NationStates Jolt Archive


I got Gas...

JuNii
09-09-2005, 04:39
Price Blues...

Ok, no Flaming or Trolling please. but I was wondering what the Gas prices are in your areas.

so please state what Country/Providence/State you are in, the date of post and the price of gas.

example.
Hawaii (USA)
Sept. 8 2005
Unleaded - $3.26
Supreme - $3.36
High - $3.46

Don't want Area Average, want sticker price.
The South Islands
09-09-2005, 04:41
Sir, you have a case of Misleadingus Titleus.

Anyway...

East Lansing, MI

Regular: $2.99

I don't care what the others are. All I know is that I'm too poor to afford it :( .
Orangians
09-09-2005, 04:41
September 8th
Sacramento, California
Unleaded: $3.08
Andaluciae
09-09-2005, 04:44
$2.82 Regular unleaded.

add ten cents for each level up

North Canton, Ohio.


I suddenly feel incredibly fortunate...

Sep/08/05
Suzopolis
09-09-2005, 04:45
Tyler, TX

$2.69 for regular as of yesterday at the station where i usually fill up, if i remember correctly.

the lowest so far...can't say i'm surprised, sorry guys.
Neo Rogolia
09-09-2005, 04:47
$2.99 and 99/100ths of a cent in Birmingham, AL last time I filled up (regular unleaded of course)....I want nuclear power cars! Little mini-reactors inside each! Of course, bad things might happen if someone got into an accident >.>
Greater Googlia
09-09-2005, 04:52
I had this idea...

You guys know how nuclear power works, right? Nuclear reaction creates massive amounts of heat, etc, turns water to steam, which in turn turns a turbine.

Well...without putting a dangerous nuclear reactor in, car companies could get a little bit more gas mileage out of their cars if they applied part of that concept.

Add a water reservoir in the engine near the hottest part of the engine. Make it out of metal. Put a turbine at the top and then connect that to the rest of the cars system.

Granted, it won't add a ton of power, but considering how simple it would be to implement, without adding much cost to the total price of the car, it seems like it'd be worth it by this point.
Thelona
09-09-2005, 05:04
$1.299 / litre in Australia. Only another dollar higher for you to go to catch us...
CanuckHeaven
09-09-2005, 05:19
$2.99 and 99/100ths of a cent in Birmingham, AL last time I filled up (regular unleaded of course)....I want nuclear power cars! Little mini-reactors inside each! Of course, bad things might happen if someone got into an accident >.>
Ahhhhh, a Shroom car. I understand that the implosion sucks. :rolleyes:
Free Soviets
09-09-2005, 05:20
Hawaii (USA)
Sept. 8 2005
Unleaded - $3.26
Supreme - $3.48
High - $3.67

that on o'ahu or one of the other islands?
Luna Amore
09-09-2005, 05:22
St. Augustine, FL:

$2.89
$2.99
$3.09
Lacadaemon
09-09-2005, 05:43
3.39 in NYC.
Monkeypimp
09-09-2005, 06:25
its over NZ$1.50 per litre, but I'm not sure the exact price.


That, by my quick calculations... Just over US$4 to the gallon. (I think)
Lacadaemon
09-09-2005, 06:26
It's also now over a pound a litre in the UK, or so a relative told me today.
Doujin
09-09-2005, 06:26
2.01 for E85.
The South Islands
09-09-2005, 06:29
It's also now over a pound a litre in the UK, or so a relative told me today.


:eek:

Wow... that is massive!
New Fuglies
09-09-2005, 06:31
About $1.10/L.... whatever that is in gallons I dunno but it is suck. :(
Lacadaemon
09-09-2005, 06:33
:eek:

Wow... that is massive!

Yeah, they're not too impressed either. Fortunately they are retired, so they don't drive that much.
A Dave
09-09-2005, 06:41
$2.89 for regular unleaded

Bad Axe, MI

The part that gets me is I filled my car up last Thursday...when it was $3.56 a gallon. The next day...drops to $3.00.
Revolunia
09-09-2005, 06:45
I had this idea...

You guys know how nuclear power works, right? Nuclear reaction creates massive amounts of heat, etc, turns water to steam, which in turn turns a turbine.

Well...without putting a dangerous nuclear reactor in, car companies could get a little bit more gas mileage out of their cars if they applied part of that concept.

Add a water reservoir in the engine near the hottest part of the engine. Make it out of metal. Put a turbine at the top and then connect that to the rest of the cars system.

