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It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels. :mad: I mean, how stupid can you be you morons? They are the people that are trying to save you....what idiots. Everytime someone in the media mentions NO I hang my head in shame, and regret that President Bush didn't have the Balls to immediately suspend the POsse Comitatus and send in the 82nd Airborne to deal with the Rebels.

Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers, but they are rebelling against the government of Louisianna and the Federal Government. Now, normally (as you know) I am totally against the government, but this is one area where the Gub'mint cannot take any lip from anyone. They've got to pacify the rebellion in NO and bring this whole national disgrace to an end. The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

:mad:

I'm confused.

Hooray for guns!

I'm confused.
Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

Hooray for guns!


There will be plenty of them laying next to their former owners when this is done. 82nd airbone doesn't mess around.

The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

That is one of the silliest and most feeble comparisons I have seen on this board. Congrats.

That is one of the silliest and most feeble comparisons I have seen on this board. Congrats.

Coming from a fass, yep. Okay, I'm wrong.



It's New Somalia.

Coming from a fass, yep. Okay, I'm wrong.

It's New Somalia.

You really need to contain and tone down your histrionics.

Coming from a fass, yep. Okay, I'm wrong.



It's New Somalia.
Quit being hyperbolic.


Ha...get it...damn.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

There's obviously something very, very wrong with you.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

Hi, I am hyperbole. I am what occurs when people want to describe things in extreme terms. For example, it is so hot it is like the sun is on my shoulder trying to whisper a story into me ear.

There's obviously something very, very wrong with you.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who has started to suspect that.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.
Right. Let's disregard the fact that the city will be reused, and that it is extremely vital to the US economy.

I completely agree, minus the A-bomb, simply because you know like I know that W. is gonna continue to let these fuck ups occur. They at no point will get all of the innocents... therefore, bad idea to a-bomb.. besides, dude, it's a popular place and not everyone wants it wiped off the map. But those grade A idiots need to chill out and stop this before something really, really bad happens...

It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels.
Rebels? Are you sure? You want to call them that?

this is the dark side of the american dream, the underbelly with the massive disparity in wealth. i hate using phrases like american dream anyway, it makes me feel sick when i say them, they are such propaganda tools.

Think of it as God's way of downsizing and culling the herd. Cordon the joint off and let the animals eat each other for two weeks. ID every looter in the videos; teach those looters still alive to skydive over the gulf. :sniper:

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.
Go see a doctor.

That is one of the silliest and most feeble comparisons I have seen on this board. Congrats.

For once, I agree with Fass.

The 'rebels' will disperse as soon as their cold turkey ends, or the situation improves and they manage to locate a new dealer.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.
What kind of mentality are you displaying here? Because a few misguided individuals have taken the law into their own hands, you would obliterate billions of dollars worth of property (commercial, residential, and industrial), nevermind eliminating a very historic section of your country?

What I also can't understand is why bother shooting looters as you suggested in an earlier thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9560758&postcount=21), when you are advocating such drastic measures as "burn the city to the ground"?

It would also appear (after reading a number of your posts), that your suggestions are racially motivated?

Go see a doctor.

And I also agree with The Chinese Republics.

Really ARF! You need to tone this down. This type of rhetoric could result in a flamefest. Especially by those that have relatives that used to live there.

What kind of mentality are you displaying here? Because a few misguided individuals have taken the law into their own hands, you would obliterate billions of dollars worth of property (commercial, residential, and industrial), nevermind eliminating a very historic section of your country?

What I also can't understand is why bother shooting looters as you suggested in an earlier thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9560758&postcount=21), when you are advocating such drastic measures as "burn the city to the ground"?

Here here CH!

It would also appear (after reading a number of your posts), that your suggestions are racially motivated?

I don't think its racially motivated and don't even think about bringing the race card into this debate please? I'm asking out of respect.

There's obviously something very, very wrong with you.
The scary part is that he is a gun owner. :(

The scary part is that he is a gun owner. :(
crazy redneck

Here here CH!
I am glad you concur. :)

I don't think its racially motivated and don't even think about bringing the race card into this debate please? I'm asking out of respect.
Sorry Corny, I call them as I see them, and it wasn't I who played the race card here. I will expose them every time the opportunity presents itself.

I am glad you concur. :)

I have too in this case because you are right.

