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Is the UK helping the USA in the hurricane relief as good allies they should. What do you think

I believe they are assisting us as is France, Canada, Australia, and various other nations.

Incidentally, why are we obliged to, the majority of the population no longer relish the company of the USA as an ally, and furthermore, subsequent to the 7/7 attacks, all american forces in UK airbases were interdicted from entering London to maintain order.

Incidentally, why are we obliged to, the majority of the population no longer relish the company of the USA as an ally, and furthermore, subsequent to the 7/7 attacks, all american forces in UK airbases were interdicted from entering London to maintain order.

Your not obligated and don't bring politics into this Chris. This goes way above politics. Those that help us will be remembered. Even France is offering Aide and they have been the biggest opponet to the US war effort.

That should tell you something.

Even Iran is offering aide and we butted heads with them. Cuba has offered aide as has Venezuela.

So why don't you put politics aside for a moment and think on this issue.

I find the whole situation rather odd.

I understand the destructive powers of a hurricane, and have seen the devastation that Hurricane Katrina has left in her wake.
However, what I find odd is that for more than a week, people in New Orleans have been starving to death, drinking contaminated water, etc.

And yet, the Americans themselves have failed to get the necessary aid through to their own people. This is not what I would expect from the richest country on Earth.

Anyway, aside from that, I'm not sure whether we are offering any aid: I'd be surprised if we weren't, but haven't heard that we are. I think the Americans do need aid, but also think that they are better equippped to deliver that aid themselves, unlike the nations of the Far East devastated by the Tsunami.

Whether the US has asked for aid I do not know, but expecting to receive some, I feel, is really rather selfish.

:eek: Don't shoot, it's just my opinion!

Your not obligated and don't bring politics into this Chris. This goes way above politics. Those that help us will be remembered. Even France is offering Aide and they have been the biggest opponet to the US war effort.

That should tell you something.

Even Iran is offering aide and we butted heads with them. Cuba has offered aide as has Venezuela.

So why don't you put politics aside for a moment and think on this issue.

We (the world) offered aid to Iran when that earthquake wiped out the south of the country, and we give aid to the US when a hurricane does something similar (abeit, with a much lower death toll). Natural disasters seem to bring people above political boundries.

The EU (which is currently being presided by the British) has already offered assistance.

The UN has offered itself to coordinate the rescue efforts.

Also, there are plenty of countries that have offered help.

This thread seems a little accusative and snotty. Of course we've offered aid. Did you not expect us to or something?

Oh Silence

Your not obligated and don't bring politics into this Chris. This goes way above politics. Those that help us will be remembered. Even France is offering Aide and they have been the biggest opponet to the US war effort.

That should tell you something.

Even Iran is offering aide and we butted heads with them. Cuba has offered aide as has Venezuela.

So why don't you put politics aside for a moment and think on this issue.

I agree we should be there, and am mystified as to why we aren't. However, an awful lot of charity organisations are subsidised by and based in Britain, and generally they act upon our behalf.

Is the UK helping the USA in the hurricane relief as good allies they should. What do you think
They offered help and were turned down.

what now seems to be obvious is that the goverment of the usa is not intrested in resquing the economicaly poor people which are still left dieing in the streets.

The offers of help wordwide can also bee seen as an international protest against this polcy

imho this situation is :mad:


(mad)

They offered help and were turned down.

Sweden was due to send an aid plane today, but the USA have turned it down, saying they can't handle accepting it now. Rather sad that the world's richest country can't organise this situation almost a week later... I really think they should urgently accept logistical planning assistance from Europe, e.g. the Dutch who have expert plans for this kind of flooding.



Svensk hjälp till USA inställd
Publicerad 4 september 2005 - 09:18
Den svenska hjälpsändning med utrustning för vattenrening som skulle ha skickats till det orkandrabbade New Orleans i USA i dag har ställts in.

-Genom UD har amerikanska myndigheter meddelat att de inte har möjlighet att ta emot några hjälpsändningar, säger Per Ström på Räddningsverket till TT.

Räddningsverket har fortsatt beredskap i väntan på nya besked. Resan kan bli av inom de närmaste dagarna.

-Jag vet att det finns vilja och behov att ta emot utrustningen men det handlar om logistik, säger Ström.

And yet, the Americans themselves have failed to get the necessary aid through to their own people. This is not what I would expect from the richest country on Earth.

Don't be surprised. Our administration has been rather...slow with the recovery. I'm NOT happy about it.

As for foreign aid. If they wish to help, so be it. Their aid is welcomed and appriciated. At least by me.

Incidentally, why are we obliged to, the majority of the population no longer relish the company of the USA as an ally, and furthermore, subsequent to the 7/7 attacks, all american forces in UK airbases were interdicted from entering London to maintain order.

Probably because there are people there suffering and dying and this isn't about politics. Even several of our enemies are helping because they realize that. I guess you don't though.

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Personally, I would be more than happy to accept aid from other countries, especially rescue workers, rebuilding teams, and such, experts in this type of construction.situation. Don't send the UN in, and no "peacekeepers" for the love of whatever you worship. Aid efforts are working now, and the cleanup of what's left of New Orleans is beginning....4 months until power is on, about another month for just water removal.
If other countries have offerred aid, I haven't heard it on our TV or radio, except for Canada and Venezuela. Chaves hates the US, so 99% this is a PR ploy. We'll see.

We (the world) offered aid to Iran when that earthquake wiped out the south of the country, and we give aid to the US when a hurricane does something similar (abeit, with a much lower death toll). Natural disasters seem to bring people above political boundries.

I agree with this 100% Monkeypimp.

