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I give you this clip (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678976) , which was taken from today's Hannity and Colmes. No spin, no bullshit. Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith are down in NO on the bridge and superdome and they're pouring their heart out towards their fellow man, speaking the truth. Rivera himself is in tears and Shepard even snaps at Hannity.

What they say is just profound. I think they deserve something. Iunno. Raises, medals... something. Not to mention do what they say and let these people leave.

So what say you?

I give them points for humanity, but Geraldo just has a very notorious rep for being a bad reporter, and Fox News for leaning more then the tower of Pisa.

I give them points for humanity, but Geraldo just has a very notorious rep for being a bad reporter, and Fox News for leaning more then the tower of Pisa.

Quite possibly. I can't say most of the other major (American) news sources are much better though.

I do give him props for getting a wake-up call. I'm almost surprised he didn't get one in Iraq...

it's easy to see if you're news source isn't biased. If you disagree with around half of the things posted, that means it is fair! Bias is from telling one side of the story, and because everyone has an inherit side, that means you will either like or dislike anything put up.

So what say you?
Too little, too late. They're basically jumping on the bandwagon on the final day, now that it's obvious it's safe to speak out.

I congratulate Fox News on doing all that they can to assist people. Shephard Smith was just on one of the late night TV shows telling us what he seen. It was heart renching.

I congratulate Fox News on bringing to attention of people that needed rescue and making sure that those people were rescued.

Congrats Fox News!

it's easy to see if you're news source isn't biased. If you disagree with around half of the things posted, that means it is fair! Bias is from telling one side of the story, and because everyone has an inherit side, that means you will either like or dislike anything put up.

Umm.. sorry to sound stupid, but are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? :p

*cookies to you either way*

(And I agree with what you said)

Too little, too late. They're basically jumping on the bandwagon on the final day, now that it's obvious it's safe to speak out.

Apparently someone here hasn't been watching coverage from Fox News at all. They were trying to bring to the attention of rescuers of peope that needed help. They forced some rescue operations and had friends perform rescue ops themselves.

Umm.. sorry to sound stupid, but are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? :p

*cookies to you either way*

(And I agree with what you said)

I think that Fox News is the only org that blatantly shows their bias at that level. any other bias in the other orgs are minute (or minuet, whatever means small)
the only other instance was that ABC (wasn't it?) Thing with the Bush AWOL stuff, and you know what the decent anchor in that situation did? He resigned. Fox would maybe shape up if they showed such character.

Apparently someone here hasn't been watching coverage from Fox News at all. They were trying to bring to the attention of rescuers of peope that needed help. They forced some rescue operations and had friends perform rescue ops themselves.

Yeah, I've been watching Fox and MSNBC and both are rather emotional in their reports about the whole thing. I think it's a wake up call for most field reporters.

EDIT: And w00t 600th post! *releases 600 balloons into the room*

okay...

It's not like they blamed Bush or his brilliant choice for the FEMA cheif for the extent of the destruction and death toll. Nor do they redeem FOX from people like Brit Hume and Bill O'Reilly. Once they come clean and openly admit that they manipulated many of their stories and omitted facts to support their conservative agenda, then and only then will they be fully redeemed.

Yeah, I've been watching Fox and MSNBC and both are rather emotional in their reports about the whole thing. I think it's a wake up call for most field reporters.

I have to agree with you. Even the ones that saw combat in Iraq said it was the most horrific thing they saw. Many lives have been changed from this tragedy.

okay...

It's not like they blamed Bush or his brilliant choice for the FEMA cheif for the extent of the destruction and death toll. Nor do they redeem FOX from people like Brit Hume and Bill O'Reilly. Once they come clean and openly admit that they manipulated many of their stories and omitted facts to support their conservative agenda, then and only then will they be fully redeemed.

Achtung, Bill managed to get a few people rescued in his own right. How? He managed to get the attention of the rescuers and pointed them to where these people are.

Fox News Saved lives during this tragedy. For that, they deserve an award. As do other networks if they did the samething.

I congratulate Fox News on doing all that they can to assist people. Shephard Smith was just on one of the late night TV shows telling us what he seen. It was heart renching.