Granted, it won't add a ton of power, but considering how simple it would be to implement, without adding much cost to the total price of the car, it seems like it'd be worth it by this point.

actually, thats called an external combustion engine, or a steam engine. The amount of power you would get from a small set up would be practically nill. A large enough set up would add so much weight and take up so much space as to negate any advantage from power generated. In addition, you are talking about a lot of metal, and a closed system for the boiling, turbine, and condensor system. This would be huge, and not cheap, it would add a lot to the price. there just isn't a practical way to fit this type of a system onto a gas engine, either.

Basically, it gives you nothing good, but is very bad. That is why the internal combustion engine won over the steam engine for cars over a century ago.
Egyeria
09-09-2005, 06:46
Last time I checked, $1.50 for 91/Unleaded and $1.60 for 96. About $6/U.S gallon.
Revolunia
09-09-2005, 06:50
Last time I checked, $1.50 for 91/Unleaded and $1.60 for 96. About $6/U.S gallon.
Where are you? the first post in this thread said to say where you are that you are getting your gas price.
The Arch Wobbly
09-09-2005, 06:50
It's also now over a pound a litre in the UK, or so a relative told me today.


Yeah, believe me it's great fun.
Pepe Dominguez
09-09-2005, 06:58
$2.86 here, Chino, CA. (87 octane regular unleaded)

Sucks.
Pantylvania
09-09-2005, 08:04
$2.949 in Columbus, OH

The lower October prices are so far off
Ellanesse
09-09-2005, 09:26
In Sweden it's roughly $1.65 per liter, and there's 4.5 liters in a gallon. This has been the price of gas for as long as I've been here, which isn't very long really - just since January. But that's still like $5 a gallon so I keep telling my relatives in the US to quit complaining -- or to get a bike! That's what me and my husband do. A 20 minute commute to work in morning traffic is like half an hour on a bike, sometimes less if you hit the crossing lights with luck. Course, not on the freeway, but it's usually a lot prettier and you get good exercise if you've gotta ride for 45min or so there and back. Think of it! You could be way healthy!

Sorry about the babbling, I just got up.
Legless Pirates
09-09-2005, 09:43
€1,52 per litre
NERVUN
09-09-2005, 12:37
Last I checked, it was 138円 (yen) per liter here in Nagano, Japan. Just about $5.17(US) per gallon. Makes me damn glad about Japan's wonderful public transportation system. :D
Delator
09-09-2005, 12:52
Not sure about higher octanes, or todays prices...

...but yesterday 87 octane was $2.99 & 9/10ths here in Wisconsin.
Tropical Montana
09-09-2005, 13:07
2.01 for E85.


???? Lets all move to Illinois.

Southwest Florida:
$2.99
$3.09
$3.19

ANd it just damn figures that Texas has cheap gas. Maybe when Jeb gets elected in 2008, Florida will have cheap gas. Or if we can get the NeoCons out of office, we can ALL have cheaper gas. I can dream cant I?
Arabisk
09-09-2005, 13:08
Arab League / Egypt / Cairo

gas=0.01$
Petro= 0.05$

its even cheaper in Saudi Arabia
Smunkeeville
09-09-2005, 15:51
got it at 2.65 a gallon this morning, the station by my house was 2.97 though
I know where the cheap station is :D I rock!!!!

ps Oklahoma
SimNewtonia
09-09-2005, 16:03
last time I checked... $1.359/ltr for regular petroleum.

Interestingly, diesel's cheaper at the moment around here :eek:
Drunk commies deleted
09-09-2005, 16:14
Trenton, NJ
$3.199/gallon
UnitarianUniversalists
09-09-2005, 16:31
2.99/Gal in St. Louis.

Get used to the price guys, peak oil production in just about 1 year and then it's all downhill from there.

Prediction: in 4 years it will be $6 a gal.

Stupid government should have done something to move the economy over when they had a chance back 10-15 years ago.
Gun toting civilians
09-09-2005, 16:55
10% Ethanol 89 oct. - $2.68
87 oct.- $2.79
91 oct.- $2.90
E85 85% ethanol - $1.90

NW Iowa as of this morning.
Tactical Grace
09-09-2005, 17:13
Manchester, UK, US$6.50 per gallon.
Psychotic Mongooses
09-09-2005, 17:13
The highest i've seen today was

€1.37 a litre...

convert it yourselves :p
German Nightmare
09-09-2005, 17:43
Göttingen, Lower Saxony, Germany

