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Katrina wasn’t as bad as you people think it is.This will not be forgotten about in a week because you, the Americans, will talk about this for years. Did you know that when the tsunami hit Asia you, America, the RICHEST country in the world, donated the least amount of money in the entire world. Britain gave what, I think 3 or 5 times what the whole of America did to the tsunami victims. The tsunami was WAY more serious and fatal than Hurricane Katrina. Yeah, okay, it's bad but hey, England and Europe gets flooding all the time, yeah so nobody has died but the situation they were in is the same. I can't believe that you are all acting like this is the worst natural disaster in years, as soon as it happened you organised a big concert to raise money, did the tsunami victims get one? Um, months down the line, I think, if I can remember it at all. I've hardly even heard about Hurricane Katrina, stop trying to grab the worlds attention America, the last I heard it was downsized to a tropical depression. Why you Americans require that the world spotlight is continually on you is beyond my reasoning.

Actually, when the valleys of central Europe flood, there are usually dozens of deaths. It was the case earlier this summer, and a couple of years ago too. The town of Regensburg was built in a bowl and was obliterated. Not so bad, though, it was small, and European social democracy means that no-one gets left behind.

I disagree however that this will be quickly forgotten. In March, the US NE seaboard will get blacked out same as August 2003 because the natural gas winter storage injection programme has been derailed, and that is likely to last weeks.

Thousands of people killed, huge quantities of oil and imports shut down at a time when they're at record highs, and incradible amounts of devastation. How could we not deserve any attention? This is pretty serious if you ask me.

Oh, and the reason the US donated so little to the tsunami was because we donated our money privately rather than have it misappropriated, lined with pork and riders, and having some of it siphoned off by corrupt officials in the government. The US donates money through private organizations so that it can do the most good the fastest, rather than have it be delayed by the government bureaucracy.

Katrina wasn’t as bad as you people think it is.
I think it is as bad as a city or two being destroyed, hundreds of thousands being left injured and homeless, and an as-yet-undetermined death toll probably in the thousands. Wanna tell me that it's not that bad?

Hurricane Katrina is the worst natural disaster in the history of America. A lot of people lost everything. I don't think it is getting too much attention. People need to understand the enormity of the situation so they can help. When the tsunami happened it was on the news just like Katrina is, stories of how bad things were, pleas for help. There always is.

You are so full of shit! We sent money, resources and people over to the tsunami victims. It was constantly in the spotlight...so dont even start with youre American hating! This was an unbelieveable blow to the citizens of New Orleans and for all the countries who have showed their compassion and good will towards our country it is very much appreciated. What is wrong with people? All they seem to do is criticize and insult others -these people have all lost their homes, jobs everything and darn near lost their lives and we get sarcastic shit from others . We hear about the tragedies that happen in other countries, we do care here-American doctors go to third world countries and provide medical treatments free of charge to help the children. Dont tell me we dont care nor help!!!

I hate to burst out but Caribel, your a bumbling idiot. Americans understand the devistation of the tsunami and your right maybe we didnt give as much as we should. I honestly won't and can't agrue that battle. Yes, I do agree in most cases the right thing to do is help other countries. However, who other than the United States has given itself the title of protecter of foreign lands, so why must we be obliged to help everyone else? In addition, why advert attention to a situation that didnt happen in the United States. It seems as though you care more about the well-being of other countries than you do our own. I dont think Im out of line when I say you got to get your priorities straight.

If he's a liberal (which I'm guessing he is by the way he's bashing America): What a disgrace...

If he's a conservative (which I'm guessing he's not): What a disgrace...

If he's from a European country: What a disgrace...

If he's from any other country: What a disgrace...

Basically, Caribel, shut your hole. People died. Get off your high-horse and don't be such a little boy. You're worthless, arrogant rant only reminds the world that retards exist. That's the only reason I hate Reagan. He got rid of mental institutions, where we can put morons like you.


On a Cynical Note: The economy of the entire world is going to be affected by this, and I'm sorry to say, the economy of the entire world isn't going to be affected as much by a tsunami hitting Sri Lanka...

PS: His post just upsets me. I know what I wrote sounds Childish, but hey, Fight Fire with Fire.