I congratulate Fox News on bringing to attention of people that needed rescue and making sure that those people were rescued.

Congrats Fox News!
As opposed to all the other networks that have done the exact same thing?

As opposed to all the other networks that have done the exact same thing?

Well, if they're the propaganda-spewing conservative machine that you claim them to be, wouldn't this be a step in the right direction?

As opposed to all the other networks that have done the exact same thing?well this thread is about Fox News.

The only way to repair the obvious damage to their rep is not through humanitarian aid, but reconciliation. Pure and simple. I shudder to think of the person that isn't moved by the scene, but it is not a redeeming trait. it is practically standard.

As opposed to all the other networks that have done the exact same thing?

I already know of other stations that did the samething and they deserve an award as well.

Everyone is doing all that they can to help these people.

The only way to repair the obvious damage to their rep is not through humanitarian aid, but reconciliation. Pure and simple. I shudder to think of the person that isn't moved by the scene, but it is not a redeeming trait. it is practically standard.

What's your take on how they should reconcile themselves?

You know, it’s costing Fox more than they are making to report out of New Orleans. I don’t know about the other news agencies, but I can only assume it’s the same all around.

Achtung, Bill managed to get a few people rescued in his own right. How? He managed to get the attention of the rescuers and pointed them to where these people are.

Fox News Saved lives during this tragedy. For that, they deserve an award. As do other networks if they did the samething.
What the fuck? First of all, don't count on me to watch FOX all the time, much less Bill's show. Second, when did FOX News helicopters and trucks come and evacuate refugees in the area? Please tell me how fox directly saved lives and the other networks didn't, I'm sort of confused there. Don't issue extra credit where none is deserved. From what I've seen, all major media networks have done a profound job covering the evacuation and rescue of people, FOX included.

1. stop only only conservative anchors.
2. bar giving personal opinion about certain things unless it is the specific purpose of the show.
3. in a debate, don't bring a PHD conservative vs a hobo on the street (inexperienced poltical speaker, in other words)
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40000. blah blah

Ah, thank you for clearing that up.

Geraldo gets points. Hanity seemed to be trying to spin bravely in the face of adversity.

Well, if they're the propaganda-spewing conservative machine that you claim them to be, wouldn't this be a step in the right direction?
and merely a step that will see no further progress, I'm sure.

With certain news-people that make Kerry and Clinton look hardcore conservative, Fox news is a breath a fresh air. I mean, the only ones calling that channel biased are liberals(calling it too conservative) and conservatives(too liberal for them), which probably means that it is pretty much unbiased,or at least moreso than most other news agencies. I mean, even Bill has his liberal days and his conservative days. He complains that certain states aren't doing enough to combat certain crimes. He lets just about anyone on his show, sometimes even freak shows. It was funny when people bashed him for being too anti-Sheehan when he showed footage of her protests. Overall, I think fox News is helping the victims the most. I know Geraldo needs to do some fact-checkings himself(whether it be spilling tpp many beans in Iraq or that infamous Capone-vault footage), but other reporters have done the same. At least he isn't purposely performing acts of yellow journalism.

What the fuck? First of all, don't count on me to watch FOX all the time, much less Bill's show. Second, when did FOX News helicopters and trucks come and evacuate refugees in the area? Please tell me how fox directly saved lives and the other networks didn't, I'm sort of confused there. Don't issue extra credit where none is deserved. From what I've seen, all major media networks have done a profound job covering the evacuation and rescue of people, FOX included.

Since apparently I have to explain it to you, they brought the plight of people to rescuerers and gave them street addresses who then went out to these people.

Since you don't watch Fox News, there really is no point in pointing out success stories thanks to Fox News. I'm sure there are similiar stories from other networks.

Those that helped in rescuing people deserve an award.

and merely a step that will see no further progress, I'm sure.

Now, now. That's a rather pessimistic view of things, don't you think? I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but that's just me. I'm doing it with most major news networks as well. (Most and not all because I don't watch them all.)

Does anybody still blame the Jews for running television? or is that rumor all but gone now...?