Diesel
€uro 1.129 per liter = U$ 5.306 per gallon

Regular (91)
€uro 1.329 per liter = U$ 6.246 per gallon

Super (95)
€uro 1.349 per liter = U$ 6.340 per gallon

Super Plus (98+)
€uro 1.449 per liter = U$ 6.810 per gallon

(€uro 1 = U$ 1.2415 and 1 gallon = 3,785411784 liters)

The gas price increased by €uro 0.18 per liter = U$ 0.85 per gallon after the hurricane.
Some of the reasons? Increasing oil price (whereas of the U$ 70 per barrel approximately U$ 30 didn't depict the real price of oil but was pure speculation). Good to know someone is making some money... :(
But more interesting:
Even before the hurricane the U.S. barely had enough refineries to quench its gas-thurst. Now that the Southern refineries are out of the equasion, guess what's cheaper? Expanding the working refineries or buy the gas somewhere else. That's right, pick number two. That makes the ressources here less and so, in part, we are paying for your gas as well. :mad:
Therefore, while you might have gas - I got constipation :p
Doujin
09-09-2005, 18:12
I think E85 has gone down again. I live about 45 miles from the nearest station, but I used to live (a week and a half ago) right next to three of them. I was driving a Ford Taurus, and as many Taurus' are flexible fuel vehicles I was always fueling up on E85, and spending half the amount that everyone else was.
Gun toting civilians
09-09-2005, 18:16
I think E85 has gone down again. I live about 45 miles from the nearest station, but I used to live (a week and a half ago) right next to three of them. I was driving a Ford Taurus, and as many Taurus' are flexible fuel vehicles I was always fueling up on E85, and spending half the amount that everyone else was.

Kinda wish that my truck could run on it, I might be able to afford to start it then
Aust
09-09-2005, 18:19
Threshfeild garage-

1 leter of petrol
99p

1 leter of deisel
99p
MadmCurie
09-09-2005, 18:20
Milwaukee, WI, USA

yesterday- $3.29 for reg, add ten cents for each grade

this morning-- $3.07 for reg

And I remember complaining when it was $2.60 a gallon
Alta Verapaz
09-09-2005, 18:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greater Googlia
I had this idea...

You guys know how nuclear power works, right? Nuclear reaction creates massive amounts of heat, etc, turns water to steam, which in turn turns a turbine.

Well...without putting a dangerous nuclear reactor in, car companies could get a little bit more gas mileage out of their cars if they applied part of that concept.

Add a water reservoir in the engine near the hottest part of the engine. Make it out of metal. Put a turbine at the top and then connect that to the rest of the cars system.

Granted, it won't add a ton of power, but considering how simple it would be to implement, without adding much cost to the total price of the car, it seems like it'd be worth it by this point.



actually, thats called an external combustion engine, or a steam engine. The amount of power you would get from a small set up would be practically nill. A large enough set up would add so much weight and take up so much space as to negate any advantage from power generated. In addition, you are talking about a lot of metal, and a closed system for the boiling, turbine, and condensor system. This would be huge, and not cheap, it would add a lot to the price. there just isn't a practical way to fit this type of a system onto a gas engine, either.

Basically, it gives you nothing good, but is very bad. That is why the internal combustion engine won over the steam engine for cars over a century ago.

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Last edited by Revolunia : Today at 5:48 AM.



Well, you could use a variation of the Ericson calorie engine to produce extra power off the water coolant in the engine, but your right it wouldn't produce a lot of power (extra 50 or so pounds for 15 or so horses.) It would function in much the same role as the electric engine in some of the older hybrids (providing power while cruising) but would actually be less efficent in fuel use than the internal combustion engine because fuel is being burned uncompressed (Unless you really want to install a parabolic mirror on your hood to use Ericson's original solar powered design)

Altogether it wouldn't be worthwhile.
Jarridia
09-09-2005, 18:39
Austin, TX

Normal fill up spot hidden under the expressway, $2.29 per gallon. Muahahaa.. I'm like the only person that knows about it, other than my friends and family.
Kaitonia
09-09-2005, 18:54
Fort Collins, Colorado

Phillips 66 Station down the street from where I live:

3.40 Unleaded

Around 10-15 cents higher for other grades.

This was no more than a day ago, but the price could have lowered already.
Carnivorous Lickers
09-09-2005, 18:59
New Jersey
Regular unleaded was $3.17 a gallon as of yesterday,Thursday 09/08/05.

And I was pissed off a week ago Thursday, 09/01/05 when it was still $2.59.

