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Personally, I'd have to say the Federation off "Star Trek". For one, they seem to have no problems with rebellions because each alien race which is a part of the Federation was a willing member, and because most everyone has a voice, and there's a prevailing mood of cooperation and tolerance.

I love Star Trek. It represents the strongest elements of our own humanity and projects it onto alien cultures. For example, the Borg represent our expansionist/assimilatory traits, the Klingons are the epithome of war-loving, the Romulans are the isolationist opportunists, and the Ferengi are a culture bent on extreme advanced libertarian capitalism.

The Q are a race on Star Trek that are supposed to be advanced beyond all life in the universe, but they seem to prefer toying with individuals more than anything else. Plus it wasn't very enthusiastic for me to see them be in a state of boredom, almost to the point of species-wide nihilism.

Anyways... things like the Elves off LoTR or other things like Battlestar: Galactica are completely appropriate. As long as no such civilization has ever existed.

I'd have to go with the Old Republic on Star Wars. Their technology is far beyond anything the Federation has (although possibly short of Q's uberness), and their territory is much larger than the Federation's, as well.

They have a Galactic Senate with a Supreme Chancellor who is elected, and apparently is only supposed to serve a maximum amount of time.

They have Jedi. ('nuff said)

The government was so stable that, previous to the threat of the Seperatists, the Republic didn't even need a military. Its only military were the Jedi. No massive forces are even required to keep the peace.

I agree with the OP's sentiments on the Federation.

I'd have to go with the Old Republic on Star Wars. Their technology is far beyond anything the Federation has (although possibly short of Q's uberness), and their territory is much larger than the Federation's, as well.

They have a Galactic Senate with a Supreme Chancellor who is elected, and apparently is only supposed to serve a maximum amount of time.

They have Jedi. ('nuff said)

The government was so stable that, previous to the threat of the Seperatists, the Republic didn't even need a military. Its only military were the Jedi. No massive forces are even required to keep the peace.

Obviously, you've never played Knights of the Old Republic or else you would know better of the stability of the Old Republic. Also, they had a miltary just nothing to the scale of the Droid and Clone armies. Plus, it seems that all the senators tended to be extremely gullible and did whatever the Chancellor said. One last thing, Crime was rampant in the Old Republic. It seems like the Federation had very little crime in comparison.

I'd have to say anybody who had a Deathstar! Deathstars kick ass!

Personally, I'd have to say the Federation off "Star Trek". For one, they seem to have no problems with rebellions because each alien race which is a part of the Federation was a willing member, and because most everyone has a voice, and there's a prevailing mood of cooperation and tolerance.

They were also communist to some degree. (no money. Though they still have military ranks and heirarchy.)

I'd have to go with the Old Republic on Star Wars. Their technology is far beyond anything the Federation has (although possibly short of Q's uberness), and their territory is much larger than the Federation's, as well.

They have a Galactic Senate with a Supreme Chancellor who is elected, and apparently is only supposed to serve a maximum amount of time.

They have Jedi. ('nuff said)

The government was so stable that, previous to the threat of the Seperatists, the Republic didn't even need a military. Its only military were the Jedi. No massive forces are even required to keep the peace.

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I'd have to say the Underpants Gnomes from South Park. For no particular reason.

The Necromongers. Convert now, or fall forever.

The empire, without any shadow of a doubt.

I'm rolling with the Old Republic in Star Wars. While massive and plagued by corruption, I'd have to say that I like it. Only thing I'd change is I'd rub out the Jedi. If elected Supreme Chancellor, I would exterminate those elitist sons of bitches and get myself a real army to beat the Sith back with when they make their run.

I would keep Yoda, because he'd be awesome to have around.

I got to go with the Federation too. They somehow turned Earth into a paradice and avoided killing each other/

I would have to say the Halo universe : /. Althought some of you probably have never read the books, Imagine a universe controlled by the hierarchy of the covenant (not going with the master chief on this one ... too primitive). You either work for the prophets or get your entire species and planets obliterated and annihalated. Besides their ships where extremely advanaced, and they would fight against everyone and follow orders without question. Besides conflicts did arrise within the organization (no master chief based story here) but they where always put down by the elites superior strength abilities and old good all around extermination abilities. :D

The Gov't from the Vorkosigan novels.

