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Alright, a fun non-scientific poll (pun unintended) for all!

Don't bother getting into the semantics of "belief" in the poll options, it ain't worth your time.

I don't believe in creationism but I do believe in global warming

what does that make me - ignorant or indoctrinated? or something worse? :eek:

what does that make me - ignorant or indoctrinated? or something worse? :eek:

That's all subjective (yah right).
Basically, this poll measures your knowledge of science and your logical abilities, i.e. even though the current U.S. adminstration highly restricts information supporting global warming, the evidence is still out there and easy to find for yourself if you make the effort.

depressing isnt it

That's all subjective (yah right).
Basically, this poll measures your knowledge of science and your logical abilities, i.e. even though the current U.S. adminstration highly restricts information supporting global warming, the evidence is still out there and easy to find for yourself if you make the effort.


people dont doubt the globe is warming, it is why its warming they disagree on. some believe its a natural cycle that has been shown in history, others dont. Calling people ignorant because they dont believe what you believe is a very stupid way to argue a point and will make somebody not believe you reguardless, because nobody will agree with a prick.

That's all subjective (yah right).
Basically, this poll measures your knowledge of science and your logical abilities, i.e. even though the current U.S. adminstration highly restricts information supporting global warming, the evidence is still out there and easy to find for yourself if you make the effort.

What if you don't live in the U.S?

Hi Saipea

What if you don't live in the U.S?

Then you have something to be thankful for. (Please don't nuke the costal cities.)

people dont doubt the globe is warming, it is why its warming they disagree on. some believe its a natural cycle that has been shown in history, others dont. Calling people ignorant because they dont believe what you believe is a very stupid way to argue a point and will make somebody not believe you reguardless, because nobody will agree with a prick.

fuck relativism and being nice to idiots. If you willfully believe the wrong side of the argument then you are stupid. There are cases where one side is totally wrong and when its this important I believe slamming it down is justifiable.

because nobody will agree with a prick.

I beg to differ... Just because I'm an elitist little shit doesn't mean I'm not right.

In any event, the differences concerning global warming are also whether it is a threat to the environment or not, something which the current administration seems to disbelieve.

Hi Saipea

Hi baby cakes, see the message I left for you on the board?
Get back in there and fix me some cookie dough, then give Ass some loving.

(wow...that sounded gay)

people dont doubt the globe is warming

Unfortunately, that's not true. Never underestimate human stupidity.

Unfortunately, that's not true. Never underestimate human stupidity.

You speak the truth. Remember Albert Einstien:

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

omg ur all so dumb!!!11

The globe isn't warming, it's SHRINKING!!!

Over the last ten years, the universe (excluding me) has been shrinking. I remember when I was a kid, Earth used to be a little under 50,000,000 body lengths around. However, as I've aged, I've seen some terrible things. Earth is now only 22,000,000 body lengths around! The ceilings of buildings are so low, I can touch them. When I was 7 years old, it took over 10 minutes to run a mile! Now that the globe has shrunk, it only takes 6 minutes. This is a catastrophe! I went to Disneyland when I was 5. It was humongous!!! But I returned last year and was disappointed to find that it was tiny!!!

It's shrinking!!!!!111

omg ur all so dumb!!!11

The globe isn't warming, it's SHRINKING!!!

Over the last ten years, the universe (excluding me) has been shrinking. I remember when I was a kid, Earth used to be a little under 50,000,000 body lengths around. However, as I've aged, I've seen some terrible things. Earth is now only 22,000,000 body lengths around and now the ceilings of buildings are so low, I can touch them. When I was 7 years old, it took over 10 minutes to run a mile. Now that the globe has shrunk, it only takes 6 minutes. This is a catastrophe!

It's shrinking!!!!!111

it's not that it's shrinking it's just that the metric system has come into place, though i can see how you can get confused... damn metric system :mad:

omg ur all so dumb!!!11

The globe isn't warming, it's SHRINKING!!!

Over the last ten years, the universe (excluding me) has been shrinking. I remember when I was a kid, Earth used to be a little under 50,000,000 body lengths around. However, as I've aged, I've seen some terrible things. Earth is now only 22,000,000 body lengths around and now the ceilings of buildings are so low, I can touch them. When I was 7 years old, it took over 10 minutes to run a mile. Now that the globe has shrunk, it only takes 6 minutes. This is a catastrophe!