These prices are at a Wawa convenience store, which is typically .5 cents per gallon cheaper than all other gas stations in the area.
Carnivorous Lickers
09-09-2005, 19:04
There is an effort to send a message to oil cos that involves not buying any gasoline on Sundays. I dont know how much support this has, but its easy enough for me to do. Maybe if enough people participate, we will be noticed.

Or more likely, oil companies will reduce there expenses by deciding to close on Sundays.
Votum et spes
09-09-2005, 19:08
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA at ARCO the gas is about $2.939 the last time I checked which was about three days ago. It's definitely cheaper than Chevron. Wish I had a Costco card so I could get gas about 10-20 cents cheaper. :cool:
Votum et spes
09-09-2005, 19:09
IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM DAY" AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.
Carnivorous Lickers
09-09-2005, 19:21
IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM DAY" AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.

I'm there. I dont mind companies making a profit-its the American way. But they have posted profits in the BILLIONS for one quarter. People are charging fuel now and paying interest on it. Its starting a bad trend.
Nadkor
09-09-2005, 19:30
I'm paying about 95p a litre (unleaded)

Work that out in gallons and dollars if you like.

It really is ridiculous. The government needs to drop some of the fuel duty or it's just going to get too expensive for anybody to drive anywhere. Including hauliers and others who rely on driving for their livelihood. Can't be good for the economy.
Doujin
09-09-2005, 19:33
Kinda wish that my truck could run on it, I might be able to afford to start it then

4.7L Dodge Ram Pickup 1500 Series (2004-2005)
5.4L Ford F-150 3-valve (Available in December of this year) (2006)
4.0L Ford Explorer Sport Trac (2004-2005) **
4.0L Ford Explorer 4-door (2004-2005) **
4.0L Ford Explorer (4-door) (2002-2004) **
3.0L Ford Supercab Ranger pickup 2WD (2002-2003) **
3.0L Ford Supercab Ranger pickup 2WD (2001) **
3.0L Ford Ranger pickup 4WD and 2WD (1999 - 2000) **
5.3L GM Vortec-engine Avalanche (2005-2006)
5.3L GM V-8 engine Chevy Silverado** and GMC Sierra** half-ton pickups 2WD & 4WD (2003-2006)
5.3L GM Vortec-engine Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon and Yukon XLs (2003-2006)
5.3L GM V-8 engine Chevy Silverado** and GMC Sierra** half-ton pickups 2WD & 4WD (2002)
5.3L GM Vortec-engine Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon and Yukon XLs (2002)
2.2L GM Chevrolet S-10 pickup 2WD (2002)
2.2L GM Sonoma Pickup 2WD (2002)
2.2L GM Chevrolet S-10 pickup 2WD (2000-2001)
2.2L GM Sonoma pickup 2WD (2000-2001)
2.2L Isuzu Hombre pickup 2WD (2000,2001)
3.0L Mazda B3000 pickups** (1999.2001-2003)
4.0L Mercury Mountaineers (2002-2005)**
5.6L Nissan Titan DOHC V8 engine


All these are FFVs.
** = Selected Vehicles Only. To identify if your truck (or car) is FFV (other than looking at the gas tank compartment where it specifies fuel) look at the VIN. Identify if your truck or car is a FFV vehicle (http://www.e85fuel.com/information/vin.php)
JuNii
10-09-2005, 18:22
Austin, TX

Normal fill up spot hidden under the expressway, $2.29 per gallon. Muahahaa.. I'm like the only person that knows about it, other than my friends and family.err... now so does everone on NS and in the Austin Area...

Oh, and edited my first post. Got the prices way wrong. :D
Gulf Republics
10-09-2005, 18:25
IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM DAY" AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.

Yeah you do understand this is total BS right? China and India are the real problem.
Super-power
10-09-2005, 18:30
NJ 9/10
Regular Unleaded: $2.392

If there's one thing we can gain from this price spike, it's that the companies speed up development of next-gen energy-powered cars.
Twizzland
10-09-2005, 18:34
where in new jersey are you getting gas for $2.39/gal?
Kjata Major
10-09-2005, 18:38
Yeah you do understand this is total BS right? China and India are the real problem.

Wrong. We are. So take it elsewhere. America has VERY VERY low prices. Other places it is much higher. We import 10 million barrels a day. If we cut down on those SUVs, trucks and everything and started being responsible we wouldn't need ANY imports of oil.
DrunkenDove
10-09-2005, 18:42
Yeah you do understand this is total BS right? China and India are the real problem.

Damn those Chinese! (http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=101320#hahahaha)
Kjata Major
10-09-2005, 18:56
Damn those Chinese! (http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=101320#hahahaha)

Heh....makes perfect sense. Government again messes up because we are reliant on business and who pays....WE DO.
New Bungaria
10-09-2005, 19:11
$2.99 for the cheapest.



