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Mammalian Regeneration?

Armacor
04-09-2005, 15:57
Possible for Humans or not?
Should we if we can?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1754008,00.html

'Miracle mouse' can grow back lost limbs
Jonathan Leake, Science Editor
SCIENTISTS have created a “miracle mouse” that can regenerate amputated limbs or badly damaged organs, making it able to recover from injuries that would kill or permanently disable normal animals.

The experimental animal is unique among mammals in its ability to regrow its heart, toes, joints and tail.

The researchers have also found that when cells from the test mouse are injected into ordinary mice, they too acquire the ability to regenerate.

The discoveries raise the prospect that humans could one day be given the ability to regenerate lost or damaged organs, opening up a new era in medicine.

Details of the research will be presented next week at a scientific conference on ageing, Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, at Cambridge University. Ellen Heber-Katz, professor of immunology at the Wistar Institute, an American biomedical research centre, says that the ability of mice at her laboratory to regenerate appears to be controlled by about a dozen genes.

She is still researching their exact functions, but it seems almost certain that humans have comparable genes.

“We have experimented with amputating or damaging several different organs, such as the heart, toes, tail and ears, and just watched them regrow,” she said. “It is quite remarkable. The only organ that did not grow back was the brain.

“When we injected foetal liver cells taken from those animals into ordinary mice, they too gained the power of regeneration. We found this persisted even six months after the injection.”

Heber-Katz made her discovery when she noticed that the identification holes that scientists punch in the ears of experimental mice healed without any signs of scarring.

The self-healing mice, from a strain known as MRL, were then subjected to a series of surgical procedures. In one the mice had their toes amputated — but the digits grew back, complete with joints.

In another test some of the tail was cut off but also regenerated. Then the researchers used a cryoprobe to freeze parts of the animals’ hearts, only to see these grow back again. A similar phenomenon was observed when the optic nerve was severed and the liver partially destroyed.

Heber-Katz will describe some of her findings at the Cambridge conference and plans to publish her results in a research paper. “We have found that the MRL mouse seems to have a higher rate of cell division,” she said. “Its cells live and die faster and get replaced faster. That seems to be linked to the ability to regenerate.”

The researchers suspect that the same genes could confer greater longevity and are measuring the animals’ survival rate. The mice are, however, only 18 months old and the normal lifespan is two years so it is too early to reach conclusions.

Scientists have long known that less complex creatures have an impressive ability to regenerate. Many fish and amphibians can regrow internal organs or even whole limbs.

Humans can regenerate their liver provided at least a quarter remains intact, as well as their blood and outer skin, but no other organs regrow.

This is probably because, although most mammalian cells start off with the potential to develop into any cell type, they soon become very specialised. This allows mammals to develop more complex brains and bodies but deprives them of the power of regeneration.

By contrast, if a newt loses a limb then cells around the injury revert back into so-called stem cells. These can develop into whatever types of cell are needed, including bone, skin or nerves.
Falhaar2
04-09-2005, 16:02
That's pretty awesome.
Sonaj
04-09-2005, 16:05
The thing that worries me is that they actually amputate limbs and damage organs on animals to see what happens. Disgusting.
Nadkor
04-09-2005, 16:06
The thing that worries me is that they actually amputate limbs and damage organs on animals to see what happens. Disgusting.
And you would rather they tested it on humans? :confused:
Sonaj
04-09-2005, 16:07
Well, that would make more sense, though I do not think it should be done at all.
Armacor
04-09-2005, 16:09
lab mice...

they are heavily modified on a genetic level anyway... the amputations are done under a general anesethetic (sp) and if it has a chance of elimating genetic disorders, cancer and other degenerative diseases, which would in turn extend human lifespans near indefinantly, then i dont care how many mice it takes we have to check it out.

Utilising it on humans is another matter, it would depend on the safety of the proceedure, for example does it mean there will be no way to fix certain eye diseases, juvinile (sp) diabetes and other related diseases that are caused by defects in the system...
Nadkor
04-09-2005, 16:12
Well, that would make more sense, though I do not think it should be done at all.
You would cut off human arms and legs in this experiment (you don't know if it will actually work, if you were 99% sure it would and just needed to be sure then it would be a different matter), when you could do it on a mouse that has been bred solely for the purpose?
Armacor
04-09-2005, 16:16
once they have proven the process on a couple of hundred lab mice, and moved up to rats, cats, dogs, pigs and monkeys they will eventally get to trial it on humans with terminal diseases. If it still works then you get to try it on Prisoners who have life in jail or the death penalty coming, and eventally get to trial on normal people...

call it a 20 year process...

also the only reason for any science group to have a press release, ever, is to say look how great we are, please give us some more money... (i have been in 2 so far... kinda fun but stressful as hell)...
Ekland
04-09-2005, 16:18
I love hearing about things like this. Really awesome stuff.
Sonaj
04-09-2005, 16:20
You would cut off human arms and legs in this experiment (you don't know if it will actually work, if you were 99% sure it would and just needed to be sure then it would be a different matter), when you could do it on a mouse that has been bred solely for the purpose?
That also strikes me as barbaric. We breed mice to cut off their bodyparts to see if they grow back, so we can use it for our own good.

Why should humans be treated special? We come up with an experiment, then we use another species, a completely innocent species, to test it until we think it´s safe for humans. Why should they suffer so that we can make life better for humans?

Do you also think that it was stupid for a white man to do any work during the time of slavery because the had slaves who had been born to do it for them?

I wish to point out that I in no way support the slavery.
Nadkor
04-09-2005, 16:23
That also strikes me as barbaric. We breed mice to cut off their bodyparts to see if they grow back, so we can use it for our own good.
Seems fair enough to me.
Armacor
04-09-2005, 16:24
well due to our lovely ethics laws we cant just test any old thing on humans any more...

No new treatment since the 1970's (in most of the world) has been used without first testing it on animals, on top of this most makeups, airosols, electronics and fabrics are tested on animals first...

(we have a dozen satalite dishes in a wildlife sanctuary in my city so they can be tested for signal strength after been gnawed on and shat on by a couple of dozen cockatoos, they make sure that the dishes still work, dont fry anyone, and dont cause EM damage to anyone... and the people running the park are fine with it...)
Sonaj
04-09-2005, 16:24
Seems fair enough to me.
Fine then, you have the right to think so.
Gun toting civilians
04-09-2005, 16:52
If there is any chance that this could be used to give people there limbs back after combat or industrial accidents, i say that it needs to be at least tested farther.