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Between 1985, and 1996, the Red Cross tested more then 1.6 million blood donors of HIV. Only 28 tested positive, and only 1 was a high school student.

Now...look at today.

WTF?

Ze people! Zey like to fuck like ze rabbits!

Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20

Compared to the rest of the world, AIDS is practically non-existent in the US. Check out the per capita totals for Haiti or the African continent and get some perspective. Haiti has more total cases of HIV/AIDS than the US does--that's a problem.

Between 1985, and 1996, the Red Cross tested more then 1.6 million blood donors of HIV. Only 28 tested positive, and only 1 was a high school student.

Now...look at today.

WTF?

Are more people with HIV trying to donate blood perhaps?

People are jaded. And stupid. They see AIDS as "managable" so they aren't as careful as they used to be. Idiots.

People are jaded. And stupid. They see AIDS as "managable" so they aren't as careful as they used to be. Idiots.

That's the prevailing attitude today though. People no-longer see it as a death sentence, but rather a chronic illness.

That's the prevailing attitude today though. People no-longer see it as a death sentence, but rather a chronic illness.

Which is just fucked up. Sure, if you don't get a resistant strain, you'll live a considerable while with it, but the drugs have horrible, terrifying side-effects and will not stop you from eventually dying a nightmarish death.

Which is just fucked up. Sure, if you don't get a resistant strain, you'll live a considerable while with it, but the drugs have horrible, terrifying side-effects and will not stop you from eventually dying a nightmarish death.

I know that, but the plain fact is no-one wants to talk about it. In fact, dwelling upon it can sometimes get one labeled as a homophobe, which is frankly ridiculous.

I know that, but the plain fact is no-one wants to talk about it. In fact, dwelling upon it can sometimes get one labeled as a homophobe, which is frankly ridiculous.

Huh?

Huh?

Sure, if you start yammering on about how bad aids is, some people assume you have something against homosexuals. Probably because a lot of religious people claim that it is punishment from god, or some such. Therefore anyone who points out that AIDS is, in fact, a death sentence is grouped in with them.

Look, I'll prove it. A few days from now, I'll start a thread saying what a bad disease aids is, and how it is a terrible way to die &c. I am willing to bet, at some point, I will be called a homophobe fore suggesting that it is not a manageable disease and that there is no cure available in the foreseeable future, despite all the money that has been spent upon it.

Between 1985, and 1996, the Red Cross tested more then 1.6 million blood donors of HIV. Only 28 tested positive, and only 1 was a high school student.

Now...look at today.

WTF?
Cause sex is glorified and people can't keep it in thier pants

Because people are stupid and have sex with people that have AIDS.

Cure for AIDS: Once you contract AIDS, you die in 5 seconds. Then it will not spread, since the carriers will be dead and (hopefully) buried so they cannot infect others.

And let's remember: The tail doesn't wag the dog, the dog wags the tail.

REMEMBER THAT

and stay AIDS free people.

less promiscuous sex plz.

Sure, if you start yammering on about how bad aids is, some people assume you have something against homosexuals. Probably because a lot of religious people claim that it is punishment from god, or some such. Therefore anyone who points out that AIDS is, in fact, a death sentence is grouped in with them.

Look, I'll prove it. A few days from now, I'll start a thread saying what a bad disease aids is, and how it is a terrible way to die &c. I am willing to bet, at some point, I will be called a homophobe fore suggesting that it is not a manageable disease and that there is no cure available in the foreseeable future, despite all the money that has been spent upon it.
But what does that have to do with homophobia? I don't get it... :confused:

Sure, if you start yammering on about how bad aids is, some people assume you have something against homosexuals. Probably because a lot of religious people claim that it is punishment from god, or some such. Therefore anyone who points out that AIDS is, in fact, a death sentence is grouped in with them.

Look, I'll prove it. A few days from now, I'll start a thread saying what a bad disease aids is, and how it is a terrible way to die &c. I am willing to bet, at some point, I will be called a homophobe fore suggesting that it is not a manageable disease and that there is no cure available in the foreseeable future, despite all the money that has been spent upon it.
That's gay.

