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Yeah, take a first year Philosophy class.

Read Ninian Smart "World Veiws".

Ninian Smart is currently the leading authority where both teaching and studying Religions(more correct World Veiws) is concerned(in philosophical setting).EDITED--red

I am not mincing definitions, Creationism is not Christian--simply because certain Christian groups have Hijacked the term does not change that.

did that. got the major. went to grad school for it. thanks.

you are just playing with words. creationism in any sort of relevant sense is explicitly motivated by the genesis myth.



Slack-jawwed ebonics speakers use the word "bad" to mean "good" however that does not change the meaning of the word.

racist much?

First you are the one playing with words-- I use them correctly you use them commonly.

Creationism in the relevant philosophical sense has nothing to do with the Christian myth-beyond that the Christian myth falls in the catergory.

My point is again proven-and by a supposed Major in philosophy that I am talking to neophytes who have not even grasped basic ideas of Wittgenstein which is also first year philosophy.

You claim to have a degree in a subject whose terminology escapes you, and I am playing with words?

If that were the case then I challenge you to cut me up, exercise that major.

I must say so far all I have seen is regurgitated internet pablum.
As far as being racist, laughable diversion from the fact you fail to present any real arguement against my logic--misuse of a word does not change its meaning.
Also, you appear to be racist--I myself was unaware that poor speech patterns were a function of race as you have implied.

Now your ignorance about social interaction aside, back to you having majored in PHL please by all means show me your amazing handle on the subject.


Well Free Soviets,
here is a thread where you can come and use that PHL major to pick me to peices.
Since you seemed incapable of doing it anywhere else.

No one needs a philosophy major to pick you to peices. But here is something to remember, Creationism is infact the belief that a higher pwoer created life. However, when using it in a techinical sense it is exclusively Christian, Intelligent Design being used when refering to alternative creation myths(truths). All of that said, you are correct in your assumption that Creationism is defined as any ID.

But that's not what drive me to reply it's this:
Slack-jawwed ebonics speakers use the word "bad" to mean "good" however that does not change the meaning of the word.As a black person I find this comment racist and offencive to the degree I deman an apology.

He referred to ebonics speakers, not black people. It is possible for white people to speak ebonic. If however you wish for him to apologise to the "race" of ebonics speakers for calling them slack-jawed, then by all means do so - you crazy person you.

Instead of apologies, why not just delete this jackass thread?

As a black person I find this comment racist and offencive to the degree I deman an apology.


You're not black! You're even closer to white than black! You look Arabic, unless you went Michael Jackson on us >.>

NEO! You're alive! I had assumed God had smote the crap out of you.

NEO! You're alive! I had assumed God had smote the crap out of you.

Yeah...suprisingly, these forums are civilized compared to the other ones I tried out :eek:

He referred to ebonics speakers, not black people. It is possible for white people to speak ebonic. If however you wish for him to apologise to the "race" of ebonics speakers for calling them slack-jawed, then by all means do so - you crazy person you.
That's exactly what I want him to apologise for.

You're not black! You're even closer to white than black!
I'm not sure how to feel...

That's exactly what I want him to apologise for.

Then by diggity what does you being black have to do with anything? Your protest should have run "As an ebonics speaker I find this comment racist and offensive to the degree I demand an apology." Or alternatively, "As an ebonix speaker I find dis here comment racist an' offensive ta da degree I demand an apology Don't make me come ovah there bitch..." *

*Ebonics courtesy of http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp

He referred to ebonics speakers, not black people. It is possible for white people to speak ebonic.

however, since he seems to be so concerned with the 'correct' use of language, he almost certainly knows that ebonics is the colloquial ('incorrect' or 'common' in his terminology) name for african american vernacular english. aave is a dialect/creole spoken almost exclusively by black americans - though obviously not all black americans speak aave. the derogatory use of the term 'slack-jawwed [sic] ebonics speakers' has clearly racist implications.

I'm not sure how to feel...
I think she is saying something about race being truly non-existent or that there is technically no such thing as a “black” person. Either way I agree.

Of course, she just may have just been being a jerk.

however, since he seems to be so concerned with the 'correct' use of language, he almost certainly knows that ebonics is the colloquial ('incorrect' or 'common' in his terminology) name for african american vernacular english. aave is a dialect/creole spoken almost exclusively by black americans - though obviously not all black americans speak aave. the derogatory use of the term 'slack-jawwed [sic] ebonics speakers' has clearly racist implications.

Not necessarily. Like you said Ebonics speakers tend to be black but not all blacks speak ebonics. All his comments show are a derogatory opinion of ebonics speakers, not the African American race. If a white man approached him with an ebonic greeting he'd be just as quick to think less of him.