It's shrinking!!!!!111

Lol. Unless you were serious...

Don't "Lol" me! We must tell the president! The world is shrinking! That's the cause of the housing bubble--not enough room for houses! That's the cause of all these neighborly wars--borders encroaching upon eachother! Tell everyone you know!

There's been a coverup! The globe is shrinking!!!!

PS: I have proof too! I went to the library and saw a model of the Earth that was 2 feet wide. Yet when I went to the central library, I saw another model and it was only 1 foot wide! That's a 50% drop in size! HELP US!!!!

Don't "Lol" me! We must tell the president! The world is shrinking! That's the cause of the housing bubble--not enough room for houses! That's the cause of all these neighborly wars--borders encroaching upon eachother! Tell everyone you know!

There's been a coverup! The globe is shrinking!!!!

PS: I have proof too! I went to the library and saw a model of the Earth that was 2 feet wide. Yet when I went to the central library, I saw another model and it was only 1 foot wide! That's a 50% drop in size! HELP US!!!!

Maybe you're right. This (http://www.abbaswatchman.com/JESUS%20PICTURES%201/ASTROID%20HITTING%20EARTH%20AWSOME%20PICTURE%20MEDIUM!!!.jpg) happened when I was playing soccer the other day.

That doesn't look regulation size...

I have agreed to remain siezed upon both issues in question pending a final determination of defintions.

If by creationism you include all forms creation of either the earth or the universe by some agent, I accept it as possible while not raising to the level of belief that it is inevitably true. If by creationism you mean that I belive literally that Odin created the World from the body of Ymir, with no poetic liscense being involved, then no.

If by global warming, you mean global climate as existing although not necessarily at this time and not necessarily caused by the activites of man, then most certainly I do believe in it. If however you mean global warming to mean that man has created through his actions a situation which is solely responsible for raising the global temperature in the recent past and near future, then no I do not believe in it, although I do not count it as a impossiblity.

I have agreed to remain siezed upon both issues in question pending a final determination of defintions.
If by global warming, you mean global climate as existing although not necessarily at this time and not necessarily caused by the activites of man, then most certainly I do believe in it. If however you mean global warming to mean that man has created through his actions a situation which is solely responsible for raising the global temperature in the recent past and near future, then no I do not believe in it, although I do not count it as a impossiblity.

I wouldn't agree with the word 'solely' being there. It's obvious that there are natural warming and cooling cycles, so humans could never be solely responsible for climate change. However the best scientific evidence supports the idea that we are contributing to global warming. The only sensible debate would be about how large our contribution is compared to natural cycles.

If by creationism you include all forms creation of either the earth or the universe by some agent, I accept it as possible while not raising to the level of belief that it is inevitably true. If by creationism you mean that I belive literally that Odin created the World from the body of Ymir, with no poetic liscense being involved, then no.

If by global warming, you mean global climate as existing although not necessarily at this time and not necessarily caused by the activites of man, then most certainly I do believe in it. If however you mean global warming to mean that man has created through his actions a situation which is solely responsible for raising the global temperature in the recent past and near future, then no I do not believe in it, although I do not count it as a impossiblity.
Aside from a minor quibble, I must side with Squi.

Read "State of Fear", it will explain global warming.

Pick whichever floats your boat, I'd say you'd go under poll choice 3.

As for me, I'm usually passionate about whatever makes the most sense at the moment. Twice the fun, twice the anger and arguments, twice the let downs. I suppose it's better your way, but I enjoy the liveliness of my way, your neutralness.

Pick whichever floats your boat, I'd say you'd go under poll choice 3.

Despite the fact that my opinion wasn't asked for, I must say I agree with you again.

What's happening to me?!? Am I losing my mind???

As for me, I'm usually passionate about whatever makes the most sense at the moment. Twice the fun, twice the anger and arguments, twice the let downs. I suppose it's better your way, but I enjoy the liveliness of my way, your neutralness.

And what do you think makes most sense?

That's all subjective (yah right).
Basically, this poll measures your knowledge of science and your logical abilities, i.e. even though the current U.S. adminstration highly restricts information supporting global warming, the evidence is still out there and easy to find for yourself if you make the effort.

How exactly is it restricted??

I can type into google and find out as much if not more information "supporting" global warming (or atleast your view on what causes it) than what the administration holds to be true.

I can go to a public library and find similar results.