Sorry Corny, I call them as I see them, and it wasn't I who played the race card here. I will expose them every time the opportunity presents itself.

Well...I won't get into an arguement so I'll let the issue drop :)

I don't think its racially motivated
Me either, not to be racist but is it because about 90% of the ppl on N.O. are black.

And as for the slow response to the Katrina disaster, I don't even think it's caused by the ongoing war in Iraq (don't ever bring that one up too, it'll cause flame wars). It's just Bush is just darn too slow.

Me either, is it because about 90% of the ppl on N.O. are black.

And as for the slow response to the Katrina disaster, I don't even think it's caused by the ongoing war in Iraq (don't ever bring that one up too, it'lll cause flame wars).

Your right. It isn't caused by the Iraq War. The problem is stretch through all levels of government from the Local to the federal. Most of LA's national guard was there to be activated and they should've gone in immediately. Martial Law should've been declared when the looting started.

I will be honest, I'm not a big fan of Martial Law but in this case, it would've been necessary. The Federal Government shouldn't have voted to cut the levee budget! Everyone is guilty on this one.

As to the slow response, I think part of the problem was transportation. The road network was really messed up due to Katrina. Good news is that the response is coming in now and that I-10 is now fully evacuated, the Superdome is now totally evacuated after the brief lul there. And aide is starting to pour in.

It took them long enough but it is there now and for that, I do thank God.

Me either, not to be racist but is it because about 90% of the ppl on N.O. are black.

And as for the slow response to the Katrina disaster, I don't even think it's caused by the ongoing war in Iraq (don't ever bring that one up too, it'll cause flame wars).
It is just that his comments are consistent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9558225&postcount=49) with the racial innuendoes. There have been others. :(

Go kill some Hadjis for me.
ARF's comments are quite deadly sometimes

New orleans was a disaster waiting to happen, and since Hurricane Betsy of the 1960s, warnings have been given over and over again to change the city, stenghthen the dikes and levees, etc. The city of eternal party ignored it, and spent lavish amounts on Mardi Gras instead. This problem is not new, nor is it any one politician or set of politicians fault, no matter how vitrolic your hatred for one may be. He cannot be held resposable for the actions of the free American citizens within the city, who, by ignoring warnings to evacuate, can be legally assumed to hold the city harmless for all actions therafter. Yes, it looks like a Third World city, and it is taking a long time to get aid in the destroyed roadways and bridges, but it takes time to get some things there. I hope that things improve soon, and have already sent both onetary and hard goods donations in. I don't see anyone from all the nations we helped over the years kicking in anything. France, Germany, Japan, anyone, Bueller, Bueller?
Ah, well, we Americans can fix, survive, and rebuild anything...

While the guy's answer is too extreme, he does bring up an interesting question.

Why the hell are people shooting rescue choppers? Some people are using this to condemn gun rights, but that still doesn't explain what motive there could be.

While the guy's answer is too extreme, he does bring up an interesting question.

Why the hell are people shooting rescue choppers? Some people are using this to condemn gun rights, but that still doesn't explain what motive there could be.
I would think two reasons. One, the gunmen may think supplies are on board. Two, they are simply angry at authorities for one reason or another, and for the most part, they are the only ones that fly helicopters in NO. This stuff happens all the time in African and Middle Eastern war zones.

It's an international American disgrace now... if only that there Patriot Act could've stopped all the pesky media coverage. Ah well.

This problem is not new, nor is it any one politician or set of politicians fault, no matter how vitrolic your hatred for one may be

I feel confident that we can in fact blame this on the city government of new orleans and its ridiculous corruption along with the failure of the leaders of the black community there

remember when the power was out across the northeast and midwest 2 years or so ago? some of the worst "ghettos" in the US were in similar conditions and nothing like this happened

New orleans was a disaster waiting to happen, and since Hurricane Betsy of the 1960s, warnings have been given over and over again to change the city, stenghthen the dikes and levees, etc. The city of eternal party ignored it, and spent lavish amounts on Mardi Gras instead. This problem is not new, nor is it any one politician or set of politicians fault, no matter how vitrolic your hatred for one may be. He cannot be held resposable for the actions of the free American citizens within the city, who, by ignoring warnings to evacuate, can be legally assumed to hold the city harmless for all actions therafter. Yes, it looks like a Third World city, and it is taking a long time to get aid in the destroyed roadways and bridges, but it takes time to get some things there. I hope that things improve soon, and have already sent both onetary and hard goods donations in. I don't see anyone from all the nations we helped over the years kicking in anything. France, Germany, Japan, anyone, Bueller, Bueller?
Ah, well, we Americans can fix, survive, and rebuild anything...
Lets see now. You don't want to blame the politicians per se, but you do want to blame the residents of the city and then take a shot at countries that actually have offered assistance. Such rationale is mind boggling to say the least.