But what does that have to do with homophobia? I don't get it... :confused:

It's the way america operates. If you say aids is bad, you must be a homophobe. Just like if you say inner city children do poorly at school you are a racist.

But what does that have to do with homophobia? I don't get it... :confused:

Because homosexuals have sex with alot of other homosexuals, and alot of them have AIDS due to unprotected sex (due to no chance of pregnancy), and the only reason they would wear a condom is to prevent disease.

The worst thing to happen is when bisexuals start having sex with both men and women, thereby infecting both the hetero- and homosexual populations.

Because people are stupid and have sex with people that have AIDS.

Cure for AIDS: Once you contract AIDS, you die in 5 seconds. Then it will not spread, since the carriers will be dead and (hopefully) buried so they cannot infect others.

And let's remember: The tail doesn't wag the dog, the dog wags the tail.

REMEMBER THAT

and stay AIDS free people.

less promiscuous sex plz.
Just practice safe sex. Use condoms people. Dirty wild sex & tons of partners doesn't give you HIV. Not using a condom does.

Because homosexuals have sex with alot of other homosexuals, and alot of them have AIDS due to unprotected sex (due to no chance of pregnancy), and the only reason they would wear a condom is to prevent disease.

The worst thing to happen is when bisexuals start having sex with both men and women, thereby infecting both the hetero- and homosexual populations.
Seriously... Do you guys think there's something inherently homosexual about HIV?

That's gay.

Now, THAT is some seriously funny sh*t.

Sure, if you start yammering on about how bad aids is, some people assume you have something against homosexuals. Probably because a lot of religious people claim that it is punishment from god, or some such. Therefore anyone who points out that AIDS is, in fact, a death sentence is grouped in with them.

Look, I'll prove it. A few days from now, I'll start a thread saying what a bad disease aids is, and how it is a terrible way to die &c. I am willing to bet, at some point, I will be called a homophobe fore suggesting that it is not a manageable disease and that there is no cure available in the foreseeable future, despite all the money that has been spent upon it.

Try it. I've never seen anything like that happen when AIDS, the disease, and not some silly notions homophobes have, has been discussed.

Seriously... Do you guys think there's something inherently homosexual about HIV?
It's their lisps what does it.

The worst thing to happen is when bisexuals start having sex with both men and women, thereby infecting both the hetero- and homosexual populations.

Yeah, it only gets "bad" or "worst" when straight people are affected. :rolleyes:

Seriously... Do you guys think there's something inherently homosexual about HIV?

Compare the per capita percentage of AIDS in the homosexual population with the per capita percentage of AIDS in the heterosexual population in developed countries like the USA, UK and Australia.

In Australia we have been successful in limiting AIDS and HIV pretty much to homosexuals.

Compare the per capita percentage of AIDS in the homosexual population with the per capita percentage of AIDS in the heterosexual population in developed countries like the USA, UK and Australia.

In Australia we have been successful in limiting AIDS and HIV pretty much to homosexuals.
That is why Australians are immortal.

In Australia we have been successful in limiting AIDS and HIV pretty much to homosexuals.And why is that something to be proud of?

And why is that something to be proud of?

Because gay people just never count.

Because gay people just never count.But if they don't count, how did they make it into a statistic?

At this point I'd like to ask Play With Me to give links to those statistics.

But if they don't count, how did they make it into a statistic?

At this point I'd like to ask Play With Me to give links to those statistics.
No, it's not that they don't count it's that they can't count. Gay people don't have fingers.

No, it's not that they don't count it's that they can't count. Gay people don't have fingers.Then how does Fass manage to post? :confused:

seeing as I can't sleep tonight, here are some interesting stats...

2003:
405,926 people with AIDS in USA
36% are white
77% are men
11% contracted AIDS from heterosexual contact

That leaves only 12377 white males with AIDS who contracted it heterosexually in all of the USA.

I actually just had an HIV test done today...which came out negative.

http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

But if they don't count, how did they make it into a statistic?

They make it into the statistics with "but it's mostly gay people affected" so people don't need to care when that's the case. That's the way it was in the beginning of the epidemic and that's the way it is today.

