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Do you think it is fair that fat people should sue McDonalds for making them fat? OK, it's not like they force fed them or anything. Isn't it their fault they ate too much and became obese?

I turn my noise up at both of them............. and it's to do with more than just the smell that both kick out. :p

I'm gonna sue the Hustler magazine for giving me carpal tunnel! -Larry the Cable Guy

The sueing and that film actually made McDonalds stick some vaguely healthy things on their menu and few others followed so it can hardly be a bad thing.

I turn my noise up at both of them............. and it's to do with more than just the smell that both kick out. :p

Ha, ha. I know what you mean. At school we call a kid Cheesy Shit because he's obese and smells of cheese and slurry.
At least McDonald's smell is quite nice and makes you want to eat a burger, but that may be primarily because of the opium they inject into them!

The sueing and that film actually made McDonalds stick some vaguely healthy things on their menu and few others followed so it can hardly be a bad thing.

Didn't say it was. Though the salads have more fat and cholestrol in than their infamous Big Macs. It's the salad dressing you see. Too much grease.

Ha, ha. I know what you mean. At school we call a kid Cheesy Shit because he's obese and smells of cheese and slurry.
At least McDonald's smell is quite nice and makes you want to eat a burger, but that may be primarily because of the opium they inject into them!
There's no opium in Mc Donald's burgers. If there was I'd be eating one right now. No, it's nicotene. More addictive than Opium and totally legal.

I think people suing McDonalds for making them fat is an excellent example of our society's disturbing propensity to shun personal responsibility, invariably blaming all [or at least a good deal] of their problems on people who have more money than them.

It also highlights an interesting fact about this nation's poor: overeating is a much larger problem for them in this country than malnourishment is. And supposedly, capitalism fails to provide adequate resources for all. How cute.

There's no opium in Mc Donald's burgers. If there was I'd be eating one right now. No, it's nicotene. More addictive than Opium and totally legal.

I heard it was a refined opium they put in on 'Horizon'. Nicotine may easily be worse though if it is more addictive. Do you think it should be banned?

I think people suing McDonalds for making them fat is an excellent example of our society's disturbing propensity to shun personal responsibility, invariably blaming all [or at least a good deal] of their problems on people who have more money than them.

It also highlights an interesting fact about this nation's poor: overeating is a much larger problem for them in this country than malnourishment is. And supposedly, capitalism fails to provide adequate resources for all. How cute.

Well said. It's quite ironic how New Orleanians are starving whilst Texas eats to explosion.

I recognize that both parts are at fault, but I think the suing side is ultimately the worst.

I mean, why should you sue McDonald's because its food makes you fat? You're completely free to pick another place to eat in, yet you willfully go to the Golden Arches. Nobody forces you to eat there everyday, so you don't have the right to sue the company because you screwed up and now are obese.

Yes, McDonald's doesn't properly inform its customers the amount of fat each meal has, and that the salads actually have more calories than a Big Mac. Now, would anything change if they did? I don't think so.

In the end, the suing part will either get nothing from the company or, in the worst case scenario, have all its money taken by the corporation (for defaming it) and left in the street like a regular beggar, probably for conducting the most idiotic legal action in history.

Well said. It's quite ironic how New Orleanians are starving whilst Texas eats to explosion.
I'm not sure that's an accurate representation of what's going on. Every time I turn on the news, a new shipment of supplies has come to NO, it seems. I think the area is gathering the supplies it needs; say what you will about the speed of such efforts.

That said, I have to admit bashing Texas like this [for once] leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Houston in particular was rather quick on the draw with their hospitality towards the victims.

I'm still not sure if they do put opium in the foods but drugs like that are actually supposed to be better for you than the burgers!

I heard it was a refined opium they put in on 'Horizon'. Nicotine may easily be worse though if it is more addictive. Do you think it should be banned?

Nicotine or Mc Donalds.

MD may have added some fake health food crap to the menu, but I haven't eaten there in more than 10 years. I hate the food and the corp.

I like the way the Hardees went while MD got sued. They intoduced the thick burgar, the largest, fattest, most calorie laden burgers out there. And they taste great too.

I think people suing McDonalds for making them fat is an excellent example of our society's disturbing propensity to shun personal responsibility, invariably blaming all [or at least a good deal] of their problems on people who have more money than them.