Immediately initiate martial law.
Remove the remaining people in the city, get them food and shelter.
For god sakes, stop the partisan shit. We all look like assholes in this nation with all this partisan bullshit going around.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

Dude. Go to bed. When you wake up, I think you'll find your desire for a U.S. city to be nuked into oblivion will have passed, and you will think it to have been quite silly.

What kind of mentality are you displaying here? Because a few misguided individuals have taken the law into their own hands, you would obliterate billions of dollars worth of property (commercial, residential, and industrial), nevermind eliminating a very historic section of your country?

What I also can't understand is why bother shooting looters as you suggested in an earlier thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9560758&postcount=21), when you are advocating such drastic measures as "burn the city to the ground"?

It would also appear (after reading a number of your posts), that your suggestions are racially motivated?

heh, as of Monday, August 29th the prperty value of New Orleans Lousiana is precisely zero, due to the amount of flood damage and the toxidity of the water (9 petro chemical plants, multiple other chemical refiniries, 100+ years of rot and decay, 100+ years of whatever the hell has soaked into Bourbon street, dead bodies, you get the idea, I wouldn't want to so much as stick my little toe in it) New Orleans is projected to be uninhabitable (even if completely drained) fo more than 40 years.

As for looters, NO had a huge population of drug addicts, most of them did not have the means to leave the city while their dealers did, additionally, a high percent of all americans take pills for some sort of psychological disorder, even you probably have the stereotypical aunt or uncle (or nephew, niece, cousin, grand ma, grand pa, whatever) that 'you know how <relation> gets when s/he hasn't had he/r pills'. and all of these people are now going cold turkey in a very high stress situation, most of them are starving and dehydrating (or drinking water I wouldn't want within ten meters of me). and there's a high availability of guns and ammo. Maybe you can at least partially understand the situation now, the so called 'rebels' are actually people long passed the verge of insanity.

Yes, and some of our fellow nations blame everything on President Bush.

heh, as of Monday, August 29th the prperty value of New Orleans Lousiana is precisely zero, due to the amount of flood damage and the toxidity of the water (9 petro chemical plants, multiple other chemical refiniries, 100+ years of rot and decay, 100+ years of whatever the hell has soaked into Bourbon street, dead bodies, you get the idea, I wouldn't want to so much as stick my little toe in it) New Orleans is projected to be uninhabitable (even if completely drained) fo more than 40 years.

As for looters, NO had a huge population of drug addicts, most of them did not have the means to leave the city while their dealers did, additionally, a high percent of all americans take pills for some sort of psychological disorder, even you probably have the stereotypical aunt or uncle (or nephew, niece, cousin, grand ma, grand pa, whatever) that 'you know how <relation> gets when s/he hasn't had he/r pills'. and all of these people are now going cold turkey in a very high stress situation, most of them are starving and dehydrating (or drinking water I wouldn't want within ten meters of me). and there's a high availability of guns and ammo. Maybe you can at least partially understand the situation now, the so called 'rebels' are actually people long passed the verge of insanity.So, you're saying to give up?

heh, as of Monday, August 29th the prperty value of New Orleans Lousiana is precisely zero, due to the amount of flood damage and the toxidity of the water (9 petro chemical plants, multiple other chemical refiniries, 100+ years of rot and decay, 100+ years of whatever the hell has soaked into Bourbon street, dead bodies, you get the idea, I wouldn't want to so much as stick my little toe in it) New Orleans is projected to be uninhabitable (even if completely drained) fo more than 40 years.
So then I could buy New Orleans for $1,000? Sold. :)

Could you provide a source for your commentary?

