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One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?

I suppose you know all there is to know about the Crying Game.....

How did you find out? Did that person tell you?
And why is that a problem if he/she is transsexual?

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

Are you satisfied now?

I take it you had a problem with your partner being a transexual? Or was it that the person in question betrayed your trust by not coming forward in the begining.

Either way, you seem to be in pain. I hope you get better soon.

EDIT:

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

...Jesus...

Yeah, I'd be pissed too!

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?

It's simple, there is no god and this is a painful (for you) and hillarious (for those who have yet to experience it) coincidence.

That said Rose is a mean **** and someday it's possible she may get hers... or not... because karma is bullshit too.

It's simple, there is no god and this is a painful (for you) and hillarious (for those who have yet to experience it) coincidence.

That said Rose is a mean **** and someday it's possible she may get hers... or not... because karma is bullshit too.

Fuck you.

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

Are you satisfied now?

Ok, that's really nasty of her. Extremely.

Ok, that's really nasty of her. Extremely.

That's almost verbatim what my psychotherapist says.

So...let me get this straight...

You found out someone you have been dating for three months, used to have a doodler.

and NOW...you dont believe in God?

Firstly, how the hell do you date someone for three months, and not discover that kind of thing on your own?

Secondly, you get dumped by a lying tranny, and now you think God doesnt exist?
How fucking selfish is that?

Become an athiest becuase 300,000 people get wiped out in seconds by a Tsunami, or thousands die in NO, from a hurricane, but you have a bad relationship, and you think thats just cuase to not believe in God?

Self-centered much?

Fuck you.

I'm trying to show empathy, but face it, until someone actually experiences what you're going through it's going to seem (to them) like something out of a lame comedy.

Did you read the rest of the post (the empathetic part) or did you just spazz at me for admiting that I can see the humour in it?

If positions were reversed you'd be more then welcome to laugh at my pain.

hey, it might be hard to see this now but maybe look at it the other way, that this is proof that there is a god. At least you found out after a short time, (not that it makes the pain any less), but at least you hadn't started to get completly involved and dependent on the relationship, and into a very serious relationship. The god out there stopped it before it was too late, you have a chance now to slowly sort yourself out before it was too late.

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

Are you satisfied now?
Why blame God then? Why not blame transsexuals?

Without meaning to sound mean and unfeeling, I have to say that this thread is an EXCELLENT read.

Big hands? Adam's apple? Deep voice? Now you know are you sure you couldn't tell?

I'm an atheist, but sometimes when stuff like this happens it makes me think there is a god and it's got a seriously twisted sense of humour!

Until I found out they were a transexual.


Actually .... that just proves God is quite the prankster.

You mentioned all the things you'd done wrong and asked to change, etc etc. However, you didn't. Soon as something goes wrong, you not only show intolerance and disgust at a fellow human being (love thy neighbor, judge not, etc), you then turn your back on God.

I'd say God gave you exactly what you deserved.

Now go forth and sin no more.

One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?
All I can say is.. it's no wonder your god doesn't like you. (Anything more would probably get me banned.)

God enjoys watching people suffer.

How is this peace and comfort?

If God granted every single prayer "yes" imagine what the world would be like!

All I can say is.. it's no wonder your god doesn't like you. (Anything more would probably get me banned.)

Thats a bit off. There is a distinct difference between tolerence and acceptance of someone being transexual and wanting to be in a relationship with someone who is/was the same gender as you. I think it is reasonable for someone to be pissed at finding something like that out.

On the main topic, everything about the situation is fucked up. They did not tell you (which eveyone should admit should really be a common courtesy) and then the "Using you" at the end.

I hope you get over this.

Thats a bit off. There is a distinct difference between tolerence and acceptance of someone being transexual and wanting to be in a relationship with someone who is/was the same gender as you. I think it is reasonable for someone to be pissed at finding something like that out.

On the main topic, everything about the situation is fucked up. They did not tell you (which eveyone should admit should really be a common courtesy) and then the "Using you" at the end.

I hope you get over this.
I didn't imply anything about intolerance. And I agree, he has the right to be upset about being lied to.

If God granted every single prayer "yes" imagine what the world would be like!

*Thinks back to watching Bruce Almighty.*

GET CRACKING GOD!

I am sorry that you had a bad experience. I went through something similar yet probibly not as shocking and hurtful, when a guy that I had been dating for 8 months told me that he was gay and didn't want to see me anymore. I know it is difficult to understand why God would put you through such pain.
Christains talk about peace and comfort, but many times we don't explain it well. Everyone goes through tough times, my dad died suddenly, my house blew away with a tornado (3 times), I have been lied to in relationships, and sometimes I get to be subjected to verbal abuse for no reason. Life isn't very fun. The only thing that gets me through sometimes is knowing that God loves me, He will never leave me, when I feel like the world is falling down around me and I want to give up God will not give up on me. God loves you too, He will be there if you let him. I know you are extreemly hurt, that is the best time to turn it over to God, pray again, tell God why you are hurt and angry, let it all out. I hope that things go better for you. I will pray for your healing and for God to show Himself to you in a big way, and for peace and comfort. If you don't mind that is.

On the main topic, everything about the situation is fucked up. They did not tell you (which eveyone should admit should really be a common courtesy) and then the "Using you" at the end.


Depends on how you look at it. If you're a male human, then you were at one time a female human. It is unavoidable. All humans are inheretly female. It requires a certain hormone at a certain time during development to produce the male. Do you tell all your potential girlfriends this? Doesn't that make you a vicious liar?

No ... it's biology. Sometimes that hormone is either late in production or doesn't produce when it should, causing a person who is genetically female to be born into a male body (and vice versa). This person was never male, but the product of an accident of nature. It happens.

So, later in life, they get some hormone therapy, some operations, and *poof* ... they become who they were supposed to be. She shouldn't have to tell anyone anything. To say "I used to be a male" would be the lie because she was never a male.

Depends on how you look at it. If you're a male human, then you were at one time a female human. It is unavoidable. All humans are inheretly female. It requires a certain hormone at a certain time during development to produce the male. Do you tell all your potential girlfriends this? Doesn't that make you a vicious liar?