It also highlights an interesting fact about this nation's poor: overeating is a much larger problem for them in this country than malnourishment is. And supposedly, capitalism fails to provide adequate resources for all. How cute.

I second that.

I'm not sure that's an accurate representation of what's going on. Every time I turn on the news, a new shipment of supplies has come to NO, it seems. I think the area is gathering the supplies it needs; say what you will about the speed of such efforts.

That said, I have to admit bashing Texas like this [for once] leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Houston in particular was rather quick on the draw with their hospitality towards the victims.

I think Bush is a good president. I've got nothing against the deliverance of the aid but it's a shame some people feast while others famine.

Nicotine or Mc Donalds.

MD may have added some fake health food crap to the menu, but I haven't eaten there in more than 10 years. I hate the food and the corp.

I like the way the Hardees went while MD got sued. They intoduced the thick burgar, the largest, fattest, most calorie laden burgers out there. And they taste great too.

I've never heard of a Thick Burger in England.

I shall use the words of the Holy Squriel:

"Some on should just stick you in the eye with a really hot french fry."
-To the people who sued "McDounalds"

I've never heard of a Thick Burger in England.

They are 1/3 pound to 1/2 pound patties of real beef. Most of the burgers have 2 1/3 lbs patties, fried in grease, and slathered with thinks like mayo or other dressings. I've heard them called hand held heart attacks.

Hardees is my favorite fast food burger joint becuase they aren't pretending that thier food is good for you.

They are 1/3 pound to 1/2 pound patties of real beef. Most of the burgers have 2 1/3 lbs patties, fried in grease, and slathered with thinks like mayo or other dressings. I've heard them called hand held heart attacks.

Hardees is my favorite fast food burger joint becuase they aren't pretending that thier food is good for you.
Ever hear of a Wendy's classic tripple with bacon and cheese? Three quarter pounds of nice fatty beef, three slices of cheese, and some bacon for flavor. You can't eat it without grease dribbling down your hand and arm.

Originally Posted by The New Diabolicals
I've never heard of a Thick Burger in England.

Yes, but then, England in general isn't exactly known for healthy food anyway.

Originally Posted by Wingarde
Yes, McDonald's doesn't properly inform its customers the amount of fat each meal has, and that the salads actually have more calories than a Big Mac. Now, would anything change if they did? I don't think so.

Very true. I seem to recall reading that Chili's, or Friday's, or some such place had added some healthy items to their menu, but has now quietly removed them since no one was ordering them and food was being wasted. The items are still available by request, of course, but this is a sign that people in general are not that interested.

I think Bush is a good president. I've got nothing against the deliverance of the aid but it's a shame some people feast while others famine.
I'm doing it right now, technically. So are you, I would be willing to guess. The only difference here, now, is that the people you speak of actually happen to live within our borders.

I don't think that Bush is a good president, and I don't think it's a shame that some people succeed and some don't. It's the way the world works. I really don't feel like invoking the aid figures again [since I don't know the precise number], but I think it's pretty safe to say that this country is breaking its goddamn back to help these folks. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if private donations passed $500 million.

Now, would donations of this magnitude be realistic in a more heavily taxed environment? Say, a socialist one? I doubt it.

That said, I think we're getting horrendously off-topic here. There's dozens of Hurricane Katrina threads on this forum already. I agree with you on the topic at hand, so any argument between us here about something else is probably pointless.

I think Bush is a good president. I've got nothing against the deliverance of the aid but it's a shame some people feast while others famine.

in theory, there has to be suffering to be wealth, so as long as we dont turn the world into a giant kibbutz (or communist state) then there will always be both. however, suffering often brings out the best in people, and without suffering, then there would be no good or bad either. unfortunately its the way the world works, and theres little we can do about it.

Very true. I seem to recall reading that Chili's, or Friday's, or some such place had added some healthy items to their menu, but has now quietly removed them since no one was ordering them and food was being wasted. The items are still available by request, of course, but this is a sign that people in general are not that interested.
Exactly, it's a moronic, greedy move with tiny chances of success.

The lawsuits are valid simply because it is their right.

It would be far worst to start defining what is a valid lawsuit.