As for looters, NO had a huge population of drug addicts, most of them did not have the means to leave the city while their dealers did, additionally, a high percent of all americans take pills for some sort of psychological disorder, even you probably have the stereotypical aunt or uncle (or nephew, niece, cousin, grand ma, grand pa, whatever) that 'you know how <relation> gets when s/he hasn't had he/r pills'. and all of these people are now going cold turkey in a very high stress situation, most of them are starving and dehydrating (or drinking water I wouldn't want within ten meters of me). and there's a high availability of guns and ammo. Maybe you can at least partially understand the situation now, the so called 'rebels' are actually people long passed the verge of insanity.
So you think that New Orleans should be levelled then? What has drugs got to do with this thread?

Wow... Okay

No, I'm not saying level it, just leave it alone, it's already been effectively leveld, I doubt you could buy it for any amount of money b/c afaik its still owned by the people who owned it when the hurricane came through, not that it'll do them any good, as I said, due to the chemicals in the water, the whole city will be uninhabittable for at least 40 years (this tidbit comes from a friend who happens to be a chemist who has analyzed the New Orleans situation, Don't know the precise circumstances for the analysis or why it hasn't been published but it's information I trust to be accurate) and even if it takes only a few months, the cost in rebuilding will be staggering, I'm not saying don't rebuild, but I beleiev that very few people will even be interested in rebuilding by the time its possible (In uastin, most of the people coming in from NO are already talking about staying here no matter how short a time and low a cost it would take to rebuild.)

As for drugs: WHat I'm saying is that many of the people incapable of leaving NO were (are) also addicted to, or currently taking prescription, drugs and that they are in a high stress, low nutrition environment with no drugs of any kind to alleviate withdrawal (or just gowing without medication for prescriptee's), classic conditions for instability, the people shooting at rescue helo's and what not are probably so crazy and so high on adrenaline that they would shoot their own mothers' for no reason at all.

So then I could buy New Orleans for $1,000? Sold. :)And make Louisiana a 11th province in the Canadian confederation. :D It'll be the nicest province in Canada when it is cleaned up, fixed, etc.

And make Louisiana a 11th province in the Canadian confederation. :D It'll be the nicest province in Canada when it is cleaned up, fixed, etc.
Not a bad idea. :D

Either that or sell it back to France? :rolleyes:

It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels. :mad: I mean, how stupid can you be you morons? They are the people that are trying to save you....what idiots. Everytime someone in the media mentions NO I hang my head in shame, and regret that President Bush didn't have the Balls to immediately suspend the POsse Comitatus and send in the 82nd Airborne to deal with the Rebels.

Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers, but they are rebelling against the government of Louisianna and the Federal Government. Now, normally (as you know) I am totally against the government, but this is one area where the Gub'mint cannot take any lip from anyone. They've got to pacify the rebellion in NO and bring this whole national disgrace to an end. The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

:mad:


That helicopter thing happened once, and I have no doubt it was a misunderstanding on someone's part. I wish people would get over it. We don't have a rebellion, we have a handful of lawless thugs (who were probably lawless thugs last month) taking advantage of the situation. They aren't "running the city", they are using the fact that nobody is running the city as an opportunity to cause trouble. The National Guard has met with no resistance at all, probably because even the idiots would rather get food and water than shoot at the military. It's a great thing to hammer down on because it makes all this misery and lack of humanitarian aid sound like it's the fault of the people suffering.

8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.

How very ....... anti-American of you. Nuke our own people on our own soil, eh?

Tell you what, man. You go there. You go see these people up close and personal. See the utter fatigue and despair in their faces. See that there are children being ignored by our government while Senators pat themselves on the back on CNN for a "job well done".

How about you go and pull bodies, bloated and covered in sewage, from attics and then try desparately to find someone who can identify them and then, when you do, hold them as all the rage and despare is screamed out on your shoulder.

Tell you what ... how about you just go fuck yourself.

What they should do Is just send in the National Guard and start blasting anything that moves with a gun. Also kill off all the looters. It's okay if their looting shoes, food, water, or something hey need to survive(shoes beacuse their walking in four feet of water with broken glass), but kill fo the dumbasses taking jewlery and T.V.'s.

What they should do Is just send in the National Guard and start blasting anything that moves with a gun. Also kill off all the looters. It's okay if their looting shoes, food, water, or something hey need to survive(shoes beacuse their walking in four feet of water with broken glass), but kill fo the dumbasses taking jewlery and T.V.'s.
How about you just grab anyone who is alive and get them food and water and take them somewhere else, and consider the precious tvs slightly less important than thousands of human lives.