The Chozo. Who else would have the most advanced technology in the universe just to give it up for a peaceful existance, then use the technology to leave a dead planet like nothing ever happened? It took centuries for humans to get out of the dark ages, unlike the week it took the Chozo.

Utopia, just because someone has to say it.

In 1515 More wrote his most famous and controversial work, Utopia, a book in which a fictional traveller, Raphael Hythloday, describes the political arrangements of an imaginary island nation named Utopia (a play on the Greek ou-topos, meaning "no place", and eu-topos, meaning "good place"). In the book, More contrasts the contentious social life of Christian European states with the perfectly orderly and reasonable social arrangements of the non-Christian Utopia, where private property does not exist and an almost complete religious toleration is practiced. Many commentators have pointed out that Karl Marx's later vision of the ideal communist state strongly resembles More's Utopia.

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More)

The Borg. We will be assimilated.

How about a race with enough firepower to leave an entire galaxy with only glassed planets? The covenant not only have that firepower, but also mainatain their environments intact. They only have green planets with clear water. But they are more then willing to fight for their religious beliefs of everyone must die. They are on a Jihad that will never end unless they activate the rings. Never the less they travel faster then federation ships in the universe, and they have more firepower then the federation. The might not have a deathstar, but not even the deathstar would hold out against ships with shields, and plasma cannons which eat metal. Besides the fleet of ships of the covenant are enough to melt the deathstar with a single cannon fire from each ship, not even the entire armies of the old republic new or the empire would be enough to stop such a devastating attack :D.

I would have to say the aliens from the Uplift Saga. 5 types of hyperspace, really weird weapons, history going back to the dawn of the universe, every race a slave of another race.

It's a toss-up for me between Tolkien's elves, and the United Federation of Planets.

The Culture. It sounds perfect.

The Culture. It sounds perfect.
I was just going to mention that myself. They could kick anyone's butt.

Iain M. Bank's new novel "The Algebraist", which isn't a culture novel, but it does have an incredibly powerful race in it. I won't tell you more as it would spoil the book for you. I'd recommend you get hold of a copy asap. It's one of those 'read it til dawn' type books. I know I almost did (finished it at 4.45am).

Obviously, you've never played Knights of the Old Republic or else you would know better of the stability of the Old Republic. Also, they had a miltary just nothing to the scale of the Droid and Clone armies. Plus, it seems that all the senators tended to be extremely gullible and did whatever the Chancellor said. One last thing, Crime was rampant in the Old Republic. It seems like the Federation had very little crime in comparison.

You ARE aware that Kotor takes place over 4,000 years previous to the events in the Star Wars movies, right?

Yes, the republic had its problems, but it was a far more advanced civilization than the Federation. It goes through hundreds of years where there's relative peace, often approaching the 1000 year mark.

Yes, they had a military, mostly though they used "aggressive negotiations." :D

Crime is rampant in the old republic? Yes that's true. So it smuggling in Star Trek. In DS9 they were always smuggling something or other, or catching someone smuggling something or other.

Star Wars. Why? Even the tyrannical empire lets people openly walk around with weapons. No gun registration or carry laws there (with exceptions for thermal detonators and disrupter rifles). Now that’s progress! :D

Why would you not say the Culture? Hell, even if you someday become dissatisfied with living in the Culture, you simply hook yourself into a computer and life out your life somewhere else, Trek, Wars, anywhere.

Why would you not say the Culture? Hell, even if you someday become dissatisfied with living in the Culture, you simply hook yourself into a computer and life out your life somewhere else, Trek, Wars, anywhere.

I don't know what "The Culture" is.

The most realistic? Universal Century timeline from that of Gundam - I mean, space colonies, mobile suits, and anti world-government rebel groups like the AEUG and the League Militaire.