[QUOTE=New Exodus]Yes, but then, England in general isn't exactly known for healthy food anyway.



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a standard cod and chips is probably not quite as bad for you as a big mac meal. British cooking is most certainly underrated

Ever hear of a Wendy's classic tripple with bacon and cheese? Three quarter pounds of nice fatty beef, three slices of cheese, and some bacon for flavor. You can't eat it without grease dribbling down your hand and arm.

Its 40 miles to the nearist Wendy's, but yes, i love the that burger too. The thing with hardees is that 1/3lbs is the smallest burger on the menu.

If you eat the food, you have no right to sue for being fat. Just like you have no right to sue tobbaco companies either. No one held a gun to your head and made you eat at MD's or smoke. But I guess personel responsibility is an old fashioned notion.

I think Bush is a good president. I've got nothing against the deliverance of the aid but it's a shame some people feast while others famine.
A bit off-topic, but you realized that NOW? Famine's been very common in Third World countries all over the globe for hundreds of years, yet developed nations "feast" frequently, not giving a flying f**k about them until they have the same problem inside their borders.

Sorry, I had to say it.

If the suits against MD are successful, then who or what will be the next target?

Customers eating regularly at any restaurant will be able to choose high-calory food and blame the establishment for their weight gain? Blame the soft drink companies because you get cavities?

People are given basic dietary education in school, the media is an endless supply of current dietary thinking, the libraries, bookstores, and the internet have information for anyone interested in personal diet and health. I don't see how anyone can plead ignorance to gaining weight while eating at MD's.

MD's posts a dietary information chart on the wall. I know this because I have a diabetic child - and one look at that chart ruled out MD's for a meal, except in emergencies.

*snip*

Faith in humanity: +1.

It's always nice to read something refreshingly coherent and ultimately correct as this.

The lawsuit is not valid. Lawsuits are only valid when the defendants are at fault in a way that caused the prosecuting party to sue in the first place. I know I worded that wrong, but the lawsuit isn't valid because only the prosecuting party, or the party suing, is at fault for the situation. It's like someone jumping in front of a moving bus just to sue the bus company for hiring bad drivers.

MD's posts a dietary information chart on the wall. I know this because I have a diabetic child - and one look at that chart ruled out MD's for a meal, except in emergencies.
Less than half of the McShacks actually have that chart anywhere visible.

Less than half of the McShacks actually have that chart anywhere visible.
And guess what? They're violating a corporate statute. I think it's also a law too, which is kind of superfluous, but hey. I don't think it's even really enforced unless a Health Department honcho happens to notice it while he's in line.

Furthermore, if you can't tell that shit's bad for you jsut by looking at it, your dietary issues are probably not actually your greatest concern. I would think that this kind of mentality lends itself to bad decision making in every area of life, not just diet.

when i saw this thread, i grimaced (pun intended) and thought:

a) Ronald was seen, by a member of PETA, stepping on a bug and the PETA rep told the PETA execs and they filed a lawsuit against McDonald's on account of Ronald's cruelty toward bugs and reckless insensitivity toward their plight.

b) Ronald's hair is found to be made from horse manes (then dyed, of course)... and PETA is suing over that.

c)Someone's kid ran into Ronald, fell down, and scraped his elbow or knee... and the kid's mom is suing McDonald's because of her kid's recklessness and poor balance.

d) Some old lady asked Ronald if the coffee was hot... ronald said yes, it is hot, please drink with caution... the lady took a sip, dropped the cup, and spilled her forewarned HOT coffee all over herself... and has the gall to sue McDonald's because ronald didn't tell her that the coffee was scalding hot.

And guess what? They're violating a corporate statute. I think it's also a law too, which is kind of superfluous, but hey. I don't think it's even really enforced unless a Health Department honcho happens to notice it while he's in line.

Furthermore, if you can't tell that shit's bad for you jsut by looking at it, your dietary issues are probably not actually your greatest concern. I would think that this kind of mentality lends itself to bad decision making in every area of life, not just diet.
I know, I wasn't defending McDonald's with that point. :p

Anyway, about your second statement, whether someone notices his/her food is not particularly healthy is irrelevant. They can eat it anyway and sue the company if the dangerous ingredients were not explicitly shown somewhere, just for the hell of it. That's why many American products have lots of seemingly moronic warnings:

- A scooter with the warning "This product moves when used."

