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I can't believe someone would say this about one of the worst disaters to hit America & New Orleans:



This guy deserves to beaten-up by a mob of New Orleanians. Does this guy have no heart at all? My message to Fred: You sir are no Christian. If anyone deserves to burn in hell it's you :mp5:

He never has gotten over what his father evidently did to him...

Yeah, that's pretty disgusting.

He never has gotten over what his father evidently did to him...
Yeah I heard about that but I heard he was far worse to his own family. The guy is a pyscho!

I think we should hire a transvestite to sodomize him

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I think we should hire a transvestite to sodomize him
Are you saying a transvestite would be more inclined to sodomize him thanany other person?

I can't believe someone would say this about one of the worst disaters to hit America & New Orleans:

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This guy deserves to beaten-up by a mob of New Orleanians. Does this guy have no heart at all? My message to Fred: You sir are no Christian. If anyone deserves to burn in hell it's you :mp5:
I don't even bother getting exercised over idiots like this. Compared to Phelps and his ilk, even the most demented NS Poster is a paragon of logic and reason. :)

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Really? GREAT!!! :D

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Now if only we could somehow get this to apply to everywhere else. :p

Wow, his FAQ is really disturbing...

Are you a repressed homosexual?

No. Are you a repressed hatemonger? :)

He actually enjoys picking through the Bible for the most cruel and bloody things he can find and then imposing that bullshit on everyone else.

Really? GREAT!!! :D

There was a moderation ruling on it not long ago (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437269).

There was a moderation ruling on it not long ago (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437269).
Kewl. I, for one, am glad! :)

Leave him alone. He has as much of a right to free speech as you or I do. I admantly disagree with him, but you treat Rev. Phelps as if he is Satan incarnate.

Leave him alone. He has as much of a right to free speech as you or I do. I admantly disagree with him, but you treat Rev. Phelps as if he is Satan incarnate.
You mean he's NOT? :eek:

You mean he's NOT? :eek:
No. He is just another human being. A misguided one, but one, nevertheless.

We need to sticky a thread titled: Yes, we know Fred Phelps is a complete and utter asshole. Stop making new threads about him and post here.

Fred Phelps is just a senile old geezer, that's all. He seriously thinks George W. Bush worships Mr. Peanut, the mascot of Planter's Nuts (Think what you may of the President, if that isn't bizarre, I don't know what is). The only people who support him are (most of) his extended family and some Aryan Nations morons. I can't think of a single televangelist or anyone else on the face of the Earth who supports him; Hell, even Ake Green, the preacher who Fred Phelps said Sweden was going to hell for for imprisoning over what he said about homosexuality, said he didn't like Phelps. He's going to die soon anyway, so try not to get too irritated by him because that's exactly what he wants- attention.

Leave him alone. He has as much of a right to free speech as you or I do. I admantly disagree with him, but you treat Rev. Phelps as if he is Satan incarnate.
thats because he IS---he tortured and enslaved his OWN kids growing up

No. He is just another human being. A misguided one, but one, nevertheless.
thats false--and hes on the same moral level as Bush--just more honest in that he shows his true face

Are you a repressed homosexual?

No. Are you a repressed hatemonger?
Passive aggressive much?

Are you saying a transvestite would be more inclined to sodomize him thanany other person?

Probably not but hes an old man and his eyes are going so he'd probly think it was a woman until it was too late.

No. He is just another human being. A misguided one, but one, nevertheless.
I'm not too sure on that, given some of the stuff he's done, BUT, I do have to agree with you that his free speech rights needs to be protected.

Doesn't mean that we don't have licence to attack those speeches and tear them apart. Personally though, I think if we just ignored him, he'd eventually go away.

thats false--and hes on the same moral level as Bush--just more honest in that he shows his true face
I believe he is. I mean, he's not a squirrel, or a pheseant. Besides, what does Bush have to do with this?

I'm not too sure on that, given some of the stuff he's done, BUT, I do have to agree with you that his free speech rights needs to be protected.

Doesn't mean that we don't have licence to attack those speeches and tear them apart. Personally though, I think if we just ignored him, he'd eventually go away.
I agree. And I'm speaking out against this because I see no reason to fear this guy. At most, he's just another Jim Jones or David Koresh type of guy, though probably not as murderous.

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Really? I was wondering when they were going to get around to that...

