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Yahoo helped trace the Emails of a Journalist who wrote email critical of the Chinese government. Yep, Yahoo helped get a man locked up because of his political beleifs. Who's up for a boycott?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CF5FL00.html

Yahoo helped trace the Emails of a Journalist who wrote email critical of the Chinese government. Yep, Yahoo helped get a man locked up because of his political beleifs. Who's up for a boycott?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CF5FL00.htmlhas YAHOO ever helped create X-ray Camps for POWs at Guantanamo...

Has YAHOO paid taxes to the Bush Gov...

We should boycott everyone who has ever paid taxes to Bush [/sarcasm]
In fact..you should all boycott me.

has YAHOO ever helped create Prisons for POWs at Guantanamo...

Has YAHOO paid taxes to the Bush Gov...

We should boycott everyone who has ever paid taxes to Bush [/sarcasm]
Everything's bush to you. Bush bush bush blah blah blah. It gets boring after a while. Why are you bringing it to this thread? It's not a thread about bush, it's not a thread by a bush supporter, WTF? Are you that obsessed?

Yahoo helped trace the Emails of a Journalist who wrote email critical of the Chinese government. Yep, Yahoo helped get a man locked up because of his political beleifs. Who's up for a boycott?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CF5FL00.html

not me. yahoo is usefull.

not me. yahoo is usefull.

er... what for? I mean, it can't be the search engine. It can't be free email. We have google for both of those. What else is it good for?

Yahoo helped trace the Emails of a Journalist who wrote email critical of the Chinese government. Yep, Yahoo helped get a man locked up because of his political beleifs. Who's up for a boycott?

I've been boycotting Yahoo! for years because of the fact that their service sucks, but I guess I could tack on an ethical argument for it. What they did was really shitty, anyway. It's so disgusting to see all these companies bowing down to Chinese pressure, and how quickly and easily they can forget that it's a brutal dictatorship with no regard to human rights and basic liberties whatsoever.

But, yeah, capitalism is all about the market and money. Who cares about those oppressed when you can make a quick buck off of them? :mad:

Yahoo is pretty much required to give up that sort of information if the government asks for it. At least that's the impression that I get.

Everything's bush to you. Bush bush bush blah blah blah. It gets boring after a while. Why are you bringing it to this thread? It's not a thread about bush, it's not a thread by a bush supporter, WTF? Are you that obsessed?It is an article about boycotting Someone helping violate human rights...ISN'T IT?

So like I said... you should Boycott me...cos I am Guilty as charged.

Boycott Yahoo? I didn't think anybody still used any of their services anyway. Everything Yahoo can do, every other similar online company can do better.

But hey, I can understand their reasoning. When the vampire rises, do you want to be his immortal slave or his dinner?

I use my gmail account now more than my yahoo anyway. They can't compete.

Yahoo is pretty much required to give up that sort of information if the government asks for it.Indeed...the Bush Gov. could require Yahoo to give away private information..that could land that private person in Guantanamo...

So its not only paying taxes that Yahoo could help Violate Human rights.

What does paying taxes, the incompetent Bush administration have to do with YAHOO's weak-knee'd approach to the Chinese government and their willingness to sell out a private user so that they don't incur the wrath of the fucking wannabe commies?!

Indeed...the Bush Gov. could require Yahoo to give away private information..that could land that private person in Guantanamo...

So its not only paying taxes that Yahoo could help Violate Human rights.Yes but...I will not Boycott Yahoo cos Its not YAHOOs fault...Its the local privacy Laws allow the Abusive Govs. to go witch hunting...

Yes but...I will not Boycott Yahoo cos Its not YAHOOs fault...Its the local privacy Laws allow the Abusive Govs. to go witch hunting...
No, it is their fault. They give a privacy statement when you sign up, as well as a ToS (Terms of Service), and they have no obligation to give away that information, because first of all, YAHOO is not in China, even if they have a Chinese subsidury.

dp

No, it is their fault. They give a privacy statement when you sign up...and do you really think that statement protects you from the Bush Gov?