- A digital thermometer with the advice "Once used rectally, the thermometer should not be used orally."

- An electric blender used for chopping and dicing that reminds users to "Never remove food or other items from the blades while the product is operating."

- And a three-inch bag of air used for packaging that read "Do not use this product as a toy, pillow, or flotation device."

They're hilarious, but they must be there to prevent people with a huge level of idiocy from actually making that kind of mistakes and sue the manufacturer for that.

I know, I wasn't defending McDonald's with that point. :p

Anyway, about your second statement, whether someone notices his/her food is not particularly healthy is irrelevant. They can eat it anyway and sue the company if the dangerous ingredients were not explicitly shown somewhere, just for the hell of it. That's why many American products have lots of seemingly moronic warnings:

- A scooter with the warning "This product moves when used."

- A digital thermometer with the advice "Once used rectally, the thermometer should not be used orally."

- An electric blender used for chopping and dicing that reminds users to "Never remove food or other items from the blades while the product is operating."

- And a three-inch bag of air used for packaging that read "Do not use this product as a toy, pillow, or flotation device."

They're hilarious, but they must be there to prevent people with a huge level of idiocy from actually making that kind of mistakes and sue the manufacturer for that.

on chainsaws "Do not attemp to stop chain with fingers or genitals"

If there is a warning lable on something, its because someone already sued for it.

on chainsaws "Do not attemp to stop chain with fingers or genitals"

If there is a warning lable on something, its because someone already sued for it.
Exactly, morons are more creative than the labelling guys. :D

People go to McDonalds to eat fatty food! That is the entire point, to eat unhealthy greasy reconstituted deep fat fried "food"! If you don't want it, then don't eat it! Don't complain because your a pig and ate too much! STOP EATING FATSO! Last, if you want healthy choices then eat somewhere else. Take responsibility and stop suing over every little thing because your a greedy bastard! I can't possibly see why this simple concept this is hard for some people to understand! :mad:

People go to McDonalds to eat fatty food! That is the entire point, to eat unhealthy greasy reconstituted deep fat fried "food"! If you don't want it, then don't eat it! Don't complain because your a pig and ate too much! STOP EATING FATSO! Last, if you want healthy choices then eat somewhere else. Take responsibility and stop suing over every little thing because your a greedy bastard! I can't possibly see why this simple concept this is hard for some people to understand! :mad:Are you implying that members of the American electorate, the people with the vote in the US are somehow responsible for this? I say the US because this apparently is solely a US problem. Absurd and no politician with a hope of reelection will go for it, it MUST be the fault off some big heartless corporation. Further McDonalds is a big corporation, therefore they are evil by defintion and responsible for any harm caused by anything they have ever had any impact upon. These are decent hardworking people we are talking about, they cannot be responsible for any harm which comes to them, it MUST be someone elses fault.

Oh, but it isn't McDonalds fault really, because Bush was behind it. Forget I said anything.

Are you implying that members of the American electorate, the people with the vote in the US are somehow responsible for this? I say the US because this apparently is solely a US problem. Absurd and no politician with a hope of reelection will go for it, it MUST be the fault off some big heartless corporation. Further McDonalds is a big corporation, therefore they are evil by defintion and responsible for any harm caused by anything they have ever had any impact upon. These are decent hardworking people we are talking about, they cannot be responsible for any harm which comes to them, it MUST be someone elses fault.

Oh, but it isn't McDonalds fault really, because Bush was behind it. Forget I said anything.

How much of this is sarcasm? McDonald's may be a big corporation but suing for making you fat is really dumb. What did you think eating all those Big Macs and french fries were going to do? But I guess people are dumb so you need to put warning labels on everything like: WARNING: COFFEE IS HOT! Really? You don't say?
The coffee is hot... :rolleyes:

How much of this is sarcasm? McDonald's may be a big corporation but suing for making you fat is really dumb. What did you think eating all those Big Macs and french fries were going to do? But I guess people are dumb so you need to put warning labels on everything like: WARNING: COFFEE IS HOT! Really? You don't say?
The coffee is hot... :rolleyes:All of it. Seriously though, you ought to look at the legnths taken in "pedal misapplication" (people hitting the gas instead of the brake) to ensure that people were not told they were responsible for their stupidity. I'll see if I can find link for you.

