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Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?

Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?
It says they don't know who performed the first heart transplant operation.

I think people like celebs because it gives us all something in common. People like to gossip and almost everyone knows Paris Hilton while few people know that crazy woman down the street.

Why do americans love the celebrity culture?

Because we don't have royalty.

For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?


'Christiaan Barnard'.

Bah, I'm American and I don't get americans at times.

I think it's because we're a marketing/consuming culture. We need inconsequential things to buy and inconsequentiual people to tell us what to buy.
Also, I think our News now covers celebrities more that real news because it's cheaper to do a story on Brad Pitt than it is to do a story on Zimbabwe.

Really, it's all a reflection of our dollar first and last culture.

'Christiaan Barnard'.
quite right, was writting it without checking the right way.

quite right, was writting it without checking the right way.

The irony is that your spelling of 'Paris Hilton' was perfect.

The irony is that your spelling of 'Paris Hilton' was perfect.

Great, the guy complaining about celebrity culture is consumed by it. Now you've gone and depressed me all to hell.

EDIT: No longer depressed as this is my 111th post! Go me!

To be fair, I don't think it's just Americans; you only have to look at magazines on sale here to see that celebrity is considered a massive part of our culture. However, I don't know why myself. I really couldn't care less what celebrities are up to. I would be much more interested in 'real' issues, and in people who have earned a name for themselves through doing something worthwhile / useful. I think that most celebrities don't fall into this category, though there are exceptions. Each to their own though - so long as they're really interested in it, and not just doing it because everyone else seems to.

Entertainment media is there to distract us from ourselves. It's pure escapism, so that we don't get bored from our own meaningless existence.

I don't think it's an american thing at all.

Europeans are into celebs as well (beckham parfume anyone?), Japan has celebs as well.

I think it has something to do with the illusion or hope to become famous yourself. When you see how easy it is to become really rich and famous without really being able to do anything brilliant (like being the first heart surgeon), you can tell yourself "hey maybe with enough luck i can become a rich and indepent actor without any problems."


Also there are ppl getting famous for doing real stuff. The dude that invented the phone for example: Graham Phone*. :) Newton, Edison, Noble, Einstein.






*) I know it's Bell.

Because it will come up sooner or later.... I blame Bush. :p

Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?
Um ... I'm an American, and I would love to see Hollywierd and all the so-called "celebrities" disappear off the face of the earth.

Why do some people focuse on celebrities? Because they have small minds and can't focus on ideas? ( shrug )

I assure you completely, as a Japanese person living in Tokyo, that as horribly idiotic and mindless our celeb culture is, it is nowhere near the fanatical worshipping in America. Whenever I go to the states I get spooked.

Media bombardment.
If the public shows an interest in anything, the media runs it into the dirt until the masses are sick of it.

Media bombardment.
If the public shows an interest in anything, the media runs it into the dirt until the masses are sick of it.

Exactly. I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 12 who admires Paris Hilton, Britney Spears or any member of a boy band.

This doesn't speak directly to the point but celebrity is a strange thing. People with no talent to speak of are famous because they are on you TV, in news papers, and magazines. What I wonder is, how did they get on TV, ect.? What interested anyone in the to begin with? Even atheletes, for every Terrell Owens or Beckham or Shaquille O'Neal there are dozens and hundreds of pro atheletes who none of us know thier names. It seems to me that the way to become a celebrity is to well, be a celebrity. I mean, there is no real skill or talent involved.

its self perpetuating precisely because celebrities make money... so companies want celebrities be it to sell their new type of soda drink thingy, or to sell their magazines. because celebrites sell magazines, the magazines make people famous

why do we pander to celebrity culture? because we're all morons, duuuuh :rolleyes:

The whole US pop culture to me is a sewer line that comes into my house. I am proud to say I dont watch reality shows, cant tell the difference between paris hilton or a prostitute and that i dont have cable.