Then by diggity what does you being black have to do with anything? Your protest should have run "As an ebonics speaker I find this comment racist and offensive to the degree I demand an apology." Or alternatively, "As an ebonix speaker I find dis here comment racist an' offensive ta da degree I demand an apology Don't make me come ovah there bitch..." *

*Ebonics courtesy of http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp
Wow! Thanks for taking the racism up a notch. I appreciate that.

I do not speak "ebonics", why? Because quite frankly I'm a from an upper-middle-class family who grew up in the suburbs. So it really makes no sense to me. That said, there is no reason to pick on the way one socio-economic group speaks. Which is what you're doing and is infact racist.

The fact that I am black has everything to do with the reason I am offended you would pick on one group of black people.

Now you can either swallow a little pride and apologise for your racism or choose to remain arrogant, bitter & an bigot. The choice is yours.

As I've pointed out, no-one is being rascist. The only person bringing race into this isyou. There is no "race" of ebonics speakers. Ebonics is a dialect. Anyone can speak it. Race and dialect are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FACETS OF REALITY. That is why they are DIFFERENT WORDS. Because they are DIFFERENT THINGS. NO-ONE BUT YOU HAS MENTIONED BLACK PEOPLE.

*Rubs at brow of nose*

He still doesn't understand. I know it. He's still going to persist, God help us all.

As I've pointed out, no-one is being rascist. The only person bringing race into this isyou. There is no "race" of ebonics speakers. Ebonics is a dialect. Anyone can speak it. Race and dialect are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FACETS OF REALITY. That is why they are DIFFERENT WORDS. Because they are DIFFERENT THINGS. NO-ONE BUT YOU HAS MENTIONED BLACK PEOPLE.

*Rubs at brow of nose*

He still doesn't understand. I know it. He's still going to persist, God help us all.
Yes I am going to persist.

Because the dialect "Ebonics" is clearly something race specific. The fact you cannot grasp that by insulting the practices associated with a race group, does not alter the fact that what you are saying is infact racist.

Yes I am going to persist.

Because the dialect "Ebonics" is clearly something race specific. The fact you cannot grasp that by insulting the practices associated with a race group, does not alter the fact that what you are saying is infact racist.

It doesn't matter whether a dialect is race specific you ignor... ggrrr... restraint... must show restraint.

People with the cockney dialect are white. If I say I hate the cockney dialect do I automatically hate all whites? Does disliking the Chinese inability to pronounce 'r' automatically subscribe me to "Lynchthecelestials.com"? If the Iranian accent grates on my ears to I hate all Arabs?

The answer?

F*CK NO!

Because that would be silly. As is your argument.

It doesn't matter whether a dialect is race specific you ignor... ggrrr... restraint... must show restraint.

People with the cockney dialect are white. If I say I hate the cockney dialect do I automatically hate all whites? Does disliking the Chinese inability to pronounce 'r' automatically subscribe me to "Lynchthecelestials.com"? If the Iranian accent grates on my ears to I hate all Arabs?

The answer?

F*CK NO!

Because that would be silly. As is your argument.
Yes, it is racist to make fun of the cockney accent.
Yes, it racist to make fun of the Chines accent.
Etc.

Does it mean you hate all people in that race group? I do not know. But it does mean you are saying something which is race specific in it's offence.

However, understanding you have no intention of abandoning your veiwpoint. I'll leave you to your devices.

Ps. Do not ever think to call me ignorant again, I am far from it.

worst thread ever.

IT'S NOT RACE SPECIFIC IN IT'S OFFENCE! THAT'S THE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DRILL INTO YOUR HEAD!

I swear, for someone who claims not to be ignorant you're showing all the wrong signs.

Cockney people are not a race. Neither are the Chinese or Iranians. They are large groups of people made up of many different races. Therefore to call disliking their accents racism is idiocy. If anything it's "Dialectism" or some other Politically Correct terminology. Feel free to call me guilty of dialectism. You won't get all the support you'd get over a charge of racism since Dialectism is inherently sillier and of no import to anyone.

Wow! Thanks for taking the racism up a notch. I appreciate that.

I do not speak "ebonics", why? Because quite frankly I'm a from an upper-middle-class family who grew up in the suburbs. So it really makes no sense to me. That said, there is no reason to pick on the way one socio-economic group speaks. Which is what you're doing and is infact racist.

The fact that I am black has everything to do with the reason I am offended you would pick on one group of black people.

Now you can either swallow a little pride and apologise for your racism or choose to remain arrogant, bitter & an bigot. The choice is yours.

