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Women are already allowed to play in the PGA, so should men be allowed to play in the LPGA?

Women are already allowed to play in the PGA, so should men be allowed to play in the LPGA?

PGA? LPGA? :confused:

PGA? LPGA? :confused:


Pro Golf Association

Ladies Pro Golf Association.

and ultimately......who cares?

PGA? LPGA? :confused:

Profesional Golf Association, Ladies Professional Golf Association...

And as for the original question, I don't think so...

Women should be allowed to play in the PGA, because that was not set up specifically for men... It is simply a Pro Golf league that has happened to be a Gentlemen's club because of tradition... Excluding women from it is discrimination...

However, the LPGA was specifically set up to be a Ladies Golf league... It's founding purpose is to be a women's league (mostly as a way for women who were kept out of the PGA to have a league to play in)... Thus, keeping men out of it is not discrimination (well, it is, but it's not discrimination without reason)...

The ideal solution would be to remove the LPGA, and lump them all into the same league...

But, as it stands, the PGA should be open to all, and the LPGA should remain female-only...

Profesional Golf Association, Ladies Professional Golf Association...

And as for the original question, I don't think so...

Women should be allowed to play in the PGA, because that was not set up specifically for men... It is simply a Pro Golf league that has happened to be a Gentlemen's club because of tradition... Excluding women from it is discrimination...

However, the LPGA was specifically set up to be a Ladies Golf league... It's founding purpose is to be a women's league (mostly as a way for women who were kept out of the PGA to have a league to play in)... Thus, keeping men out of it is not discrimination (well, it is, but it's not discrimination without reason)...

The ideal solution would be to remove the LPGA, and lump them all into the same league...

But, as it stands, the PGA should be open to all, and the LPGA should remain female-only...



/agreed

*golf clap*

Pro Golf Association

Ladies Pro Golf Association.

and ultimately......who cares?

Thanks. :)

I'm not really a golf fan so I'm inclined to agree with you.

People who are upset about this stuff are retards. It's the "ladies PGA" because generally women are not as good at golf. Everyone knows that. If a woman gets good enough that she can compete with men, then she can go to the regular PGA. If you care that much, start the MPGA.

When I think about all the threads that can be done...

Certainly not, except in the US where for the sake of legality they would (as opposed to should) have to be allowed to play in LPGA tournaments. Groups such as the LPGA have only limited right in the US to set their own rules of access, and as an LPGA tournament would be a public event they do not have the legal right to restrict access. But I disagree with the law on this point point and think they SHOULD be able to restrict access to women.

What only 2 choices?

How about a "Who cares?!!!" a rat's ares about such a useless waste
of land, airwaves (does anybody serious actually watch golf on tv? how utterly drool boring), and metal (golf clubs) that could be melted down and
used for something usefull like hospital beds.

Gawd! And I thought baseball was a terrible spectator sport.
Well, they all are.
I take it back. Golf. Just don't be a spectator.

have you ever considered that the reason the LPGA came into existence was because woment couldnt play in the PGA, and therefore at the point when women and men play simultaneously all the time it should cease to exist.

i thought that was a complete no brainer

yes men should be allowed to play in the lpga


as long as they are required to wear little white skirts on the golf course.

have you ever considered that the reason the LPGA came into existence was because woment couldnt play in the PGA, and therefore at the point when women and men play simultaneously all the time it should cease to exist.

i thought that was a complete no brainerBut that's not the reason the LPGA came into existance. The LPGA came into existance as a marketing tool for some sports company (I forget which one) to expand their customer base by getting more women interested in golf.

regardless of how it came into existance the lpga has a legitimate reason to exist.

the physical differences between men and women means that if ONLY the pga existed there would be no female professional golfers.

the lpga allows women to compete with each other in golf for money. to allow men in would mean that the lpga would have no women in it. it would cease to exist since no one wants to watch 2nd rate men compete with each other for money (since the 1st rate men compete for the big money in the pga)

Profesional Golf Association, Ladies Professional Golf Association...

And as for the original question, I don't think so...

Women should be allowed to play in the PGA, because that was not set up specifically for men... It is simply a Pro Golf league that has happened to be a Gentlemen's club because of tradition... Excluding women from it is discrimination...

However, the LPGA was specifically set up to be a Ladies Golf league... It's founding purpose is to be a women's league (mostly as a way for women who were kept out of the PGA to have a league to play in)... Thus, keeping men out of it is not discrimination (well, it is, but it's not discrimination without reason)...


So you would have no issue with a Mens PGA? That specifically refused entrance to women?