They offered help and were turned down.

Incorrect. They were not turned down.

Aide hasn't been accepted or rejected as of yet but from my understanding, aide is starting to come in from the world now.

Canada has now sent down 3 warships with supplies as well as 1000 troops. So the aide is starting to be accepted.

Incorrect. They were not turned down.

They got accepted eventually? Last I heard Jack Straw was saying that they had offered help but were told it was ok.

They got accepted eventually? Last I heard Jack Straw was saying that they had offered help but were told it was ok.

According to a press conference two days ago, no aide has been turned down nor accepted.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/52478.htm

I have been looking at everything and I haven't seen anything in regards to aide getting turned down. If aide was turned down, it would be on the news and I haven't seen anything on ANY news sites.

Incidentally, why are we obliged to, the majority of the population no longer relish the company of the USA as an ally, and furthermore, subsequent to the 7/7 attacks, all american forces in UK airbases were interdicted from entering London to maintain order.

That's true, but politics should not be brought into this. It's the same reason that Bush should accept Venezuelan and Cuban help - as well as ours. Putting politics aside. Noone in the UK wants to to see Ordianry Americans die or suffer. (Although there is perhaps one exception ;)).

I have every confidence that the USA would help us too if something comparable happend to us. If that's not reason enough reason to help - what is?

According to a press conference two days ago, no aide has been turned down nor accepted.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/52478.htm

I have been looking at everything and I haven't seen anything in regards to aide getting turned down. If aide was turned down, it would be on the news and I haven't seen anything on ANY news sites.
I read on the BBC Jack Straw saying the UK had offered aid but had been told it wasn't needed at that time, or words to that effect.

I read on the BBC Jack Straw saying the UK had offered aid but had been told it wasn't needed at that time, or words to that effect.

It has to be coordinated first then we'll start bringing in the foreign aide.

As far as I know, Canada is sending down supplies even as we speak. Its going to take time for all the aide to get sorted out and then given to those that need it the most.

Besides, I haven't heard anything about it getting turned down except that there is a way to go about giving aide to us and if it goes outside of the proper channels (I know, there shouldn't be channels in times like this) then it probably was since sit didn't go through those channels.

Canada was turned down. We were going to help the people since the Americans were sitting back doing nothing. We were told to screw off.

Canada was turned down. We were going to help the people since the Americans were sitting back doing nothing. We were told to screw off.

Explain the warships with supplies then?

As far as I know, Canada is sending down supplies even as we speak. Its going to take time for all the aide to get sorted out and then given to those that need it the most.
A search and rescue team (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125629846148_165/?hub=Canada) has been there since Wednesday, and they were activated on Friday I believe. There were pictures posted of them helping out on the Yahoo site.

Here is a list of countries (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_world_offers) that have offered assistance:

Among the countries notifying the State Department on Saturday of their intention to contribute were Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Others joining the list were Argentina, Chile, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Nicaragua, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Poland, Romania and Tunisia.

By Friday, offers had been received from Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Belgium, Britain, Canada, China, Colombia, Cuba, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, France, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, the Philippines, Portugal, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates.

Offers of aid and assistance were at first declined while assessment of need was made. The State Department said Friday that aid would not be requested, but aid would be accepted. As of Friday, over 40 nations had offered aid and an agency had been formed to coordinate international efforts on our behalf.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02552447.htm


WASHINGTON, Sept 2 (Reuters) - The United States has not actively sought foreign aid following Hurricane Katrina but dozens of countries lined up on Friday to help with rescue efforts, from hefty cash donations to tents and helicopters.

The State Department said more than 40 governments and international organizations had made generous offers and the list was growing by the hour after Katrina devastated New Orleans and other parts of the U.S. Gulf Coast, killing hundreds and possibly thousands of people.

"We are not formally requesting assistance but anything that can materially benefit folks in need is something that we will accept," said a State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Countries were very generous after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States but officials said they could not remember this kind of outpouring of sympathy and aid for any other natural disaster on U.S. soil.

Singapore sent helicopters, Israel offered medical teams within 24 hours and European oil producers responded to a formal U.S. request to release gasoline stocks.

Help was not limited to allies and opponents of U.S. policy such as Cuba and Venezuela put aside their political differences to join the chorus of nations offering help.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send cheap fuel but the State Department said a decision had not been made on whether to accept this offer.

Poor nations that usually turn to the United States for assistance, such as Honduras, offered to become donors as did Sri Lanka and Indonesia, countries that benefited from U.S. assistance after last year's Indian Ocean tsunami.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice canceled her vacation and returned to work, where she spoke via telephone to her counterparts in more than a handful of foreign capitals.

Washington-based foreign embassies swamped the State Department with offers of help and several embassies planned charity fund-raisers to help those afflicted by the disaster.

The State Department, whose own passport office in New Orleans was closed by the hurricane, has activated a task force to handle offers of help and coordinate foreign assistance.

The department listed donors so far as: Australia, Austria, the Bahamas, Belgium, Canada, China, Columbia, Cuba, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, the European Union, France, Germany, Guatemala, Britain, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Lithuania, Mexico, NATO, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the Organization of American States, Paraguay, South Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Spain, Sri Lanka, Switzerland, Sweden, Venezuela and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

A search and rescue team (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125629846148_165/?hub=Canada) has been there since Wednesday, and they were activated on Friday I believe. There were pictures posted of them helping out on the Yahoo site.


That's right Canuck!! Canada was one of the first, if not the first, to deploy their own people, equipment, transports, and supplies to help. The US is hardly facing this disaster alone and we would do well to acknowledge that and remember it.