Its a shame that most people know who won last season's american idol but dont know who stalin or hitler were. When people arent educate in the atleast the past 100 years of history with just the most basic of background knowledge they become useful idiots for dubious politicians...

To be fair, I don't think it's just Americans; you only have to look at magazines on sale here to see that celebrity is considered a massive part of our culture.

I dont know where "here" is for you but if its Britain, I have to say that in terms of news coverage its much better here than it is in America. When I spent time there, their news programs were actually quite dedicated to the celebraty stories as being the headline events. I cant ever imagine Hew Edwards having talking about any story about Paris Hitlon seriously

I think the reason people focus on celebrities is the same reason other people spend their spare time reading Sci-Fi and Fantasy non-stop, or playing sports. It's escapism (I hope I'm using this term correctly).Almost every body spends a small amount of time focusing on something other than their own life. My class-mates gossip about the lives of the rich and famous, I immerse myself in stories of aliens. Which is stranger?

Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?

It is not the Americans only. I can assure you that it is in the UK as well. Sadly it is starting to get as bad in France now that the press is okay to intrude on people's private lives.

I'm American and I certainly dont "love celebrity culture". I am entertained by celebrities, but thats it. I dont care what they do in their personal lives and I'm not terribly interested in their opinions.
There are a handful of actors,actresses, musicians,writers and atheletes whose work I admire, but beyond that, I'm not interested.
They are just people doing a job that I dont find very important-entertaining, yes.

I have more respect and admiration for the people that work to protect and save lives, teach and build, research and create the things we NEED to live the way we are accustomed to.

People watch it because they like to dream about being a star themselves. All these stupid reality shows have made it even easier to achieve their '15 minutes of fame'. And Americans are mostly obssessed by it.

Fame and fortune......who doesn't want that?

Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?

1: Socialites? Ugh. I've always hated the attention-grabbing people.

2: I don't watch that shit.

3: I like football players who are good at what they do. It's a difficult sport, and these people deserve some recognition. Celebrity status? No. I still don't know why they get it.

4: I'll say this: The average American isn't very intelligent.

I dont know where "here" is for you but if its Britain, I have to say that in terms of news coverage its much better here than it is in America. When I spent time there, their news programs were actually quite dedicated to the celebraty stories as being the headline events. I cant ever imagine Hew Edwards having talking about any story about Paris Hitlon seriouslyYes, 'here' is the UK (or Ireland depending on your political persuasion). I take your point - I've spent some time in America myself, but hardly ever watched TV so couldn't comment on that aspect of the culture there. I can't remember offhand what the newsagents or equivalent were like there, but my point was that things like OK!, Hello and such like tend to infest our paper shops so much here. Perhaps it's not as bad as in the States, but it's still very much part of British culture.

The irony is that your spelling of 'Paris Hilton' was perfect.
My god, you caught me! I have a private stash of hundreds of "People"magazine issues ans spanish "Hola" magazines under my matress...

Who is this Paris Hilton you all keep harping on about?

I don't really watch televison, I listen to Radio 4 mostly, so I'm more of less completly insulated from the "celebrity culture".
Although what I have seen and heared of it, most of them are famous for something that is almost impossible to pin-down. I just don't see the point in the celebrity bit. Ok so actors and sports players will tend to be well known, but can you say the same for a politician? How many MP's (Britain) or Members of Congress (America) or whatever can be called celebrities, and yet they are just as well known as many actors or sports persons.

I assure you completely, as a Japanese person living in Tokyo, that as horribly idiotic and mindless our celeb culture is, it is nowhere near the fanatical worshipping in America. Whenever I go to the states I get spooked.
Why do you "get spooked" when you visit the US? Just curious.

I don't have a TV, but the rest of america does, and I blame it's inventor (choose your favorite, several claim the contraption as theirs) for the idiocy of the people. I also blame mob psychology. And I've been around a bit, America is no worse off than any other country, it's just that the places that tourists tend to visit are the hot spots of celebrity worship. So before you go blaming faulty presidents, try thinking of it as a reaction to a lack of happy news. (You may say that you want to know what's going on in the world, but would you watch the news if it depressed you every single day?)