It gets to be annoying in the end, you know, when the statistics are used to either diminish gay people, or are trotted out as something to hit gay people over the head with.

At this point I'd like to ask Play With Me to give links to those statistics.

They are correct. IIRC, 85% of HIV transmissions in Australia were among men who have sex with men. There are however signs that this pattern is changing and that Australia may be going the same way as the UK, where some time ago transmission percentages between heterosexuals went past those of men who have sex with men.

Then how does Fass manage to post? :confused:

Apparently I've been using a Stephen Hawking styled voice-box computer to do it and I hadn't even noticed. ;)

Ze people! Zey like to fuck like ze rabbits!
Once again Proffessor Colodiavick is correct.

I think the question ought to be rephrased:

What is important to get an idea about AIDS awarnes in any country is not the number of people currently living with the disease, but the number of new infections.
The people living with AIDS now may have been infected anytime between the early 90s and now, that number doesn't say if people are more aware today than they were when the disease was dicovered.

I couldn't find any statistics yet, but I'm still looking...

Between 1985, and 1996, the Red Cross tested more then 1.6 million blood donors of HIV. Only 28 tested positive, and only 1 was a high school student.

Now...look at today.

WTF?
Because from 1985 -1996 a large segment of the population (homosexuals) which are excluded by the Red Cross from being donors just didn't donate blood, however someone got the bright idea that this was discrimination against homosexuals so they started donating again often without notifying the Red Cross that they were homosexuals. About the same period other donor exclusions were changed which also increased the possibility of infection (people who traveled to Haiti or Africa after 1979 became people people who traveled to Africa or Haiti in the past 7 years). This meant a change in the donor pool. Add in the heterosexuals who were sure they didn't have to worry about it, which ballooned in the 1990s and poof.

HIV/AIDS is a chronic illness. At least, that is what it will be considered here soon by Medicare and the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

I have the latest epidemiological surveillance reports from the CDC and the Illinois Department of Public Health from my work. I might dig them out, just can't do it right now until I finish this paper!

seeing as I can't sleep tonight, here are some interesting stats...

2003:
405,926 people with AIDS in USA
36% are white
77% are men
11% contracted AIDS from heterosexual contact

That leaves only 12377 white males with AIDS who contracted it heterosexually in all of the USA.


Since the statistics say nothing about the race of males with HIV you can't just take 77% of 36% of 11% of 405,926. It would be nice if you could, but it's an abuse of the statistics.

I really, really hope that someone else has pointed out by now that there isn't hardly any AIDS in this country. As far as local problems go, it is certainly nothing to be worried about. 405,000 people in the US with AIDS compared to 299,550,000 people without AIDS in this country means NO AIDS EPIDEMIC.

This is one of those alarmist cases where I had thought the parties responsible for perpetuating it had been demonstrated as having their heads thoroughly embedded in their anal cavity. I guess some folks are prepared to accept anything...

Because people have short memories and don't remember that AIDS can kill you and condoms can prevent it. Also the "Abstinance only" sex ed classes and the high rates of illegal drugs at parties and clubs don't help. People who don't know about condoms won't use them, people who are high and horny don't make good judgements about condom use.

I really, really hope that someone else has pointed out by now that there isn't hardly any AIDS in this country. As far as local problems go, it is certainly nothing to be worried about. 405,000 people in the US with AIDS compared to 299,550,000 people without AIDS in this country means NO AIDS EPIDEMIC.

This is one of those alarmist cases where I had thought the parties responsible for perpetuating it had been demonstrated as having their heads thoroughly embedded in their anal cavity. I guess some folks are prepared to accept anything...
True, but we must keep reminding people that AIDS does exist so that they'll take precautions and keep the infection rate low.

I really, really hope that someone else has pointed out by now that there isn't hardly any AIDS in this country. As far as local problems go, it is certainly nothing to be worried about. 405,000 people in the US with AIDS compared to 299,550,000 people without AIDS in this country means NO AIDS EPIDEMIC.