Does anybody still blame the Jews for running television? or is that rumor all but gone now...?

Neo-Nazis? Conspiratists? Really old, senile chaps with nothing better to do?

Does anybody still blame the Jews for running television? or is that rumor all but gone now...?oh that's old, it's now the Flying Spagetti Monster. :D

oh that's old, it's now the Flying Spagetti Monster. :D
I thought Myrth had some part in it now...? :p

I thought Myrth had some part in it now...? :pOMG... are you saying that Myrth is the FSM? :eek:

OMG... are you saying that Myrth is the FSM? :eek:

I thought he dumped NS to become the head leader of the Illumin--erm, I mean Those Who Shall Not Be Named?

Fox News Is Red Hot In August

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Fox News is red hot in August By Paul J. Gough
56 minutes ago



NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - Fox News scored its largest audience so far this year in August, a month when most of the other cable news channels suffered ratings declines in comparison with convention-heavy 2004

According to data released Tuesday by Nielsen Media Research, Fox News tallied slightly more than 2 million total viewers in primetime during the month, a 32% improvement over its year-ago figures.

By contrast, CNN lost 19% of its primetime viewership (to 748,000), and MSNBC dropped 22% to 349,000 in August compared with a year ago. CNN's Headline News, on the strength of "Nancy Grace" and other primetime programming, jumped 117% to 449,000 viewers, making it the third-ranked news channel in primetime, overtaking MSNBC.

In the news demographic of adults 25-54, Fox News ruled again, with 541,000 viewers, up 12%, while CNN lost 9% to 236,000 and MSNBC was mostly flat at 145,000. Headline News averaged 160,000, up 111%.

Fox News owned 11 of the top 12 shows in cable news, with 2.5 million viewers for No. 1 "The O'Reilly Factor" (up 13%) and 2.2 million viewers for "On the Record With Greta Van Susteren." Greta Van Susteren's show, which has seen a major boost in the ratings with its coverage of the Natalee Holloway story in Aruba, saw a 36% boost in viewership.

CNN's sole entry in the top 10, "Larry King Live," saw viewership fall 27% to 1 million. "The Situation Room," which debuted this month, averaged 466,000 viewers, down 14% compared to the political-heavy coverage on CNN last year. On the other hand, "Nancy Grace" gave Headline News its highest month ever, with 738,000 viewers in August. That was just behind "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and "Paula Zahn Now"; "Paula Zahn Now" saw its total viewership rise 6% to 596,000, though its demo coverage was flat.

Fox News also won the ratings war in hurricane coverage Monday, according to Nielsen data released Tuesday afternoon. Fox News averaged 2.8 million viewers in total day -- a 247% increase over the same day in 2004 -- ahead of CNN's 1.8 million viewers and MSNBC's 679,000.

I give you this clip (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678976) , which was taken from today's Hannity and Colmes. No spin, no bullshit. Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith are down in NO on the bridge and superdome and they're pouring their heart out towards their fellow man, speaking the truth. Rivera himself is in tears and Shepard even snaps at Hannity.

What they say is just profound. I think they deserve something. Iunno. Raises, medals... something. Not to mention do what they say and let these people leave.

So what say you?
Proudly going where others have gone before ...
And what exactly about that clip is deserving of any real praise? Above and beyond what other reporters are also doing?

Proudly going where others have gone before ...
And what exactly about that clip is deserving of any real praise? Above and beyond what other reporters are also doing?

The fact that perhaps they're stepping up to the plate for a change (for those who see them as an OMG!EVIL!News network). I'm not saying they're standing out among the other contributors, but they're doing something right for a change.

I give you this clip (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678976) , which was taken from today's Hannity and Colmes. No spin, no bullshit. Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith are down in NO on the bridge and superdome and they're pouring their heart out towards their fellow man, speaking the truth. Rivera himself is in tears and Shepard even snaps at Hannity.

What they say is just profound. I think they deserve something. Iunno. Raises, medals... something. Not to mention do what they say and let these people leave.