No ... it's biology. Sometimes that hormone is either late in production or doesn't produce when it should, causing a person who is genetically female to be born into a male body (and vice versa). This person was never male, but the product of an accident of nature. It happens.

So, later in life, they get some hormone therapy, some operations, and *poof* ... they become who they were supposed to be. She shouldn't have to tell anyone anything. To say "I used to be a male" would be the lie because she was never a male.
I believe that you should be completely honest with everyone, especially people you are dating. Although I believe that sex is saved for marriage though so, I don't know what the secular rules are about what you have to tell someone you are just sleeping with, or how much less you have to tell someone who you are "just dating". I just recently found out about the whole 3rd date thing, so you can imagine my surprise on that one.

Think of it this way: You could of ended up marrying him/her/it.

I don't suppose you prayed to God for guidance about what He thinks about you dating that person.

Conversion to Christianity is not simply an emotional moment. It also requires continued effort to seek Him. I'm sorry it ended up the way it did for you Drzhen. :(

One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?
:rolleyes: god has a plan, its not for you to dispute, now pray for forgiveness or rot in hell

I believe that you should be completely honest with everyone, especially people you are dating.

Oh I do too! However, the people above want this person to wear a badge or something that says "Hi! I used to have a penis!" I find that vulgar.

If the relationship is becoming a close, trusting relationship that could potentially lead to marriage, then yes, I'd say be open about it. If it's just a casual, fun friendship relationship, then there's no point in mentioning it.

I suspect Drzhen's harsh reaction is because he's worried that he's now "got gay" and all that therapy he's talking about is so he can be assured he's not some newly indoctorinated "low-life fag" because he happened to dip his wick in that which used to have a penis.

God is laughing at him.

Conversion to Christianity is not simply an emotional moment.

Hey ... he didn't say anything about Christianity. Christians do not own God.

Hey ... he didn't say anything about Christianity. Christians do not own God.

He said he prayed for forgiveness from the Christian God. That's converting to Christianity.

And to add: conversion to Christianity doesn't mean that you automatically ascend to Heaven. You will still face many troubles, but if you know where to look, help is just there.

He said he prayed for forgiveness from the Christian God.


There's more than one God? Strange.

Anyway ... no ... he didn't say "Christian God" ... he said "God".

Hey ... he didn't say anything about Christianity. Christians do not own God.
Only the Pope can own the christian god

Only the Pope can own the christian god

He holds the licensing restrictions, too, doesn't he? I know it's in the contract somewhere ....

He holds the licensing restrictions, too, doesn't he? I know it's in the contract somewhere ....
Buddy Christ :D

There's more than one God? Strange.

Anyway ... no ... he didn't say "Christain God" ... he said "God".
Yes. There's the one true Christian God, and also other gods, such as the Muslim Allah, and the Buddhist Buddha and the Hindu millions-of-gods.

"God" with a capital "G" is usually taken as the Christian God. And if Drzhen wasn't praying to the Christian God, he can't blame the Christian God for not listening to his prayers, then, can he?

I am sorry that you had a bad experience. I went through something similar yet probibly not as shocking and hurtful, when a guy that I had been dating for 8 months told me that he was gay and didn't want to see me anymore. I know it is difficult to understand why God would put you through such pain.
Christains talk about peace and comfort, but many times we don't explain it well. Everyone goes through tough times, my dad died suddenly, my house blew away with a tornado (3 times), I have been lied to in relationships, and sometimes I get to be subjected to verbal abuse for no reason. Life isn't very fun. The only thing that gets me through sometimes is knowing that God loves me, He will never leave me, when I feel like the world is falling down around me and I want to give up God will not give up on me. God loves you too, He will be there if you let him. I know you are extreemly hurt, that is the best time to turn it over to God, pray again, tell God why you are hurt and angry, let it all out. I hope that things go better for you. I will pray for your healing and for God to show Himself to you in a big way, and for peace and comfort. If you don't mind that is.
:D
Ok, so, when you find out that your girl... itfriend is an it, you turn your back on God when people in NO and Mississipi are dying and have nothing. All you did is find out that your girlfriend is an it. People in NO don't have water, food, their pets, nothing. What happened to you is bad. But there are worse things. If you become a Christian, you have to follow through. When you date someone, pray with God to make sure it's the right person, so this doesn't happen again. And yes, you might have figured out by now I'm a Christian.

:D
Ok, so, when you find out that your girl... itfriend is an it, you turn your back on God when people in NO and Mississipi are dying and have nothing. All you did is find out that your girlfriend is an it. People in NO don't have water, food, their pets, nothing. What happened to you is bad. But there are worse things. If you become a Christian, you have to follow through. When you date someone, pray with God to make sure it's the right person, so this doesn't happen again. And yes, you might have figured out by now I'm a Christian.
are you talking to me there? I think you are confused.

Big hands? Adam's apple? Deep voice? Now you know are you sure you couldn't tell?

I'm an atheist, but sometimes when stuff like this happens it makes me think there is a god and it's got a seriously twisted sense of humour!

not all guys have big hands, deep voices, and a protruding adam's apple..

Yes. There's the one true Christian God, and also other gods, such as the Muslim Allah, and the Buddhist Buddha and the Hindu millions-of-gods.


So Christians don't believe there's only one God, eh? How very odd. I always thought ya'll did. I didn't realise Christianity was so Pagan.

Now to educate you:

Buddha is not a god to Buddhists or to anyone.

Hindu has only 3 principle deities, all aspects of the same divine force - not unlike your Holy Trinity.

Allah is the god that Abraham prayed to and spoke with. The same god you claim as your own. The same god of the Hebrews that the Jews wrote about and still worship to this day. The same god that Jesus cried out to from the cross.

Partnerless, childless, singular. Hear, O Israel, thy God is One.

So Christians don't believe there's only one God, eh? How very odd. I always thought ya'll did. I didn't realise Christianity was so Pagan.

Now to educate you:

Buddha is not a god to Buddhists or to anyone.

Hindu has only 3 principle deities, all aspects of the same divine force - not unlike your Holy Trinity.

Allah is the god that Abraham prayed to and spoke with. The same god you claim as your own. The same god of the Hebrews that the Jews wrote about and still worship to this day. The same god that Jesus cried out to from the cross.