Um ... I'm an American, and I would love to see Hollywierd and all the so-called "celebrities" disappear off the face of the earth.

Movies sure would suck, then. Someone, somewhere decided to take actors off of television and look what happened ... do you really want films to go the way of Survivor and Big Brother and other "reality" shows?

*shudder*

Movies sure would suck, then. Someone, somewhere decided to take actors off of television and look what happened ... do you really want films to go the way of Survivor and Big Brother and other "reality" shows?

*shudder*
No. IMHO they all suck!

Socialites, reality shows contestants, football players...they seem to capture much of the attention of the american public (and also other countrie´s). Why does this happen? Why does a Utah´s housewife get so enthraled by the life of a heiress in Bel Air? In today´s societies, one achieves notoriety simply by getting enough press coverage or does one still have to do it the hard-way: perform some kind of sevice to the community? For instance, a South-African surgeon named Cristian Barnard performed the first heart transplant in the 60´s. How many teenagers know his name, as opposed to Paris Hilton? Does this say something of american and western societies?The Western societies bit is the real thing. This isn't limited to the United States.

I don't have a TV, but the rest of america does, and I blame it's inventor (choose your favorite, several claim the contraption as theirs) for the idiocy of the people. I also blame mob psychology. And I've been around a bit, America is no worse off than any other country, it's just that the places that tourists tend to visit are the hot spots of celebrity worship. So before you go blaming faulty presidents, try thinking of it as a reaction to a lack of happy news. (You may say that you want to know what's going on in the world, but would you watch the news if it depressed you every single day?)
I have often visited the States, and sometime I search the television channels for news outside the American situation... Usually nothing, in an entire hour long news program it's all "And today in Utah...Today in Washington DC" etc etc ad infinitum. Very occasionally I might come across the war in Iraq, but even that seems hard to find.

No. IMHO they all suck!

All films in the history of film making have sucked? Wow, Eut ... pretty strong words.

No. IMHO they all suck!
Seconded. The sooner so-called "reality" tv programs are removed the better.

All films in the history of film making have sucked? Wow, Eut ... pretty strong words.
Uh ... noooo. Only since about the mid-60s, when the BabyBoomers began to influence movies. They suck, so the movies began to suck.

Seconded. The sooner so-called "reality" tv programs are removed the better.

Yeah ... but in order to do that, we have to get regular folks off of television and put celebrities back on there. So, if you don't like celebrities, you're stuck with "Joe Millionaire".

Uh ... noooo. Only since about the mid-60s, when the BabyBoomers began to influence movies. They suck, so the movies began to suck.

So ... your kids and grandkids suck? Wait ... you're a Baby Boomer ... you suck? :p

Come now ... some amazing films have been made since the 60s. Contact, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, A Beautiful Mind, Gattaca, A Few Good Men, and so on.

Yeah ... but in order to do that, we have to get regular folks off of television and put celebrities back on there. So, if you don't like celebrities, you're stuck with "Joe Millionaire".
On the other hand people could do something other than watch TV for four hours a day. I also think in regard to "celebrities" that they are just ordinary people who seem to get away with more because a whole load of people who seem to have had their brains surgically removed like to read about their private lives and who they are dating.
Of course I know this will never happen, but since I only get four channels in my house, and generally watch less than 5 hours per week (and that's a lot as far as I'm concerned) it is not a major problem for me. I just think that the whole "celebrity culture" is rather OTT, and really quite stupid.

So ... your kids and grandkids suck? Wait ... you're a Baby Boomer ... you suck? :p

Come now ... some amazing films have been made since the 60s. Contact, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, A Beautiful Mind, Gattaca, A Few Good Men, and so on.
A few dozen out of several thousand... well thats a pretty poor lot in my opinion.