A search and rescue team (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125629846148_165/?hub=Canada) has been there since Wednesday, and they were activated on Friday I believe. There were pictures posted of them helping out on the Yahoo site.

Here is a list of countries (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_world_offers) that have offered assistance:

Among the countries notifying the State Department on Saturday of their intention to contribute were Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Others joining the list were Argentina, Chile, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Nicaragua, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Poland, Romania and Tunisia.

By Friday, offers had been received from Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Belgium, Britain, Canada, China, Colombia, Cuba, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, France, Germany, Greece, Georgia, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, the Philippines, Portugal, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates.

Thanks for confirming the search and Rescue team CanuckHeaven! It is much appreciated. :)

I am glad that we are able to put aside our differences for awhile to try and help those that need helping.

BTW: I gave money to the Red Cross to help with Katrina Relief. I am hoping that everyone will do the same. We need to help those that are in need.

Hey, I live in Galveston, Texas. We get these hurricanes almost every year, but we've been lucky for these last two years. Our family friends from New Orleans came here to live with us two saturdays ago, when they first heard of what was in the Gulf. They went back today, and they said their house is untouched and their power is on, thank God.

As far the relief effort at large is concerned, I'm honestly not surprised at the slow speed. I lived in New Orleans for a year, and I know how fucked up it is. People shooting at rescue choppers nad such, no surprise with the amount of cocaine and heroine users that city has. Anyways, that city had no plans for a disaster on that rediculously huge scale, and it cost them. The federal government is the only one doing what they can, the states hasn't even used their reserve troops yet, which is why the Feds had to use the reserves that just came back from Iraq. The whole situation is a massive mess. Any aid from overseas is greatly appreciated. (Well, except for Chavez, fuck that guy.)

Is the UK helping the USA in the hurricane relief as good allies they should. What do you think


if the boot was on the other foot so to speak i cannot see America helping the UK however we should be above such petty thoughts and help our "allies" when they are in need.

if the boot was on the other foot so to speak i cannot see America helping the UK however we should be above such petty thoughts and help our "allies" when they are in need.

Are you serious in what you said here? I can see us helping out the UK if the shoe was on the other foot. Heaven forbid such a thing occur to the mother country but if it did, we'll be there.

Are you serious in what you said here? I can see us helping out the UK if the shoe was on the other foot. Heaven forbid such a thing occur to the mother country but if it did, we'll be there.

I was being serious at this moment in time (i may be in somewhat of a defeatist mood at the moment) i can not see the U.S in helping the UK if roles were reversed.

I was being serious at this moment in time (i may be in somewhat of a defeatist mood at the moment) i can not see the U.S in helping the UK if roles were reversed.

Public sentiment for the UK is very favorable. Your average US citizen looks upon the UK as our greatest ally, most like our culture, and with the realization that the 2 countries will always be there for each other. I'm really confused as to why you would think otherwise.

Public sentiment for the UK is very favorable. Your average US citizen looks upon the UK as our greatest ally, most like our culture, and with the realization that the 2 countries will always be there for each other. I'm really confused as to why you would think otherwise.


Perhaps i dwell on the wrongs and see not the good.It seemed to me that the majority of U.S Citizens see us as both Inferior and unworthy of U.S Planitery presence.

Blackadder, see it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a normal and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? Ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....

See it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a nomral and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....


U.S Presence was not required in WW1 And Shotguns are against the Rules of engagement of 1915. As part of the lend leas Agreement it quite necesery indeed for your lending of materials and resources, Not that it matters I would sooner be speaking german right now than have to stand at the Sword beach cemetery and have to listen to the same tired refrane of "we saved yo ass!" A comment wich merely be-littles the sacrafices of many men and women.

Your not obligated and don't bring politics into this Chris. This goes way above politics. Those that help us will be remembered. Even France is offering Aide and they have been the biggest opponet to the US war effort.

That should tell you something.

Even Iran is offering aide and we butted heads with them. Cuba has offered aide as has Venezuela.

So why don't you put politics aside for a moment and think on this issue.
The answer as always is yes. Once again we help our good cousins.

I agree the UK is probably our greatest ally and I look up to them for then the states. I've visited there 3 times too its a very awesome place.

Anyone want a ration pack?

Well we're (UK) shipping half a million of em...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4212684.stm

(down the bottom)

However, just to confirm what another poster said earlier, Jack Straw did say aid offered to the U.S. was put on hold whilst the U.S. assessed the situation. However, it was not turned away, just postponed.

It was broadcast last Wednesday on the BBC news, but i can't find a web link for you.

U.S Presence was not required in WW1 And Shotguns are against the Rules of engagement of 1915. As part of the lend leas Agreement it quite necesery indeed for your lending of materials and resources, Not that it matters I would sooner be speaking german right now than have to stand at the Sword beach cemetery and have to listen to the same tired refrane of "we saved yo ass!" A comment wich merely be-littles the sacrafices of many men and women.

"we saved yo ass!" is not a common refrain here in the US. We do feel that our efforts and sacrifices are pushed aside as insignificant and worthless by some European countries, but not the UK. I don't know if a poll of US citizens has ever been conducted, but I would guess that the UK, Israel, Australia, and Canada would be high on the list, with the UK #1.

"we saved yo ass!" is not a common refrain here in the US. We do feel that our efforts and sacrifices are pushed aside as insignificant and worthless by some European countries, but not the UK. I don't know if a poll of US citizens has ever been conducted, but I would guess that the UK, Israel, Australia, and Canada would be high on the list, with the UK #1.