So what say you?
it must be jarring for Foxnews reporters having their first encounter with reality

I congratulate Fox News on doing all that they can to assist people. Shephard Smith was just on one of the late night TV shows telling us what he seen. It was heart renching.

I congratulate Fox News on bringing to attention of people that needed rescue and making sure that those people were rescued.

Congrats Fox News!
what a big difference to this response then to the London subway bombings when Brit Hume celebrated it as a "investment opportunity"

Achtung, Bill managed to get a few people rescued in his own right. How? He managed to get the attention of the rescuers and pointed them to where these people are.

Fox News Saved lives during this tragedy. For that, they deserve an award. As do other networks if they did the samething.
this story is not too credible--O'Reilly has been known to lie in the past about cases of false heroism

I mean, the only ones calling that channel biased are liberals(calling it too conservative) and conservatives(too liberal for them), which probably means that it is pretty much unbiased.LOL...thats pathetic.

some Fox reporter did something he was supposed to do...and now you are calling FOX unbiased...

we have an unbiased Bridge we want to sell you :D

I fail to see how this story does anything at all to redeem fox news.

Quite possibly. I can't say most of the other major (American) news sources are much better though.

True; in NZ on SkyNews we get the American edition of 20/20 - my god, it as though they got a focus group and they either wanted to make sure the article made them cry themselves to a stupor or get so pissed off that they want to riot.

Yes, the bias is attrocious, but I think that FOX, quite frankly, takes it too far - it is akin to the type of crap one seems on the Trinity Broadcast Network with their "Christian News".

Oh, and it isn't about disagreeing, it is about the lack of showing the two sides of the story or showing the complete story, or worse, simply makign things up; like the claim by the FOX reporter that the flag, that was used to cover the face of Saddam, on the statue was pulled down, was off one of the twin tower buildings - yes, he did actually say that.

Also, interesting how they deliberably zoomed in to make it appear that there were a heap of people pulling down the statue - Al Jezeraz, they showed the WHOLE square, from a hotel window, and there were only actually a dozen people standing around the statue pulling down - not the 'hundreds' that FOX tried to make out that there were.

I give you this clip (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678976) , which was taken from today's Hannity and Colmes. No spin, no bullshit. Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith are down in NO on the bridge and superdome and they're pouring their heart out towards their fellow man, speaking the truth. Rivera himself is in tears and Shepard even snaps at Hannity.

What they say is just profound. I think they deserve something. Iunno. Raises, medals... something. Not to mention do what they say and let these people leave.

So what say you?

i say I have no idea who these people are you speak of

I won't give Fox News credit, but I will give Shepherd Smith and Geraldo Rivera credit for being moved by the situation--I've got that clip on my computer and it's heartbreaking. Those two reporters may have regained their humanity by being down there--as has Anderson Cooper of CNN.

But if you watch that clip from Hannity and Colmes, you can see why I'm not giving Fox News any credit for this--it's obvious that Hannity is still trying to spin this for the administration. The O'Reilley transcript is equally clear--he's trying to defend the indefensible, because he's a hack.

So credit where it's due--Smith and Rivera stopped being hacks for a bit. I hope it lasts.

Achtung, Bill managed to get a few people rescued in his own right. How? He managed to get the attention of the rescuers and pointed them to where these people are.

Fox News Saved lives during this tragedy. For that, they deserve an award. As do other networks if they did the samething.
Give CNN an award too (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/aftermath_situation_room_segment_prompts_rescue_of_six_people_25501.asp):his afternoon on The Situation Room, CNN political contributor Donna Brazile pleaded for helping finding one of her sisters.

"My sister Sheila is still missing," Brazile said. "...Sheila in an assisted living facility. I've talked to FEMA. I've talked to everybody. Wolf, you would be amazed the people I've talked to."

Brazile gave out the address of the facility. The interview aired around 4:55pm. Someone from the Fish & Wildlife Service was listening, because they dispatched a boat to the place where her sister was last known to have been.