Partnerless, childless, singular. Hear, O Israel, thy God is One.

you would notice that when refering to other gods we don't use a capitol g. it isn't PC for us to deny others gods so we use the little g. The whole conversation started because someone felt slighted because "Christains don't own God"

anything else??

So Christians don't believe there's only one God, eh? How very odd. I always thought ya'll did. I didn't realise Christianity was so Pagan.

Now to educate you:

Buddha is not a god to Buddhists or to anyone.

Hindu has only 3 principle deities, all aspects of the same divine force - not unlike your Holy Trinity.

Allah is the god that Abraham prayed to and spoke with. The same god you claim as your own. The same god of the Hebrews that the Jews wrote about and still worship to this day. The same god that Jesus cried out to from the cross.

Partnerless, childless, singular. Hear, O Israel, thy God is One.

No. I do not recognise the "other gods". Those are human concepts of gods. There is only one true God - the Christian God. I'm sorry if I misled you to believe otherwise.

Well, maybe not Buddha, but Buddhists do believe in deities or a higher power.

I don't know too much about Hinduism, only that they have many gods, principle, or minor.

Wrong. Allah is the Muslim rendering of the Christian God. They are two completely different concepts.

you would notice that when refering to other gods we don't use a capitol g. it isn't PC for us to deny others gods so we use the little g. The whole conversation started because someone felt slighted because "Christains don't own God"

anything else??

It's called "English".

When I say "Christians don't own God", I am referring to the specific deity. When I say "How many gods are there", I am referring to the noun.

It's like the difference between:

"That man is my dad."
"I went to the store with Dad the other day."

:D
Ok, so, when you find out that your girl... itfriend is an it, you turn your back on God when people in NO and Mississipi are dying and have nothing. All you did is find out that your girlfriend is an it. People in NO don't have water, food, their pets, nothing. What happened to you is bad. But there are worse things. If you become a Christian, you have to follow through. When you date someone, pray with God to make sure it's the right person, so this doesn't happen again. And yes, you might have figured out by now I'm a Christian.

Firstly, what kind of loving God would do that? Leaving thousands of people dead, even more homeless?


Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.
And secondly, this guy is opening up, telling us that he is in THERAPY, that this seriously hurt him! I am astounded that you would even THINK to say "God has his way, and everything will work out for the best"! How can this POSSIBLY work out well?

And what about this BS:
Depends on how you look at it. If you're a male human, then you were at one time a female human. It is unavoidable. All humans are inheretly female. It requires a certain hormone at a certain time during development to produce the male. Do you tell all your potential girlfriends this? Doesn't that make you a vicious liar?

No ... it's biology. Sometimes that hormone is either late in production or doesn't produce when it should, causing a person who is genetically female to be born into a male body (and vice versa). This person was never male, but the product of an accident of nature. It happens.

So, later in life, they get some hormone therapy, some operations, and *poof* ... they become who they were supposed to be. She shouldn't have to tell anyone anything. To say "I used to be a male" would be the lie because she was never a male.
We here in the REGULAR WORLD assume that the way someone comes out is the way that he or she is. It worked for thousands of years, billions if you count our evolutionary prdecessors, why change it now?
And to add to that point, what kind of god places someone in the body of a different gender? :confused:

And what about this whole thing that people are claiming that god said about gay people, that it's unnatural and shouldn't happen? :fluffle:

I could go on all day, but I have better things to do.

It's called "English".

When I say "Christians don't own God", I am referring to the specific deity. When I say "How many gods are there", I am referring to the noun.

It's like the difference between:

"That man is my dad."
"I went to the store with Dad the other day."
Oh yeah, sorry didn't know that this was going to get into a grammar lesson. Gotta duck out on that one. I was talking about God. don't know nuthin about all that fancy english rules.

Wrong. Allah is the Muslim rendering of the Christian God. They are two completely different concepts.

Ummm ... no. When Abraham spoke to God, he called God "Elah" or "El" - just as Jesus did, though Jesus used the Aramaic colloquial "Eloi". Islam stems from Judaism and does not require Christianity. Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, whom God said that great nations would come of both. Isaac went on to father Israel while Ishmael went on to father the Arabic/Islamic peoples.

Allah is simply the old word used as the name of the god of Abraham.

Maybe you should read the writings of the Jews more closely as you're clearly trying to steal their god and take its place.

We here in the REGULAR WORLD assume that the way someone comes out is the way that he or she is. It worked for thousands of years, billions if you count our evolutionary prdecessors, why change it now?

Ok ... so maybe Earth really is the center of the Universe. Worked for thousands of years, after all.

And to add to that point, what kind of god places someone in the body of a different gender? :confused:

The only one we've got. The same one that wants us to study the Universe and ourselves and reach a point beyond believing the whole thing was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago, with this planet as its center and the Heavenly Firmament surrounds us in a perfect circle just outside the atmosphere. *coff*

:p

Secondly, you get dumped by a lying tranny, and now you think God doesnt exist?
How fucking selfish is that?

Become an athiest becuase 300,000 people get wiped out in seconds by a Tsunami, or thousands die in NO, from a hurricane, but you have a bad relationship, and you think thats just cuase to not believe in God?

Self-centered much?

Why does it matter what the reason is? I stopped believing in a loving/caring God or any other higher power you can name when my father died. I don't think for one second that my reason is self-centered.

Clearly, if there is a god, it cares nothing for us. If it cared, horrible things like Sept. 11th, Hurricane Katrina, etc. wouldn't happen.

:rolleyes: god has a plan, its not for you to dispute, now pray for forgiveness or rot in hell
Fuck the "plan!" There is no plan, no destiny. YOU control what you become, what you do, not some higher power (that nobody can even prove exists).

If I had a choice between asking forgiveness and going to Heaven or rotting in Hell, I'd choose Hell. It's gonna be one helluva party down there... :).

God is not Santa Claus, nor a Genie,no presents or wishes granted, He gives you what you need, the Strength to deal with what life deals out and in your case being lied to and feeling betrayed. Don't let yourself get bitter, deal with the betrayer in a dignified manner in such a way as to make them feel like crap for deceiving you, move on and Thank God you found out when you did. Peace .