This is one of those alarmist cases where I had thought the parties responsible for perpetuating it had been demonstrated as having their heads thoroughly embedded in their anal cavity. I guess some folks are prepared to accept anything...

An epidemic is the rapid and extensive spreading of an infection and affecting many individuals in an area (or population). AIDS is not an infection or disease. HIV is. So, technically, there isn't an AIDS epidemic. There is, however, an HIV epidemic.

The Force Majeure II, you are being very deceptive in your presentation of the quantitative data. You are correct, 11.6% were exposed through heterosexual contact. 23.4% were IDUs, 57% were MSM, and 9% are MSM/IDU. What is not published on Avert, NIAID, CDC and other organizations online is the epidemiological suirveillance data that is most up to date. According to my data, there is over 1.1 million cases of HIV/AIDS in the US. Roughly 1/3rd of those cases DO NOT KNOW that they are infected.

To give you a general idea, I'll give you a rough breakdown of Illinois' HIV/AIDS Case Reports, done by ranked race and risk.

WHITE MSM account for 26.32% of all cases in Illinois
BLACK MSM account for 19.36% of all cases in Illinois
BLACK IDU account for 14.01% of all cases in Illinois
BLACK HRH account for 12.90% of all cases in Illinois
LATINO MSM account for 7.74% of all cases in Illinois
LATINO HRH account for 4.30% of all cases in Illinois
WHITE IDU account for 3.83% of all cases in Illinois
WHITE HRH account for 4.30% of all cases in Illinois
BLACK MSM/IDU account for 2.88% of all cases in Illinois
LATINO IDU account for 1.82% of all cases in Illinois
WHITE MSM/IDU account for 1.53% of all cases in Illinois
A-PI/O MSM account for .67% of all cases in Illinois
LATINO MSM/IDU account for .61% of all cases in Illinois
A-PI/O HRH account for .29% of all cases in Illinois
A-PI/O IDU account for .14% of all cases in Illinois
A-PI/O MSM/IDU account for .03% of all cases in Illinois

In this, perinatal cases are excluded. Risk not reported cases are excluded, as well are Race not reported. This covers cases reported as living during the period of 7/1/1999 to 7/27/2004. Unfortunately I cannot release the most up to date information, due to the fact that it is not complete (And I would get in a lot of trouble).

While this covers Illinois, it gives you a general idea of HIV/AIDS cases throughout the country broken down by ranked race and risk categories.

MSM is Men who have sex with Men
AP-I/O is Asian Pacific Islander / Other
IDU is Injection Drug User
HRH is High Risk Heterosexual

Transmission via heterosexual contact is on the rise. HIV transmission continues to disproportionally affect minority and ethnic groups.

Also, one should also cite the cumulative (estimated) number of diagnoses of AIDS (which is over 930,000). And the cumulative (estimated) number of deaths (530,000+) and the (estimated) number of deaths since the most recent published data by the CDC (18,018 I believe)

Number one cause is stupidity, manifested in carelessness, promiscuity and ignorance. That would seem to be the only reason, unless there's some kind of vast conspiracy.
I thought there was virtually no AIDS or HIV in the USA and Europe.

Number one cause is stupidity, manifested in carelessness, promiscuity and ignorance. That would seem to be the only reason, unless there's some kind of vast conspiracy.
I thought there was virtually no AIDS or HIV in the USA and Europe.

How is it stupidity if they are ignorant to the situation?

How is it stupidity if they are ignorant to the situation? Stupidity permeates the whole of humanity. Maybe not their stupidity, but the stupidity of those whose responsibility it is to tell them.

Since the statistics say nothing about the race of males with HIV you can't just take 77% of 36% of 11% of 405,926. It would be nice if you could, but it's an abuse of the statistics.

I'm willing to bet that it isn't far off, unless there is some severe skewing in the data.

I found the actual stats for white males:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html

So it's 32% instead of 36%...of course this site includes those with HIV too, not just full-blown AIDS

Because the money is in the treatment, and not the cure.

I really, really hope that someone else has pointed out by now that there isn't hardly any AIDS in this country. As far as local problems go, it is certainly nothing to be worried about. 405,000 people in the US with AIDS compared to 299,550,000 people without AIDS in this country means NO AIDS EPIDEMIC.