MD's posts a dietary information chart on the wall. I know this because I have a diabetic child - and one look at that chart ruled out MD's for a meal, except in emergencies.
In Eastern Europe you get a chart on your tray with your meal. I had a look at one my friend got (I don't eat at MD's) and, though I only had a vague idea of what columns displayed what (in terms of 'nutritional' information - carbohydrates, fat, protein, etc), it still made interesting reading. Sadly, I've now chucked it, but, if I remember correctly, 6 chicken nuggets contain over 1 gram of salt each (average recommended daily salt intake for an adult male: 6 grams), and almost 3 grams of fat (per nugget). Weight of six chicken nuggets: about 85 grams. Ok, this is only one particular product, and I have (deliberately) picked one of the worst, but this information is available to customers, either on request, or if they just take 2 minutes to look for it, yet they still eat there.
Yet it's still right to let them sue. After all, the US, the UK etc are free countries. The problem is if they win. The corporations are perfectly justified in selling us crap, provided they tell us what precisely the crap is. It's our own choice to buy the crap.

Ever hear of a Wendy's classic tripple with bacon and cheese? Three quarter pounds of nice fatty beef, three slices of cheese, and some bacon for flavor. You can't eat it without grease dribbling down your hand and arm.

the classic triple has two slices of cheese... didn't know they had a model with bacon. hehe

i love Thickburgers, but they've moved Hardee's out of the (truly) fast-food niche... you have to wait for them.

my favorite is still the six-dollar burger... but if i have the appetite i'll go for the 2/3 pound monster thickburger or one of the other 2/3 pound models.

try this link:http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cjm_18.htm

I didn't realize it had reared it's head again, but the jeep cheerokee is currently the cause fo contention for something similar:http://www.riccilaw.com/FSL5CS/Noteworthy%20Results/Noteworthy%20Results40.asp

In the year since MDs has introduced their new "healthy" range the company has made more money for a single year than for the last twenty years, so although it's rubbish healthy food people do believe it!

But to sue MDs for making you fat? Complete bollocks, in fact we all may as well go and sue all the chocolate companys for giving us bad teeth!

try this link:http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cjm_18.htm

I didn't realize it had reared it's head again, but the jeep cheerokee is currently the cause fo contention for something similar:http://www.riccilaw.com/FSL5CS/Noteworthy%20Results/Noteworthy%20Results40.asp

Like I always thought, people have a need to blame others when something goes wrong. Judges need to really clamp down on frivelous lawsuits. Perhaps then the ones that have merit will actually not take years to get through.

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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! first they are too lazy to excersise and not eat Macdonalds.....then they sue them because they go and eat there and get fat.WTF?

you know what the best part is after they get the money they will use it at macdonalds. :p

hay why dont you get up and excersise and shit and not eat from macdonalds....ohhhh but no that would be sensible,wouldn't it.

Down with the capitalist pig-dogs! Too bad I like McDonalds food... :(

People need to learn how to exercise free will more to their advantage. Overeating to the point of obesity is sinful- and winning an award in a lawsuit because of it? You'll be fat and have some cash-likely blow a good deal on things that are bad for you and wind up still fat, with less money and a whole host of health problems.
I would rather be fit and not have the cash. Food like McDonald's- if eaten at all- should be on occaison, not regularly.
People have to start taking some responsibilty for what they do to themselves.

Some of the warning labels on products are insulting to people that can think. And the ones these warnings are targeting? Can they read to begin with and if so, do you really think they would read a label?

Maybe its survival of the fittest.

Like I always thought, people have a need to blame others when something goes wrong. Judges need to really clamp down on frivelous lawsuits. Perhaps then the ones that have merit will actually not take years to get through.


Years ago, these same people were the "slip and fall" victims. Then carpal tunnel syndrome and whip lash.
Its always someone else's fault, if that someone happens to have a deep pocket.