God is not Santa Claus, nor a Genie,no presents or wishes granted, He gives you what you need, the Strength to deal with what life deals out
Strength to deal with what life deals...? I thought God had the plan...who determines what life "deals out?"

Thank God you found out when you did.

Dhrzen no longer believes in God. Why would you thank something that doesn't exist?

Ummm ... no. When Abraham spoke to God, he called God "Elah" or "El" - just as Jesus did, though Jesus used the Aramaic colloquial "Eloi". Islam stems from Judaism and does not require Christianity. Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, whom God said that great nations would come of both. Isaac went on to father Israel while Ishmael went on to father the Arabic/Islamic peoples.

Allah is simply the old word used as the name of the god of Abraham.

Maybe you should read the writings of the Jews more closely as you're clearly trying to steal their god and take its place.

Yes, but Islam doesn't teach the truth about the characteristics and actions of God, you see?

Let me remind you. Islam is the product of Mohammed's contact with the "Archangel". Christianity is the product of God's only Son, Jesus the Christ.

Fuck the "plan!" There is no plan, no destiny. YOU control what you become, what you do, not some higher power (that nobody can even prove exists).

If I had a choice between asking forgiveness and going to Heaven or rotting in Hell, I'd choose Hell. It's gonna be one helluva party down there... :).
Gods plan is for you to believe that

Why does it matter what the reason is? I stopped believing in a loving/caring God or any other higher power you can name when my father died. I don't think for one second that my reason is self-centered.

Clearly, if there is a god, it cares nothing for us. If it cared, horrible things like Sept. 11th, Hurricane Katrina, etc. wouldn't happen.


Fuck the "plan!" There is no plan, no destiny. YOU control what you become, what you do, not some higher power (that nobody can even prove exists).

If I had a choice between asking forgiveness and going to Heaven or rotting in Hell, I'd choose Hell. It's gonna be one helluva party down there... :).
you seem very angry. I worry about you. I could try to explain the nature of God but i would assume that you would just attack me. I am sorry that things have happened to make you so cynical.

Gods plan is for you to believe that

right... :rolleyes: And I suppose God's "plan" is for me to tell you to go fuck youreslf too...:upyours:

Fuck the "plan!" There is no plan, no destiny. YOU control what you become, what you do, not some higher power (that nobody can even prove exists).


Wrong. Can you control yourself to not fall asleep? Can you control yourself not to be hungry? Can you control the bad weather and tsunamis so that they don't come and attack you? Can you control the stock market so that you will only earn and not lose? Can you control the influenza virus so you don't get infected? Can you control your children so they will listen to you?

No. No. No. No....

Humans have pitifully little control over their lives.

you seem very angry. I worry about you. I could try to explain the nature of God but i would assume that you would just attack me. I am sorry that things have happened to make you so cynical.


angry? No, not anymore. I've just found reality. Maybe you should join me...

One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?

Man, I'm glad we've got that settled. Now I can rest assured that there is no greater power. I mean, who- WHO can possibly argue in the face of such a statement? So, next time you start questioning whether there is a god, just remember: this guy cried.

right... :rolleyes: And I suppose God's "plan" is for me to tell you to go fuck youreslf too...:upyours:
you do what you have to sir,
but I recommend you get a new sarcasm meter

Yes, but Islam doesn't teach the truth about the characteristics and actions of God, you see?

How do you know? Do you interract on a daily basis with God as Abraham did? I defy you to show me one falsehood about God in Qur'an.

Let me remind you. Islam is the product of Mohammed's contact with the "Archangel". Christianity is the product of God's only Son, Jesus the Christ.

God had no son. God has no partner. No equal. God does not require an intercessor. Nothing but God is worthy of worship. Christianity is the product of Mary's contact with the angel Semajasa, who impregnated her.

When you worship Jesus, you are placing Jesus as equal with God. For that, I pity you and pray that someday you will learn the truth.

Yes, but Islam doesn't teach the truth about the characteristics and actions of God, you see?

Let me remind you. Islam is the product of Mohammed's contact with the "Archangel". Christianity is the product of God's only Son, Jesus the Christ.
Correction : Christianity is the product of a man who Christians believe is Gods only son, Jesus the Christ. Islam and Judeasm do not believe he was the son of god - AFAIK they both view him as a prophet.

Wrong. Can you control yourself to not fall asleep? Can you control yourself not to be hungry? Can you control the bad weather and tsunamis so that they don't come and attack you? Can you control the stock market so that you will only earn and not lose? Can you control the influenza virus so you don't get infected? Can you control your children so they will listen to you?

No. No. No. No....

Humans have pitifully little control over their lives.

Sleeping, hunger...these are part of being human...It's called science. If you don't eat, you'll die.

And if you read what i posted, I said you control what you become, what you do.

You brought up weather...I never said that we can control the weather...again, that's called science.

Disease? Yet again, science.

I'm seeing a pattern here...

And no, you cannot control what your children do or do not do. They are not you. You cannot control their actions, you control YOUR actions.

angry? No, not anymore. I've just found reality. Maybe you should join me...
I believe I have found reality. My trust and hope is vested in God. Even if it wasn't I would have to admit I have limited knowlege of you or your life. I was just saying your statements sounded very angry to me, maybe I missread when you said "Clearly, if there is a god, it cares nothing for us. If it cared, horrible things like Sept. 11th, Hurricane Katrina, etc. wouldn't happen." and "If I had a choice between asking forgiveness and going to Heaven or rotting in Hell, I'd choose Hell. It's gonna be one helluva party down there... ." You seemed very angry at God to me. I could be mistaken though

One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?

I know this is a little late and someone might have said this already, but maybe God was trying to tell you something besides "Here's a nice girl have a nice life." God will always tell you or show you what you need, just be willing to listen. A lot of times it isn't what we think we want, but in the long run it makes us better prepared for the rest of life. Haven't you ever had that friend who you thought was an ass because (s)he always told you how it was and never tried to make you feel better, and then days or weeks later you realize they were right? God's kinda like that. Remember we are the sinners, not Him.

you do what you have to sir,
but I recommend you get a new sarcasm meter

my apologies...sarcasm is usually lost on the internet...in that case, comment withdrawn.

AFAIK they both view him as a prophet.