On the other hand people could do something other than watch TV for four hours a day.

Oh I agree ... there's always internet porn.


I also think in regard to "celebrities" that they are just ordinary people who seem to get away with more because a whole load of people who seem to have had their brains surgically removed like to read about their private lives and who they are dating.

Not exactly. Usually it's an ordinary person with a modest talent who spends years in school, honing their art, doing crappy commercials or cheesy soap operas or bad backstreet plays, and then suddenly one day get picked by some casting director to make a film that happens to gain wild popularity, so suddenly this ordinary person has to tell Barbara Walters what they eat for breakfast on Wednesdays.

A few dozen out of several thousand... well thats a pretty poor lot in my opinion.

For every "Casablanca", there are 100 "The Blob". It's always been that way.

Oh I agree ... there's always internet porn.
Well not exactly my cup of tea, but if that's what your into than fine.


Not exactly. Usually it's an ordinary person with a modest talent who spends years in school, honing their art, doing crappy commercials or cheesy soap operas or bad backstreet plays, and then suddenly one day get picked by some casting director to make a film that happens to gain wild popularity, so suddenly this ordinary person has to tell Barbara Walters what they eat for breakfast on Wednesdays.
Well I'm sure there are a few people who get where they are through hard work. I wasn't arguing against that, I was simply saying that it is a bit of a silly proposition to have this celebrity status that applies to some but not to others. ie: Actors are celebrities but politicians are not, and yet they do more work (generally) and actually do something that helps people.

For every "Casablanca", there are 100 "The Blob". It's always been that way.
Too true.

Well I'm sure there are a few people who get where they are through hard work. I wasn't arguing against that, I was simply saying that it is a bit of a silly proposition to have this celebrity status that applies to some but not to others. ie: Actors are celebrities but politicians are not, and yet they do more work (generally) and actually do something that helps people.

True ... now in the case of Paris Hilton, she got famous for basically nothing. I don't think it takes much training to flash your crotch in public. Maybe I'm wrong.

Politicians not celebrities? Ah hell ... we watch them more closely than anyone. Every move they make, every word they say, every little thing they do, we cling to like ugly on Janet Reno. I can't tell you the number of times I've turned on the TV just to see some Senator out for a jog or the President petting his dog.

Too true.
But that's how the free market works. You can always resort to a Communist Dictatorship and only watch patriotic films all day long if you hate it too much :p

Uh ... noooo. Only since about the mid-60s, when the BabyBoomers began to influence movies. They suck, so the movies began to suck.


wow-there IS a lot of sucking going on-so many people sucking-I feel like I'm missing out.

Too true.

Sad ain't it? But, like any business, films are about making money. Films like "Dude, Where's My Car" sadly make more money than a true work of art like "Howard's End" or "Miller's Crossing".

True ... now in the case of Paris Hilton, she got famous for basically nothing. I don't think it takes much training to flash your crotch in public. Maybe I'm wrong.

Politicians not celebrities? Ah hell ... we watch them more closely than anyone. Every move they make, every word they say, every little thing they do, we cling to like ugly on Janet Reno. I can't tell you the number of times I've turned on the TV just to see some Senator out for a jog or the President petting his dog.
Well maybe, but how many politicians do you see in the pages of OK or Hello or whatever these mags are. How many are on popular gossip programs (excepting when they are having a massive affair)?

And who is this Paris Hilton??!

Sad ain't it? But, like any business, films are about making money. Films like "Dude, Where's My Car" sadly make more money than a true work of art like "Howard's End" or "Miller's Crossing".It's different in Germany. German made movies don't make it to the cinemas unless there's a lot of effort behind it, while the cheap teeny bopper movies are usually made by the commercial channels to fill their prime time programs.

And who is this Paris Hilton??!
She's the daughte of the guy that started the Hilton hotels. She's basically famous for being born with money instead of brains.

And who is this Paris Hilton??!

Trust fund baby, model, and star of homemade porn.