Everything Yahoo can do, every other similar online company can do better.Yahoo can do everything the other free services can i a one stop HUB...Mail, Messenger, Photo services, Worlwide calls, Searchengine, music services, etc,etc,etc.

BUT This is what Microsoft and the others do not offer me.

A free Online PIM (calendar/To Do/Organizer/Adressbook) that I can sinc with my Palm and Cell Phone.

http://calendar.yahoo.com

and do you really think that statement protects you from the Bush Gov?

You are pathetic.

The Bush government has fuck-all to do with this discussion. Try again.

and do you really think that statement protects you from the Bush Gov?

You are pathetic.

Quit spamming this thread with your Bush antics.

Quit spamming this thread with your Bush antics.Let me try that again..

No, it is their fault. They give a privacy statement when you sign up...and do you really think that statement protects you from the China Gov?

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feels better Euroslavia?

I daresay that this level of absurd hijacking is worthy of the moderator's attenetion. OceanDrive, please shut up before you suddenly find you've been deleted.

and do you really think that statement protects you from the Bush Gov?
Or Chinese government...

It does if you're not American or Chinese!

I daresay that this level of absurd hijacking is worthy of the moderator's attenetion. OceanDrive, please shut up before you suddenly find you've been deleted.

Quit spamming this thread with your Bush antics.

Mods have already intervened.

I daresay that this level of absurd hijacking is worthy of the moderator's attenetion. OceanDrive, please shut up before you suddenly find you've been deleted.
Don't worry, I already whined about him in moderation. I daresay, he did step over the line when he called me pathetic when quoting something I said.

I'll just whine in moderation instead.(edit message)I daresay that this level of absurd hijacking is worthy of the moderator's attenetion. OceanDrive, please shut up before you suddenly find you've been deleted.
even If I don't agree...Cos in my opinion Yahoo and Privacy laws issues are not exclusive with the Chinese Gov.

I did change my statement to "China Gov"

but I still think you guys are over sensitive.

woohoo! i say go yahoo! it isn't just one of them places entirely in it for money or that wants to premote personal freedoms without thought of how it would damage the government!

I heard Google gave the same agreement to China -- is that correct?

All these corporations are knowingly selling out the rights of their own country to make profit in another. They know it's wrong and might even be illegal, and that's why they create "subisidaries" to squirm around all the regulations that might make it harder to turn a profit off oppression and civil rights crimes. Oh, no, it wasn't us, they claim, it was those other guys who just happen to work for us, only we set up the papers to make it look like they don't.

Here's a question: The US does have laws and regulations that could punish Yahoo from doing things like this. Why are they not enforced? What benefit could there be to the US in allowing US service companies to be spies and informants for a foreign government? I'm thinking specifically of the filters that let Yahoo etc. not only censor internet access but trace usage back to individual consumers. Those filters were demanded by China but designed by Microsoft who swears up and down they would never, NEVER!, use them on any other market in the world (unless the local government asked them to, of course).

Kids, let's enjoy these forums while we can.

addition re not hijacking: I don't mean the Bush admin. This goes way beyond who happens to be in office. It's about a kind of backroom power dealing that bypasses the political system altogether.

Don't worry, I already whined about him in moderation. I daresay, he did step over the line when he called me pathetic when quoting something I said.your are whining for nothing..."pathetic" is a word used 1000s of times in this Forum.

just use the Jolt search engine...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=388788

But...i will edit my previous post and take out the Word "Pathetic"...(all of this is Pathetic)

I heard Google gave the same agreement to China -- is that correct?

All these corporations are knowingly selling out the rights of their own country to make profit in another. They know it's wrong and might even be illegal, and that's why they create "subisidaries" to squirm around all the regulations that might make it harder to turn a profit off oppression and civil rights crimes. Oh, no, it wasn't us, they claim, it was those other guys who just happen to work for us, only we set up the papers to make it look like they don't.

Here's a question: The US does have laws and regulations that could punish Yahoo from doing things like this. Why are they not enforced? What benefit could there be to the US in allowing US service companies to be spies and informants for a foreign government? I'm thinking specifically of the filters that let Yahoo etc. not only censor internet access but trace usage back to individual consumers. Those filters were demanded by China but designed by Microsoft who swears up and down they would never, NEVER!, use them on any other market in the world (unless the local government asked them to, of course).