No reason to apologize there. No direspect put forward that wasnt needed after all.

Ebonics is BS too.

Ebonics...

Ebon...."Black."

IT'S NOT RACE SPECIFIC IN IT'S OFFENCE! THAT'S THE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DRILL INTO YOUR HEAD!

I swear, for someone who claims not to be ignorant you're showing all the wrong signs.

Cockney people are not a race. Neither are the Chinese or Iranians. They are large groups of people made up of many different races. Therefore to call disliking their accents racism is idiocy. If anything it's "Dialectism" or some other Politically Correct terminology. Feel free to call me guilty of dialectism. You won't get all the support you'd get over a charge of racism since Dialectism is inherently sillier and of no import to anyone.

If you are white and say anything. Your a racist.

To any races other then the one speaking if you disagree you are a racist if you dont agree.

That is how the logic goes. Dont believe me ? check out www.blackamericaweb.com. biggest Racist site ive seen on the net so far. The hatred spit there is just disgusting, more disgusting to me personally is many of them consider themselves Christians. Watch for the one calling herself Earth there. She was burnt by her man choosing another race woman over her I think, she is sooo full of hate over that.

IT'S NOT RACE SPECIFIC IN IT'S OFFENCE! THAT'S THE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DRILL INTO YOUR HEAD!

I swear, for someone who claims not to be ignorant you're showing all the wrong signs.

Cockney people are not a race. Neither are the Chinese or Iranians. They are large groups of people made up of many different races. Therefore to call disliking their accents racism is idiocy. If anything it's "Dialectism" or some other Politically Correct terminology. Feel free to call me guilty of dialectism. You won't get all the support you'd get over a charge of racism since Dialectism is inherently sillier and of no import to anyone.

Obersten Führer, wie sollten hageln wir alle Anti-Rassisten heute töten?

Yes, it is racist to make fun of the cockney accent.
Yes, it racist to make fun of the Chines accent.
Etc.

I snipped some of the content of Rotovias post. So anyone who missed it just scroll up.

Anyway, by claiming that ridiculing the cockney accent is racist you just proved you don't know what racism is. Cockney speakers aren't a race, just a mixed bunch of people who slaughter the english language. I'm still undecided about the slack jawed comment but your points beyond that remark show an amazing amount of...oohh...ignorance. Try to get a grip and please don't smother _dialect_ discussions with dumb talk about racism.
I myself speak a dialect called "skånska" in Sweden. It's the most distinct dialect here but no one is dumb enough to call everyone who speaks it a "race".

So yeah, this thread is kinda shit.

I feel like a kid again.
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No one needs a philosophy major to pick you to peices. But here is something to remember, Creationism is infact the belief that a higher pwoer created life. However, when using it in a techinical sense it is exclusively Christian, Intelligent Design being used when refering to alternative creation myths(truths). All of that said, you are correct in your assumption that Creationism is defined as any ID.

But that's not what drive me to reply it's this:
As a black person I find this comment racist and offencive to the degree I deman an apology.
First in the Technical sense would be the Academic Sense-and since in the academic sense the Creationist concept has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity-beyond the fact that Christian Ideas fall under the umbrella of creationism Myths is the correct usage of the word.

Associating Creationism with Christianity is the common--more precise ignorant definition of hte word.

As far as an apology--I am half black, I speak proper english, and so does my family.

It is ignorant degenerates like you who perpetuate the sterotype of "jive talkin niggas".
You are a deficit to plight of American Black males.

however, since he seems to be so concerned with the 'correct' use of language, he almost certainly knows that ebonics is the colloquial ('incorrect' or 'common' in his terminology) name for african american vernacular english. aave is a dialect/creole spoken almost exclusively by black americans - though obviously not all black americans speak aave. the derogatory use of the term 'slack-jawwed [sic] ebonics speakers' has clearly racist implications.

They teach a study in Ebonics at Berkley--All black school? I hadn't noticed.

You simply need to attach a racist conotation to my words because first-you are incapable of debating me with just points of fact cited by noted authorities, and two because you are ignorant enough to assume only Blacks speak improper english, as cited in your post.

Long live the intellectualism of Free Soviets!

Yes I am going to persist.

Because the dialect "Ebonics" is clearly something race specific. The fact you cannot grasp that by insulting the practices associated with a race group, does not alter the fact that what you are saying is infact racist.
Ebonics is the product of popular culture as it relates to genre of music known as Hip Hop--dominated by African Americans, more Appropriate Black Americans(I have no way of knowing if I am African).
Hip Hop culture is by the definition ofthe major founders and proponenets "all inclusive" it was a vehicle the down drodden to express themselves.
This idea is common among Hip Hop icons such as Mojo, Chuck D, Hercules--the Latin, Asian and Caucasian influences have been present in Hip Hop from the begining if under represented.