As a Citizen of Britain i am truly in debt to the sacrifices of many Americans of the second and fisrt world war, i merely ask myself if our own brave soldiers sacrifices are acknowledged across the pond

You say "We saved yo ass" as if to say that you belong to your country very patriotically. You didn't fight the war, so dont say "we".

I know you didnt mean to say that, but I hate it when people say we, when in reality they did fuck all.

That's true, but politics should not be brought into this. It's the same reason that Bush should accept Venezuelan and Cuban help - as well as ours. Putting politics aside. Noone in the UK wants to to see Ordianry Americans die or suffer. (Although there is perhaps one exception ;)).

I have every confidence that the USA would help us too if something comparable happend to us. If that's not reason enough reason to help - what is?

Quite true, I simply wanted to alert people to the fact.

im suprised the usa would need aid, but it seems they do

As a Citizen of Britain i am truly in debt to the sacrifices of many Americans of the second and fisrt world war, i merely ask myself if our own brave soldiers sacrifices are acknowledged across the pond
They are acknowledged by those who can comprehend it and respect it. Which is the only kind of people you want to acknowledge it anyway.

"We saved yo ass in WW2! And so did those Brits over there! Yeah! Hey there's a Brit right now! Come here man! C'mhere! Yeah! See? WE BOTH saved your asses in WW2 you damn Frenchie!!!!!!111"

...Meanwhile picture the scared Brit wide-eyed.

;) Just joking around. But yeah, it's definately acknowledged and respected here by those deserving to acknowledge and respect.

As a Citizen of Britain i am truly in debt to the sacrifices of many Americans of the second and fisrt world war, i merely ask myself if our own brave soldiers sacrifices are acknowledged across the pond

Don't be ridiculous, according to Hollywood, any action of worth in the world wars was perpatrated by the USA, we and France simply tagged along to observe affairs.

Anyone want a ration pack?

Well we're (UK) shipping half a million of em...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4212684.stm

(down the bottom)

However, just to confirm what another poster said earlier, Jack Straw did say aid offered to the U.S. was put on hold whilst the U.S. assessed the situation. However, it was not turned away, just postponed.

It was broadcast last Wednesday on the BBC news, but i can't find a web link for you.

Many are characterizing the US's attempts to assess needs before accepting aid as refusing it. The area wiped out by the hurricane and the floods is larger than Great Britain. The international community keeps hearing about New Orleans in the news as that is the area of densest population and offers the most horrendous video images. But, the Mississippi gulf coast was hit the hardest by the hurricane. Whole towns are gone and their death tolls are reaching into the hundreds. Luckily, Mississippi's management of the crisis has been much more efficient than what has been seen in Louisiana. A lot of people are also overlooking that your stereotypical swamp dwelling Cajuns are probably in as bad a situation as the New Orleans.

Don't be ridiculous, according to Hollywood, any action of worth in the world wars was perpatrated by the USA, we and France simply tagged along to observe affairs.
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It's quite common knowledge that Hollywood is not reality. And anyone that think so in this country is asked to slap themself silly.

Don't be ridiculous, according to Hollywood, any action of worth in the world wars was perpatrated by the USA, we and France simply tagged along to observe affairs.


probably why my favorite war film is damb busters or a bridge too far..

Blackadder, see it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a normal and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? Ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....

although im loathe to start this discussion, world war two was won by the soviet union at the battle of stalingrad

I would just like to speak up for the UK here: we are one of the 'oil producing european countries' that is releasing some of our own strategic oil reserves to help America.

although im loathe to start this discussion, world war two was won by the soviet union at the battle of stalingrad

So the entire war was won in one battle? Somebody needs to re-take history.....

Blackadder, see it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a normal and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? Ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....

I can assure the gentleman that we do not aid them in Iraq and Afghanistan of our own volition, however, entirely true, we are somewhat in your debt, I simply wish that every average "joe" would not alert us to this at every juncture.

As a Citizen of Britain i am truly in debt to the sacrifices of many Americans of the second and fisrt world war, i merely ask myself if our own brave soldiers sacrifices are acknowledged across the pond

Of course they are. Our news reports highlight our allies' sacrifices and losses as well as our own. When people talk about the soldiers who are in harm's way they are almost always referred to as "our's and Great Britain's brave soldiers". Over here it's almost as if we are one people...it's just that you guys talk kinda funny. :p

Blackadder, see it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a normal and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? Ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....

oh and another crack in your argument its Britain! England has not been seperate for 400 years apart from in sporting terms :rolleyes:

Of course they are. Our news reports highlight our allies' sacrifices and losses as well as our own. When people talk about the soldiers who are in harm's way they are almost always referred to as "our's and Great Britain's brave soldiers". Over here it's almost as if we are one people...it's just that you guys talk kinda funny. :p

:p my dear colonial freind it is your own language which is not the kings english

oh and another crack in your argument its Britain! England has not been seperate for 400 years apart from in sporting terms :rolleyes:

It has indeed, and frankly, the Scottish do most of the fighting, we simply direct them in the right direction :D

Can we stop attacking the US just at the moment, if you'd be so kind?

It has indeed, and frankly, the Scottish do most of the fighting, we simply direct them in the right direction :D
:p good old scots

:p my dear colonial freind it is your own language which is not the kings english

I wholeheartedly concur with the dear fellow, it is our revolutionary cousins who so contravene the fine art that would be the english language. :D Still, I prefer them to the Germans.

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It's quite common knowledge that Hollywood is not reality. And anyone that think so in this country is asked to slap themself silly.

Indeed,however the point simply had to be made. We are eternally in your debt for our liberty, and you have my gratitude.

I wholeheartedly concur with the dear fellow, it is our revolutionary cousins who so contravene the fine art that would be the english language. :D Still, I prefer them to the Germans.