Leave him alone. He has as much of a right to free speech as you or I do. I admantly disagree with him, but you treat Rev. Phelps as if he is Satan incarnate.

No, he doesn't. As soon as he tried to inspire hatred and violence towards one group, he has lost his freedom of speech.

No, he doesn't. As soon as he tried to inspire hatred and violence towards one group, he has lost his freedom of speech.
My God! Listen to yourself! That's what they say in dictatorships to justify censorship.

I believe he is. I mean, he's not a squirrel, or a pheseant. Besides, what does Bush have to do with this?
cause people like him and Bush are made subhuman by their antihuman values

cause people like him and Bush are made subhuman by their antihuman values
I believe it impossible to hold an antihuman value, but rather, one always holds a value towards the preservation of humanity, which society may or may not see as such. Of course, some values are probably antihuman, but in the holder's own mind, they are saving people. Thus, no one is subhuman, and therefore, no one is above the law. To argue such is exactly what Adolf Hitler argued when Jews and others were "subhuman".

I believe it impossible to hold an antihuman value, but rather, one always holds a value towards the preservation of humanity, which society may or may not see as such. Of course, some values are probably antihuman, but in the holder's own mind, they are saving people. Thus, no one is subhuman, and therefore, no one is above the law. To argue such is exactly what Adolf Hitler argued when Jews and others were "subhuman".
its presumptous for you to automatically assume that all people have good intentions. Its true most do but evil does exist in certain types and Im usually pretty good at seeing all the signs of it

its presumptous for you to automatically assume that all people have good intentions. Its true most do but evil does exist in certain types and Im usually pretty good at seeing all the signs of it
Easy for you to say. Of course, in everyone's own mind, the person is not doing evil. That, I'm afraid, is the most objective scale any human can use. In any case, I don't think that Osama bin Laden, Josef Stalin, Adolph Hitler, or Emperor Qin Shi Huangdai thought they were doing evil, but were either serving society in their own way, or serving themselves, which is generally regarded by some humans as a good unto itself.
Now, you didn't really address if those that you, and most of society, see as evil are under the law, owing to their subhuman nature that you specified.

Leave him alone. He has as much of a right to free speech as you or I do. I admantly disagree with him, but you treat Rev. Phelps as if he is Satan incarnate.

Yes a person has a right to free speech but what he is saying is vile and despicable. He also said the same about the tsnuami affected nations and called them a bunch of sodomites which is stupid since the heaveast effected region was Java which is an extreme fundamentalist islamic. Not saying places like Thailand or Sri Lanka deserved it either. If this was Germany he would have been banned years ago laong with the Nazis. Heck Fred is a nazi he has the hatred of Hitler or Gobbels.

If he hates America so much why dosen't he move himself and his inbred clan to Iran??????? Maybe we should start a petition to have him deported to another nation under the same laws they have in the UK.

If he hates America so much why dosen't he move himself and his inbred clan to Iran??????? Maybe we should start a petition to have him deported to another nation under the same laws they have in the UK.
But why? Why shouldn't he be allowed to be a hateful bigot?

But why? Why shouldn't he be allowed to be a hateful bigot?
The same reason why you're not allowed to call him a hateful bigot. There is none :D.

But why? Why shouldn't he be allowed to be a hateful bigot?

Because that kind of bigotry is like a cancer once a small area grows it infects others. The same reason why nazis and the paraphilnalia are illegal in Germany.

July he was shouting obscenties during the parade at people. Thankfully the managed to get his out of the area before he caused a riot. I was talking to a straight guy for was protesting against this guy and how he made him sick that people were so evil.

The same reason why you're not allowed to call him a hateful bigot. There is none :D.
Well.. When the guy starts scaring people, invading funerals, force bosses into firing their workers and such, then I no longer understand how he can be protected by freedom of speech.

Honestly though, I can't understand why people don't demonstrate outside his little bunker? I imagine it would be quite stressful for him, if 500+ people were camping on the sidewalk 24/7/356 with burning Phelps dolls, signs about how false prophets will forever burn in the lake of fire and whatever else creative people can think of.

Perhaps the sick old freak would die from high bloodpressure? Wouldn't it be worth it?

handguns anyone?

Well.. When the guy starts scaring people, invading funerals, force bosses into firing their workers and such, then I no longer understand how he can be protected by freedom of speech.