They aren't punished because without the corporations who will fund these presidents. Face it America is dependent on corporations thus the reason they can get away with stuff they are not suppose to do. (Also why presidents try to gain their supports.)

Or Chinese government...

It does if you're not American or Chinese!That was my point all along.

Let me try that again..

and do you really think that statement protects you from the China Gov?

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feels better Euroslavia?

Your blatant disrespect for my request has been noted. You continue to spam this thread, despite changing your 'comment' to "China Gov" instead of "Bush Gov".
OceanDrive2: Official Warning for Spamming

Your blatant disrespect for my request has been noted. You continue to spam this thread, despite changing your 'comment' to "China Gov" instead of "Bush Gov".
OceanDrive2: Official Warning for SpammingWOW...I did address all your Requests and you still not satisfied...

Whatever Euroslavia...Whatever....You keep using your powers to defend Bush & Co...

and I will keep doing what i do.

Que sera...serà !!!

They aren't punished because without the corporations who will fund these presidents. Face it America is dependent on corporations thus the reason they can get away with stuff they are not suppose to do. (Also why presidents try to gain their supports.)
Exactly, and this blows away any pretense they have of not being total whores. I suggest that, while it's both fun and good citizenship to chase politicians around (pinatas!!!), we should never forget who the real players in this game are. The corporations know no borders and can do more damage than all the pols on Capitol Hill put together.

And that's why I don't support tort reform. :D

Yahoo helped trace the Emails of a Journalist who wrote email critical of the Chinese government. Yep, Yahoo helped get a man locked up because of his political beleifs. Who's up for a boycott?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CF5FL00.html

I only use them for basic news information anyway.

However, someone who uses thier(Yahoo's) service to critisize the Gov't in what is effectively a totalitarian nation while they (Yahoo) has a contract w/ said nation isn't very bright.

I doubt Yahoo ever knew the charges against the guy.

The police would go to the courts and request an order to release certain logs. The courts would issue such an order, and it would be presented to Yahoo, which like any other company, is bound by the laws of any country in which it operates. Yahoo would then dig out the logs and hand them over.

At no point do the authorities have to make clear the nature of the case they are building. For all the company knew, they were helping catch yet another internet pervert.

I doubt Yahoo ever knew the charges against the guy.

The police would go to the courts and request an order to release certain logs. The courts would issue such an order, and it would be presented to Yahoo, which like any other company, is bound by the laws of any country in which it operates. Yahoo would then dig out the logs and hand them over.

At no point do the authorities have to make clear the nature of the case they are building. For all the company knew, they were helping catch yet another internet pervert.
I don't expect privacy on the internet. It's like having your conversation in a restaurant where anyone can hear you. But consider:

You want to make money in a certain market.

To get in there you have to abide by the laws of that country. Fair enough.

The country in question is a totalitarian dicatorship with a lengthy record of human rights violations against its own citizens (as well as a record of seizing private business holdings and antagonism towards outsiders :eek: ).

The regulations they want you to follow include tools to allow them to use your service to spy on and track their citizens.

Why would you think that such an arrangement would not put your company in the position of handing over political dissidents to uncertain, but certainly unpleasant, fates?

So, the issue is, knowing this, should they have gone into China at all? Not only did they, but they covered their asses legally beforehand. I say that proves that they don't give a crap about anything but their quarterly reports, including human lives, and everything the anarchists say about them is true.

What choice did they have? Try this:

You're one of the biggest internet service providers in the world. Hell, you may even be a consortium of all of them (as they really are at the boardroom level).

You dearly want to get your mits on all those Chinese, but the government is trying to dictate how you do business.

Why the hell should you play by their rules? They want to take over the world. They need the internet to do it. They can't get the internet without you. You're Godzilla.

Stand your ground. They will cave in the end, because they need you more than you need them.

And just maybe, you'll have undermined their totalitarian control enough to save your karma, if not their citizens.

Why is everyone attacking Yahoo when the Chineese are oviously to blame