Judaism doesn't recognise Jesus as a prophet. The last prophet in Tanakh was Malachi, then the time of prophets ended. According to Judaism, recognising a prophet beyond that time is (sort of)blasphemy.

I believe I have found reality. My trust and hope is vested in God. Even if it wasn't I would have to admit I have limited knowlege of you or your life. I was just saying your statements sounded very angry to me, maybe I missread when you said "Clearly, if there is a god, it cares nothing for us. If it cared, horrible things like Sept. 11th, Hurricane Katrina, etc. wouldn't happen." and "If I had a choice between asking forgiveness and going to Heaven or rotting in Hell, I'd choose Hell. It's gonna be one helluva party down there... ." You seemed very angry at God to me. I could be mistaken though

I cannot be angry at something that does not exist.

Sleeping, hunger...these are part of being human...It's called science. If you don't eat, you'll die.

And if you read what i posted, I said you control what you become, what you do.

You brought up weather...I never said that we can control the weather...again, that's called science.

Disease? Yet again, science.

I'm seeing a pattern here...

And no, you cannot control what your children do or do not do. They are not you. You cannot control their actions, you control YOUR actions.

Yes. All these things are part of your life, and you are completely right about nobody having control over these things, these critical things that are part of us but yet not controlled by us.

How do you know? Do you interract on a daily basis with God as Abraham did? I defy you to show me one falsehood about God in Qur'an.



God had no son. God has no partner. No equal. God does not require an intercessor. Nothing but God is worthy of worship. Christianity is the product of Mary's contact with the angel Semajasa, who impregnated her.

When you worship Jesus, you are placing Jesus as equal with God. For that, I pity you and pray that someday you will learn the truth.
Are you a Christian? If so what denomination? I am interested in this point of veiw. It sounds kinda Jehova's Witness, but something about it is a little off. Please explain.

I cannot be angry at something that does not exist.

Well then you're missing out! Do you know just how angry I get at elves on a near daily basis? Lousy little thieves ... always stealing my water ... bastards!

Man ... we have gotten sooo off topic.

Yes. All these things are part of your life, and you are completely right about nobody having control over these things, these critical things that are part of us but yet not controlled by us.

It's part of SCIENCE!

Judaism doesn't recognise Jesus as a prophet. The last prophet in Tanakh was Malachi, then the time of prophets ended. According to Judaism, recognising a prophet beyond that time is (sort of)blasphemy.
Apologies - I stand corrected and today I learn something new.

Are you a Christian? If so what denomination? I am interested in this point of veiw. It sounds kinda Jehova's Witness, but something about it is a little off. Please explain.

Nope ... I'm Muslim, born and raised Jewish.

my apologies...sarcasm is usually lost on the internet...in that case, comment withdrawn.
Chill mate, its all good

Well then you're missing out! Do you know just how angry I get at elves on a near daily basis? Lousy little thieves ... always stealing my water ... bastards!

Man ... we have gotten sooo off topic.

Who said elves don't exist?

Apologies - I stand corrected and today I learn something new.

No no ... no apologies. We all have things in life we don't understand. Always nice to learn.

Nope ... I'm Muslim, born and raised Jewish.
huh. never saw that one coming. interesting. I may have some questions for you. I have never talked to a Muslim. If I think some up will you answer them? I promise to try not to be argumentatve.

Who said elves don't exist?

Shhhh! Get out of my head!!

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

Are you satisfied now?

My guess? Rose truly loved you. You found out she was a transexual, a fact which she was reluctant to share, knowing how you would react. You confronted her (that is, you exploded, berated her, called her vile and horrible names, refused to even listen to her side, and perhaps even threatened or committed physical violence). In self defense, she said that she didn't love you, even though she did. She is a wonderful, loving person who is now very badly hurt, and you lost out on a loving relationship because of your prejudices. She, however, will be better off in the long run because she deserves MUCH better than you.

Just my guess.

huh. never saw that one coming. interesting. I may have some questions for you. I have never talked to a Muslim. If I think some up will you answer them? I promise to try not to be argumentatve.

I'll answer anything I can to the best of my ablities. I don't mind even argumentative questions. This, however, may not be the thread for it. Heh ... we've already hijacked this one beyond the point of no return. I suspect a lock shall soon be coming.

It's part of SCIENCE!
And these are sciencie bits are critical to our survival and our social lives. And these are the sciencie bits that WE CAN'T CONTROL although they are critical to us.

That's why humans can't control everything.

My guess? Rose truly loved you. You found out she was a transexual, a fact which she was reluctant to share, knowing how you would react. You confronted her (that is, you exploded, berated her, called her vile and horrible names, refused to even listen to her side, and perhaps even threatened or committed physical violence). In self defense, she said that she didn't love you, even though she did. She is a wonderful, loving person who is now very badly hurt, and you lost out on a loving relationship because of your prejudices. She, however, will be better off in the long run because she deserves MUCH better than you.


AMEN!!

Oh I do too! However, the people above want this person to wear a badge or something that says "Hi! I used to have a penis!" I find that vulgar.

If the relationship is becoming a close, trusting relationship that could potentially lead to marriage, then yes, I'd say be open about it. If it's just a casual, fun friendship relationship, then there's no point in mentioning it.

I suspect Drzhen's harsh reaction is because he's worried that he's now "got gay" and all that therapy he's talking about is so he can be assured he's not some newly indoctorinated "low-life fag" because he happened to dip his wick in that which used to have a penis.

God is laughing at him.

It's a common courtesy to make sure both people in a relationship, serious or not, are aware of what gender you are if there's any reason to doubt it. It has nothing to do with intolerance (not that he is actually being intolerant -- tolerance is just that, tolerating somebody whether you agree or not, it doesn't involve total acceptance), it has nothing to do with 'wearing a badge', it's to do with honesty. And dishonesty about something this major is, quite obviously, going to hurt a lot. Quite frankly if he/she hadn't mentioned this little fact after three months, then chances are he/she never intended to tell him, something I've seen all-too-often. If your god promotes lying and trickery of this nature, and then laughs about the pain it causes, he's a sick bastard and so is anyone who agrees with him. This kind of talk validates all the negatives about religion that I try not to believe.

