the main reason many schools are requiring them is for the safety of the STUDENTS - it makes it very easy to recognize anyone who is not a student and does not belong there.
1. In Mongolia, they use passports, if anything.
2. So that big, tall bearded man with white hair is easily mistaken for a student?

High school is supposed to help prepare you for life in society as an adult. As an adult you will be subjected to rules, employer dress codes and etc. I get very tired of hearing under 18 teenagers complaining about things that adults have to deal with every day. For example:

1. dresscodes - all employers have dress codes, some are more lax than others but all have them.
2. locker searches - just as my desk at the office does not belong to me and is therefore subject to search by my employer at any time, your locker does not belong to you, it belongs to your school and they have the right to search it.
3. student IDs - many workplaces have them too, get used to it.

Life is what it is and sometimes reality bites. Once you reach the high school level, it is time to start accustoming yourself to these facts. I do not believe it is healthy for the 14 to 17 crowd to continue living in a little fantasy world where you get to do whatever you want because that is NOT the world you will be living in once you graduate.

And in response to whoever said "what about teens who work, pay taxes and vote" - that means you are over 18 and not the target of my comment.

Wow that sucks when we had them they were so lax on the security of them we could put random names on them. :cool:

Wow that sucks when we had them they were so lax on the security of them we could put random names on them. :cool:
I am going to conduct a study about how to go about doing that. It seems quite easy to order our low-tech card online.

To other person above him:
Mandatory ID cards make no sense. They would not stop Columbine and might slow Beslan at best.

This has nothing to do with uniforms and dress codes. Although since, it seems to have been added...I agree with dress codes. If uniforms were put up to vote, I would probably vote for them as long as they were broad enough to allow different shades and a few styles. A straightforward type...I'd have to think about it.

Many workplaces do not have ID cards. If we have to wear our IDs, I think adults should have to wear their license or other ID around their neck .We've always been treated as second-class citizens(except when the ship is sinking).