Olantia
07-09-2005, 18:11
I can only say "the Soviet Union bankrupted itself spending on it's military, and ended up breaking the bank when Reagan began his buildup" so many ways. I don't speak Russian. And try though I might, I simply can't find a version of the 11th Five Year Plan in English, Spanish, Slovak, Polish or Czech. Never mind that it will no doubt be padded to hell, but at least it'd give SOME point of comparison.
Without this, I kept showing how the USSR was way overspent, but you'll have none of it. So at this point, it's pretty much a null arguement. Good day.
What argument? I second every word of what you've written here. :) That's IMO a good example of the Rashomon effect.
My point was that the breakdown of the Soviet Union was caused not only by economic, but also by societal problems. You won't find official mortality figures for the period after the mid-70s--the mortality rate began to go up, seemingly unexplicably--that was the ominous sign of spiritual and moral collapse of the Soviet society that on the whole lost faith in Marxism-Leninism. Rampant alcoholism and smoking, a wave of single mothers... And on and on, and on and on... When Gorby tried to curb the consumption of vodka, the 'builders of Communism' turned to moonshine and some weird surrogates--eau de Cologne and shampoo were fair game.
Hell, the USSR came through such economic hardships under Stalin that the shortages of the 1980s seem paltry by comparison.
It was a case of brain tumour, not of stomach cancer.
I have to get credit to Reagan that he understood it well that it is a fight of ideas and not of weapons first and foremost--the Soviet citizens actually liked the moniker of 'Evil Empire'.
Fuck... Sorry, it is hard to me to discuss the death of my country, no matter how bad it was.
Sorry if I was too annoying a couple of days ago. Have a good time.
Without this, I kept showing how the USSR was way overspent, but you'll have none of it. So at this point, it's pretty much a null arguement. Good day.
What argument? I second every word of what you've written here. :) That's IMO a good example of the Rashomon effect.
My point was that the breakdown of the Soviet Union was caused not only by economic, but also by societal problems. You won't find official mortality figures for the period after the mid-70s--the mortality rate began to go up, seemingly unexplicably--that was the ominous sign of spiritual and moral collapse of the Soviet society that on the whole lost faith in Marxism-Leninism. Rampant alcoholism and smoking, a wave of single mothers... And on and on, and on and on... When Gorby tried to curb the consumption of vodka, the 'builders of Communism' turned to moonshine and some weird surrogates--eau de Cologne and shampoo were fair game.
Hell, the USSR came through such economic hardships under Stalin that the shortages of the 1980s seem paltry by comparison.
It was a case of brain tumour, not of stomach cancer.
I have to get credit to Reagan that he understood it well that it is a fight of ideas and not of weapons first and foremost--the Soviet citizens actually liked the moniker of 'Evil Empire'.
Fuck... Sorry, it is hard to me to discuss the death of my country, no matter how bad it was.
Sorry if I was too annoying a couple of days ago. Have a good time.