NationStates Jolt Archive


Democrat or Republican?

Neo Kervoskia
09-09-2005, 00:34
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?
HowTheDeadLive
09-09-2005, 00:36
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?

You are asking "whats worse, bowel cancer or lung cancer?"
Neo Kervoskia
09-09-2005, 00:37
You are asking "whats worse, bowel cancer or lung cancer?"
Pretty much. It's not my ideal, but they're the options so far.
Michaelic France
09-09-2005, 00:41
I'm a Democratic Communist Comrade :)
Orangians
09-09-2005, 00:42
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?

I used to be a big Republican throughout high school. I even voted for Bush in 2000. During college, though, I moved more and more to the Libertarian Party, which resulted in my voting for Michael Badnarik (LP candidate) in 2004. I understand your internal conflict.

Democrats tend to agree with Libertarians more on social issues, but they're quite mainstream about gay rights and drugs. Also, Democrats flat-out trample on gun rights. (I don't know if you're a big Second Amendment Libertarian like I am.) Republicans are slightly more authoritarian on social issues, somewhat better on gun issues, and not as frightening on economic issues as mainstream Democrats. Unlike most Democrats, though, you can find Republicans who are libertarian on economic AND social issues, like Congressman Ron Paul. You've already shown your biases, so I think you should just join the Republican Party. You seem to value economic liberty as much as I do, and let's face it, you're not going to feel welcome in the party of market socialists. Good luck!
Vetalia
09-09-2005, 00:44
I would say the Republicans if they begin to shift back to "true conservatism" (which is increasingly similar to libertarianism). The Democratic Party would fit if they keep to a Clintonian economic agenda, but the wasteful, unchecked spending in Congress seems to undermine this, especially when it's coming from both parties. 2006 would be a better time to assess the situation.
Jildaran
09-09-2005, 01:03
Republicans are probably a better bet. They have a small Libertarian wing, whereas the Democrats are basically split between the liberal wing (Dean) and the big government centrists (Kerry, Gore, et all)
CSW
09-09-2005, 01:24
Republicans are probably a better bet. They have a small Libertarian wing, whereas the Democrats are basically split between the liberal wing (Dean) and the big government centrists (Kerry, Gore, et all)
Except the libertarian wing is being ignored to high heaven. You're better off blocking in opposition, at least at the moment.
Karaska
09-09-2005, 01:30
Go Democrat the Republicans try to push their ideals on everyone...Look at Bush....

And everyone I'm neither so you Republicans can't shoot me :sniper: :)
Eutrusca
09-09-2005, 01:31
Neither. Register as "Independent," or some smaller party which holds positions with which you agree.
Rotovia-
09-09-2005, 01:35
The only question is do you want to be raped in the ass by a party that uses lube (The Democrats) or one that use none and has the audasity to do it public and gloat (The Republicans)?
Ashmoria
09-09-2005, 01:43
what eutrusca said

but really, if you feel the need to go with one or the other, it depends on your priorites.

it seems to me that most libertarians end up voting republican for 2 reasons, the (now gone by) fiscal conservatism and the (still going strong) support of the 2nd ammendment.

if those are your top priorities, then go republican and work hard to bring them back to their fiscally rational roots.

democrats on the other hand are more concerned about REALLY getting government out of your personal life. (but not necessarily out of your wallet)
seperation of church and state, abortion rights, gay and minority rights.

they are also the party of "we can fix anything by passing a law about it". republicans have shown themselves to not be immune to this kind of thinking now that they are in power. *shrug*

i find that for me, the civil rights are more important than gun laws and big government.
The Nazz
09-09-2005, 01:49
There are very real substantive differences between the two parties, but frankly, if you're in it for the internship and not for the ideology, the Republicans spend more money on that kind of thing, because they have more of it to throw around. If it's ideology, then I say the Democrats are closer, because they're your buds on social issues and there's a wide range of diverse opinion in the party about gun control, despite what Republican opponents say--there's a lot of pro-gun Democrats.

So if you're in it for the cash, go with the Republicans. They've got the tink tanks and they spread it around pretty thick, from what I hear. Personally, I wouldn't touch their money if they threw it at me.
Sabbatis
09-09-2005, 01:49
To echo previous posters, you clearly have a better chance of finding a niche in the Republican Party. There are more opportunities there.
No endorse
09-09-2005, 02:01
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?