And i even prefer harry-hun and the Bosh to the japanese

oh and another crack in your argument its Britain! England has not been seperate for 400 years apart from in sporting terms :rolleyes:
It's not Britain either. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

And i even prefer harry-hun and the Bosh to the japanese

True, Fritz has a sense of humour.

It's not Britain either. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

No Its the british Isles, Britain comprises Northern ireland, Scotland,England and whales.It is only recently it has had to adopt the label of UK for PC reasons.

True, Fritz has a sense of humour.

no..jerry has no sense of humor..its just Japan had a sick sense of humor.

no..jerry has no sense of humor..its just Japan had a sick sense of humor.

Granted, their paragon of comedy is Takeshi's castle.

im suprised the usa would need aid, but it seems they do

In most cases, the US is equipped to handle most emergencies. But when you have something happen as massively destructive as Katrina or the 9/11 attacks, I don't think any country is big enough, rich enough, or equipped to handle it on their own, at least not in a timely manner. If you take into consideration just New Orleans and its surrounding areas...the floods waters are carrying biological and chemical pollutants. That water isn't going to be pumped out of there for weeks, maybe months. I don't see how the structures standing in this mess can ever be salvaged. Most of the city is going to have to be leveled. Is the soil going to be too toxic to permit humans to build on it any time in the forseeable future? I doubt if much more damage could have been done if a nuclear bomb had gone off in the gulf.

Edit: I have been watching news video of rescue workers begging people to leave their homes. Some are refusing. With the chemical and biological pollutant content in the flood waters, what kind of diseases are going to start spreading and what of possible future genetic damage?

you people.....

"The US is the richest country on Earth..."

bullshit :mp5:

have you ppl seen our deficit, our budget, our loans, our DEBT

:rolleyes:

whatever

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!

QPR!!! (I don't think anyone will get that...)

ENG-LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

you people.....

"The US is the richest country on Earth..."

bullshit :mp5:

have you ppl seen our deficit, our budget, our loans, our DEBT

:rolleyes:

whatever

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!

QPR!!! (I don't think anyone will get that...)

ENG-LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p


....... :confused:

!!!

QPR!!! (I don't think anyone will get that...)

ENG-LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p


Queens park rangers?

To remember that whatever country a person lives in, whatever their politics are.. they're people who feel hunger, who love, who bleed, who post irrationally...

The US is nothing but a group of such people, just like anyother.

UK "people" help, or try to in whichever way they can.. normally in a simple donation... though many of them might wishthis had an effecton US policy.

Politics is never removed, little in human experience surpasses politics, and certainly not a major natural disaster. Politics is the realm of human interaction, of belief systems, wants and wills, nothing goes beyond this, everything is touched by this.

Some people have expressed surprise at the response of the US. Fact is the administration is human and thus incompetent. Even were there one world government, rich as you might like.. the "response" couldn't of been much quicker than it has been. The importantthing imo, is the will to respond. As Jesse Jackson and others have touched on.. though it seems to me they are being abit overzealous.. and attributing the results of incompetence to a lack of will.

Like to see the Rt Rev call on God to save the people of NO.

Anyways, hf guys

Queens park rangers?

..he is hardly likely to type " ENG-LAND" in a celebaratory maner for a scotish football team

although im loathe to start this discussion, world war two was won by the soviet union at the battle of stalingrad

That doesn't explain the Pacific theater. I can probably grant you that in regards to Europe but I can also say that Britain won world war two at the Battle of Britain.

..he is hardly likely to type " ENG-LAND" in a celebaratory maner for a scotish football team

He hinted he is american....

That doesn't explain the Pacific theater. I can probably grant you that in regards to Europe but I can also say that Britain won world war two at the Battle of Britain.

Just to add, the germans lost the war at kursk, NOT starlingrad, they still could of won after starlingrad, but after kursk, they had lost.

He hinted he is american....

granted he may not know the difference

:p my dear colonial freind it is your own language which is not the kings english

Course not...it's American English...Americanish? Are your doubts as to the US opinion of the UK based on posts you've seen here, or is it an overall consensus?

That doesn't explain the Pacific theater. I can probably grant you that in regards to Europe but I can also say that Britain won world war two at the Battle of Britain.

Or Many other battles for that matter. True the B.O.B crippled the Luftwafe preventing German superiority for some time (time enough for more preduction of spitfires hurricanes and for Allies such as America to enter the war.)

Or Many other battles for that matter. True the B.O.B crippled the Luftwafe preventing German superiority for some time (time enough for more preduction of spitfires hurricanes and for Allies such as America to enter the war.)


Or the battles between britain and japan in thailand, singapore, hong kong, china, indonesia, bangladesh etc. Everyone forgets that front.

Course not...it's American English...Americanish? Are your doubts as to the US opinion of the UK based on posts you've seen here, or is it an overall consensus?

IT would just be American then....

My veiws are based on Americans on this forum,American Media,Non-American media,American Culture and Americans i have met in person.

Or the battles between britain and japan in thailand, singapore, hong kong, china, indonesia, bangladesh etc. Everyone forgets that front.

My great uncle harry was killed in that theatre..
I dont foget the war in the east.

My great uncle harry was killed in that theatre..
I dont foget the war in the east.

Im sorry to hear that, but that front was vital, we tied up HUGE japanese armys, as did the chinese, which made the american advance thought the pacific possible, that and we protected our colonys in india etc.

Im sorry to hear that, but that front was vital, we tied up HUGE japanese armys, as did the chinese, which made the american advance thought the pacific possible, that and we protected our colonys in india etc.

Yes and how do they repay us? Beating us at cricket thats how!

