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How many people here would like to come to Scotland just for a trip, or like the sound of Scotland even if you never want to travel, just wanting to here public opinion on my fair country.

Anything to wear a skirt and still look manly. :D

I wanna wear a skirt and eat sheep guts
hooray scotland

I already live in Scotland which I'm perfectly happy about although it can only be a good country once we're independent from the English oppressors.

I already live in Scotland which I'm perfectly happy about although it can only be a good country once we're independent from the English oppressors.

HA ........... HA :rolleyes: i hope thats a joke.

I like scotland to visit , i woudent want to live there though.

I already live in Scotland which I'm perfectly happy about although it can only be a good country once we're independent from the English oppressors.

I loved braveheart and how do the english "oppress" you

I loved braveheart and how do the english "oppress" you

just incase you dont know braveheart was not accurate...

I've been to Scotland twice, nice place. Not quite as good as Ireland, but still... ;)

i'd like to go to scotland one day, it seems such a peacefull place :)

sitting on a hill listening to explosions in the sky and mogwai during a storm is one of my dreams.

yes come and see lovely scotland, green gras, cows, hanging englishmen it's got everything, plus whoever wants to come can book with me in glasgow and watch a celtics match.

sexy accent!

I loved braveheart and how do the english "oppress" you

Have you ever heard of the Highland Clearances?

Anyways, the Scots are better off being with the English because they can remain economically sound. Something they can't do alone.

ah scotland, and its secret naval bases, i know of one place you can tap on the bedrock and it sounds hollow.

but yes beautiful country, yadah yadah yadah.

Parthini']Have you ever heard of the Highland Clearances?

Anyways, the Scots are better off being with the English because they can remain economically sound. Something they can't do alone.

Haven't you heard of the 1800s Enclosures Act in England and Wales? Same thing, basically. Not a case of "the english" oppressing "the scottish", because some Scottish lairds did very well out of the Clearances. More a case of the aristocracy oppressing the peasantry.

It's not entirely a joke as Scotland became part of Britain in 1707 against the will of the vast majority of the population and since then we have been used by the reactionary British state, for example, in the armed forces where a third of its members are Scots despite the fact we make up only a tenth of the population. This is a result of the higher poverty here despite all our oil wealth which is stolen by British corporations.

I think my heart belongs in Scotland.

I have family there somewhere, both of my parents parents (my grandparents) were from there, it is in my blood.

They say the closest I can get aside from going there, is in Canada, in Newfoundland.. the landscape is striking and the people are just as... everything. 8-) Eastern Canada has a huge Scot polulation actaully... and I have yet to get there either 8-(

Someday I will travel the world though, and Scotland is top of my list.

It's not entirely a joke as Scotland became part of Britain in 1707 against the will of the vast majority of the population and since then we have been used by the reactionary British state, for example, in the armed forces where a third of its members are Scots despite the fact we make up only a tenth of the population. This is a result of the higher poverty here despite all our oil wealth which is stolen by British corporations.

Again, an issue of the poor being oppressed rather than it being hugely nationalistic - although i'm not arguing there wasn't a nationalist bias, the English state tended to view the celts in Ireland, Scotland and Wales as being somewhat subhuman, and this may have added to their vigour, but they treated their english subjects just as badly.

It's not entirely a joke as Scotland became part of Britain in 1707 against the will of the vast majority of the population and since then we have been used by the reactionary British state, for example, in the armed forces where a third of its members are Scots despite the fact we make up only a tenth of the population. This is a result of the higher poverty here despite all our oil wealth which is stolen by British corporations.


HAHAHA , under international law, only about a third of north sea oil is scottish.

Yeah, britian has been so evil, how we subsidse scottish spending, on your own , scotland woudent last 5 minutes.

Yeah, britian has been so evil, how we subsidse scottish spending, on your own , scotland woudent last 5 minutes.

back to the braveheart comment, it may not of happened that way, but the scots sure as hell kicked the english ass in that time period and scotland flourished with the english "help" around then so think about it.

HAHAHA , under international law, only about a third of north sea oil is scottish.

Yeah, britian has been so evil, how we subsidse scottish spending, on your own , scotland woudent last 5 minutes.

The Oil thing is a nonsense anyway, the oil was discovered when Scotland was part of the UK and exploited by UK corporations, and the Scottish infrastructure got a kickback from this (there's a formula for funding in the UK, can't remember the name, but it means Scotland and Wales get higher per head spending than England, because of issues like poverty and geographical remoteness).

Capitalism doesn't care about national boundaries. If Europaland believes his nation will suddenly become all prosperous once the dead hand of Westminster is removed, well, he's entitled to that opinion, but he's wrong.

back to the braveheart comment, it may not of happened that way, but the scots sure as hell kicked the english ass in that time period and scotland flourished with the english "help" around then so think about it.

The scots had a few victories, we beat them in everyother time period. Scotland flourishing then!?!! hahaha.

