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I doubt you're alone in your views. Take initiative, start a party, gain followers, broadcast your message. There won't be any differences if no one tries.

Join the politicians, become apathetic or start a revolution. I'd recommend number two. Number one would have to involve betraying your ideals at some point and number three is like number one but bloodier.

We need the Bullmoose party. John McCain should be the leader of it.

We need the Bullmoose party. John McCain should be the leader of it.
Bullmoose party?

Well retrospectively you sure as heck should not have voted for someone who took you to a war on the basis that X was true, when as it happens X was not true.

At least one key difference between Bush and Kerry was that Kerry had not stuffed up by taking the country to war based on either a lie or an error. Accountability is a good thing, having a less than ideal president for next term is preferable to having a less than ideal president that has fucked up majorly and yet, has not been held accountable.

The problem with both Clinton and Bush, is that they have eroded the standards of accountability, politicians on both sides have played along, but the US voting public have certainly done nothing whatsoever to suggest that they will hold Presidents accountable, so whatever do you expect? It's pretty clear you can take the country to war on the most dubious (and provably untrue) rational, and still get re-elected, what on earth did you think the result of re-electing someone who had made such a huge fuck up would be? More accountability!

I honestly cannot imagine any good reason to have voted Bush in...Kerry would have been worse doesnt cut it....an untrained orangatun would be hard pressed to be a worse President. There is some hope the orangatun at least wouldnt have used it's position to dish out nice cosy high level government jobs to every stupid buddy of theirs not fit to run a horse show....

Bullmoose party?

The third party of Teddy Roosevelt.

Somebody tell me what we can do to fix this. Somebody tell me I'm not going crazy.There's nothing crazy about realizing that two parties aren't enough for a country this big. And you realized just what is wrong with America: Partisan bullshit.

an untrained orangatun would be hard pressed to be a worse President

I sincerely believe that, however, thank the lord that you don't have to endure Tony "ever the oppurtunist" Blair.

Well retrospectively you sure as heck should not have voted for someone who took you to a war on the basis that X was true, when as it happens X was not true.

At least one key difference between Bush and Kerry was that Kerry had not stuffed up by taking the country to war based on either a lie or an error. Accountability is a good thing, having a less than ideal president for next term is preferable to having a less than ideal president that has fucked up majorly and yet, has not been held accountable.

The problem with both Clinton and Bush, is that they have eroded the standards of accountability, politicians on both sides have played along, but the US voting public have certainly done nothing whatsoever to suggest that they will hold Presidents accountable, so whatever do you expect? It's pretty clear you can take the country to war on the most dubious (and provably untrue) rational, and still get re-elected, what on earth did you think the result of re-electing someone who had made such a huge fuck up would be? More accountability!

I honestly cannot imagine any good reason to have voted Bush in...Kerry would have been worse doesnt cut it....an untrained orangatun would be hard pressed to be a worse President. There is some hope the orangatun at least wouldnt have used it's position to dish out nice cosy high level government jobs to every stupid buddy of theirs not fit to run a horse show....
Thanks for using my heartfelt post to spout your political rhetoric, dickhead.

It's funny because no matter how angry you get, unless you get off the forum and out into the world nothing will happen...

The problem is that America has one of the polarized politics in the world. The solution to the problem is to fix the electoral system. Example: Single Transfer Vote (STV - info: http://www.bc-stv.ca/)

Problem is that it might produce weaker minority governments but I think it should be no problem for USA.

The only good way is political sabotage.

Join the Republicans, and vote for the lesser of many douchebags, and in the primary....vote against your party's candidate!

You get to influence it the whole way through!

Sadly, the Dems are no better.

Bunch of slack-jawed wankers.

They need to take firm stances on issues, and produce a strong candidate next time.
One that will play as equally dirty, as the Reps.
Really, thats why Kerry lost to Bush.
He refused to sling as much mud as Bush did, and came off as weak-looking to easily influences voters.

It's funny because no matter how angry you get, unless you get off the forum and out into the world nothing will happen...
Now thats a scary thought! lol

My second boyfriend was an orangutan. I don't think he was boyfriend material but he did have that presidential appeal.

My second boyfriend was an orangutan. I don't think he was boyfriend material but he did have that presidential appeal.

Well you have taste then :D

Thanks for using my heartfelt post to spout your political rhetoric, dickhead.
Your heartfelt post was political rhetoric, and my political rhetoric was a heartfelt post. You ask how to fix it, but it looks to me like you really dont want to hear it, apparently you are more interested in calling people names than you are in addressing the real issues... :rolleyes:

Sorry boys and girls, but Zagat is right- Unfortunately though the world has slowly slipped into polarism and the art of intelligent debate, meaning to accept that there are and will always be opposite viewpoints, has been eroded. Please don't only look at Politicians, but look also to the attempted globalisation of ideas (religiouys or worldly), the globalisation of (free??) press and flow of information in the hands of a few, the globalisation of industry etc.
We all accept, but we never challenge! Power corrupts- we believe in the pover of our government- or Nation, thus we are corrupted as well. Change that and perhaps there is some hope. :headbang:

One way to fix. Single term limits for politicians. No more of this career politician BS where all they do is vote however the highest bidder wants since that is the best way to stay in office.

Ordinary folks go, they serve just like the military. Then they return home and have to live under the same rules they voted for.

As for Bush. So many hate him for the war with Iraq. I dont. so-damn-insaine needed taking out. But now we stuck trying to help a middle east country discover democracy (dont think its gonna happen, sorry, seems to be oppression is the natural thing there). On the Domestic front though, Bush is and has been as about as bad as you could get as a Pres.

Course that aint gonna happen till we go ahead and revolt against Tyrany again. The public doesnt elect anyone anymore. Special Interest rich folks elect em, their dollars is what calls the shots.

I spend a lot of my free time for the last couple of years thinking of how to fix America. And believe it or not, I have come to a legitimate strategy to do so for those of you intrested. I'm only going to describe a few of them due to the fact nobody might not even see this.

1. Take one's focus of reform or revolution off of DC. Instead focus on changing the red vs blue landscape of the US district map. One district or two at a time.

2. Organization and raising funds between patriots should be the primary goal. Not changing government politics at federal levels. Leave that to the future generations.

3. Business. This is the major important goal for any reformer. Put down your urge to shoot up a politican and instead go into business. For yourself if possible. Own a business, take control of a business. Learning how to manage a business successfully provides reformers with the important ingrediant: Money.

- With reformers beginning to become America's economic players the next step is to find OTHER patriots in business' and form unions or alliances for organizational and support purposes.

- With revenue coming in and organizations forming, money will be a bit more of a useful tool. Charities and strategic philantropy and projects ("projects" which is the other strategy I'm not really going to bother to go into) will be carefully decided.

4. Finally a common theme to rally fellow reformers to gether. A hint: the American founding fathers' original intent.

That's as far as I'll bother going. But there is more that are important to strengthen a reform movement that can counter the democrat/republican death grip that the country is under.