Honestly though, I can't understand why people don't demonstrate outside his little bunker? I imagine it would be quite stressful for him, if 500+ people were camping on the sidewalk 24/7/356 with burning Phelps dolls, signs about how false prophets will forever burn in the lake of fire and whatever else creative people can think of.

Perhaps the sick old freak would die from high bloodpressure? Wouldn't it be worth it?

All we need is 500 angel costumes and some anti-phelps signs and 500 people and we would be off the protest against him. Maybe we could drive him off the edge enough to commit sucide. (He attemted sucide in 1969)

All we need is 500 angel costumes and some anti-phelps signs and 500 people and we would be off the protest against him. Maybe we could drive him off the edge enough to commit sucide. (He attemted sucide in 1969)
Hehe, great idea :p

But doesn't this disprove Christianity? If God was real, I can't believe he/she/it wouldn't have snagged the bastard when he/she/it had the chance :(

Well.. When the guy starts scaring people, invading funerals, force bosses into firing their workers and such, then I no longer understand how he can be protected by freedom of speech.

Honestly though, I can't understand why people don't demonstrate outside his little bunker? I imagine it would be quite stressful for him, if 500+ people were camping on the sidewalk 24/7/356 with burning Phelps dolls, signs about how false prophets will forever burn in the lake of fire and whatever else creative people can think of.

Perhaps the sick old freak would die from high bloodpressure? Wouldn't it be worth it?
Protesting is fine. That's how this country works. As is counter protesting.


Oppressing speech, no matter how offensive it may be, is no better then being a Nazi yourself.

Well.. When the guy starts scaring people, invading funerals, force bosses into firing their workers and such, then I no longer understand how he can be protected by freedom of speech.

Honestly though, I can't understand why people don't demonstrate outside his little bunker? I imagine it would be quite stressful for him, if 500+ people were camping on the sidewalk 24/7/356 with burning Phelps dolls, signs about how false prophets will forever burn in the lake of fire and whatever else creative people can think of.

Perhaps the sick old freak would die from high bloodpressure? Wouldn't it be worth it?
Pies my man. One of the most spectacular political weapons of our time. We pie the bitch! :D

My God! Listen to yourself! That's what they say in dictatorships to justify censorship.

Is it though. The USA, one of the nations that prides itself on freespeech even acknowledges a reasonable level for speech. Phelps isn't just a hateful little bastard, his speech is irresponsable and he encourages violence towards a group different than himself. In the eyes of any sane person, he shouldn't be allowed to speak. Once one tries to insight violence against another group, they are trying to curb the freedoms and threaten the lives of others, they should no longer be allowed to speak.

What Phelps is doing is the eqauivilient of yelling "fire" in a crowded building. Or calling in a terrorist attack as a prank. It should not have to be tolerated.

If he hates America so much why dosen't he move himself and his inbred clan to Iran??????? Maybe we should start a petition to have him deported to another nation under the same laws they have in the UK.
That is an extremely scary thing to think about. You are not even safe in your own country, anymore.

Is it though. The USA, one of the nations that prides itself on freespeech even acknowledges a reasonable level for speech. Phelps isn't just a hateful little bastard, his speech is irresponsable and he encourages violence towards a group different than himself. In the eyes of any sane person, he shouldn't be allowed to speak. Once one tries to insight violence against another group, they are trying to curb the freedoms and threaten the lives of others, they should no longer be allowed to speak.

What Phelps is doing is the eqauivilient of yelling "fire" in a crowded building. Or calling in a terrorist attack as a prank. It should not have to be tolerated.
It's not to the same degree. Phelps does not incite panic, nor will he ever. He's just expressing his views, however much I disagree with him. Because, you see, the only reason I can see for limiting free speech at all is if it causes immediate and sudden mass panic that may result in a stampede, and it was the intended effect of the speaker.

What took him so long?

Seriously, did any of you think such a "person" like Phelps wouldn't go "Thanks God for Katrina"? I mean, New Orleans was a liberal, cultured, nice town. Phelps hates these three traits. Phelps thanked God for several other disasters that had even happened to less liberal places or people than New Orleans. So, it was a matter of time, really. It was OBVIOUS he was going to do such a thing.