I'll answer anything I can to the best of my ablities. I don't mind even argumentative questions. This, however, may not be the thread for it. Heh ... we've already hijacked this one beyond the point of no return. I suspect a lock shall soon be coming.
yeah I think you are right. thanks.

It's a common courtesy to make sure both people in a relationship, serious or not, are aware of what gender you are if there's any reason to doubt it.

Define "gender" and then we'll talk.

yeah I think you are right. thanks.

Here ya go ... use this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426270

I've been solidly active in it.

Strength to deal with what life deals...? I thought God had the plan...who determines what life "deals out?"



Dhrzen no longer believes in God. Why would you thank something that doesn't exist?
If that is the case, that one from one lie and betrayal caused him to not believe in God i would say that the Faith that was destroyed was not much of a faith to begin with,personally it is my opinion that people who say that they don't believe in God anymore because of a setback are just pissed at God, they don't stop believing in Him, where's the logic is ranting at a God he says no longer exists. He's just peeved that God never personally stepped down out of Heaven and set things right for him.

Define "gender" and then we'll talk.

I think that the point he was trying to make is that being a transexual is something that you could reasonably expect a prospective partner to want to know about. It is something that will come up eventually and there are large number who would not want to be in a sexual relationship with a transexual. This is not discrimination/intolerence, it is a sexual preference (and not really a shallow one like sy prefering blondes) and the woman involved misled the guy into doing something he would not have consented to under his sexual preference.

Define "gender" and then we'll talk.

"Define gender"? Even if I were to play this game, as I said, it's irrelevant -- this is an issue of trust. I'm the sort of person who your average right-wing nut would define as 'evil and immoral', being in favour of gay marriage, abortion rights, transsexuals, etc etc. But when you are in a relationship with a person for three months, you tell them about something this. Just as you should tell them if you were already married, if you had children, if you had some sort of communicable disease, if you were allergic to bread, etc, etc. If your partner can't deal, better you find out sooner than later. Transsexuals know as well as the rest of us that some people can't handle this sort of thing, so lying about it for so long is despicable. If there was any love in this relationship, he wouldn't have found out about it from somebody else.

I don't think we will talk at all. I think I've said all I have to say to you.

Of all the permutations of sexuality, hermaphrodites and transexuals have the hardest road to walk. First a transexual finds themselves in a body of the wrong sex, then moves to correct the problem. Through all of this, the majority of the world treats that person as an abnormal freak. Is it any wonder that such a person might be reluctant to tell someone their secret?

And ultimately, it is the decision of the transexual as to when and how the information should be divulged, as it is with any secret. There is no moral obligation to confess up front "I used to be a man", KNOWING what the reaction is likely to be.

And ultimately, it is the decision of the transexual as to when and how the information should be divulged, as it is with any secret. There is no moral obligation to confess up front "I used to be a man", KNOWING what the reaction is likely to be.
There is no moral obligation to tell everyone you meet, however there is a moral obligation to tell someone you are in a relationship with(or seek to be in a relationship with).

Yes. There's the one true Christian God, and also other gods, such as the Muslim Allah, and the Buddhist Buddha and the Hindu millions-of-gods.


It's all the same God, people just call him different names.

No. I do not recognise the "other gods". Those are human concepts of gods. There is only one true God - the Christian God. I'm sorry if I misled you to believe otherwise.

So how is it that the Christian GOD is real but the other interpretations are not?

So how is it that the Christian GOD is real but the other interpretations are not?
to Christains the Christain GOD is real and the others are not. To others our God isn't real. Why is that hard to understand?

Nope ... I'm Muslim, born and raised Jewish.

how'd that happen? if you odn't mind me asking?

muslim but grew up in a jewish area? converted? etc?

to Christains the Christain GOD is real and the others are not. To others our God isn't real. Why is that hard to understand?

"I do not recognise the "other gods". Those are human concepts of gods" by DG.

Being an agnostic i just the statement funny. If he'd said "same god different interpretations. Our interpretation is right and yours is wrong" then fair enough, i guess.
But "my omniscent being who i've never seen/heard/touched is real while yours is not" just seems silly. my opinion though

It's all the same God, people just call him different names.
Name-calling.... that's not very nice.

;)

Name-calling.... that's not very nice.

;)

bah let him complain to the mods like everyone else has too ;)

how'd that happen? if you odn't mind me asking?

muslim but grew up in a jewish area? converted? etc?

My mother is Jewish, I grew up Jewish (yeshiva, bar mitzvah, the whole lot) and in November of last year, converted to Islam.

There is no moral obligation to tell everyone you meet, however there is a moral obligation to tell someone you are in a relationship with(or seek to be in a relationship with).

Why? If the person you are seeking a relationship with thinks you are a woman (and, in truth, Rose IS a woman) where is the moral obligation to explain your past? If I changed my name, or once went to jail, these things are my own business. I am not obligated to tell anyone about them, relationships notwithstanding.

Why is Rose obligated to say "I used to be a physically a man, but was always psychologically a woman, and now have had surgery to correct the condition."? If a person born in a female body had extensive plastic surgery, or was taking drugs for a medical condition, would you insist that to disclose these things was a moral obligation?

Your example is horrible and I feel for you so much, I think trust issues are horrible. But, and I say this as a Christian who had severe eating disorders, it isn't proof that there's no loving God. I think modern Christians have forgotten about the Devil and the influence he has on this world and they haven't impressed this truth on the Faithful enough. I don't pretend to understand why your horrible experience happened to you, but I do know that dismissing the entire concept of Divinity because of one horrific experience (and I've no doubt it was horrific beyond words) is probably to fatally misunderstand the entire nature of religious belief and justification for belief. I am, however, so sorry to hear it happened to you and I'll pray for you. I truly, genuinely hope your life improves and I'm sure it will.

There is no moral obligation to confess up front "I used to be a man", KNOWING what the reaction is likely to be.

It is because they know what the reaction is likely to be that they are morally obligated to tell their partner. If the reaction is a negative one, it is obvious that this is not a thing that their partner agrees with. In my eyes, it is almost like forcing homosexuality on a person -- although it may be true that this Rose may view herself as a woman, and I have no right to tell her otherwise, her PARTNER may not. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Trying to force acceptance of something like this via lies is immoral.