*snip*
as I said, due to the chemicals in the water, the whole city will be uninhabittable for at least 40 years (this tidbit comes from a friend who happens to be a chemist who has analyzed the New Orleans situation, Don't know the precise circumstances for the analysis or why it hasn't been published but it's information I trust to be accurate)

*snip*.

It must be nice NOT TO HAVE A REAL SOURCE so you can spout nonsense.

I think it's really incredibly disheartening that some people apparently care so little about New Orleans they're willing to give up and abandon it. Let's hope their voices do little to persuade those in positions of authority.

The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

That is one of the silliest and most feeble comparisons I have seen on this board. Congrats.

Dammit Fass. I normally hate agreeing with you, but you're right on this time. :cool:

That is one of the silliest and most feeble comparisons I have seen on this board. Congrats.

For once, I agree with Fass.

BOTH of us agree with Fass? :eek:

(Starts looking for more signs of the apocolypse...)

That helicopter thing happened once, and I have no doubt it was a misunderstanding on someone's part. I wish people would get over it. We don't have a rebellion, we have a handful of lawless thugs (who were probably lawless thugs last month) taking advantage of the situation. They aren't "running the city", they are using the fact that nobody is running the city as an opportunity to cause trouble. The National Guard has met with no resistance at all, probably because even the idiots would rather get food and water than shoot at the military. It's a great thing to hammer down on because it makes all this misery and lack of humanitarian aid sound like it's the fault of the people suffering.


No! I refuse to let you dismantle my twisted pro gun control argument!

There are thousands of armed gunmen in the streets shooting at anything that flies! We must ban guns at once! Yay for Katrina, giving me a reason to rant about how evil guns are, and how perfect the world would be if only the military possessed any! :sniper:

It's an international American disgrace now... if only that there Patriot Act could've stopped all the pesky media coverage. Ah well.

Thank you for proving that the Patriot Act has not turned the US into some kind of 1984-censorship state. :)

Wait, are you trying to say that five days of looting and gun brandishing isn't the equivalent of a decade of open rebellion and military conflict? Nonsense. We really need to nuke the city before a black dude with a gun is knocking down your door in affluent suburban Connecticut.

I am British, so forgive me if I sound impertinent, but if when a nation suffers a disaster such as this and those in the middle begin shooting rescue workers and police, that suggests a serious problem with that society. I cannot imagine; although thank god we have not suffered such an appaling disaster, that this sort of thing would happen in Britain.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

Did... did you're grey matter somehow get flushed into you're lower intestines?

That helicopter thing happened once, and I have no doubt it was a misunderstanding on someone's part.

It happened more than once. It's been happening for several days.

As for drugs: WHat I'm saying is that many of the people incapable of leaving NO were (are) also addicted to, or currently taking prescription, drugs and that they are in a high stress, low nutrition environment with no drugs of any kind to alleviate withdrawal (or just gowing without medication for prescriptee's), classic conditions for instability, the people shooting at rescue helo's and what not are probably so crazy and so high on adrenaline that they would shoot their own mothers' for no reason at all.

Which doesn't excuse it at all, IMHO.

Wait, are you trying to say that five days of looting and gun brandishing isn't the equivalent of a decade of open rebellion and military conflict? Nonsense. We really need to nuke the city before a black dude with a gun is knocking down your door in affluent suburban Connecticut.

:upyours:

You've obviously never been to Connecticut.

While the guy's answer is too extreme, he does bring up an interesting question.

Why the hell are people shooting rescue choppers? Some people are using this to condemn gun rights, but that still doesn't explain what motive there could be.

You're right, it doesn't make sense. Most people don't use medical helicopters for target practice. We must not be getting all the information.

One explanation might be the method of evacuation. If I were trapped with a bunch of people, and a helicopter was rescuing one group and not another, I just might shoot at it in frustration. And at sniping range they might not have known it was a medical chopper.

I do know that with the bus evacuation some people were allowed to cut to the front of the line, which pissed everyone off.

When you are desperate for food and medical supplies and you feel that you've been cheated by your government because of the colour of your skin (may not be true, but perception is what matters here and now), I think you will pretty much shoot at anything.

OUTLAW PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP!