Go for the Libertarian party! Don't settle for anything less than what you truely believe in.
Orangians
09-09-2005, 02:07
I don't find Democrats all too socially libertarian except on some sex issues, like abortion, sodomy laws, and the like, and even then Republicans outside of the South aren't all that dissimilar. Match that with the economic interference and there's no way I could ever vote Democrat as a libertarian-minded individual. Also, if the government has an economic interest in your life, like, for example, nationalized health care, then suddenly it has an interest in controlling your behavior to cut costs.
Myrmidonisia
09-09-2005, 02:24
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?
I was a volunteer for a State Representative in Ohio. I did much of what I suspect an intern does. Answered phones, helped constituents, helped research legislation, talked to the press... My advice would be forget about party affiliations, find a politician that you respect, and work for that legislator. I think that would be much more satisfying than trying to rationalize partisan issues.
Oye Oye
09-09-2005, 02:29
I am conflicted. I am a staunch libertarian. I wish to enter politics, which are guided by economics. I want to get an internship, unfortunately there aren't that many political organizations that offer them. The Libertarian Party doesn't offer them in my state. I have known the people at the Democratic Party for two years. My views hardly resemble theirs. The Republican Party is a little better when it comes to economic issues and they're both about the same socially. If I want to be noticed, I'll have to choose. I won't register for either, but I need to choose between them. Which is the slightly lesser of two GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT^23 evil?

The difference between a Democrat and a Republican is like the difference between a mule and an elephant. They're both dumb animals, one just tends to make more mess than the other.
Amyst
09-09-2005, 02:32
Look into the Republican Liberty Caucus.

http://www.rlc.org/
Ragbralbur
09-09-2005, 02:34
Where are you?

Who has been in power for the majority of the last 50 years?

If you're already compromising your beliefs for your career, why not just pick the winning party?

If a party has more seats doesn't that mean they have more members involved in government?

If they have more people involved in governement, doesn't that mean they need more assistants and whatnot?
The Atlantian islands
09-09-2005, 02:41
Republicans Rule!!!!!!!!!! Bring Back Reagan~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cruel tyrany
09-09-2005, 02:43
Go Democrat the Republicans try to push their ideals on everyone...Look at Bush....

And everyone I'm neither so you Republicans can't shoot me :sniper: :)

<insert karaska> :mp5:
haha


Anyway, become republican, they aren't as narrow minded as democrats, and make better decisions.

:mp5: :sniper: :mp5:
The Armed Republic Of Cruel Tyrany
Haloman
09-09-2005, 02:48
I was a volunteer for a State Representative in Ohio. I did much of what I suspect an intern does. Answered phones, helped constituents, helped research legislation, talked to the press... My advice would be forget about party affiliations, find a politician that you respect, and work for that legislator. I think that would be much more satisfying than trying to rationalize partisan issues.

*applauds*

Good post. That would be my ideal solution. However, if you're more economically minded, go republican, as they share the same economic views as libertarians. If you're more socially minded, go democrat.
Neo Kervoskia
09-09-2005, 03:11
I've been reading the responses, I will think about all of the options. Ii am mainly doing it for an internship, it is encouraged at my school. I would love to have one at the libertarian party, but they don't have an office. The Republicans are closest to my economic views, though not exact but closest.
Haloman
09-09-2005, 03:12
I've been reading the responses, I will think about all of the options. Ii am mainly doing it for an internship, it is encouraged at my school. I would love to have one at the libertarian party, but they don't have an office. The Republicans are closest to my economic views, though not exact but closest.

Just say that you are a Republican, but you don't like Bush. It'll work.
Ravenshrike
09-09-2005, 03:46
Libertarian in the smaller elections, Repub in the national ones unless there's a libertarian candidate who has even a snowflake's chance in hell of winning. Although with their current agenda, a Libertarian Party president would be fucking scary.
Isle of East America
09-09-2005, 03:49
I was a volunteer for a State Representative in Ohio. I did much of what I suspect an intern does. Answered phones, helped constituents, helped research legislation, talked to the press... My advice would be forget about party affiliations, find a politician that you respect, and work for that legislator. I think that would be much more satisfying than trying to rationalize partisan issues.


This is excellent advice and the point is to be proactive. I vote with my conscience an who I think will do a better job in the office they are running for. I've done that in every election I have participated in, from the presidency to the local city council. I vote on what will be best for my family and my community.