Are you implying that members of the American electorate, the people with the vote in the US are somehow responsible for this? I say the US because this apparently is solely a US problem. Absurd and no politician with a hope of reelection will go for it, it MUST be the fault off some big heartless corporation. Further McDonalds is a big corporation, therefore they are evil by defintion and responsible for any harm caused by anything they have ever had any impact upon. These are decent hardworking people we are talking about, they cannot be responsible for any harm which comes to them, it MUST be someone elses fault.

Oh, but it isn't McDonalds fault really, because Bush was behind it. Forget I said anything.

Ever thought about a carreer in civil law?

So, whats the solution. I think that we should just ban stupid people, as in anyone who doesn't think that they are responsible for their own actions, from having children.

Unfortunatly, Congress rights the laws, and I would want to include most of them in the stupid group.

I think people suing McDonalds for making them fat is an excellent example of our society's disturbing propensity to shun personal responsibility, invariably blaming all [or at least a good deal] of their problems on people who have more money than them.

It also highlights an interesting fact about this nation's poor: overeating is a much larger problem for them in this country than malnourishment is. And supposedly, capitalism fails to provide adequate resources for all. How cute.

I wouldn't say that. Remember that capitalism exists outside the US.

I wouldn't say that. Remember that capitalism exists outside the US.
No one's closer to it than us, and no one else on the globe is better off. Coincidence? I doubt it. Compared with the aggregate living conditions anywhere else in the left [present or past] I would bet my bollocks to a barn dance on capitalism every time.

So, whats the solution. I think that we should just ban stupid people, as in anyone who doesn't think that they are responsible for their own actions, from having children.

Unfortunatly, Congress rights the laws, and I would want to include most of them in the stupid group.

The problem will remain as long as there are greed and deep pockets to rob.

I feel that tort reform is the only solution. The most simple approach would be to require the party losing the civil suit to pay court costs, which I understand can be substantial.

Presently there is no financial risk to the party wishing to file a civil suit - no matter how frivolous - as long as sleazy attorneys are willing to take civil cases on contingency. The attorney assumes the financial risk.

Make a frivolous lawsuit cost and you'll have less of them.

I know, I wasn't defending McDonald's with that point. :p

Anyway, about your second statement, whether someone notices his/her food is not particularly healthy is irrelevant. They can eat it anyway and sue the company if the dangerous ingredients were not explicitly shown somewhere, just for the hell of it. That's why many American products have lots of seemingly moronic warnings:

- A scooter with the warning "This product moves when used."

- A digital thermometer with the advice "Once used rectally, the thermometer should not be used orally."

- An electric blender used for chopping and dicing that reminds users to "Never remove food or other items from the blades while the product is operating."

- And a three-inch bag of air used for packaging that read "Do not use this product as a toy, pillow, or flotation device."

They're hilarious, but they must be there to prevent people with a huge level of idiocy from actually making that kind of mistakes and sue the manufacturer for that.

I think the funniest one I ever heard was on the commerical for I think Dish Network. It was the commerical talking about moving and at the end when they were unpacking there was a worker in the box. The disclaimer was "man in box not included"

I laughed so hard at that.



People need to learn how to exercise free will more to their advantage. Overeating to the point of obesity is sinful-

Its not Sinful its just moronic.

I'm gonna sue the Hustler magazine for giving me carpal tunnel! -Larry the Cable Guy

In theory I can sue Taco Bell for the aftermath at 3AM. :D

Do you think it is fair that fat people should sue McDonalds for making them fat? OK, it's not like they force fed them or anything. Isn't it their fault they ate too much and became obese?

McDonald's does not "make people fat"; people who are fat through eating McDonald's food, are fat because they choose to be.

Simple concept; you don't sue Ford, when you are hit by a car.
You don't sue Smith&Wesson when you accidently shoot yourself while cleaning your gun.
And...
You don't sue McDonald's for patronizing their business and getting fat from eating the food there.

It's this compensation culture that is developing, one where people are no longer capable of dealing with the consequences of their actions, and need to shove the blame elsewhere...... It happens from the President on down to almost every Tom, Dick, Harry, Jane and Sally in America.

Do you think it is fair that fat people should sue McDonalds for making them fat? OK, it's not like they force fed them or anything. Isn't it their fault they ate too much and became obese?

No it isn't! Not there fault that kids eat there 4 times a day and get the largest size possible.

In reality, the parents should be brought up on charges.