The Oil thing is a nonsense anyway, the oil was discovered when Scotland was part of the UK and exploited by UK corporations, and the Scottish infrastructure got a kickback from this (there's a formula for funding in the UK, can't remember the name, but it means Scotland and Wales get higher per head spending than England, because of issues like poverty and geographical remoteness).

Capitalism doesn't care about national boundaries. If Europaland believes his nation will suddenly become all prosperous once the dead hand of Westminster is removed, well, he's entitled to that opinion, but he's wrong.

good post, coudent agree more

back to the braveheart comment, it may not of happened that way, but the scots sure as hell kicked the english ass in that time period and scotland flourished with the english "help" around then so think about it.

I think that was more to do with the Norman aristocracy that ruled England being too busy with their french possessions to properly enforce their rule over a wild and mountainous land in the face of opposition from the Norman aristocracy that ruled Scotland myself.

HAHAHA , under international law, only about a third of north sea oil is scottish.

Yeah, britian has been so evil, how we subsidse scottish spending, on your own , scotland woudent last 5 minutes.

There is still a lot of oil in the north sea and almost all of it is in Scotland or Norway, a country of a similar size but also the richest per capita in the world. The oil which belongs to Scotland under international law will create a huge amount of money which if the industry is nationalised can be invested in improving the lives of Scottish people. Britain may give Scotland some subsidies but it certainly doesn't compensate for the profits lost due to the fact that our oil is in the hands of English corporations.

I think your being a little silly here. Why should English corporations not be allowed to drill fo oil. The corporation tax all goes to Britain and Scotland takes more then its fair share anyway. Secondly that Scotland flourished in the middle ages does not mean it would do now. The Incas flourished then as did the Holy Roman Empire. I think we can leave petty nationalism alone.

Besides except for the occational "how many scotsmen does it take to change a lightbulb" joke I hardly think we the English oppress you today (Gordon Brown is Scottish and His Tonyness was born there). I think we should consoliades Britian's power not disolve it for no good reason.

.....and then talk about hiking......

Besides except for the occational "how many scotsmen does it take to change a lightbulb" joke I hardly think we the English oppress you today (Gordon Brown is Scottish and His Tonyness was born there). I think we should consoliades Britian's power not disolve it for no good reason.

.....and then talk about hiking......

I can think of a current example of what might be called oppression. All of the Scottish army regiments are being banded together to make a 'super-regiment'. There are no Scottish soldiers that I know of in favour of this, and as far as I'm aware, the majority of Scotland's population is against this move as well.

I wouldn't mind visiting Scotland. I mean, if it has wireless internet service, I think I can live with it. ;)

I can think of a current example of what might be called oppression. All of the Scottish army regiments are being banded together to make a 'super-regiment'. There are no Scottish soldiers that I know of in favour of this, and as far as I'm aware, the majority of Scotland's population is against this move as well.

Hardly "oppression", because they've done it throughout the army, to various regiments with the same traditions etc - see the merging of the two Welsh Regiments into one.

Now, if "Army bureacracy" = "oppression", then yeah, damn those oppressive English.

Only, even if you are paranoid enough to believe that an administrative thing like that is a sign of oppression, it still falls down, given the merger is a budgetary issue, and given the man in charge of all budgets is grim son of the manse, Big Gordon Brown, who i think would be bit annoyed to be called an English oppressor...

I'd love to and I might add it to my potential trip to London in 2012...

I LOVE BAGPIPES! I wish I had and could play one...I should learn...

-snip- Only, even if you are paranoid enough to believe that an administrative thing like that is a sign of oppression -snip-
Paranoid? Anything administrative is oppression! Down with all authority! (except me of course, I your Supreme Ruler) ;)

scotland rocks

ive always wanted to visit scotland.

im just afraid that ill find out that its really some kind of industrial wasteland hellhole.

It's not entirely a joke as Scotland became part of Britain in 1707 against the will of the vast majority of the population and since then we have been used by the reactionary British state, for example, in the armed forces where a third of its members are Scots despite the fact we make up only a tenth of the population. This is a result of the higher poverty here despite all our oil wealth which is stolen by British corporations.

Did you know that in the rising of Bonny Prince Charlie, more Scots actually resisted Prince Charles than supported him, therefore supporting the British state? No, of course you don't. It's one of those convienant things that Scottish Nationalists like to forget.

And of course the fact that Scottish politicans actually play a huge part in Westminister at the moment (and have done in the past)? That too is generally ignored, despite the fact:

Gordon Brown (soon to be leader of Labour) is Scottish
Tony Blair was born in Scotland
John Reid is Scottish
Charles Kennedy is Scottish
Robin Cook was Scottish

So, if anything, Scotland is being oppressed by the Scottish. Still, the Scots have a funny way of showing this hatred of oppression: the SNP still isn't the biggest party in Scotland.

I personally would like to see a film made about the extremely destructive and brutal Scottish raids into England during the time of Robert the Bruce.