"The Fish and Wildlife workers found a house with six people still alive, but completely out of food and water. It's not clear that they could have lasted much longer," a tipster says...
This sort of thing is happening all over the place, and it's good, regardless of channel or the ideologies behind it.

it must be jarring for Foxnews reporters having their first encounter with reality

Fox News was the First into Baghdad dude. They were in the thick of the fighting during Operation Iraqi Freedom. They know what reality is. Can't say the same for liberals though.

Give CNN an award too (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/aftermath_situation_room_segment_prompts_rescue_of_six_people_25501.asp):
This sort of thing is happening all over the place, and it's good, regardless of channel or the ideologies behind it.

"do other networks if they did the samething."

If CNN did the same thing, which apparently they did, then yes, they deserve an award too.

WHy can't people actually read my posts and put 2 and 2 together?

I give them points for humanity, but Geraldo just has a very notorious rep for being a bad reporter, and Fox News for leaning more then the tower of Pisa.
The only redeeming part of Fox News' talk shows is when Colmes hits his bullshit limit and snaps at crazy people like Ann Coulter.

okay...

It's not like they blamed Bush or his brilliant choice for the FEMA cheif for the extent of the destruction and death toll. Nor do they redeem FOX from people like Brit Hume and Bill O'Reilly. Once they come clean and openly admit that they manipulated many of their stories and omitted facts to support their conservative agenda, then and only then will they be fully redeemed.

Liberals first.

"do other networks if they did the samething."

If CNN did the same thing, which apparently they did, then yes, they deserve an award too.

WHy can't people actually read my posts and put 2 and 2 together?
You know, after I posted that, I thought you'd probably take it in a way other than it was intended. I should have been more clear and not challenging--I meant it to be informing, nothing else. Sorry.

I do need to revise some of what I said about Geraldo Rivera earlier, though--apparently, he's still a douchebag. (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/05/cityinruins/index.html) I should also note that the writer of this piece, Stephen Elliott, is a personal friend of mine. We got to know each other when I lived in San Francisco.
Geraldo Rivera arrives in a Fox News truck. An elderly woman with blond hair grips his elbow. She's wearing thick dark glasses and a pink shirt. He carries her small white dog in his arms. He's wearing thigh-high waders unzipped to below his knees. We shake hands. "Her relative called one of our stations," Geraldo tells me, explaining how that call went to another station, and then another, and finally to him.

The woman had been stranded in her home for six days. Geraldo picked up the woman and her dog and brought them here. The woman looks frail on his arm, though not as bad perhaps as a lady collapsed on a chair nearby, unable to move. Or a woman in a wheelchair being lifted from the truck, carrying her prosthetic leg on her lap.

"That's the second time he brought her here," one of the doctors tells me, nodding toward Geraldo.

"What?"

"They did two takes. Geraldo made that poor woman walk from the Fox News van to the heliport twice. Both times carrying her dog."

"Are you serious?" I ask. He says he is.

So much for the heroism and the changed attitude.

You know, after I posted that, I thought you'd probably take it in a way other than it was intended. I should have been more clear and not challenging--I meant it to be informing, nothing else. Sorry.

No problem Nazz :)

Everyone makes mistakes :D

I remember the first time I watched the Fox News Channel. I thought it was satire.

Fox News was the First into Baghdad dude. They were in the thick of the fighting during Operation Iraqi Freedom. They know what reality is. Can't say the same for liberals though.

and they were the only ones ever to endanger the troops' lives by revealibng their position.

and they were the only ones ever to endanger the troops' lives by revealibng their position.

Only one idiot did that! Rivera is a fool and we all know that.

Feh. Where was their righteous indignation a week ago? They'll queue to worship at the shrine of the smirking chimp when it suits them, they'll just as easily queue to thrust babies at video-cameras. Do I sound jaded? Sure - and nearly as cynical as the honchos at FOX.

It's too little, too late, with too long a history of shitty ethics and wholehearted cheerleading masquerading as news. Thanks but no thanks, FOXnews.

I'm a bit surprised no one else has commented on the story about Geraldo I posted above, making an elderly woman walk to the helicopter twice so he could get a better shot for the cameras.

La Habana Cuba, that was a nice bit of research you posted there. I'm not sure what the point was though. The Sun is the biggest selling paper in the UK.