This is one of those alarmist cases where I had thought the parties responsible for perpetuating it had been demonstrated as having their heads thoroughly embedded in their anal cavity. I guess some folks are prepared to accept anything...
Don't be a dick mel, if we didn't jump on it, and jump on it fast, it would be far worse then it is today.

Because the money is in the treatment, and not the cure.

Gilead and Glaxosmithkline both have drugs in the making that are looking good at preventing HIV infection. The drugs bind to the CCR5 on T-cells, making the HIV unable to bind to the T-cells. The problem is clinical trials, and finding an ethical way of testing the drugs.

Gilead's prevention "vaccine" is undergoing clinical trials, but there has been a huge uproar of advocacy groups that are advocating for the rights of the testees. They want to insure that if they are infected, they are guaranteed life long medical care by Gilead.

There are also numerous independant research firms that are working on a cure. It isn't just the pharmaceutical giants.

And also, the White House data is 5 years old.

People are stupid and don't wrap it up, even though I'm in a monogamous relationship, I use protection, I talk find out more.

Too many people are after booty calls and don't bother to realize that there are diseases. Though as soon as I say that I prefer monogamous relationships with a lot of talking, people around me ridicule me as a effeminate man and call me gay. The joke will be on them in 20 years when they are in a hospital bed, 'cause they were 'players' and I'll be dancing on their grave. And morality crew, don't bother yelling at me, I've already booked my seat in Hell. *dances on several graves*

People are stupid and don't wrap it up, even though I'm in a monogamous relationship, I use protection, I talk find out more.

Too many people are after booty calls and don't bother to realize that there are diseases. Though as soon as I say that I prefer monogamous relationships with a lot of talking, people around me ridicule me as a effeminate man and call me gay. The joke will be on them in 20 years when they are in a hospital bed, 'cause they were 'players' and I'll be dancing on their grave. And morality crew, don't bother yelling at me, I've already booked my seat in Hell. *dances on several graves*

Well I'm glad to see you bring a positive caring attitude to the table.

Anyone see this Rolling Stone article? Fucking insane.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5933610?rnd=1126232676902&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

In no way do I think this should be used as a reflection of the gay community. Some people are just sick.

Any of you hear about a gene called Delta 32?

Anyone see this Rolling Stone article? Fucking insane.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5933610?rnd=1126232676902&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

In no way do I think this should be used as a reflection of the gay community. Some people are just sick.

I don't believe that is being used as a reflection of the gay community. However, bug chasering is a very real threat. I as a representative of the youth population within the State of Illinois on the Illinois Prevention Community Planning group, working with the Illinois Department of Public Health, have not met ONE person who is under the misguided belief that bug chasing is not of significant importance

I don't believe that is being used as a reflection of the gay community. However, bug chasering is a very real threat. I as a representative of the youth population within the State of Illinois on the Illinois Prevention Community Planning group, working with the Illinois Department of Public Health, have not met ONE person who is under the misguided belief that bug chasing is not of significant importance

So people actually do that? It's not just a scary rolling stone article?

So people actually do that? It's not just a scary rolling stone article?
I second the question. It takes all kinds but some I just have real difficulty imagining.

Any of you hear about a gene called Delta 32?


That have anything to do with this?

"When a mutation is a good thing A variant of the gene for CKR-5 occured in some people. This variant was missing a short stretch of genetic information (termed a 32 base-pair deletion) that would cause a defect in their CKR-5 receptor . This defect prevents CKR-5 from appearing on the surface of their cells. In effect the key in the lock needed by HIV to gain entry into macrophages has been taken away or distorted. In one study, about 3% of uninfected (exposed) individuals were found to have two copies of this defective gene (homozygotes) whereas not one of 1,343 infected individuals were homozygous for the gene. Protection against HIV infection did NOT depend on the route of exposure to HIV; IVDUs, hemophiliacs and homosexuals that were homozygous (carried two copies) for the abnormal CKR-5 were all HIV negative.