I don't dislike America. I just find this thread insulting. I don't understand why it was created. Why didnt the creator answer his own question and find out? I don't think its very fair to have a thread interrogating Britain about the contribution it has made. Its rather unfair and insensitive.

It is only recently it has had to adopt the label of UK for PC reasons.

:confused:

I thought it was for reason of brevity.

:confused:

I thought it was for reason of brevity.


>.> <.< .....meh...

Blackadder? Why is it that youre so very hostile to Americans? Your comments seem more than unfair. Surely you can't sensibly hold a biased view like that over a country with the diversity of the USA. Surely if the Americans on this forum tell you anything, Its that most don't fit into any one group together. Like all people, they are a vibrant mix of different ideas and identities. It seems a little unkind to place them all in the same negative category.

Blackadder? Why is it that youre so very hostile to Americans? Your comments seem more than unfair. Surely you can't sensibly hold a biased view like that over a country with the diversity of the USA. Surely if the Americans on this forum tell you anything, Its that most don't fit into any one group together. Like all people, they are a vibrant mix of different ideas and identities. It seems a little unkind to place them all in the same negative category.

..please beleive me when i say this but..i dont...set out to be hostile to All Americans..in fact i try not to be some Americans on this Forum I hold in very high regard (Corneliu, Ocean drive). I Suppose if I Read a Insulting post from an American it makes me Angry and i ur...post..Agressively...i'm sorry..

although im loathe to start this discussion, world war two was won by the soviet union at the battle of stalingrad

However, I would have rather seen Nazi Germany endure than the USSR, since a post-war Nazi administration would have been sufficiently weakened to be compelled to co-exist in Europe.

..please beleive me when i say this but..i dont...set out to be hostile to All Americans..in fact i try not to be some Americans on this Forum I hold in very high regard (Corneliu, Ocean drive). I Suppose if I Read a Insulting post from an American it makes me Angry and i ur...post..Agressively...i'm sorry..

No Its fine. I just wondered. I usually agree with you on everything else. I just read your "Eurotrash" thread and thought Id ask.

No Its fine. I just wondered. I usually agree with you on everything else. I just read your "Eurotrash" thread and thought Id ask.


...yes..on close reflection i am veiwing that thread as ...shall we say...not one of my best.....i was just somewhat anoyed at the time and went off half-cocked and and so forth...so..um...i think i shall withdraw that..um..statement

...yes..on close reflection i am veiwing that thread as ...shall we say...not one of my best.....i was just somewhat anoyed at the time and went off half-cocked and and so forth...so..um...i think i shall withdraw that..um..statement

Wasn't intending to comment myself, but nice arguments all the same :)

Although it may be a bit late for this, but aid is not about political point-scoring, and has nothing to do with the first or second world war. We don't count up favours or decide which countries owe what. That is ridiculous.

But for the record, the USSR, France, Britain, the USA and their allies (Can't name them all!) were all of great importance in WW2. Without one, the rest would have fallen. The war was too complex - beyond who fought, but supplies of food and information, defeats at the right time and surrounding the enemy.

However, Britain should not, and is not, sending aid because we must, or owe it. If we did, it would cease to be aid. We are not lap-dogs who do what we are told. We care about America, as one of our oldest allies, and dare I say it, friends. I have not been there myself, being only 16, but I am told Americans are good people, and not the patronising stereotype. And if anyone is hit by a natural disaster on that scale, we should help first, and give constructive political criticism later.

Although it may be a bit late for this, but aid is not about political point-scoring, and has nothing to do with the first or second world war. We don't count up favours or decide which countries owe what. That is ridiculous.

But for the record, the USSR, France, Britain, the USA and their allies (Can't name them all!) were all of great importance in WW2. Without one, the rest would have fallen. The war was too complex - beyond who fought, but supplies of food and information, defeats at the right time and surrounding the enemy.

However, Britain should not, and is not, sending aid because we must, or owe it. If we did, it would cease to be aid. We are not lap-dogs who do what we are told. We care about America, as one of our oldest allies, and dare I say it, friends. I have not been there myself, being only 16, but I am told Americans are good people, and not the patronising stereotype. And if anyone is hit by a natural disaster on that scale, we should help first, and give constructive political criticism later.



i wouldnt say one of our oldest..only 100 years...compare that with say....cameroon :p

Although it may be a bit late for this, but aid is not about political point-scoring, and has nothing to do with the first or second world war. We don't count up favours or decide which countries owe what. That is ridiculous.

But for the record, the USSR, France, Britain, the USA and their allies (Can't name them all!) were all of great importance in WW2. Without one, the rest would have fallen. The war was too complex - beyond who fought, but supplies of food and information, defeats at the right time and surrounding the enemy.

However, Britain should not, and is not, sending aid because we must, or owe it. If we did, it would cease to be aid. We are not lap-dogs who do what we are told. We care about America, as one of our oldest allies, and dare I say it, friends. I have not been there myself, being only 16, but I am told Americans are good people, and not the patronising stereotype. And if anyone is hit by a natural disaster on that scale, we should help first, and give constructive political criticism later.

We;re sending 500,000 rte meals (ready to eat) what is all the fuss about? what more does america want?!!

i wouldnt say one of our oldest..only 100 years...compare that with say....cameroon :p

we were allies with germany for well over 200 years before ww1. (waterloo etc)

If you pray, please pray. If you send good vibes, send them, please. The situation is dire there. I'm in Florida and the devastation from Katrina is worse than all 4 from last year put together.

It's gonna still take time...and 2morrow morning's a week, to get all the victims food and water. The state of the animals is even more desperate if you can possibly imagine it.