Most advanced otherwise? Trek. I mean, they have Q!

Brave New World people!

Look - even in star trek and star wars, hell, most of the great civilisations all have individuals trapped by a search for meaning in their lives.

No such problem in BNW! From the moment you're born you serve a purpose and rejoice in it's fulfilment. Is there something greater than you that watches over you? Of course, society itself! And not to mention full access to the ultimate narcotic.

Most importantly, if you find such a society not to your taste, you are placed on one of the Islands - locales where the individual and the deviant can meet, mix and live out their lives among those like them. This is essential - it demonstrates that the society is prepared to admit that it may not have all the answers all the time, so it creates an area to hold its most important resource, human uniqueness, in reserve.

Aldous Huxley may have thought it a dystopia, but his idea of a utopia sucked balls.

The Littles.

http://www.cfhf.net/lyrics/images/littles.jpg
Tiny people that live in the walls of a house and build modern technological devices like airplanes out of buttons and shoelaces. :)

I would say "Edenism" from the Night's Dawn trilogy.

The smurfs!!! Their civilization ruled!!!

Lol, no, I'll go with the UFP on this one.

The Warhammer 40k empire. Thier philosopy, "Shoot anything that isn't holy!". But it is quite an effective empire. If it werent for the alien races and Chaos, then they would be fine.

Asimov's Foundation. When you can know the future, you're all set.

Gnosis in Xenosaga (am I the only one who knows the game?)

I want to be one someday.

I don't know what "The Culture" is.

The most mind-numbingly advanced sci-fi race outside the Xelee. They can't quite blow up a star with a handgun like the Xelee, but they're close enough (to the point where, when you consider that the Xelee civilization covers the entire fucking universe, they're damned primitive. The culture is technically more advanced by the Xelee could bring so much in the way of resources to bear in a war against the Culture that the Culture wouldn't stand a chance. But I digress...)

Here are some links to forums with information on the Culture:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=7419&start=0
(Somewhere down the first page is the first major post of information and there is more spread throughout the topic)

http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=435&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=36
(All those quotes right there and a bunch more on the next page)

I don't know what "The Culture" is.

best bunch of egalitarian anti-work commies around
http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~stefan/culture.html

Nobody agrees that anyone that can go from dark ages to sci-fi in one week is advanced? I still think the Chozos represent millenia of advancements per week.

Remember their adage: "Nobody fucks with The Culture"

The Culture sound... interesting. I still don't get where they are from (The Star Wars universe, etc?)

Asimov's Foundation. When you can know the future, you're all set.

FoundationS then ;) I however prefer Gaia.

The empire in Star Wars! I don't care if I'm taking part in a genocide or opressing a planet, as long as I get to command a star destroyer I'll do anything and sleep well at night =)
Besides...the empire has cool uniforms. Now I just have to lose some weight so I can fit in one ;P

Nobody agrees that anyone that can go from dark ages to sci-fi in one week is advanced? I still think the Chozos represent millenia of advancements per week.
Weren't they able to see the future by looking into a body of water? Either way the Chozo were able to create weapondry that is capable of one Chozo wiping out entire colonies of Space Pirates.

The Culture sound... interesting. I still don't get where they are from (The Star Wars universe, etc?)
A series of novels by Iain M Banks. Good page-turners.

The Progenitor.

They can create sentient planets.

Then again, Gaia's Stepdaughters are better at dealing with said sentient planets, so...

The Warhammer 40k empire. Thier philosopy, "Shoot anything that isn't holy!". But it is quite an effective empire. If it werent for the alien races and Chaos, then they would be fine.

no they would all be mechanised slaves... having said that i am guardsman through and through

The Ancients from stargate. Anyone who can advance to the point of ascending to a higher plane of existence gets my vote.

They were also communist to some degree. (no money. Though they still have military ranks and heirarchy.)
Quite obviously they're kind of Stalinists or something of that sort. Star Fleet is a military dictatorship. I don't know why everyone seems to work, but I figure it's because they're forced to. I know if I lived in their alleged paradise I'd get myself a replicator and a holosuite and never work again, so why don't most people do that? Genetic modification? Mind control?