Resistance to HIV in the remaining 80% of uninfected individuals with normal CKR-5 genes has to come from other factors! There are studies of Latin Americans, Africans, and Japanese that show resistance to infection. Mutations in other chemokine receptors have subsequently been reported in resistnce to HIV disease.

One copy of the gene seems to slow progression to AIDS by several years in infected individuals.

About 20% of Caucasians have one copy of the gene, about 10% have two copies. Among Caucasian europeans the gene is more common in Northern Europeans. The gene is virtually absent in Africans, Native Americans and Asians.

1-2% of African-Americans posses the gene, probably as of more recent intermarriage between Afrcans and Caucasians in the Americas.

It is hypothesized that a devastating epidemic swept through Europe may thousands of years ago that, like HIV, used a nomal CKR-5 protein. Those survivors with a mutant gene survived and reproduced. Natural selection favors the survival and reproduction of the fittest and the gene consequently became more abundant in these populations over time."


http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/Biology/ctoebe/resist.htm

I second the question. It takes all kinds but some I just have real difficulty imagining.

Yes, it is true. There have been similar articles on Gay.com, and on the various websites that provide services to MSM who wish to engage in unsafe sex (I could provide examples, but I am quite sure that the moderators would appreciate that).

The barebacking community is by no means small. The bug chasing community is a smaller group within this. And while it is much smaller, it is still significant as it hinders our efforts (Subcontractors for the State Public Health Departments and CDC) at prevention.

Who cares about the relativley tiny HIV issue in America? The real deal is Africa where huge numbers of people are dying. Not only is the rate of infection higher across the sexuality board (thus rendering this weak homosexual discussion irrelevant) but the death rate is higher because the drugs that we all take for granted (yes with the horrible side effects and the money grubbing companies who make them) are not affordable and are not being taken properly.

I blame the punk-ass pope who runs around the largely catholic countries of africa shouting at people with his god-stick for using any form of contraception, including condoms. Once this guy gets his act in gear we might have a shot at cutting infection rates.

Who cares about the relativley tiny HIV issue in America? The real deal is Africa where huge numbers of people are dying. Not only is the rate of infection higher across the sexuality board (thus rendering this weak homosexual discussion irrelevant) but the death rate is higher because the drugs that we all take for granted (yes with the horrible side effects and the money grubbing companies who make them) are not affordable and are not being taken properly.

I blame the punk-ass pope who runs around the largely catholic countries of africa shouting at people with his god-stick for using any form of contraception, including condoms. Once this guy gets his act in gear we might have a shot at cutting infection rates.

It's not only the Pope. And a lot of the countries in Africa are very corrupt. Money that is given, drugs that are sent.. they get intercepted by people, and used differently. I personally am going to Africa next summer working with UNESCO, however my main focus has to be HIV/AIDS cases in the US.

Because homosexuals have sex with alot of other homosexuals, and alot of them have AIDS due to unprotected sex (due to no chance of pregnancy), and the only reason they would wear a condom is to prevent disease.

The worst thing to happen is when bisexuals start having sex with both men and women, thereby infecting both the hetero- and homosexual populations.
I'm willing to bet that it's attitudes like this that cause a more rapid spread in HIV/AIDS. The idea that some people have that it's a "gay disease" and that they're somehow immune because they're straight.

Meanwhile, the lowest rate of AIDS/HIV infection is among homosexual women.

If you think the US is bad, you shouldn't go to Russia.
I mean, people there use abortion as a form of contraception. I mean, on average, a Russian woman has 3 abortions in her lifetime.

Anyway, here are some statistics to get an idea of proportions:

Adult infection rate of AIDS (as percentage of the population) in Western/Central Europe is 0.3%, whereas North America is at 0.6%

However, when we talk about Africa, we should really divide it, as inSub-Saharan Africa the infection rate of the population is 7.4%.
But in North Africa and the Middle East the rate is 0.3%.