Yes, I am also furious that it was 5 DAYS b4 the National Guard got deployed. Could it be because so many are in Iraq and Afghanistan? You betcha...but I'd be shouted down roundly if I posted this in the U.S. Will I stay furious at my own govt.? You betcha on that, too.

So pleeze pleeze give freely of your prayers and vibes to those who are still trying to survive this and find their lost loved ones, as well. I thank you all on their behalf.

Hugs from Notnormal

we were allies with germany for well over 200 years before ww1. (waterloo etc)

In essence, indeed, however prior to 1871 Germany was a vague conglomeration of individual principalities, of whom Prussia was pre-eminent. Unification was only procured in 1871 through the diplomatic puissance of Otto von Bismark, who cede the throne to Kaiser Wilhelm I.

Yes, I am also furious that it was 5 DAYS b4 the National Guard got deployed. Could it be because so many are in Iraq and Afghanistan? You betcha...but I'd be shouted down roundly if I posted this in the U.S. Will I stay furious at my own govt.? You betcha on that, too.

Your going to get shouted down now since it was only 35% of LA guard forces were in Iraq/Afghanistan. That leaves around 65% still in the friggin state. Sorry boyo but your statement is false in regards to the national guard.

..please beleive me when i say this but..i dont...set out to be hostile to All Americans..in fact i try not to be some Americans on this Forum I hold in very high regard (Corneliu, Ocean drive). I Suppose if I Read a Insulting post from an American it makes me Angry and i ur...post..Agressively...i'm sorry..

Here in the states we do that so often we have a special term for it...."letting our ass overload our brain". Maybe you just process what US media and some of her people say with a European view, and not the way it is intended. You have to admit, when it comes to unique cultures, the US is hard for most other people to understand. What we take as "normal" leaves swirling confusion in others.

Blackadder, see it - we already did twice this century. Or did you forget the 1st and 2nd World Wars? Why would we stop now? You guys are with us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and some other unpleasant places around the world, so returning assistance to you would be a normal and natural thing to do. Remember when England begged for rifles and shotguns when invasion seemed immimant during WWII? Ordinary Americans scraped up thousands, and sent them over, 99% never to be seen again. We'd do it again, if you were threatend again. We've had our "little differances", (1776, 1812), but when outside things threaten, we tend to get together....

Yes because that is why you joined the world wars isnt it, to help us.

You joined both of the wars because you were hurt, you didnt join to protect us or help us but you joined because you were hurt. Whilst we went into Iraq and Afganistan to help you, we wernt directly hurt, we wnt in because you were and it was to offer you support in the War on Terror.

If you pray, please pray. If you send good vibes, send them, please. The situation is dire there. I'm in Florida and the devastation from Katrina is worse than all 4 from last year put together.

It's gonna still take time...and 2morrow morning's a week, to get all the victims food and water. The state of the animals is even more desperate if you can possibly imagine it.

Yes, I am also furious that it was 5 DAYS b4 the National Guard got deployed. Could it be because so many are in Iraq and Afghanistan? You betcha...but I'd be shouted down roundly if I posted this in the U.S. Will I stay furious at my own govt.? You betcha on that, too.

So pleeze pleeze give freely of your prayers and vibes to those who are still trying to survive this and find their lost loved ones, as well. I thank you all on their behalf.

Hugs from Notnormal

Central Florida had damage requiring national guard? I wasn't aware of that. If you're referring to Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, the guard was deployed immediately after the storm passed. The guard wasn't stationed in the path of the storm as then part of it would have become victims, themselves. Following the storm, though, they were moved in as quickly as possible. Considering the amount of damage this was not a quick operation. Many of them had to be transported over ground for over 150 miles...and some of that had to be done on foot due to lack of usable roads. As if Thursday there were almost 30,000 guard members in New Orleans area alone.

:p my dear colonial freind it is your own language which is not the kings english

Queens English, Queeny is the monarch now so its Queens English.

Yes because that is why you joined the world wars isnt it, to help us.

You joined both of the wars because you were hurt, you didnt join to protect us or help us but you joined because you were hurt. Whilst we went into Iraq and Afganistan to help you, we wernt directly hurt, we wnt in because you were and it was to offer you support in the War on Terror.

Explain lend-lease. That wasn't because we were hurt! We signed that long before pearl Harbor happened.

Learn alittle history would you?

Has anyone else noticed the rash of new nations (puppets?) posting on threads concerning Katrina and the US?

Explain lend-lease. That wasn't because we were hurt! We signed that long before pearl Harbor happened.

Learn alittle history would you?

What do you mean you signed it long before, Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, The US declared War against Japan, Germany and Italy declared War against the US because they hoped japan would support him in his attack on the soviat Union, then America declared war against Italy and Germany. After Pearl Harbour is when America joined the War in the Pacific and in Europe.

What do you mean you signed it long before, Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, The US declared War against Japan, Germany and Italy declared War against the US because they hoped japan would support him in his attack on the soviat Union, then America declared war against Italy and Germany. After Pearl Harbour is when America joined the War in the Pacific and in Europe.

Nice job of not knowing your history. Lend-Lease was signed to Britain and the USSR prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The Lend Lease Act was a violation of the US Neutrality Laws that we had and was technically and act of war against the Germans and the Italians!

Nice job of not knowing your history. Lend-Lease was signed to Britain and the USSR prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The Lend Lease Act was a violation of the US Neutrality Laws that we had and was technically and act of war against the Germans and the Italians!

It might of been technically an act of war, but it wasnt an actual act of war as the US had to give an Act of War after Mussolini and Hitler declared war on the US. Technicaly isnt an act of war.