Why is Rose obligated to say "I used to be physically a man, but was always psychologically a woman, and now have had surgery to correct the condition."? If a person born in a female body had extensive plastic surgery, or was taking drugs for a medical condition, would you insist that to disclose these things was a moral obligation?.

It is because they know what the reaction is likely to be that they are morally obligated to tell their partner. If the reaction is a negative one, it is obvious that this is not a thing that their partner agrees with. In my eyes, it is almost like forcing homosexuality on a person -- although it may be true that this Rose may view herself as a woman, and I have no right to tell her otherwise, her PARTNER may not. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Trying to force acceptance of something like this via lies is immoral.


It is not forcing homosexuality on anyone. Rose was not homosexual. She was transexual, that is a woman who happened to be born into a male body. She had to take steps to correct the problem, just as someone born with a cleft palate would, but as she is a woman, homosexuality is not at issue here. And she is not trying to force anything on anyone... she is merely trying to live her life. The only thing I can fault her for is perhaps poor judgement in picking a partner who is so obviously prejudiced.

While God may be kind and loving, he also has a mean streak. He is an angry and veangefull God too, and sometimes, he is mean to people for non good reason. Look at what happened to poor Job.

It is not forcing homosexuality on anyone. Rose was not homosexual. She was transexual, that is a woman who happened to be born into a male body. She had to take steps to correct the problem, just as someone born with a cleft palate would, but as she is a woman, homosexuality is not at issue here. And she is not trying to force anything on anyone... she is merely trying to live her life. The only thing I can fault her for is perhaps poor judgement in picking a partner who is so obviously prejudiced.


And I can fault her for much more than picking a "prejudiced" partner.

You obvious have your preconceived notion that, "Transexuals" are truly the sex they change to. I do not. I'm not christian (in the least bit.) and I avoid politics and political discussion like the plague. Yet, I would have an issue with my girlfriend telling me, "I used to be a man. I'm a woman born in a man's body, but I fixed the condition."

I'm sorry, but really, I think instead of fixing the problem you are exacerbating the real, underlying, psychological problem. You're a woman born into a woman's body? Vice Versa? Skip surgery and lets see how we can fix the mental wiring.

The cleft pallate analogy may be a good one, but that is fixing a tangible problem as opposed to a mental one. A mental problem, such as Transexualism. It is also akin to homosexuality, in the sense that they would be attracted to members of their "original sex", while following the logic that no surgery in the world can change who they really are. Getting my arms amputated and wings implanted in their stead does not make me a bird, no matter how much I may be a bird born into a man's body.

With that said, I feel for the OP's issue. She was a nasty, nasty human being for that, if it is indeed the way you say it was. People who suffer this condition should be upfront about it with their partners, period. It has little to do with morality, ethics, or homophobia. It has to do with the fact that secrets that could potentially truly hurt your partner should not be kept under wraps for as long as possible. Me? I wouldn't be able to keep a relatiosnhip with a transexual. This from someone who is entirely friendly to the gay community. Hell, I spent last New Years Eve at a Lesbian Club with my mom. :p

Big hands? Adam's apple? Deep voice? Now you know are you sure you couldn't tell?

I'm an atheist, but sometimes when stuff like this happens it makes me think there is a god and it's got a seriously twisted sense of humour!


Ok, I hate to laugh at peoples pain but...........


LMFAO that was funny

One night, I cried. It was the first time in years I had cried, and I actually got on my knees and prayed. I poured my soul out, I mentioned as much as I could, the wrongs I had committed, the things I wish I could change. And I asked for peace and comfort.

For the next three months, I dated someone.

Until I found out they were a transexual.

Fuck God. Why? Because that's cruel. Now I'm still undergoing intensive therapy, I suffer from extreme trust issues with people, and I am somewhat self-isolating. I can't be with people... my chest constricts.

How is this peace and comfort? For fuck's sakes?

Peace and comfort is not in seeking material pleasures and sense gratification. Real peace and comfort is in surrendering yourselves completely in knowledge to the Supreme and being engaged in devotional service to the Supreme in full God consciousness at all moments and activities.

Anything else is for our material pleasures which brings along with it pain too.
It is for this reason that the Bhagwad Gita refers to this material world as Dukhalayam - a place of misery (Dukh-misery, alayam-place/abode). In this world all material pleasures come along with pain. If you ask for material pleasures, you will get material pain also along with it, free of cost.

So how can you blame God for the result of your willful indulgence in material pleasures? God does not interfere with anybody's karma.

I shared this experience of mine so I could be more comfortable talking about it, and in time, get over it. I am neither intolerant nor prejudist. I have a couple close friends who are openly-or-less gay and lesbian, and I have no issues. It's their own personal lives, their sexuality is of no consequence to my perception of them. They're good people, otherwise I wouldn't be friends with them. But when I meet someone, and try to start a relationship, to learn that they are not who they say they are, is something not normal. I am interested in women, not men who surgically alter themselves. I am a heterosexual male.

I almost get the feeling most of you are only interested in spewing out smart-ass comments, and it's extremely offensive to me, and childish. Many of you should be ashamed. You had no right to make such statements, and you hadn't seen the rest of my posts. Some of you are quick to make assumptions on other aspects of my personal life, which contradicts your own condemnation of me for my "judging" qualities.

Katrina never affected me directly. I'm sure if I was there, my perception would greatly change, as I would have lost so much. It's only our personal experiences that change us; indirect actions hardly make us who we are.

Alot of you are acting like children. Grow the fuck up.

I shared this experience of mine so I could be more comfortable talking about it, and in time, get over it. I am neither intolerant nor prejudist. I have a couple close friends who are openly-or-less gay and lesbian, and I have no issues. It's their own personal lives, their sexuality is of no consequence to my perception of them. They're good people, otherwise I wouldn't be friends with them. But when I meet someone, and try to start a relationship, to learn that they are not who they say they are, is something not normal. I am interested in women, not men who surgically alter themselves. I am a heterosexual male.
Yes. It doesn't matter whether this issue was about transexuals or that she had another boyfriend. He/she lied about it. It's disgraceful.