(This is a variation on the "Wom*ns" room at uni, must have a womens room, and allow female only clubs, and gym days, and pub days - but no chance in hell of having a Male only equivilent...)

Sorry - i have issues with this especially since Thursday nights (student night everywhere else in the city) has been made female only at the student bar on campus...

Oh yes - we asked about the possibility of having a male only night, just to see what they said, and were flat out refused on the grounds of being sexist...

the clues are in the names:

PGA - Professional Golf Association.

LPGA: Ladies Professional Golf Association.

the first is non gender specific, so it makes sense that both men and women can compete. The second is gender specific, so only women can compete. simple.

the clues are in the names:

PGA - Professional Golf Association.

LPGA: Ladies Professional Golf Association.

the first is non gender specific, so it makes sense that both men and women can compete. The second is gender specific, so only women can compete. simple.
So let's make a GPGA, Guy's Pro Golf Association.

I agree that the ideal solution would be to join them together. Even better would be if the golf courses are mined, then I'd watch in on TV.

I agree that the ideal solution would be to join them together.

Same here.

Even better would be if the golf courses are mined, then I'd watch in on TV.

Nah, but what if you had to play it where it lands? Even if it falls down a cliff or into the ocean?

proper mines (err 2-3 per sq meter), or just a couple, say 5, per fairway? it would be more interesting if you had no idea when one might explode... :-)

Let's see...

-If women start an organization that's only open to women, that's allowed. If men start an organization that's only open to men... there's hell to pay.

-If blacks/native americans/random non-white minority groups start an organization that only they can join, chances are nobody will bat an eye at it. If whites do that, it's discrimination, racism, evil.

-If gay people open a group only to gays, that should be allowed. If heterosexuals start a group where gays are not welcome... better call your lawyers.

Anybody see a pattern developing here?

Let's see...

-If women start an organization that's only open to women, that's allowed. If men start an organization that's only open to men... there's hell to pay. The thing is the PGA is not open only to men. For that matter neither is Agusta, but that's a seperate issue. However since a tournament is a public event and so on with money involved, the LPGA (in the US) cannot legally prohibit men from entering a tournament. But speaking about what is legal is not the same as speaking about what should be. It is interesting to note also that the PGA has no real objections to allowing women to play in PGA tournaments provided they are qualified, and the only real objection to Sorenstam's 1st appearance in a PGA tournament was that she wasn't good enough to win and he grandstanding appeance was depriving someone who could have won from playing (limited number of players in these tournaments you know) and that was from a PGA memeber, not the PGA itself.

-If blacks/native americans/random non-white minority groups start an organization that only they can join, chances are nobody will bat an eye at it. If whites do that, it's discrimination, racism, evil.Well yes, sorta. It is legal (in the US and most other countries) to start such an organization, but it will be looked at with a jaundiced eye. History has taught us that groups only using the qualifier "white" for membership tend to be formed for "evil" purposes. A good portion of this has to do with the fact that "whites" are a fairly heterogenous class and the only reason for members of this class to form an association is discrimination or racism. Sub-groups of "whites" can and do form organizations based on common interests beyond simple skin color and these are not looked at with the same level of suspicion, ie Italian-American Associations, Hibernian League.
-If gay people open a group only to gays, that should be allowed. If heterosexuals start a group where gays are not welcome... better call your lawyers.Not really. If for some reason you are sued for merely forming a group of non-homosexuals (well not in Canada) you should be able to get the suit dismissed by the judge right away without resorting to a lawyer. Freedom of association includes the freedom not to associate, and in most of this is not a problem. One should not however expect the government to do more than recognize your right not to associate and certainly not support it any more or less than they would support a group which restricts it's membership to homosexuals.

Men shouldn't be allowed in the LPGA. Athletically, there are so many differences between men and women that the results would be skewed in some sports. I'd feel very sorry, for example, if they allowed women in the NFL.

There shouldn't be a LPGA.
I don't think that gender differences are significant enough for golf to merit gender specific leagues/associations.

Then again, I could be wrong, so perhaps I should have thought a bit harder before I voted. D'oh. Radio buttons are so fun.

There shouldn't be a LPGA.
I don't think that gender differences are significant enough for golf to merit gender specific leagues/associations.

Then again, I could be wrong, so perhaps I should have thought a bit harder before I voted. D'oh. Radio buttons are so fun.
if that were true, there would be plenty of women playing on the pga and ..... oh say.... 5% of all tournaments would be won by women (since way more men play golf professionally than women do)