Here is a site which shows when America declared war against Italy and Germany: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm) this is when it happened after pearl harbour

In essence, indeed, however prior to 1871 Germany was a vague conglomeration of individual principalities, of whom Prussia was pre-eminent. Unification was only procured in 1871 through the diplomatic puissance of Otto von Bismark, who cede the throne to Kaiser Wilhelm I.

The first reich was called the holy roman empire, under fredrich barboriossa, i agree with you but germany had been a nation before 1871.

It might of been technically an act of war, but it wasnt an actual act of war as the US had to give an Act of War after Mussolini and Hitler declared war on the US. Technicaly isnt an act of war.

Here is a site which shows when America declared war against Italy and Germany: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm) this is when it happened after pearl harbour

Well, untill 1941, germany got pissed because british conveys were being escorted by american warships, without landlease, britian woudent of been able to resist invasion (though, the germans coudetn invade untill 1943 anyway, even if they won BOB) It was an act of war.

It might of been technically an act of war, but it wasnt an actual act of war as the US had to give an Act of War after Mussolini and Hitler declared war on the US. Technicaly isnt an act of war.

Actually violating Neutrality laws is an act of war if you support one of the billegerant sides over the other. Hitler could've declared war on us then if he wanted too but he didn't.

As for the US declaring war, we didnt' declare war till after Hitler and Itally did 4 days or so AFTER Pearl Harbor. However, we were already supporting the allied powers prior to December 7, 1941.

The first reich was called the holy roman empire, under fredrich barboriossa, i agree with you but germany had been a nation before 1871.
Germany didnt formally become a nation until 1871 but people thought of themselves as Germans before.

Germany didnt formally become a nation until 1871 but people thought of themselves as Germans before.

Holy roman empire was a nation. It was germany in the medieval ages. It was the 1st reich.

Actually violating Neutrality laws is an act of war if you support one of the billegerant sides over the other. Hitler could've declared war on us then if he wanted too but he didn't.

As for the US declaring war, we didnt' declare war till after Hitler and Itally did 4 days or so AFTER Pearl Harbor. However, we were already supporting the allied powers prior to December 7, 1941.

Declaring war is when you join a war and you declared war after you were hurt which is what i was saying in my first post.

Holy roman empire was a nation. It was germany in the medieval ages. It was the 1st reich.

Yeh your right sorry.

It became the german empire after 1871.

Yeh your right sorry.

It became the german empire after 1871.

Thats allright, it was also the first western nation to ban slavery! ah 1871, the year the germans become back, and the year they beat the french in a war :D

Declaring war is when you join a war and you declared war after you were hurt which is what i was saying in my first post.

We enterd the war prior to 1941 which is what I've been saying. A declaration of war is military support but we were helping with war materials and economics prior to 1941. This support was a violation of international law.

Thats allright, it was also the first western nation to ban slavery! ah 1871, the year the germans become back, and the year they beat the french in a war :D

Good 'ol Germans :D

UK Government no Uk's various Organizations yes

We enterd the war prior to 1941 which is what I've been saying. A declaration of war is military support but we were helping with war materials and economics prior to 1941. This support was a violation of international law.

Yeh thats wat ive been saying you dont enter a war until you are hurt yourself.

You were hurt at pearl harbour so you joined the war, Germany sunk some of your boats so you joined the great war. It is only when you are hurt that you help us

Good 'ol Germans :D



so your saying taking jewish citizens in the 1940's forcing to do work with literally a gun to their head living in unsanitary enviroments and thousands being slaughtered isn't slavery??????????? or if it isnt isn't it worse????
and yes 1871 was before 1940's

although i do hate frenchies...stupid croussaunts(i know spelling is wrong)

Iraq, Afganistan New Orleans.

I reckon you Americans should be grateful and maybe give us a colony back.

Not all of them just one you don't really want like New Jersey

although i do hate frenchies...stupid croussaunts(i know spelling is wrong)

Pray tell me why?

Why didnt people head the warning to leave the danger zone in the first place?

Politics would always going to be a problem here, as bush took a while to respond to the incident.

I read in the Observer today that the UK is sending 75,000 barrels of refined petroleum products to the US, under the IEA deal to replace lost refinery output.

That's £6m of lost tax revenue. So you can be assured the UK is doing something. :)

Iraq, Afganistan New Orleans.

I reckon you Americans should be grateful and maybe give us a colony back.

Not all of them just one you don't really want like New Jersey


Ok that makes allot of sense :confused:

I like to call it a joke but you don't appear to reckonise it

This is a bloody stupid thread. Anyone with any inkling of intelligence could have found out the question it asks by either watching some form of television channel or going on British government websites. Its accusatory and rude. Of course we bloody offered. Now get off our backs. It is a joke that countries like Afghanistan should be giving money to help America when their own nations are in such a mess. Its truly ridiculous. America had the resources to sort this out itself, had it done the job properly. It seems a little snide for some in this thread to then jump at us following our kind offers of assistance. The Royal Navy has helped. We have sent thousands of meals. Is this not enough to show how much we admire and respect you?

I'm not going to comment on the British or any other foriegn governments because the entire arguement is irrelevant. But to those who have written things to the effect that the situation could have been handled smoothly or that the US government or the US has turned it's back on New Orleans, you don't understand the situation. Every airport of any size in the area was damaged, the only large ports in the area(New Orleans being the only major port) are in ruins, many roads, bridges and railways are flooded or unsafe, military bases could transport supplies and evacuees exept an Airforce base and two Naval bases are devastated. So how do you propose to move the amounts of supplies and numbers of people needed?