I can walk into a Borders, Barnes and Nobles, a local bookstore or go to Amazon.com and find a plethora of works on the subject.

I can type into Google: President Bush killed Kennedy and find out about Kennedy-Castro-Bush conspiracies.

How is any information restricted????

How exactly is it restricted??

I think what Saipea meant is that the administration is trying to keep global warming out of public attention to justify their enviromental policies.

Just a guess.

Are we talking man-made global warming or just the phenomenom known as global warming?

I don't believe in anything. Especially after someone tells me about it. Like this whole Internet thing, its just a big conspiracy to make me look at porn. In reality, I am just talking to a computer that will randomly deign whether to respond to me or not. If it says anything it will just be a randomly generated statement and/or a "Source Please".
Of course, I also don't believe in the computer, since that is just paranoid ramblings that I heard somewhere. I don't believe in computers at all, really. I mean, am I actually expected to believe that these so-called "pixels" exist only to prodduce various wave-lengths of "electromagnetic" radiation to provide me with the ability to type long winded epics on the orgies that the cast of Saved by the Bell had and then send that story to some "website" somewhere? And what about the language I'm "using"? Can anyone provide me with solid objective proof that the English language exists? What about communication, can you, without communicating, prove communication to me? No, you can't. So the very idea of communication relies on the communication existing.

I can type into Google: President Bush killed Kennedy and find out about Kennedy-Castro-Bush conspiracies.

How is any information restricted????
I don't believe in Google, so your information is obviously restricted!!!!! Because I said it was!!!!!! And I R right!!!!!! AND OMFGZ BUSH = EV!L :sniper::sniper::mp5:

Come to think of it, I don't really believe in this "Bush" character either. Interesting.

I don't believe in anything. Especially after someone tells me about it. Like this whole Internet thing, its just a big conspiracy to make me look at porn. In reality, I am just talking to a computer that will randomly deign whether to respond to me or not. If it says anything it will just be a randomly generated statement and/or a "Source Please".
Of course, I also don't believe in the computer, since that is just paranoid ramblings that I heard somewhere. I don't believe in computers at all, really. I mean, am I actually expected to believe that these so-called "pixels" exist only to prodduce various wave-lengths of "electromagnetic" radiation to provide me with the ability to type long winded epics on the orgies that the cast of Saved by the Bell had and then send that story to some "website" somewhere? And what about the language I'm "using"? Can anyone provide me with solid objective proof that the English language exists? What about communication, can you, without communicating, prove communication to me? No, you can't. So the very idea of communication relies on the communication existing.


I don't believe in Google, so your information is obviously restricted!!!!! Because I said it was!!!!!! And I R right!!!!!! AND OMFGZ BUSH = EV!L :sniper::sniper::mp5:

Come to think of it, I don't really believe in this "Bush" character either. Interesting.


Damn. For a figment of my imagination, you sure make a compelling argument.

However the best scientific evidence supports the idea that we are contributing to global warmingyes, and the best scientific evidence also supports the idea that human activity has no impact on global warming cooling cycles.

The quality of the evidence is irrelevant unless it considered to be possibly flawed, in which case it should be regarded with doubt. What you want instead to be able to say is "the totality of the scientific evidence". Relating global warming to human activity under this standard is however frought with problems, the totality of the scientific evidence is ambiguous.

Actually folks, the main target of this topic were people who picked the first option. You know, the people who believe in random bullshit but don't believe in scientific facts?
I mean, at least option 3 people are skeptical, which is good.
I'm mainly focusing on the fact that people have the audacity to believe creationism exists but not global warming *cough* 20 year curse... pleeeeeease *cough* when the former has absolutely zero evidence compared to the latter.

I think what Saipea meant is that the administration is trying to keep global warming out of public attention to justify their enviromental policies.

Just a guess.

Well then "restricts" is a very poor choice of words. Most educated Americans hold the ideal of Freedom of Information very dearly, and any insult against that is not something to be taken likely.

Its a very inflammatory use of diction.

I don't believe in creationism but I do believe in global warming

If so many people believe in global warming why the HELL isn't something being done about it?

If so many people believe in global warming why the HELL isn't something being done about it?

Sorry, but my glass can only hold so many ice cubes.

If so many people believe in global warming why the HELL isn't something being done about it?
Because that would involve getting off of their asses and putting forth some effort. The reason why everyone wants to "save the earth" is because the Earth is so goddamn big that they can just complain that other's aren't doing enough.
"Everyone wants to save the earth, but no one wants to help mom with the dishes", or something like that, after all.