Canada City']Liberals first.
Would you please stop claiming to be canadian? It insults us all.

I do need to revise some of what I said about Geraldo Rivera earlier, though--apparently, he's still a douchebag. (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/05/cityinruins/index.html) I should also note that the writer of this piece, Stephen Elliott, is a personal friend of mine. We got to know each other when I lived in San Francisco.


So much for the heroism and the changed attitude.
Wow. What a jackass.

Fox News was the First into Baghdad dude. They were in the thick of the fighting during Operation Iraqi Freedom. They know what reality is. Can't say the same for liberals though.

And the BBC was first into Kabul... whats your point?

And the BBC was first into Kabul... whats your point?
Apparently his point is that they're better equipped, presumably by virtue of their unbridled partisanship and lack or journalistic integrity, to know what 'reality' is supposed to be. Well, better equppied than some ill-defined group, 'other-than' FOXnews, described simply in his statement as 'liberals'.

Whatever the Hell any of that means. Not much, by any account.

Apparently his point is that they're better equipped, presumably by virtue of their unbridled partisanship and lack or journalistic integrity, to know what 'reality' is supposed to be. Well, better equppied than some ill-defined group, 'other-than' FOXnews, described simply in his statement as 'liberals'.

Whatever the Hell any of that means. Not much, by any account.

Ah...

Redemption for what?

They need redemption for playing the ratings game by swapping news with emotive, yellow-journalistic reporting. As far as I can tell this is more of the same. Giraldo obviously used that baby as a prop, and Sheperd gave absolutely no information whatsoever, even when prodded for it.

I agree. However, as journalists, they should (and probably will) look into why the government failed. I bet they will find that it is arcane iinstitutiions that failed Ameriica, and not people.
P.S. Gerraldo Rivera is in New Orleans?! Typical of him. He was always a pig trying to steal the limelight when it is safe, even at NBC.

I'm bush like. I like fox news because ... they're uh um ... "morally correct". They often say good things about me, the bush man, they dont like "laberals". They dont complain about "earl" prices. They're uh uh ... just good moral station with good moral and christian family values. Geraldo Rivera is uh um um ... very nice woman, with good christian values. And they tell the truth about the war and how well its going, cause its uh its going good.

Redemption for what?

They need redemption for playing the ratings game by swapping news with emotive, yellow-journalistic reporting. As far as I can tell this is more of the same. Giraldo obviously used that baby as a prop, and Sheperd gave absolutely no information whatsoever, even when prodded for it.
You know, I looked at that clip again, and while I still think Geraldo was posturing in the way only he can posture, I think Shepard Smith was just overcome, the way Anderson Cooper was a few days before when he almost got ill from the smell of decomposing bodies. I think Smith just hit his breaking point on the air.

You know, I looked at that clip again, and while I still think Geraldo was posturing in the way only he can posture, I think Shepard Smith was just overcome, the way Anderson Cooper was a few days before when he almost got ill from the smell of decomposing bodies. I think Smith just hit his breaking point on the air.

Regardless, I don't see this as redeeming them as a news station.

Shepard Smith broke down after covering NO for several days, this proves he has a heart like any one of us. This doesn't mean that it was good reporting, or that Fox News isn't just entertainment irresponsibly packaged as news.

And the BBC was first into Kabul... whats your point?

No point at all! Was just making statement about real life.

I agree. However, as journalists, they should (and probably will) look into why the government failed. I bet they will find that it is arcane iinstitutiions that failed Ameriica, and not people.
P.S. Gerraldo Rivera is in New Orleans?! Typical of him. He was always a pig trying to steal the limelight when it is safe, even at NBC.

They are. They are asking questions about why it took so long. Even CNN and MSNBC are looking into that as well. I bet when the investigation is done, most of the blame will go towards the Governor and the Mayor! I honestly feel that way.

Yes the Congress and the President will get some blame but the people in LA will get most of it!

Nope, FOX News doesn't get any redemption from me. But, I do have more respect from Geraldo and the other guy. ;) Gonna have to agree with Geraldo using the baby as a prop, but they did a good job being there and telling what it's really like. It makes me sick that Hannity tried to spin what was going on there, and fumbled in his speech when the other guy pretty much told him off.

I won't give Fox News credit, but I will give Shepherd Smith and Geraldo Rivera credit for being moved by the situation--I've got that clip on my computer and it's heartbreaking. Those two reporters may have regained their humanity by being down there--as has Anderson Cooper of CNN.

But if you watch that clip from Hannity and Colmes, you can see why I'm not giving Fox News any credit for this--it's obvious that Hannity is still trying to spin this for the administration. The O'Reilley transcript is equally clear--he's trying to defend the indefensible, because he's a hack.

So credit where it's due--Smith and Rivera stopped being hacks for a bit. I hope it lasts.
if it does last im sure fox will fire them

Fox News was the First into Baghdad dude. They were in the thick of the fighting during Operation Iraqi Freedom. They know what reality is. Can't say the same for liberals though.
embedded journalists are really quite useless arent they

and they were the only ones ever to endanger the troops' lives by revealibng their position.
in fact their reporting reveals nothing at all--they only exist to spin reality in favor of the neocons

Even if Fox News has a conservatist bias I love how they are not allowed to it but your precious CNN, MSNBC, 20/20, etc, are all allowed there extreme liberal bias. O but I forget, they are liberal so it is ok.

embedded journalists are really quite useless arent they

No they aren't. I rather enjoy embedded jounalist reporting. Those reports are mostly more accurate than behind the lines reporters.

Even if Fox News has a conservatist bias I love how they are not allowed to it but your precious CNN, MSNBC, 20/20, etc, are all allowed there extreme liberal bias. O but I forget, they are liberal so it is ok.
Foxnews has a facist bias and the rest of the corporate controlled media has a neocon bias--if there was any liberal media bias things would not have been allowed to get as bad as they have

No they aren't. I rather enjoy embedded jounalist reporting. Those reports are mostly more accurate than behind the lines reporters.
yes its accurate reporting of everything the govt wants you to believe--but the media is supposed to be independent

Al Jazeera is more honest than Faux news channel.
But why should we even pretend has anything to do with journalism.

Walter Cronkite,
probably the most trusted tv news reporter ever,
appeared in a documentary titled
"OutFoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism"
and called them not journalism.

yes its accurate reporting of everything the govt wants you to believe--but the media is supposed to be independent

So what your saying is that everything on TV is faked including all the news that is reported from on the scenes locations.

Have fun with your fantasy world. Leave me out of it.

So what your saying is that everything on TV is faked including all the news that is reported from on the scenes locations.

Have fun with your fantasy world. Leave me out of it.
I realize you have a vested interest in believing what they say--if lies can come true thru constant repeatition then foxnews should get a medal

So what your saying is that everything on TV is faked including all the news that is reported from on the scenes locations.

Have fun with your fantasy world. Leave me out of it.
Tsk. No, he's obviously not saying that 'everything on TV is faked including all the news that is reported from on the scenes locations'. Your dismissals are obscuring the truth.

Good night.

So what your saying is that everything on TV is faked including all the news that is reported from on the scenes locations.

Have fun with your fantasy world. Leave me out of it.


The corporate owned media are a business.
They seek to keep advertisers happy.
To do this they seek to keep affluent eyes happy and cater to their likes
and dislikes. (It's not done conspiratorially, except in some cases like when
the CIA has people "interning" at CNN)
Affluent eyes tend to see the world in a certain way that justifies
their position in society.
Corporate media tend to reflect those biases that also justify the corporations
place in society as well.

Also, because the major media are corporations
they tell the news for profit(?!!??)
Investigative journalism becomes a tad too expensive to do too often.
Coverage of street crime goes up because it is cheap to cover
and easy to explain (don't need much investigating here, huh?)
International bureaus get cut.
I think it was NYTimes that had so many correspondants throughout Europe,
but only 1 one corespondant for ALL of Africa. Despite Africa being about 100+ times more diverse than Europe.


What's the topic again?