I almost get the feeling most of you are only interested in spewing out smart-ass comments, and it's extremely offensive to me, and childish. Many of you should be ashamed. You had no right to make such statements, and you hadn't seen the rest of my posts. Some of you are quick to make assumptions on other aspects of my personal life, which contradicts your own condemnation of me for my "judging" qualities.

Katrina never affected me directly. I'm sure if I was there, my perception would greatly change, as I would have lost so much. It's only our personal experiences that change us; indirect actions hardly make us who we are.

Alot of you are acting like children. Grow the fuck up.

Well, if I had offended you in anyway, I'm very sorry. I just want to make sure

a: you're alright. But you're posting, so that's good.

and

b: don't equate your misfortune with the non-existence of a god.

Yes. There's the one true Christian God, and also other gods, such as the Muslim Allah, and the Buddhist Buddha and the Hindu millions-of-gods.

"God" with a capital "G" is usually taken as the Christian God. And if Drzhen wasn't praying to the Christian God, he can't blame the Christian God for not listening to his prayers, then, can he?

It's ignorance like yours that causes non-Christians to further hate us Christians.

You see Christianity as some exclusive right to heaven. Do you think Jesus went through the kind of hellish suffering He did when He died for our sins, just to exclude millions of caring people who might also be devoted to God?

Don't you remember Jesus saying that there are only two things you need to do in this world: "Put God above all else, and love they neighbor as you love yourself"?

For your information, educated Christians DO recognize Allah as the same God. Allah, Jehova, they're all the same God, just with different names and different concepts behind the beliefs. Just because we might not believe in Mohammed in the same was that Muslims do does not negate that Allah is God.

Please, save your ignorance. Do you really believe that Mahatma Gandhi is rotting in "hell" because he is not a Christian? Your self-rightousness is nauseating, and is far from Jesus's teachings that you claim to follow.

I hope you open your mind and your heart, and realize that there is more to the Workings of God than a particular sect of a particular church. We're all part of the same Church of God, it's just that some don't realize it. But that's for God to handle, and I don't mean with punishment.

There's a passage that talks about the self-righteous man who becomes jealous when a serious sinner gets greater rewards in heaven than the man does. God basically tells him that He owes him nothing and he should be content with that which was granted to him.

Don't feel like you have some right to heaven over someone else, even if they don't believe, just because you claim to be a Christian.

We Christians DON'T own God, no matter what the Pope, Martin Luther, or any other leader of a Christian sect of religion says.

Emeroe: I admit that I was bad-tempered when the post was made, and there's an apology thread at Page 5 or 6. But I would still like to make some points in defence of my actions:

It's ignorance like yours that causes non-Christians to further hate us Christians.
Jesus said: "Happy are you when men give you a bad name, and are cruel to you, and say all evil things against you falsely, because of me. Be glad and full of joy; for great is your reward in heaven: for so were the prophets attacked who were before you." Matthew 5:11-12. You didn't become Christian to be liked by your peers.

You see Christianity as some exclusive right to heaven. Do you think Jesus went through the kind of hellish suffering He did when He died for our sins, just to exclude millions of caring people who might also be devoted to God?
"Jesus said to him, I am the true and living way: no one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6 No other religion places Jesus the Christ and His salvation at the top. He did die for all our sins, but some of us are just unwilling to receive that gift.

Don't you remember Jesus saying that there are only two things you need to do in this world: "Put God above all else, and love they neighbor as you love yourself"?
I do. I do love my neighbours, that's why I want to spread Christianity far and wide, so as many people will be saved.

For your information, educated Christians DO recognize Allah as the same God. Allah, Jehova, they're all the same God, just with different names and different concepts behind the beliefs. Just because we might not believe in Mohammed in the same was that Muslims do does not negate that Allah is God.
"Jesus said to him, I am the true and living way: no one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6 No one goes to God BUT BY JESUS.

Please, save your ignorance. Do you really believe that Mahatma Gandhi is rotting in "hell" because he is not a Christian? Your self-rightousness is nauseating, and is far from Jesus's teachings that you claim to follow. How far can you prove that Mahatma Gandhi is not a sinner? "For all have done wrong and are far from the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 ALL have done wrong. You are telling me not to judge somebody's place in Heaven or Hell, but that's exactly what you're doing bringing up Gandhi. Who are you to decide that he's NOT rotting in Hell?

I hope you open your mind and your heart, and realize that there is more to the Workings of God than a particular sect of a particular church. We're all part of the same Church of God, it's just that some don't realize it. But that's for God to handle, and I don't mean with punishment.
Did I imply that any one of the Church sects are completely right or wrong? Well, I know that there are many churches that do not follow the true Word of God anymore. They stall and they fall into decline - just like some of the churches in Paul's time.

There's a passage that talks about the self-righteous man who becomes jealous when a serious sinner gets greater rewards in heaven than the man does. God basically tells him that He owes him nothing and he should be content with that which was granted to him.
Where's the passage? While God indeed tells us to be humble before all things, He also told us to become teachers and guide others to Christianity. Inevitably then, you have to make others know that they are sinners. "Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:" Matthew 28:19

Don't feel like you have some right to heaven over someone else, even if they don't believe, just because you claim to be a Christian.
But I do have a place in Heaven, because I'm Christian. It has been promised in the Bible by Jesus. If I cannot be sure that God promises will be kept, then how am I devoting my full self to Him? Of course I can't decide who is in Heaven and who is not, but God can, and God, through Paul, said: "For the reward of sin is death", but He immediately continues: "but what God freely gives is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23. There are still people who are unwilling to receive this gift. In other words they are still embroiled in sin. And they will not be forgiven unless they ask sincerely for forgiveness because "The Lord...will not let the sinner go without punishment". Nahum 1:3

We Christians DON'T own God, no matter what the Pope, Martin Luther, or any other leader of a Christian sect of religion says.
But we are PART of God. If the power, love AND justice doesn't shine through in our lives, then we can't call our Christians. Now I admit I was a little too judgemental and not loving enough, but that's something I'm learning.

It wasn't just the fact the "woman" was a transexual. I found out because I met a friend of "her's", and she blabbed it to me once while we were alone.

I confronted "Rose" with this, and she said she didn't love me, and that she was using me.

Are you satisfied now?

And you DIDN'T shoot her/him? Why?

Meh..