All Spanish speakers are not Hispanic--All Ebonics speakers are not Black.
The very assumption is contrived and only serves to degrade the efforts of intelligent, hard working educated Black Americans to escape a stereotype most imposed on them by the ignorance of their own.

I am sorry Rotovia, speaking correctly isnt talking White, it is talking Right.
It is not my fault you are so racially confused you believe all us poor colored folks gets jiggity with the stupidity. It might serve you well to associate with some Blacks so as to untangle your mind from the sterotypes sold by Corporate White America.

worst thread ever.
If you read the title it was really only intended for one preson--who doesnt have the balls to back up his supposed Grad School major with actually speaking--other then to call me a Racist.

Ebonics is the product of popular culture as it relates to genre of music known as Hip Hop

ah, so you are just ignorant of what the word means. i would suggest you look it up and learn a thing or two sometime. i suppose i can see why you might think it not racist to say what you said - doesn't make it any less racist to have said it, but if you appoligze for speaking about a subject you knew nothing about all will probably be forgiven.

ah, so you are just ignorant of what the word means. i would suggest you look it up and learn a thing or two sometime. i suppose i can see why you might think it not racist to say what you said - doesn't make it any less racist to have said it, but if you appoligze for speaking about a subject you knew nothing about all will probably be forgiven.
Should I look it up in a Wiki or a FAQ?

Which do you consider Grad School material?

Please provide the PROPER definition of Ebonics and the source, some notable figures in the growth of Ebonics as a cultural phenom in the United States and Globally.

Oh wait, let me give you time to google some tripe up.

Again, Free Soviets I am not seeing this Grad school education in Philosophy shine through.

I am certain you should have a much deeper grasp then someone such as myself, yet you continue to hover over racism.

Let my be more clear, you indeed do not have a any College experience with Philosophy, at least where the phrase Incomplete is not used.
If you did you would be able to engage me, on an educated level.

But we hover as I said, where the slack-jawwed masses-such as your self are comfortable.

I am surprised that someone who Majored in Philosophy(as you claim) didnt attempt to counter my arguements based Ludwig's principles.
Not that you would have been successful, but you didint even attempt it.
That hardly seems like someone who knows anything aboutthe subject, rather it seems like a child who was trying to sound intelligent--by using the script of a mountain dew commercial "been there, did that" Philosophy Major, Grad school, indeed.

Perhaps you would be more comfortabler debating about Anime and who the cutest girl in your grade is.

You are are most assuradly beneath me, your total in ability to come with a genuine academic arguement proves you are a liar, and an imbicile.

I am done with you.

If you read the title it was really only intended for one preson--who doesnt have the balls to back up his supposed Grad School major with actually speaking--other then to call me a Racist.

i prefer threads with my name in them to be either entertaining or intellectually worth my time. not half-assed attempts at provocation from arrogant little shits that took a couple phil classes and think they have everything all figured out. because they are really a rather common side effect of philosophy classes - the insufferable prick who isn't even wrong in interesting ways, just wrong in general. an unfortunate side effect, but one that apparently is unavoidable.

When can I get my Free Soviets?

i prefer threads with my name in them to be either entertaining or intellectually worth my time. not half-assed attempts at provocation from arrogant little shits that took a couple phil classes and think they have everything all figured out. because they are really a rather common side effect of philosophy classes - the insufferable prick who isn't even wrong in interesting ways, just wrong in general. an unfortunate side effect, but one that apparently is unavoidable.

Shit, and Half assed- So what boring way am I wrong, and please connect it tothe theory--as I did with your fallacy of an arguement, by using the basic princples set forth by good old Ludwig.

You are familiar I assume.

Please by all means putthis little shit in his place, or you could continue with grade school insults.

Would prefer another school of philosophy?
Perhaps Ludwig is too advanced for you, or wait--I know, it was too long ago.

Strange how I doubt that, I think perhaps you will do one of two things.
insult me again, oh and how frightful that is, being called a shit-to the quick that was.

Or

You wont post again, because you know you never studied philosophy--even if you attended a thousand classes, as it is plainly obvious now and more obvious with every post you make you have no clue about any of even the most basic principles taught in any philosophy class in the Western World.

You could of course prove me wrong.

When can I get my Free Soviets?

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Success!!!
You must be so proud.
You didnt do either thing I expected--you did duck my challenge yes, but by posting tripe-minus an insult against me I am so impressed.

Baby is all grow'd up. :D

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