I would love to see Scotland, find some ancestral graves, see where some of my grandparents were from. Alternately I could go to Cape Breton and save myself some money. Oh wait, it's cheaper to fly to the UK than to the other side of my own country.

I say come on come all, Scotland is beautiful and you cant find a place more beautiful (as long as it is sunny).

I say come on come all, Scotland is beautiful and you cant find a place more beautiful (as long as it is sunny).

True. Scotland is beautiful. You just occasionally find the odd angry resident, like Europaland. That's what puts me off.

I already live in Scotland which I'm perfectly happy about although it can only be a good country once we're independent from the English oppressors.

However, how do you propose to fund government expenditure once estranged from England, given that we renumerate the Scottish parliament for tax deficiencies.

However, how do you propose to fund government expenditure once estranged from England, given that we renumerate the Scottish parliament for tax deficiencies.

Oh and we pay for your free university places while not offering the same deal to our own people.

How many people here would like to come to Scotland just for a trip, or like the sound of Scotland even if you never want to travel, just wanting to here public opinion on my fair country.


I would like very much to visit Scotland.

The fact that I have been known to wear a kilt and sporran, not withstanding.

Parthini']Have you ever heard of the Highland Clearances?

Anyways, the Scots are better off being with the English because they can remain economically sound. Something they can't do alone.
Yes I have, that is where land owners both English and SCOTTISH moved tenants off the lands so they could try to make more money rearing sheep, the worst offenders (strange word as it was legal) in the north of Scotland were indeed Scottish land owners. However it has always been far easier to blame the English.

There is still a lot of oil in the north sea and almost all of it is in Scotland or Norway, a country of a similar size but also the richest per capita in the world. The oil which belongs to Scotland under international law will create a huge amount of money which if the industry is nationalised can be invested in improving the lives of Scottish people. Britain may give Scotland some subsidies but it certainly doesn't compensate for the profits lost due to the fact that our oil is in the hands of English corporations.
Spoke to a number of Shetlanders (who do not consider themselves Scottish) and they say the oil belongs to the Shetlands not to Scotland. Danm Scots oppressing the Shetlanders!

If the oil is in British waters then it belongs to the whole of Britain and any British or British licenced companies can drill for it. IF its in international waters it belongs to nobody and can be drilled by anybody. Scotland is another part of the UK. Its nice that the UK has a varied culture but that doesn't mean it should tear itself apart.

I live in Edinburgh, and its cool, but not home - which I miss so much. Yesterday I went to Aberdeen because at the end of the month my partner is going there to start her PhD and will follow at the end of next month. Aberdeen is grim, grim grim - I think it'll kill me fairly quickly, either from depression induced suicide or oily food induced cardiac failure.

Well, I was born and lived awhile in Edinburgh - although i've lost my accent and can't remember much, it's still home.

As for English domination - its more like Scottish domination! England mostly voted Tory while Scotland mostly voted Labour. (Very embarassing) But I still think that the UK should remain together, preferably under a federal republic.

Aberdeen is grim, grim grim - I think it'll kill me fairly quickly, either from depression induced suicide or oily food induced cardiac failure.

Good lord. I liked Aberdeen the times that I've been there. And I'm going to be there for 5 years at Uni, starting in two weeks...

I'm going to make myself happy by assuming that it was just your opinion, and that you're wrong. :p

My girlfriend's Scottish, so I guess I have to like Scotland lol...nah it is a cool place been there a couple of times.

I come from Scotland but I now live in Nottingham.

If you are a tourist, I wouldn't recommend going to any of the 'central belt', which Ashmoria has called "some kind of industrial wasteland hellhole". The highlands are, as people have mentioned, exceptionally beautiful, but for my liking places like Fort William and Pitlochry are too touristy. I recommend you get off the beaten track and visit the Western Isles, which -although they will be freezing at this time of year- have beautiful scenery, lovely people and long, deserted beaches. I've heard good things about the Orkneys as well, especially if you are into fishing, though I've not been myself. Also worth visiting is the Galloway coast, which is also more accessible for English or European visitors. Don't just visit the main tourist traps though, there's nothing better than just driving out into the countryside and finding a nice beach, village, pub or fish & chip shop.

Unless you are after a true experience, I would advise you to find out when Rangers and Celtic are playing and avoid most of the West of Scotland on that day. Though its true that there's a lot less violence nowadays there is still a lot of tribalism in Greater Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire when they play.

As for city breaks... if you want to experience the real Scotland, go to Glasgow. If you want to experience the tourist version go to Edinburgh.

Unless you are after a true experience, I would advise you to find out when Rangers and Celtic are playing and avoid most of the West of Scotland on that day. Though its true that there's a lot less violence nowadays there is still a lot of tribalism in Greater Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Ayrshire when they play.

Yes. And for God sakes don't wear anything Green or Dark Blue on that day. Especially in Glasgow.