Actually, when the valleys of central Europe flood, there are usually dozens of deaths. It was the case earlier this summer, and a couple of years ago too. The town of Regensburg was built in a bowl and was obliterated. Not so bad, though, it was small, and European social democracy means that no-one gets left behind.

I disagree however that this will be quickly forgotten. In March, the US NE seaboard will get blacked out same as August 2003 because the natural gas winter storage injection programme has been derailed, and that is likely to last weeks.

It's likely to be earlier than March, I've heard.

It's likely to be earlier than March, I've heard.
I am such an incurable optimist. :p

I am such an incurable optimist. :p

I've been bracing for the possiblity of having a black birthday this year, February 12. Very, very cold. It will be bad if we have a cold winter.

I've been bracing for the possiblity of having a black birthday this year, February 12. Very, very cold. It will be bad if we have a cold winter.
Yeah, it would suck to be a stranded commuter in New York in the snow. Buy blankets, LOL.

Yeah, it would suck to be a stranded commuter in New York in the snow. Buy blankets, LOL.

People will most certainly start dying if we have an extended snow and cold period and no heat.

People will most certainly start dying if we have an extended snow and cold period and no heat.
Yeah, I can believe that. This could yet have wider fallout.

And looking at some of the photos, when a floating rig gets torn off its moorings, all the connecting pipes get ripped up. You get a 1000m pipe sticking vertically out of the seafloor with no tension to hold it in place. It falls, getting bent at the wellhead. At that depth, you're not going to extract the twisted metal, you may have to redrill the well. And the US drilling rig count has been maxed out for years.

Rebuilding the refineries could be just one energy system headache. You've already lost 25% of your refining capacity, the stuff in the SPR is crude, useless if it cannot be refined, and the refined product reserves held by European IEA members are not going to last forever. If on top of all this you have to rebuild a chunk of the upstream stuff as well...you could find a 25% bite taken out of your oil supply for a year, more catastrophic for natural gas, because if you have a massive shortfall in injection one year, you cannot make up much lost ground the next.

Once the engineers have done their surveys, you could be in a world of pain.

Rebuilding the refineries could be just one energy system headache. You've already lost 25% of your refining capacity, the stuff in the SPR is crude, useless if it cannot be refined, and the refined product reserves held by European IEA members are not going to last forever. If on top of all this you have to rebuild a chunk of the upstream stuff as well...you could find a 25% bite taken out of your oil supply for a year, more catastrophic for natural gas, because if you have a massive shortfall in injection one year, you cannot make up much lost ground the next.

I've been reading that a considerable number of refineries are coming back online within the next week, altough I don't know the full extent of the refining capacity shut down. There are as far as I know four refineries that will take some time to restore, but I think quite a bit of capacity is coming online.

I just read that about 50% of refining capacity will be online within 2 weeks and the colonial pipeline will be near normal capacity in a few days. It's up to 86% now

If he's a liberal (which I'm guessing he is by the way he's bashing America): What a disgrace....
Now hold on just one freakin' moment......while I hate to possibly threadjack like this (and I'll get to the thread topic in a moment), I must say that not all liberals are America-bashers, and definitely not all America-bashers are liberals. Frankly, I'm a little hurt you think that :(

And they're right man, you're slightly dumb. Or incredibly retarded, whichever helps you sleep better. I get the impression that either you're not from America, or you're 11 years old and regurgitating something you heard somebody who's not from America say, and thought maybe you'd seem more intelligent if you started your own America-hatin' thread. Are you aware that maybe, just maybe, the reason the US is trying to keep the proverbial spotlight on us, as you say, is because this isn't just an issue in the area the hurricane hit? Shit, I live in Kansas City and we're suffering from it. I donated the extra room in my house because we're one of the major cities in close enough proximity that they're requesting permission to send those without any other place to go, up to us. This isn't a matter of "Drain your city and quit your bitching", this is a serious national issue -- and as already stated, given America's position in the world, it's likely to be a serious INTERnational issue as well.

Besides, it's not like we're begging for help all over the world. You have no place to bring the tsunami crap against us (and even that's not like 'nobody donated more than a few pennies', y'know) when we're not openly scrounging to the rest of the world.

There. There's MY Katrina rant.

I have but one thing to say to the starter of this thread:

Congratulations! You're a fucking moron!