The Infinite Empire of the Rakata.

Quite obviously they're kind of Stalinists or something of that sort. Star Fleet is a military dictatorship. I don't know why everyone seems to work, but I figure it's because they're forced to. I know if I lived in their alleged paradise I'd get myself a replicator and a holosuite and never work again, so why don't most people do that? Genetic modification? Mind control?

No, they're just advanced a lot more than you.

The Culture, every time. Nobody can stand up to them. Their ships computers run and create their own virtual universes to pass the time, what's more powerful than that? That and the fact that capitalists would utterly hate it there. Which amuses me.

No, they're just advanced a lot more than you.

Advanced enough to brainwash thier people into working?

The University of Planet, outteching everyone on Alpha Centauri since the beginning.

All hail Zakharov!

The Ancients from stargate. Anyone who can advance to the point of ascending to a higher plane of existence gets my vote.


i agree,the ancients seem to be like the Q in Star Trek,but with names,and buddisty enlightenment

Personally, I'd have to say the Federation off "Star Trek". For one, they seem to have no problems with rebellions because each alien race which is a part of the Federation was a willing member, and because most everyone has a voice, and there's a prevailing mood of cooperation and tolerance.

I love Star Trek. It represents the strongest elements of our own humanity and projects it onto alien cultures. For example, the Borg represent our expansionist/assimilatory traits, the Klingons are the epithome of war-loving, the Romulans are the isolationist opportunists, and the Ferengi are a culture bent on extreme advanced libertarian capitalism.

The Q are a race on Star Trek that are supposed to be advanced beyond all life in the universe, but they seem to prefer toying with individuals more than anything else. Plus it wasn't very enthusiastic for me to see them be in a state of boredom, almost to the point of species-wide nihilism.

Anyways... things like the Elves off LoTR or other things like Battlestar: Galactica are completely appropriate. As long as no such civilization has ever existed.

Lame ass trekkies. Star Wars Old Republic owns and always shall own anything trekkie.

The University of Planet, outteching everyone on Alpha Centauri since the beginning.

Unless you play the morganites with lots of crawlers pumping energy into your headquarters ;) Or if you include the expansion factions :P

Lame ass trekkies. Star Wars Old Republic owns and always shall own anything trekkie.

I'm not a trekki, but i prefer the UFP also.

i agree,the ancients seem to be like the Q in Star Trek,but with names,and buddisty enlightenment

And a feckload of ruins, with cool technology. They beat the lame-ass culture anyday. They're actuallyomnipotent and omniscient!

Personally, I'd have to say the Federation off "Star Trek". For one, they seem to have no problems with rebellions because each alien race which is a part of the Federation was a willing member, and because most everyone has a voice, and there's a prevailing mood of cooperation and tolerance.

I love Star Trek. It represents the strongest elements of our own humanity and projects it onto alien cultures. For example, the Borg represent our expansionist/assimilatory traits, the Klingons are the epithome of war-loving, the Romulans are the isolationist opportunists, and the Ferengi are a culture bent on extreme advanced libertarian capitalism.

The Q are a race on Star Trek that are supposed to be advanced beyond all life in the universe, but they seem to prefer toying with individuals more than anything else. Plus it wasn't very enthusiastic for me to see them be in a state of boredom, almost to the point of species-wide nihilism.

totally agreed. the federation is where its at

I'd have to go with the Old Republic on Star Wars. Their technology is far beyond anything the Federation has (although possibly short of Q's uberness), and their territory is much larger than the Federation's, as well.

They have a Galactic Senate with a Supreme Chancellor who is elected, and apparently is only supposed to serve a maximum amount of time.

They have Jedi. ('nuff said)

The government was so stable that, previous to the threat of the Seperatists, the Republic didn't even need a military. Its only military were the Jedi. No massive forces are even required to keep the peace.


Right on.