She's the daughte of the guy that started the Hilton hotels. She's basically famous for being born with money instead of brains.
Oh I see. So shes a rich bint who spends a lot of time preening herself.

Some may argue that celebrity culture became such a symbol of our times because tv plays such a significant role in our society and homogeneizes (dont know if that word even exists in current english) everyone´s tastes...and since tv stations have to set their programing in total obedience to the tastes and will of the majority-that is, the middle class-then it is only logical that something as celebrity culture comes on top of the nation´s preference...i mean, wasn´t Thoma´s Man that said that the middle-class is the burial ground of mediocrity?(random pretentious highbrow moment..dont even know if thats right)

Oh I see. So shes a rich bint who spends a lot of time preening herself.Actually, she became famous throught the series "Simple Life" with another rich girl where they got put in situations where they had to actually work (like on a farm). That's how she became famous.

homogeneizes (dont know if that word even exists in current english)

Yes, it does. It's just that it is not exactly overused.

Actually, she became famous throught the series "Simple Life" with another rich girl where they got put in situations where they had to actually work (like on a farm). That's how she became famous.
Oh I see. So who won last years Big Brother?
And what was Frank Crowe famous for?
What has Jordan done to achieve celebrity?

Actually, she became famous throught the series "Simple Life" with another rich girl where they got put in situations where they had to actually work (like on a farm). That's how she became famous.

Actually, she was in the films "Sweetie Pie", "Nine Lives", "QIK2JDG" (short), "Zoolander" and "L.A. Knights" before doing "Simple Life".

One of the things that as always troubled me with this issue is that tv specially promotes celebrity culture and when some say that such a practice brutalizes the viewers, tv people say that its what the public wants is what the public gets...is it indeed true that most tv viwers want to see hotel heiresses cleaning horse dung in some farm?

<snip>..and since tv stations have to set their programing in total obedience to the tastes and will of the majority-<snip>Whereupon I add another "thank goodness I live in Germany". We have public channels that don't entirely rely on ratings and the amount of money they get for commercials thereafter. Part of the "mandate" of these channels is to ensure that minorities' tastes are catered for too (especially radio broadcasts). The fact that there's a special tax on being able to receive broadcasts that funds these channels ensures a bit of diversity on the German television market (though we have plenty of horrific shows to make up for it).

Actually, she was in the films "Sweetie Pie", "Nine Lives", "QIK2JDG" (short), "Zoolander" and "L.A. Knights" before doing "Simple Life".And before the "Simple Life", I've never heard of her. "Simple Life" was one of those series that you just can't escape hearing about unless you throw your television out of the window.

Whereupon I add another "thank goodness I live in Germany". We have public channels that don't entirely rely on ratings and the amount of money they get for commercials thereafter. Part of the "mandate" of these channels is to ensure that minorities' tastes are catered for too (especially radio broadcasts). The fact that there's a special tax on being able to receive broadcasts that funds these channels ensures a bit of diversity on the German television market (though we have plenty of horrific shows to make up for it).
I know what you mean. OK so I'm in Britain, so a slight difference there.
Why do you think I mostly listen to Radio 4? It's because it does cater for things other than popular celebrities etc, and it has not adverts (THANK GOD!).

Whereupon I add another "thank goodness I live in Germany". We have public channels that don't entirely rely on ratings and the amount of money they get for commercials thereafter. Part of the "mandate" of these channels is to ensure that minorities' tastes are catered for too (especially radio broadcasts). The fact that there's a special tax on being able to receive broadcasts that funds these channels ensures a bit of diversity on the German television market (though we have plenty of horrific shows to make up for it).
Well i live in Portugal, we too have public tv channels and get a massive onslaught of inane gameshows all day long...i suppose thats another thing we have to envy the germans for.

And before the "Simple Life", I've never heard of her. "Simple Life" was one of those series that you just can't escape hearing about unless you throw your television out of the window.