:eek:
Kjata Major
10-09-2005, 19:20
Out of the US its as high as $7 for gas.
JuNii
10-09-2005, 19:44
Out of the US its as high as $7 for gas.where?
Nadkor
10-09-2005, 20:00
where?
The UK, for one.

I pay about 95p for a litre. That's about $1.70

So it's about $6.40 for 1 US gallon, and that's by no means the most expensive in the UK.
SoWiBi
10-09-2005, 20:11
it's 1.42 euros/litre unleaded today here in neustadt a rbge in germany, that would make more than 6$/US gallon as well.
now i still remeber how in my country they once wanted the gas price to be 2.50 euros once...
Isle of East America
10-09-2005, 20:16
I think E85 has gone down again. I live about 45 miles from the nearest station, but I used to live (a week and a half ago) right next to three of them. I was driving a Ford Taurus, and as many Taurus' are flexible fuel vehicles I was always fueling up on E85, and spending half the amount that everyone else was.


Wouldn't it be great if we could have E85 available at every station. If we could, The US dependency on foreign oil would drop to nearly 20% of what it is today and our farmers would be booming growing all that corn for us.....Hmmm grow corn wich helps the environment or drill oil wich destroys the environment. I wonder where all the roadblocks are, it seems a simple enough solution to me.
Isle of East America
10-09-2005, 20:26
Wrong. We are. So take it elsewhere. America has VERY VERY low prices. Other places it is much higher. We import 10 million barrels a day. If we cut down on those SUVs, trucks and everything and started being responsible we wouldn't need ANY imports of oil.

You are right. China and India are not the problem, we consume more oil than both of them combined. We USE more than 20 million barrels a day, and it will take a lot more than cutting back on the larger vehicles. Why are homes here still being heated by coal and oil when there is more efficient ways such as electricity and natural gas?
JuNii
10-09-2005, 20:31
You are right. China and India are not the problem, we consume more oil than both of them combined. We USE more than 20 million barrels a day, and it will take a lot more than cutting back on the larger vehicles. Why are homes here still being heated by coal and oil when there is more efficient ways such as electricity and natural gas?so... like what if the Gov is purposely manipulating things so that gas prices rise, then Companies start speeding up their Alternative Fuel research...

the end result would be that the largest (or one of the largest anyway) consumer of Oil would suddenly become free of their dependancy on foreign oil.

Bush knows that is term as President will be up, so why not force the Oil Consumer's hand.





Farfetched but what if it's true...
Vetalia
10-09-2005, 20:31
You are right. China and India are not the problem, we consume more oil than both of them combined. We USE more than 20 million barrels a day, and it will take a lot more than cutting back on the larger vehicles. Why are homes here still being heated by coal and oil when there is more efficient ways such as electricity and natural gas?

China and India are the problems. They consume less, but their demand is growing multiple times faster than the US in barrels per day; the US demand is fairly stable and easy to accomodate, but when two massive nations suddenly begin to have large increases in oil demand, that's where the supply problem is.

Coal is great for the US; we're the Saudi Arabia of coal deposits, so I don't mind people using that to heat their homes. It's good for our economy, and coal can be turned in to oil as well.

Heating oil needs to be replaced badly, and natural gas isn't helpful because most of it is harvested at oil rigs as a byproduct. We need to give out tax cuts for energy efficency upgrades, and build more nonpetroleum sources of power to ensure a cheap supply of electrical power for heating.
Vetalia
10-09-2005, 20:34
Wouldn't it be great if we could have E85 available at every station. If we could, The US dependency on foreign oil would drop to nearly 20% of what it is today and our farmers would be booming growing all that corn for us.....Hmmm grow corn wich helps the environment or drill oil wich destroys the environment. I wonder where all the roadblocks are, it seems a simple enough solution to me.

Ethanol generally requires more energy to produce than it gives out. This wouldn't be bad if the energy used to produce it wasn't generated by burning hydrocarbons, but it is. If we had mostly nuclear power, solar, and other nonpetroleum fuels, ethanol would be great because the energy disparity would be meaningless since these sources are mostly renewable.
Le Tirane
10-09-2005, 20:51
Here in Saskastchewan,CAnada we are 1.34 for a litre so about 2.84 plus exchange so about $3.24 for a gallon. And oil is supposed to peak in 9 months so say goodby :eek: e to future of flying cars :mad: :mad: :headbang: