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KLEINMOND, South Africa (Reuters) - A South African inventor unveiled a new anti-rape female condom on Wednesday that hooks onto an attacker's penis and aims to cut one of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world.


"Nothing has ever been done to help a woman so that she does not get raped and I thought it was high time," Sonette Ehlers, 57, said of the "rapex", a device worn like a tampon that has sparked controversy in a country used to daily reports of violent crime.

Police statistics show more than 50,000 rapes are reported every year, while experts say the real figure could be four times that as they say most rapes of acquaintances or children are never reported.

Ehlers said the "rapex" hooks onto the rapist's skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.

"He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage," she told reporters in Kleinmond, a small holiday village about 100km (60 miles) east of Cape Town. "I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital."

The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said.

It also reduces the chances of a woman falling pregnant or contracting AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases from the attacker by acting in the same way as a female condom.

South Africa has more people with HIV/AIDS than any other country, with one in nine of its 45 million population infected.

Ehlers, who showed off a prototype on Wednesday, said women had tried it for comfort and it had been tested on a plastic male model but not yet on a live man. Production was planned to start next year.

But the "rapex" has raised fears amongst anti-rape activists that it could escalate violence against women.

"If a victim is wearing such a device it may enrage the attacker further and possibly result in more harm being caused," said Sam Waterhouse, advocacy co-ordinator for Rape Crisis.

Other critics say the condom is mediaeval and barbaric -- an accusation Ehlers says should be directed rather at the act of rape.

"This is not about vengeance ... but the deed, that is what I hate," she said

Hey, South Africa is the country that put flamethrowers on the sides of their cars to prevent carjacking, this really isn't that big a step up. I'm working on a new motto for ZA "South Africa: Mess with our shit, we'll fuck you up!"

Um, too bad that type of thing has been around for centuries. Genghis Khan was allegedly killed by one.

I think back in the 19th century there were some pretty painful anti-rape devices, one involed a syringe that would, well.. be inside the women, and the rest is easy for you to guess.

Mandatory question - Source?

we had this thread awhile ago

How is that castration? Do you not know what castration is?

How is that castration? Do you not know what castration is?

Perhaps the barbs are rigged up to a pulley device that launches projectile blades at the exposed genetalia.

What? It could happen.

Perhaps the barbs are rigged up to a pulley device that launches projectile blades at the exposed genetalia.

What? It could happen.

I would not like to see the sloppy vagina that can fit all that.

What if they just took the device out then raped them?

Pretty likely that the rapist would just get pissed off and beat the woman senseless.

Something that prevented rape, like teaching women how to defend against an attacker, would be far more effective. Prevention is better than the 'cure'

It's about bloody time.

What if they just took the device out then raped them?

Yeah. All the rapist has to do is get a dildo or something to disable the device.

Mandatory question - Source?

:rolleyes:

A wise man checks.

A wise man checks.
A wise man doesn't have to check... he's freely given what less wise have to take by force :cool:

The Ronco Snapper Snapper.

$19.99

Yeah. All the rapist has to do is get a dildo or something to disable the device.
Liek a mousetrap?

Yeah. All the rapist has to do is get a dildo or something to disable the device.

:D

considering quoting this....but is it worthier then the one i alrdy have

Liek a mousetrap?

The device does seem to work like one, so one need just insert some proxy for it to get attached to and fish it out.

Liek a mousetrap?

So what exatly is the 'mouse' trying to eat off it?

*thinks*

ohhhhh..................

:D

considering quoting this....but is it worthier then the one i alrdy have

Dear MuhOre, I am not worthy.

A wise man doesn't have to check... he's freely given what less wise have to take by force :cool:

If you knew the girls I did, you would be afraid that they would forget they were wearing it. :eek:

Dear MuhOre, I am not worthy.


Would baptizing you into an Evangelical Buddhist help?

If you knew the girls I did, you would be afraid that they would forget they were wearing it. :eek:http://www.kosmoliving.com/images/fruit/carrot.jpg

dont leave home without them

Would baptizing you into an Evangelical Buddhist help?

Only if the cleric is hot.

Question: How does the woman remove it?

Only if the cleric is hot.

What if the cleric is cold?

For all we know it could be winter over...wherever they have whatever i just said.

What if the cleric is cold?

For all we know it could be winter over...wherever they have whatever i just said.

Hot and cold weather are no match for Scandinavians such as myself. The cleric's nipples remain objects of interesting manipulation regardless.

It's about bloody time.

Divices like these have been out on the market about scince the dawn of household electrically powered sewing machines. The used to be much like the common banana peeler. Excuse my graphic description but for those of you that are unfamilliar with banana peelers they cut slits lengthwise along the banana. It sounds like the only difference between this and the new product would be barbs or something that would latch onto the man.

:D

considering quoting this....but is it worthier then the one i alrdy have
I don't know if my opinion is worth anything, but I do believe that his quote IS worthier.

Hot and cold weather are no match for Scandinavians such as myself. The cleric's nipples remain objects of interesting manipulation regardless.

manipulation...what you mean you just go around and tweak peoples nipples, whenever you jolly well feel?

manipulation...what you mean you just go around and tweak peoples nipples, whenever you jolly well feel?

If tweeking can be done with teeth, sure.

Ummm, right... I'm all for maiming rapists, but... what if she forgets she has it in? :confused:

Ummm, right... I'm all for maiming rapists, but... what if she forgets she has it in? :confused:

Hope that her partner is a lesbian....this is where Fass's dildo idea comes into play. =)

Hope that her partner is a lesbian....this is where Fass's dildo idea comes into play. =)

Okay, so only lesbians are going to use this safely, and straight men that aren't rapists are going to need to start carrying dildos around to ensure that their dick doesn't get into a pinch. Right, bad pun.

Okay, so only lesbians are going to use this safely, and straight men that aren't rapists are going to need to start carrying dildos around to ensure that their dick doesn't get into a pinch. Right, bad pun.

Straight men should carry dildos around anyway. They're awfully useful.

Straight men should carry dildos around anyway. They're awfully useful.

Of course...what if out of the blue you meet a woman in heat?!

What if you forgot your blender at home?

What if you you umm.....need to hit someone?

I can't think of any other uses.

Question: How does the woman remove it?Yeah. All the rapist has to do is get a dildo or something to disable the device.

either that or be very careful with her fingers...

my question, what are the barbs made of and if they are metal, I pray they don't rust.

Of course...what if out of the blue you meet a woman in heat?!
What if you forgot your blender at home?
What if you you umm.....need to hit someone?
I can't think of any other uses.

That's just poor imagination.

You could paint them fluorescent and use them as clubbing accoutrements to wave in the air like you just don't care.

If they vibrate, you have excellent stress releasers at your disposal. Just rub them a bit on your face to feel rejuvenated and regain that healthy glow.

Use them as a dialling wand if your fingers are too fat to dial the telephone.

If you suddenly feel like baking, they make excellent rolling pins.

Tonnes of uses, really.

i feel sorry for the guy who's dating a very forgetful woman that wears one of these. additionally, if you think about it, this could also be used to exact personal vengeance upon a person, all you do is act interested ( :fluffle: )
and BAM. you're ready to go fishing.

PS on the personal vengeance part, it would probably prevent any evidence of whether it was consensual or rape, so it would also have a greater impact on the rare occasion this strategy may be used.

Pretty likely that the rapist would just get pissed off and beat the woman senseless.

Something that prevented rape, like teaching women how to defend against an attacker, would be far more effective. Prevention is better than the 'cure'

How about a pistol?

yeah, a pistol is a good idea. and once every month every woman would go on a shooting spree.

yeah, a pistol is a good idea. and once every month every woman would go on a shooting spree.

No, they'd just bitch about how they're ten seconds from going on a shooting spree.

Let's just wait ten seconds and see what happens then (hands gun to near insane lady)................................TATATATATATATATATATA!!!!!!
RUN AWAY!!!

hey, how long does it take to get those custom names?

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yepz0r. Wired.

...you know, women are not going to use this as a strictly anti-rape device. It's going to be like,...

"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

"...happy april fool's, hun..."

"ZOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG"

y'know what's worse, typically if something hurts, you try to pull away from it...

Um, too bad that type of thing has been around for centuries. Genghis Khan was allegedly killed by one.
Genghis Khan also allegedly died of a nosebleed.

Anyways, with the U.S. judicial system in its current state, I expect the following scenario to happen:
Guy tries to rape girl.
Guy's dick gets "barbed".
Guy sues girl.
Guy wins.

Good point, I heard a burglar fell through the roof of the house he was robbing, fell on something sharp, sued, and won.

KLEINMOND, South Africa (Reuters) - A South African inventor unveiled a new anti-rape female condom on Wednesday that hooks onto an attacker's penis and aims to cut one of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world.


"Nothing has ever been done to help a woman so that she does not get raped and I thought it was high time," Sonette Ehlers, 57, said of the "rapex", a device worn like a tampon that has sparked controversy in a country used to daily reports of violent crime.

Police statistics show more than 50,000 rapes are reported every year, while experts say the real figure could be four times that as they say most rapes of acquaintances or children are never reported.

Ehlers said the "rapex" hooks onto the rapist's skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.

"He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage," she told reporters in Kleinmond, a small holiday village about 100km (60 miles) east of Cape Town. "I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital."

The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said.

It also reduces the chances of a woman falling pregnant or contracting AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases from the attacker by acting in the same way as a female condom.

South Africa has more people with HIV/AIDS than any other country, with one in nine of its 45 million population infected.

Ehlers, who showed off a prototype on Wednesday, said women had tried it for comfort and it had been tested on a plastic male model but not yet on a live man. Production was planned to start next year.

But the "rapex" has raised fears amongst anti-rape activists that it could escalate violence against women.

"If a victim is wearing such a device it may enrage the attacker further and possibly result in more harm being caused," said Sam Waterhouse, advocacy co-ordinator for Rape Crisis.

Other critics say the condom is mediaeval and barbaric -- an accusation Ehlers says should be directed rather at the act of rape.

"This is not about vengeance ... but the deed, that is what I hate," she said


Hey, shit, I think this is great! I'd like to see a condom that literally CUTS OFF any man's penis if he tries to rape a woman! At least the son-of-a-bitch would never again rape another woman! But this sounds like the next-best thing! Make him hurt...and hurt bad! He won't be able to get away with it, and he'll have a very painful experience, which is good, because rape is a very painful experience for a woman. In some cases, "an eye for an eye" is justified.

The Ronco Snapper Snapper.

$19.99

Bullshit. This sounds more like The Black & Decker Pecker Wrecker!! And still just $19.95!!

Question: How does the woman remove it?

Probably with a string.

UM, Lyric, we really shouldn't be drastic though. I always hate it when people automatically think that whatever a person is charged with, they automatically think they did it. 1/10 of the time, we are quite smply wrong. might not seem much, but take it from the one-tenth perspective.

UM, Lyric, we really shouldn't be drastic though. I always hate it when people automatically think that whatever a person is charged with, they automatically think they did it. 1/10 of the time, we are quite smply wrong. might not seem much, but take it from the one-tenth perspective.

Well, if this was one of the 1/10th occasion, then the innocent guy wouldn't get a barbed dick, now would he? sure would make it easier to determine the guilt or innocence.

Prosecutor to Defendant: Sir, drop your drawers and wag your wing-wang at the jury please, thank you!

**Defendant drops drawers, and is unable to wag wing-wang at jury, because said wing-wang is in a sling following painful surgery.**

Jury: We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of forcible rape.

**Judge slams gavel down**

Judge: Next case!

Sure'd speed up the judicial process!

I posted that situation earlier, the condom is more like a tampon, and it would shield any damage that would occur from a rape. now all you have is the lady's word and ruined male-flesh, which could be twisted to convict the innocent

Hey, shit, I think this is great! I'd like to see a condom that literally CUTS OFF any man's penis if he tries to rape a woman! At least the son-of-a-bitch would never again rape another woman! But this sounds like the next-best thing! Make him hurt...and hurt bad! He won't be able to get away with it, and he'll have a very painful experience, which is good, because rape is a very painful experience for a woman. In some cases, "an eye for an eye" is justified.not cuts off... too harsh...
how about injects a dye... bright floresent Orange. with just a touch of Lemon juice.

then again, what if the girl forgets to take it out and she and her love get into an intimate embrace...

what would she say to him? Sorry?

i did think of having indellible ink as an example but just didn't put it down.
Hehe.. The Scarlet man part

even more hurtful, auto salt dispensers!!!

Someone has got to come up with a variant of this device that uses a candiru fish instead of barbs. Now that would definitely deter rapists! :D

pardon my ignorince but what is a candiru fish?

not cuts off... too harsh...
how about injects a dye... bright floresent Orange. with just a touch of Lemon juice.

then again, what if the girl forgets to take it out and she and her love get into an intimate embrace...

what would she say to him? Sorry?

Well, being as I am a transsexual (and most on this forum know it already anyway, no state secrets being revealed here) and I had mine removed in a surgical procedure under general anesthesia...

Why do you say too harsh? I think men place an inordinate value on that particular member. My IQ didn't drop when I lost mine. So what's the big deal?

Shit, in my case it didn't even hurt, and no bullshit, either. Unless they were pumping anti-pain drugs into my IV, and I do not think they were...I came out of surgery with no pain, and never had any, either. The only time during my recovery I requested pain medication was for my aching back from the hardness of the hospital bed (Thailand has a long way to go in terms of creature comforts in hospitals, but their sterile and surgical procedures, though a bit primitive by modern American standards, were more than adequate.) Anyone who has ever been in an American hospital in the mid-1970's has a good idea what it is like inside a Thai hospital today...or at least three years ago, anyway.

And before anyone asks...no, I have never had "phantom member syndrome" either. Never wanted it in the first place. Never missed it after it was gone.

Someone has got to come up with a variant of this device that uses a candiru fish instead of barbs. Now that would definitely deter rapists! :D

That it would... :eek:

Question: How does the woman remove it?
I guess with a dildoe?

Why do you say too harsh? I think men place an inordinate value on that particular member. My IQ didn't drop when I lost mine. So what's the big deal?

I think I speak for the vast majority of men when I say that we are very attached to our penises and we'd rather they weren't cut off by forgetful girlfriends.

I think this device would cause problems both ways:

1. A man who got caught by one of the devices would be assumed to be guilty automatically so it could be used for revenge on innocent men.

2. A rapist caught by one of the devices would likely attack or kill his victim.

3. It would cause a lot of pain to a man who was caught because of a forgetful girlfriend.

4. It would put more pressure on distressed rape victims if they hadn't used a device or if it hadn't worked as the defence would say 'If she was raped why doesn't my client have a damaged penis?'.

not cuts off... too harsh...
how about injects a dye... bright floresent Orange. with just a touch of Lemon juice.

then again, what if the girl forgets to take it out and she and her love get into an intimate embrace...

what would she say to him? Sorry? Preventing a rapist from ever raping again is too harsh? Giving him pain for her pain and abject humiliation is too harsh?

There ought to be a way it is recognisable though, so that it doesn't impale her love, as you said. It should also inject a mixture of wasp-sting-style venom and sleepy drugs, so the rapist can't beat her senseless because he's in pain and falling asleep.

I think I speak for the vast majority of men when I say that we are very attached to our penises and we'd rather they weren't cut off by forgetful girlfriends.

I think this device would cause problems both ways:

1. A man who got caught by one of the devices would be assumed to be guilty automatically so it could be used for revenge on innocent men.

2. A rapist caught by one of the devices would likely attack or kill his victim.

3. It would cause a lot of pain to a man who was caught because of a forgetful girlfriend.

4. It would put more pressure on distressed rape victims if they hadn't used a device or if it hadn't worked as the defence would say 'If she was raped why doesn't my client have a damaged penis?'.


To this I say the following:

1. What is "innocent?" You know, a guy's definition, and a girl's definition of CONSENSUAL are very different. Most of you men do not freaking understand that NO means NO!!!

2. The rapist has already attacked the woman. Rape is a crime of violence against women. It is not done for sexual gratification, it is done to victimize, humiliate and direct violence against women. A rapist gets off on directing violence at a woman, he's not doing it for sexual gratification in the way a normal man would have consensual sex with a woman.

3. Well, then, maybe you guys oughta check and remember to ASK before you "go for the goal" as they said in my day. Hey, 'bout time y'all actuially took SOME responsibility in the whole area of sex...even if the only responsibility you take is to protect your own penis! God knows, men don't wanna ever wear condoms...they whine, "oh it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel as good, waaa waaa waa waaa waaa" forcing women to have to do everything with regard to birth control. well, at least, if your own penis is at stake, maybe you will take more responsibilty...if for no other reason than to protect your own penis...and maybe you will learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS "No."

4. Easy enough to deal with. The rapist would be damaged...unless he'd done something to disengage the device first. So if he used a dildo, a broom handle, or whatever to trip and remove the device...my counter to that is..."if your client is innocent, then why was your client's semen and other DNA (pubic hair, anyone??) found in my client's body, and clothing?

again...if you are so attached to your penises, then I suggest you remember to ask...and I suggest that you actually learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS no.

They have one of these in a hentai I own. Finally somebody decided to actually make one.

This is kinda old, we've had this before. It was an unpopular position, but I supported it last time and I support it this time! Talk about instant karma :D

This is kinda old, we've had this before. It was an unpopular position, but I supported it last time and I support it this time! Talk about instant karma :D So you'd be one of the vicious girls who despises rape. Goodgood!

To this I say the following:

1. What is "innocent?" You know, a guy's definition, and a girl's definition of CONSENSUAL are very different. Most of you men do not freaking understand that NO means NO!!!

2. The rapist has already attacked the woman. Rape is a crime of violence against women. It is not done for sexual gratification, it is done to victimize, humiliate and direct violence against women. A rapist gets off on directing violence at a woman, he's not doing it for sexual gratification in the way a normal man would have consensual sex with a woman.

3. Well, then, maybe you guys oughta check and remember to ASK before you "go for the goal" as they said in my day. Hey, 'bout time y'all actuially took SOME responsibility in the whole area of sex...even if the only responsibility you take is to protect your own penis! God knows, men don't wanna ever wear condoms...they whine, "oh it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel as good, waaa waaa waa waaa waaa" forcing women to have to do everything with regard to birth control. well, at least, if your own penis is at stake, maybe you will take more responsibilty...if for no other reason than to protect your own penis...and maybe you will learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS "No."

4. Easy enough to deal with. The rapist would be damaged...unless he'd done something to disengage the device first. So if he used a dildo, a broom handle, or whatever to trip and remove the device...my counter to that is..."if your client is innocent, then why was your client's semen and other DNA (pubic hair, anyone??) found in my client's body, and clothing?

again...if you are so attached to your penises, then I suggest you remember to ask...and I suggest that you actually learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS no.

Lyric, will you please take a deep breath and calm down before your next post. I assume you've had some very bad experiences with men and for that I'm sorry but that's no excuse to denigrate half of the human race.

1. By 'innocent' I meant that the man was being targeted deliberately, as revenge for example. There have been cases of women claiming to have been raped to get revenge on a guy, and, while I accept these women would be in a minority, it would be a near foolproof way to get him sent to prison.

2. True, but I still believe it would make the rapist more likely to kill. I refuse to believe that these devices would be impossible to remove outside of a hospital, the rapist's best chance of escaping justice would be to kill the victim so she couldn't identify him.

3. You're talking about date-rape here, not consensual sex. Of course a guy should make sure he has her consent but he shouldn't need to say 'Excuse me, are you harbouring a concealed anti-rape device in your genital regions, and if so could you remove it please.' If a woman wears one of these things it is her responsibility to take it out before having sex and I think that there would be some women who would forget and harm innocent (as in guys who have been given her consent) men.

4. To do a DNA test you need to find a suspect and this can be very difficult. That's why there are so many unsolved rape cases: it is often a he says she says case and the court has to view the defendant as innocent until proven guilty. Also, DNA evidence is often lost unless the victim takes steps to collect and store it immediately after the rape, many are too traumatised to do so.

In response to your final point I say again:

1. A man does have the respnsibility to obtain consent before sex.
2. If a woman is wearing what is effectively a 'booby-trap' (I apoligise for the unfortunate choice of language) then it is her responsibility to remove it before consensual sex.
A good analogy would be a house with a spike-filled pit by the front door, it is the responsibility of anyone who wants to come in to ask your permission to enter but it would be your responsibility to warn them about the pit.

either that or be very careful with her fingers...

my question, what are the barbs made of and if they are metal, I pray they don't rust.



Actually, it would be quite easy. You see, the average male genitalia is thicker than the human finger, and therefore the device would not be designed in a way that it would also trap the finger...to much of a degree anyway.

This is kinda old, we've had this before. It was an unpopular position, but I supported it last time and I support it this time! Talk about instant karma :D

I support the principle but I'm worried about the potential dangers to innocent men.

Well, being as I am a transsexual (and most on this forum know it already anyway, no state secrets being revealed here) and I had mine removed in a surgical procedure under general anesthesia...

Why do you say too harsh? I think men place an inordinate value on that particular member. My IQ didn't drop when I lost mine. So what's the big deal?

Shit, in my case it didn't even hurt, and no bullshit, either. Unless they were pumping anti-pain drugs into my IV, and I do not think they were...I came out of surgery with no pain, and never had any, either. The only time during my recovery I requested pain medication was for my aching back from the hardness of the hospital bed (Thailand has a long way to go in terms of creature comforts in hospitals, but their sterile and surgical procedures, though a bit primitive by modern American standards, were more than adequate.) Anyone who has ever been in an American hospital in the mid-1970's has a good idea what it is like inside a Thai hospital today...or at least three years ago, anyway.

And before anyone asks...no, I have never had "phantom member syndrome" either. Never wanted it in the first place. Never missed it after it was gone.



She is a he? :eek:

I support the principle but I'm worried about the potential dangers to innocent men.


Yeah....I imagine it wouldn't be very pleasant....still, I think the benefits outweigh the risks in this case. Anyone who would intentionally leave it in there as revenge on ol' hubby would have most likely found another way to do something similar anyway. If someone is intent upon hurting you...and you are trusting enough of that person to have sexual intercourse with them, they will find a way. The real issue would be proving her intent in harming you.

Yeah....I imagine it wouldn't be very pleasant....still, I think the benefits outweigh the risks in this case. Anyone who would intentionally leave it in there as revenge on ol' hubby would have most likely found another way to do something similar anyway. If someone is intent upon hurting you...and you are trusting enough of that person to have sexual intercourse with them, they will find a way. The real issue would be proving her intent in harming you. Trust me… they would not use another method of revenge… that is the best way to get revenge against a man. Mention it to a group of men and watch their expressions.

Hmm… the side effects do seem bad… not sure what to think about this. Good in theory, certainly, but…

I read somewhere that Hookers in a major Asian port of call do something similar to defeat rapists, although in a more jury rigged way: Razor blades in a toilet paper tube.

What if they just took the device out then raped them?
Yeah, I was thinking, this is a good idea. But then I thought, it might stop a few rapists in their tracks, but soon enough all rapists will be getting dildos to test for safety.

Seriously, do you actually think that the girl won't remember that she's wearing the thing? When I have a condom in, I notice it. It's not painful, but it's there. For you guys out there, think about keeping an unsharpened pencil in your nose. Maybe you could make it small enough so as not to be seen, but you still know that it's there. When something is in your vagina, you don't forget! So don't worry, if it's actually consensual, she'll take it out.

Yeah, I was thinking, this is a good idea. But then I thought, it might stop a few rapists in their tracks, but soon enough all rapists will be getting dildos to test for safety. I'd say most rapists are stupid and don't think. Most criminals don't think they'll be caught.

Why do you say too harsh? I think men place an inordinate value on that particular member. My IQ didn't drop when I lost mine. So what's the big deal?

And before anyone asks...no, I have never had "phantom member syndrome" either. Never wanted it in the first place. Never missed it after it was gone.
Well, most men do want to keep their penis. It's essential for urination, reproducation and sexual pleasure. IQ notwithstanding, those are good reasons.

To this I say the following:

1. What is "innocent?" You know, a guy's definition, and a girl's definition of CONSENSUAL are very different. Most of you men do not freaking understand that NO means NO!!!

again...if you are so attached to your penises, then I suggest you remember to ask...and I suggest that you actually learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS no.
1. Consensuality is a simple concept. Please explain the different theories on what it means.

You obviously have something against all men that makes you doubt our right to security from bodily harm.

Seriously, do you actually think that the girl won't remember that she's wearing the thing? When I have a condom in, I notice it. It's not painful, but it's there. For you guys out there, think about keeping an unsharpened pencil in your nose. Maybe you could make it small enough so as not to be seen, but you still know that it's there. When something is in your vagina, you don't forget! So don't worry, if it's actually consensual, she'll take it out.

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Need I say more ;)

Well, being as I am a transsexual
I never knew that. Cool. :)

She is a he? :eek:

No, she is a she and always was. She was born into the wrong body.

And I'll say this to the self-righteous who would condemn me for what I did...It takes a hell of a lot more guts for me to be open about who and what I am on a public frum...than it takes to sit on the sideline and point fingers or laugh at me for it.

Live with the hell that is Gender Identity Disorder, Neo....and then make comments. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes, you can keep your snide comments to yourself. If ya ain't got something nice or intelligent to add to the conversation, perhaps you'd be better served keeping it to yourself.

Trust me… they would not use another method of revenge… that is the best way to get revenge against a man. Mention it to a group of men and watch their expressions.

Hmm… the side effects do seem bad… not sure what to think about this. Good in theory, certainly, but…

Wouldn't they?
Does the name Lorena Bobbitt mean nothing to you?

Try this...mention Lorena Bobbitt to any man, and watch his expression.

Seriously, do you actually think that the girl won't remember that she's wearing the thing? When I have a condom in, I notice it. It's not painful, but it's there. For you guys out there, think about keeping an unsharpened pencil in your nose. Maybe you could make it small enough so as not to be seen, but you still know that it's there. When something is in your vagina, you don't forget! So don't worry, if it's actually consensual, she'll take it out.
Thank you for making the point I was about to make. You don't "forget" something is up there!

But could you have used a different analogy than "an unsharpened pencil up your nose?" Now I got Pepsi dripping out of MY nose!! Thanks a lot!

No, she is a she and always was. She was born into the wrong body.

And I'll say this to the self-righteous who would condemn me for what I did...It takes a hell of a lot more guts for me to be open about who and what I am on a public frum...than it takes to sit on the sideline and point fingers or laugh at me for it.

Live with the hell that is Gender Identity Disorder, Neo....and then make comments. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes, you can keep your snide comments to yourself. If ya ain't got something nice or intelligent to add to the conversation, perhaps you'd be better served keeping it to yourself.



Actually, on this forum it takes no guts at all....in fact, it would probably be beneficial to claim transsexuality, with all the radical leftists.

Actually, on this forum it takes no guts at all....in fact, it would probably be beneficial to claim transsexuality, with all the radical leftists.

Some might find what you're doing to be flamebaiting. Perhaps you should leave it alone.

Well, most men do want to keep their penis. It's essential for urination, reproducation and sexual pleasure. IQ notwithstanding, those are good reasons.


1. Consensuality is a simple concept. Please explain the different theories on what it means.

You obviously have something against all men that makes you doubt our right to security from bodily harm.

Not at all. i just know, from personal experience how insisten men ARE...and how deaf they become when the girl says NO!!!

Men have every right to security from bodily harm, as long as they are not in the process of inflicting bodily harm onto someone else. I've never said or implied otherwise...and if anyone has interpreted me as saying that, then I apologize.

Yes, I have had bad experiences with men. I was molested by my own brother for five years. I was verbally, mentally, emotionally, and physically abused by my alcoholic, drunken son-of-a-bitch sorry assed excuse for a father for 23 years. Thank God he's now dead, where he can never again hurt me.
Truth is...I have never in my life had any relationship, with any man...on any level (familial, romantic, business-professional) that did not, in the end, result in me getting hurt...and HIM getting away with it. so, yeah, i'm bitter towards men, and predisposed to expect the worst out of men, because that is all I have ever experienced out of men.
That said, I have never suggested, or implied, that men have no right to be secure from bodily harm - provided, of course, that they are not, themselves, in the process of inflicting bodily harm onto someone else.

Does that clear up my position?

I never knew that. Cool. :)

Well now you do. Lots of long-timers here have known that about me for quite some time. And much as I suspected...certain self-righteous folk have chosen to castigate me for it by making snide remarks. No, not you, Nadkor, you're cool!

Actually, on this forum it takes no guts at all....in fact, it would probably be beneficial to claim transsexuality, with all the radical leftists.
Claim it? No, I am the real McCoy. And maybe there is a benefits with "all the radical leftists" on this forum...but rest assured it is the ONLY place in my life were such an admission is even close to beneficial. No, more often than not, such an admission leads to someone like you, cutting down on me for being true to my inner self, which, as I have said, takes no guts whatsoever.

You sure do seem to point that little finger of yours at everyone else's "sins," Neo...tell, me, have you the guts to point that finger at yourself? You sure ain't Simon-pure. There was only one all-perfect being ever to walk the earth, and that was 2000 years ago, so it sure ain't you!

Have you forgotten the admonishment of your own precious Bible that tells you to worry about the plank in your own eye, before worrying about the speck in your brother's eye?

Or do you only know the parts of the Bible convenient to your agenda?

Hey, South Africa is the country that put flamethrowers on the sides of their cars to prevent carjacking, this really isn't that big a step up. I'm working on a new motto for ZA "South Africa: Mess with our shit, we'll fuck you up!"



im pretty sure the states came up with the flamethrower cars.... or maybe they just stole that idea like they steal so many things

To this I say the following:

1. What is "innocent?" You know, a guy's definition, and a girl's definition of CONSENSUAL are very different. Most of you men do not freaking understand that NO means NO!!!

2. The rapist has already attacked the woman. Rape is a crime of violence against women. It is not done for sexual gratification, it is done to victimize, humiliate and direct violence against women. A rapist gets off on directing violence at a woman, he's not doing it for sexual gratification in the way a normal man would have consensual sex with a woman.

3. Well, then, maybe you guys oughta check and remember to ASK before you "go for the goal" as they said in my day. Hey, 'bout time y'all actuially took SOME responsibility in the whole area of sex...even if the only responsibility you take is to protect your own penis! God knows, men don't wanna ever wear condoms...they whine, "oh it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel as good, waaa waaa waa waaa waaa" forcing women to have to do everything with regard to birth control. well, at least, if your own penis is at stake, maybe you will take more responsibilty...if for no other reason than to protect your own penis...and maybe you will learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS "No."

4. Easy enough to deal with. The rapist would be damaged...unless he'd done something to disengage the device first. So if he used a dildo, a broom handle, or whatever to trip and remove the device...my counter to that is..."if your client is innocent, then why was your client's semen and other DNA (pubic hair, anyone??) found in my client's body, and clothing?

again...if you are so attached to your penises, then I suggest you remember to ask...and I suggest that you actually learn the meaning of NO when a girl SAYS no.

I find that all of lyrics comments are invalid beacause he's retarded. What guy thinks, "hey, I wish I didn't have a penis." :headbang: A freak. I have gay friends, and straight friends but people shouldn't be what they're not. :) My opinion on the device, and I know what it was like because my cousin got raped, and I had to give counseling, that, having a penis ripped off of even a guilty man is barbaric. Women should learn self defence, not stick weapons in their vagina. Rape is a terribly crime and I have a new 2nd cousin because of it, but such a practice takes courts out of the picture and without courts, how many innocent penises would be sacrificed? :mad:

I find that all of lyrics comments are invalid beacause he's retarded. What guy thinks, "hey, I wish I didn't have a penis." :headbang: A freak. I have gay friends, and straight friends but people shouldn't be what they're not. :) My opinion on the device, and I know what it was like because my cousin got raped, and I had to give counseling, that, having a penis ripped off of even a guilty man is barbaric. Women should learn self defence, not stick weapons in their vagina. Rape is a terribly crime and I have a new 2nd cousin because of it, but such a practice takes courts out of the picture and without courts, how many innocent penises would be sacrificed? :mad:

Who wants to take bets to see how long it is before this puppet gets the at least a warn?

Who wants to take bets to see how long it is before this puppet gets the at least a warn?

Puppet? And Why would I get a warning? I stayed on topic, and stated my opinion on matters at hand. :rolleyes:

Puppet? And Why would I get a warning? I stayed on topic, and stated my opinion on matters at hand. :rolleyes:

I'd say calling someone a retard constitutes as a flame so anyone up for posting any odds on it? :p

i think that this device sounds like good idea. Of course, i don't live in an area where rapes are common, and do know the meaning of no, so its not like I'd really have to worry about it.

Sexism. What happens when a male rapes a male, or a female rapes a female, or a female rapes a male? You can't use the Rapex in reverse, or on men.

Sexism. What happens when a male rapes a male, or a female rapes a female, or a female rapes a male? You can't use the Rapex in reverse, or on men.

Stick a 3 foot metal spike on the end of your penis, obvious really. :p

Yeah. All the rapist has to do is get a dildo or something to disable the device.


Not every horny man walks around with a dildo. I know I don't. Most rapes are not planed...