People calling for his free speech to be curtailed, you're wrong for 3 reasons:

1-It's morally wrong to try to shut people up unless they're ACTUALLY generating IMMEDIATE danger to someone by speaking;

2-Curtailing his rights would generate a precedent that could be applied to any of us - or any of you.

3-By doing that you'd make him a martyr, thereby empowering his little inbred sect.

It's much more productive to wait for him to die, then set up a site that tells how long has he been in Hell. :D

That is an extremely scary thing to think about. You are not even safe in your own country, anymore.

I was just thinking if he moved to Iran, to a country that is near to his views in life and saw how horrible it is to live in a draconian fundmentalist state where you could be executed for the smallest offense maybe he gain a little bit of sanity but he might like living there.

I was just thinking if he moved to Iran, to a country that is near to his views in life and saw how horrible it is to live in a draconian fundmentalist state where you could be executed for the smallest offense maybe he gain a little bit of sanity but he might like living there. Well he does seem to like the Iraqi insurgents (I've listened to 2 of his sermons).

1-It's morally wrong to try to shut people up unless they're ACTUALLY generating IMMEDIATE danger to someone by speaking;


That's my point he's another Timothy McVeiw or Eric Rudolph. Someone is going to take his teachings and use it as a reason to commit terroristic acts and with how weak our government is right now who knows what would happen.

Because that kind of bigotry is like a cancer once a small area grows it infects others. The same reason why nazis and the paraphilnalia are illegal in Germany.

July he was shouting obscenties during the parade at people. Thankfully the managed to get his out of the area before he caused a riot. I was talking to a straight guy for was protesting against this guy and how he made him sick that people were so evil. Oh, come on. His bigotry affects virtually no one, he has gone beyond where most humans even think of going.

Oh, come on. His bigotry affects virtually no one, he has gone beyond where most humans even think of going.

It affects me as a gay man. It affects me when you hear people shouting at you about how you are going go to hell for being gay. It affects me to see someone protest the deaths of Matthew Shepard and Diane Whipple and the solidiers who died in Iraq/Afganistan. It affects me when someone calls people from South Asia sodomites who deserved to die in the Tsunami. It affects me big time.

It affects me as a gay man. It affects me when you hear people shouting at you about how you are going go to hell for being gay. It affects me to see someone protest the deaths of Matthew Shepard and Diane Whipple and the solidiers who died in Iraq/Afganistan. It affects me when someone calls people from South Asia sodomites who deserved to die in the Tsunami. It affects me big time.

Well, without my #1 reason there are still #2 and, especially, #3. By curtailing this idiot's speech, he'd become a martyr for the people that want to attack gays (a group of which I'm not part), occultists (a group of which I AM part), and every other fringe group (I'm part of some, not part of some others). Let him spout and he'll make other fundies look bad. Try to make him shut up by force and everyone AGAINST him will look bad. I don't ask for whom the bell tolls, but it's important to keep smart here: By allowing him to speak, we're causing him much more damage than by forbidding him. Many people believe I'm going to Hell. I believe they're idiots. Phelps believes I'm going to Hell. I believe he's a nut and I believe he's going to die within my lifetime. At which point I'll smile to myself, sigh for the poor plants that will get fed from such a hate-energy-filled body and go about my business. You're gay, good for you. I don't think you're going to Hell, and I know I'm smarter than Fred Phelps, ergo my opinion counts more. He, however, will go to Hell (or reincarnate pretty badly). When he goes, I suggest you crack open a bottle of wine with your partner, and I hope you two enjoy each other as much as I - a straight male that favors gay marriage - enjoy my girlfriend. But, for now, by all means, let the idiot speak. He's harming himself. What he believes in is of no consequence towards reality. If anyone ever tells you or your partner that you're going to Hell, give them a pat on the back, look at them as if they were children, say "yeah, right, sure, whatever you say" as if you were confirming a child's belief in Santa, and go on your merry way, perhaps after kissing your partner in front of them. You have (or will have) a partner to enjoy life with. Phelps has had a life of abuse, binge-eating, alcoholism, drug abuse, meth, and now, senility and the hatred of most of the US. Relish in this fact, Allemonde, then kiss your partner and go to bed. I, myself, could care less about what Phelps has to say: Whenever he says occultists will burn, I'll just keep on enjoying life with my girlfriend, and studying the very basis of reality itself. He'll consume himself in hatred while I do that. See ya. ;)