All statistics come from Word AIDS and HIV Statistics (http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm)

Who cares about the relativley tiny HIV issue in America? The real deal is Africa where huge numbers of people are dying. Not only is the rate of infection higher across the sexuality board (thus rendering this weak homosexual discussion irrelevant) but the death rate is higher because the drugs that we all take for granted (yes with the horrible side effects and the money grubbing companies who make them) are not affordable and are not being taken properly.

I blame the punk-ass pope who runs around the largely catholic countries of africa shouting at people with his god-stick for using any form of contraception, including condoms. Once this guy gets his act in gear we might have a shot at cutting infection rates. Do you want to blame Jews, liberals and atheists while you're in full flow?
Here's some information for you: women in the affected countries are treated like dirt. They have NO say whether they are fucked or not, condoms are seen as a sign of weakness, people in these cultures WANT to father children as insurance, and there are superstitions like having sex with a virgin will protect you. But no, let's look for a scapegoat, much easier.

I hope those of you who are advocating condoms are aware that condoms aren't 100% effective. So while using them is much better than not using them, you can still become infected even if you're using a condom.

I hope those of you who are advocating condoms are aware that condoms aren't 100% effective. So while using them is much better than not using them, you can still become infected even if you're using a condom. In my experience, no one has decided the veracity of that belief.

My understanding of the AID's virus is this, it started in Africa when a gene mutated from a standard disease in monkeys to a version of the most common AID's virus found today, that again mutated into a disease that is transferable to humans, some poor random african natives that eat monkeys (yes that does happen, bush meat trade, if you dont believe me as google)

The disease initially spread through Africans, it was brought to America through slaves from Africa, African American slaves (mainly men) during the early years of slavery in American were often raped by gay men that wouldnt come out of the closet, (one of the reason for initial hatred of the whites by the blacks) so AID's traveled from the slaves to gays, the wives of the men caught it but they weren't as promiscuous (remember these were 'puritan' times where adultery was punishable by death) so it didnt spread as much,

So as more and more african american men were raped the disease spread, then AID's became far more prevelant in the homosexual population than the straight population and it because known as gods punishment for the gay population


Also, to whoever said that AIDS isnt prevelent in Europe you are blatently wrong, its ripping through Russia and some other CEEC's because of limited contrasption and rediculosly poor education and health services, its not that hard to wear condoms in Western countries but in some countries theyre very hard to get, and because of the number of sex-workers in Russia and other CEEC's its going to be very very hard to stop

My understanding of the AID's virus is this, it started in Africa when a gene mutated from a standard disease in monkeys to a version of the most common AID's virus found today, that again mutated into a disease that is transferable to humans, some poor random african natives that eat monkeys (yes that does happen, bush meat trade, if you dont believe me as google)

The disease initially spread through Africans, it was brought to America through slaves from Africa, African American slaves (mainly men) during the early years of slavery in American were often raped by gay men that wouldnt come out of the closet, (one of the reason for initial hatred of the whites by the blacks) so AID's traveled from the slaves to gays, the wives of the men caught it but they weren't as promiscuous (remember these were 'puritan' times where adultery was punishable by death) so it didnt spread as much,

So as more and more african american men were raped the disease spread, then AID's became far more prevelant in the homosexual population than the straight population and it because known as gods punishment for the gay population


Also, to whoever said that AIDS isnt prevelent in Europe you are blatently wrong, its ripping through Russia and some other CEEC's because of limited contrasption and rediculosly poor education and health services, its not that hard to wear condoms in Western countries but in some countries theyre very hard to get, and because of the number of sex-workers in Russia and other CEEC's its going to be very very hard to stop

Given the fact that AIDS is a disease that first was diagnosed in the late 1970s, I guess you might want to read up on your history a bit...
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Seriously... Do you guys think there's something inherently homosexual about HIV?

Back in the day, the symptoms now called AIDS were called GRID, for Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. It was pretty prevalent in the gay community, so naturally certain types decided that it was a scourge from God against the filthy homos. After it started spreading into the hetero population, the name was changed. There remains, in my opinion, an oversensitivity to the subject in some circles, hence the comment about accusations of homophobia that arose earlier.

Then you have the lunatic theories about how the US government developed HIV to kill off black people, but they are, as I said, lunatic.