Heh ... well she was a reasonably famous model prior to getting into films. Modelling+being born a Hilton is what made her famous, her now famous homemade porn and "Simple Life" is what's made her a "superstar".

And before the "Simple Life", I've never heard of her. "Simple Life" was one of those series that you just can't escape hearing about unless you throw your television out of the window.
I've never heard of it, and last time I checked my television had not been defenestrated.

Well i live in Portugal, we too have public tv channels and get a massive onslaught of inane gameshows all day long...i suppose thats another thing we have to envy the germans for.
Well you have RTP 1 and 2 and SIC is a bit like the British ITV. I suppose that if you watch the gameshows (which if I recall correctly always seem to be cheap rip-offs of American/British/Japanese gameshows) it could get rather boring and/or annoying beyond belief.

I know what you mean. OK so I'm in Britain, so a slight difference there.
Why do you think I mostly listen to Radio 4? It's because it does cater for things other than popular celebrities etc, and it has not adverts (THANK GOD!).Yeah, I actually don't listen to any radio anymore (only reason I would is because of music and I have plenty of that on my computer, advert free). The big difference between the commercial and public channels is where they get their money from and that has a big effect on the news programs. I haven't seen a commercial news program at the time of 20:00 to 20:15 in years because they're absolute crap. I sometimes get little tidbits of them when I skip the weather to make sure I can see a series or movie on time and what I've seen is horrific: RTL 2 was showing a little bit on the new season of "Andromeda" which coincidentally airs on that channel...

Hell I don't. I can't stand the celebrity culture and I don't get why celebrities go to foreign nations as unofficial US ambassadors. Man if I were a foreign country I would throw them out before they got there.

Hell I don't. I can't stand the celebrity culture and I don't get why celebrities go to foreign nations as unofficial US ambassadors. Man if I were a foreign country I would throw them out before they got there.

Well you have RTP 1 and 2 and SIC is a bit like the British ITV. I suppose that if you watch the gameshows (which if I recall correctly always seem to be cheap rip-offs of American/British/Japanese gameshows) it could get rather boring and/or annoying beyond belief.
RTP 2 s a sort of oasis in the general dung pile...SIC has a morning show which would make Regis pale in comparison, and brazilain soap operas till 8 PM, followd by a news magazine, and from 9 PM to 12:30 PM they push another couple of soap operas...if youy get lucky, you can watch a CSI:Miami episode at 1 AM...and yes the gameshows are simply adaptations of foreign formats...our tv people stoop to the point of paying for other countries´s refuse.

Hell I don't. I can't stand the celebrity culture and I don't get why celebrities go to foreign nations as unofficial US ambassadors. Man if I were a foreign country I would throw them out before they got there.If you were a foreign country, you probably wouldn't have an American mentality ;)

If you were a foreign country, you probably wouldn't have an American mentality ;)
Well, one should be fair...celebrity culture doesnt aflict just the americans...every european country had its Big Brother where contestants were made demigods by their audiences...i still rememeber all the hypocrtical outrage in my country when the 8 PM news magazine of the tv station that ran Big Brother opened not with the head of state´s adress to the country but with footage from a couple in BB going at it under the sheets...that is surely the ultimate victory of celebrity culture.

Well, one should be fair...celebrity culture doesnt aflict just the americans......which is exactly what I said on my first post on this thread.
every european country had its Big Brother where contestants were made demigods by their audiences...i still rememeber all the hypocrtical outrage in my country when the 8 PM news magazine of the tv station that ran Big Brother opened not with the head of state´s adress to the country but with footage from a couple in BB going at it under the sheets...that is surely the ultimate victory of celebrity culture.You missed my point. I was going against his "unofficial ambassadors" statement.

...which is exactly what I said on my first post on this thread.
You missed my point. I was going against his "unofficial ambassadors" statement.
Oh i see, the elusive use of sarcasm and irony...dont see it much, sorry, i stand corrected.