I just read that about 50% of refining capacity will be online within 2 weeks
Well, that's good, I suppose the stuff that was shut down as a precaution and was not in the immediately-affected area. The stuff that has had heavy objects smashed through it by waves before getting submerged, that's going to take a whole lot longer.

Well, that's good, I suppose the stuff that was shut down as a precaution and was not in the immediately-affected area. The stuff that has had heavy objects smashed through it by waves before getting submerged, that's going to take a whole lot longer.

Still, about 880,000 bpd of refining capacity are shut in due to that damage, so the situation will be volatile. However, as long as we keep emergency supplies open, things will be kept under control.

Still, about 880,000 bpd of refining capacity are shut in due to that damage, so the situation will be volatile. However, as long as we keep emergency supplies open, things will be kept under control.
Heh, a tip learned the hard way by the UK government in autumn 2000.

Do not let slip the words "panic buying" at a press conference.

:eek:

Katrina wasn’t as bad as you people think it is.This will not be forgotten about in a week because you, the Americans, will talk about this for years. Did you know that when the tsunami hit Asia you, America, the RICHEST country in the world, donated the least amount of money in the entire world. Britain gave what, I think 3 or 5 times what the whole of America did to the tsunami victims. The tsunami was WAY more serious and fatal than Hurricane Katrina. Yeah, okay, it's bad but hey, England and Europe gets flooding all the time, yeah so nobody has died but the situation they were in is the same. I can't believe that you are all acting like this is the worst natural disaster in years, as soon as it happened you organised a big concert to raise money, did the tsunami victims get one? Um, months down the line, I think, if I can remember it at all. I've hardly even heard about Hurricane Katrina, stop trying to grab the worlds attention America, the last I heard it was downsized to a tropical depression. Why you Americans require that the world spotlight is continually on you is beyond my reasoning.

Thousands of the poorest of the poor died. Thousands. It will cost us billions to repair everything. We can't forget about it like you Europeans can. And as far as I remember, it's the worst that's happened here in a long while.

It's likely to be earlier than March, I've heard.

Hopefully that doesn't happen here in Lancaster. Of course, classes will get cancelled.....

nevermind! LOL

but wait? No college basketball? :eek:

Crap, we need to keep the power on here :D

Katrina wasn’t as bad as you people think it is.This will not be forgotten about in a week because you, the Americans, will talk about this for years. Did you know that when the tsunami hit Asia you, America, the RICHEST country in the world, donated the least amount of money in the entire world. Britain gave what, I think 3 or 5 times what the whole of America did to the tsunami victims. The tsunami was WAY more serious and fatal than Hurricane Katrina. Yeah, okay, it's bad but hey, England and Europe gets flooding all the time, yeah so nobody has died but the situation they were in is the same. I can't believe that you are all acting like this is the worst natural disaster in years, as soon as it happened you organised a big concert to raise money, did the tsunami victims get one? Um, months down the line, I think, if I can remember it at all. I've hardly even heard about Hurricane Katrina, stop trying to grab the worlds attention America, the last I heard it was downsized to a tropical depression. Why you Americans require that the world spotlight is continually on you is beyond my reasoning.

Come down here and say that to us. No. Get out of wherever you are, get your ass down here and say that to the thousands in NO on the streets. Right now.

I'm tired of hearing foriegners bash Americans after this tragedy, saying that we're acting "spoiled" or whatever.

As a matter of fact, I'm tired of bullshit in general so why don't we call it a day...?

To the author of this thread,

I'm sorry you feel that way. As an American, I shall never forget what happened on the 29th of August 2005. I will not forget the horrors of the devestation caused by Katrina. I will not forget those that died in this terrible storm. I will not forget those that have lost everything in this massive Category 4 hurricane.

You sir really need to understand taht we are americans and we never forget the worst tragedies to befall our nation.

May God have mercy on your soul.

PS: His post just upsets me. I know what I wrote sounds Childish, but hey, Fight Fire with Fire.
Wrong, you don't fight fire with fire, you simply don't respond, or you use debating tactics to prove him wrong. By fighting fire with fire, you're becoming just as bad the one who 'flames' in the first place. Don't do it again.

This thread is going to be locked, simply because the first statement was flamebaiting.