Because that would involve getting off of their asses and putting forth some effort.

Wrong. You can't expect people to exact changes beyond their spheres of influence. Therefore, the reason why nothing is being done (in America; elsewhere plenty is being done) is because our brain damaged "President" is the only one with the power and influence (someone please kill him already) to do something about global and domestic issues... and it's obvious that he's too fucked up to care or do anything about it... All he cares about doing is stamping out authoritarian theocracies whilst creating his own.

Wrong. You can't expect people to exact changes beyond their spheres of influence. Therefore, the reason why nothing is being done (in America; elsewhere plenty is being done) is because our brain damaged "President" is the only one with the power and influence (someone please kill him already) to do something about global and domestic issues... and it's obvious that he's too fucked up to care or do anything about it... All he cares about doing is stamping out authoritarian theocracies whilst creating his own.

Hell, if he's in the camp of some the old Reaganites, he subscribes the the idea that the Rapture is coming, Armeggedon is right around the corner, so there's no need to protect the enviroment. There are those in this camp that acually believe that the process of turning the Earth into a polluted cesspool must be sped up, thereby making the Rapture arrive that much sooner.

Someone should point out to these religious crackpots that quasi-voodoo rituals ans sympathetic magic won't make their messiah punch the clock sooner.

There are those in this camp that acually believe that the process of turning the Earth into a polluted cesspool must be sped up, thereby making the Rapture arrive that much sooner.

That's so disgusting. Just beyond words. I'd be happy to send them all to the maker ahead of time.

Hell, if he's in the camp of some the old Reaganites, he subscribes the the idea that the Rapture is coming, Armeggedon is right around the corner, so there's no need to protect the enviroment.
I didn't realise that Reagan was such a fundamentalist. Or did he just use that as a false justification for right-wing economics, which is where his true faith lay?

I didn't realise that Reagan was such a fundamentalist. Or did he just use that as a false justification for right-wing economics, which is where his true faith lay?

Either way, it's inexcusable.

If so many people believe in global warming why the HELL isn't something being done about it?

there is,what do you thnik the kyoto agreement was about?

there is,what do you thnik the kyoto agreement was about?

About a mile over Bush's head. Heh. *sob*

I didn't realise that Reagan was such a fundamentalist. Or did he just use that as a false justification for right-wing economics, which is where his true faith lay?

I'm not sure if Reagan subscribed to it, but the guy he put in charge (James Watt) of enviromental affairs sure did.

"We will mine more, drill more, cut more timber."
--Secretary of the Interior James Watt

"A left-wing cult dedicated to bringing down the type of government I believe in."
--James Watt describing environmentalists

"I do not know how many future generations we can count of before the Lord returns."
--James Watt, February 5, 1981

My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.
-- James Watt, The Washington Post, may 24, 1981

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.
-- James Watt, (attributed: source unknown)

people dont doubt the globe is warming, it is why its warming they disagree on. some believe its a natural cycle that has been shown in history, others dont. Calling people ignorant because they dont believe what you believe is a very stupid way to argue a point and will make somebody not believe you reguardless, because nobody will agree with a prick.
agreed. thank you.

Wrong. You can't expect people to exact changes beyond their spheres of influence. Therefore, the reason why nothing is being done (in America; elsewhere plenty is being done) is because our brain damaged "President" is the only one with the power and influence (someone please kill him already) to do something about global and domestic issues... and it's obvious that he's too fucked up to care or do anything about it... All he cares about doing is stamping out authoritarian theocracies whilst creating his own.
Exactly my point, thank you for proving it so abley, my fairest lass (or lad or some combination or tree frog or whatever). People like to complain about other people destroying the Earth because they just don't have the capability to actually do anything about it. You get to have a warm and fuzzy feeling because you UNDERSTAND and no one else does.
After all do you: Use power from sources other than those that you can assure me are 100% ecofriendly? Do you ever buy products that have been prepared in a manner that isn't completely in line with every environmental fad you have ever lended your efforts to the support of? Do you have wood furniture? Do you drive a car?
People like to be Environmentalist because it lets them be compassionate and fret and bitch about what other people are doing, without requiring them to make any sacrifices they don't want to.
Not that I believe in any of this of course.