I am British, so forgive me if I sound impertinent, but if when a nation suffers a disaster such as this and those in the middle begin shooting rescue workers and police, that suggests a serious problem with that society. I cannot imagine; although thank god we have not suffered such an appaling disaster, that this sort of thing would happen in Britain.

*is also a Brit*

That's close enough to the same thing my dad said when we discussed it at Lunch. :-/

:upyours:

You've obviously never been to Connecticut.
No, not really. What should I know about it?

Anyway, as far as the people shooting at rescue workers goes, there has been, as far as I know, one incident like that. It wasn't the people being rescued who did so, but the people who had been trying to get into a hospital, most likely for drugs. My guess is that the people doing this thought that the helicopter was full of police or some other law enforcement. Junkies aren't generally the most rational people, after all. I don't think we should let this incident color our image of the whole tragedy.

Coming from a fass, yep. Okay, I'm wrong.



It's New Somalia.
Ah, now i got you pinned, your one of those guys whos comparing this the the Tisumi and genocide arn't you...

It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels. :mad: I mean, how stupid can you be you morons? They are the people that are trying to save you....what idiots. Everytime someone in the media mentions NO I hang my head in shame, and regret that President Bush didn't have the Balls to immediately suspend the POsse Comitatus and send in the 82nd Airborne to deal with the Rebels.

Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers, but they are rebelling against the government of Louisianna and the Federal Government. Now, normally (as you know) I am totally against the government, but this is one area where the Gub'mint cannot take any lip from anyone. They've got to pacify the rebellion in NO and bring this whole national disgrace to an end. The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

:mad:

You scare me. God help us all if you go into law enforcement.

ARF-COM and IBTL:

I lost my apartment in New Orleans, I had to fight to get out alive, I was there when the levees broke, I was there when the looting started, I saw dead people in the street. It's painfully obvious you lack any sort of understanding of the situation, beyond the conceptual level, as you clearly cannot comprehend the reason these people began looting in the first place. And honestly, you're making yourself look like a fool.

Now, of course I do not agree with the VERY small percentage of the population who did fire at the rescue workers, or who fired at innocent civilians. But I do agree that those who looted store branches, which were parts of multi-million dollar corporations, had every right to do so if they needed what they were taking, such as food, clean water, medicine, clothes, etc.

Concerning what Louisiana spent its money on, they never had the funds to improve the levee system enough to prevent this from happening. In fact, the state of Louisiana asked for Federal support for over a decade before Katrina hit so they would be prepared for a scenario such as this. They never received the funding they requested specifically to improve the levee system. Each year when a request for funding was put in, it was denied by Congress.

What these looters are doing, and more importantly why they are doing it, should emphasize the gigantic problems in American society, which year after year after year are ignored: wealth, education, and basic understanding of other human beings.

The problem in the grand scheme of things isn't what these people are doing, but rather why. What's happening in New Orleans is only a large, violent, and impossible-to-ignore result of problems that have only escalated for the poor and uneducated.

What if you saw no hope, purpose, direction, or meaning in your life? Wouldn't you get sick of just being a statistic, for example? Or living in housing projects?

I'm not justifying what some of these looters are doing, I'm telling you why they're doing it, which is something you apparently don't seem to understand. People do not act in such a way without a GOOD reason.

Furthermore, it's even more obvious that while a number of people think your reasoning lacks any form of sound thinking, the people who have posted here see New Orleans the same way: A city full of crime and drug addicts.

Also, seeing as how my city is pretty much destroyed, I lost my apartment and 98% of everything I own, and I loved New Orleans, I doubt YOU would have the "cajones" to say any of the following to my face or to the face of anyone else from New Orleans:


1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.

Perhaps if you had actually been there, or if you could relate to what was happening in New Orleans, it would at least seem as though you had a clue as to what you were talking about. However, it's obvious you can't relate to, nor understand, anything happening in that city. In fact, you just come across as sounding like a sheltered, whiny little kid who thinks the world should conform to his/her definition of what is and what is not acceptable. Unfortunately, people outside of that little bubble experience things and have problems of which you have absolutely no capability to grasp or ascertain.

Keep in mind I agree with you that what these people are doing is wrong, and I am in no way defending them. But if you don't understand something [as is your case in this context], you should take the time to analyze it in a light you've never looked at it in, and then reconsider what you think. I don't mean to insult you, but before you announce your opinion in the form of an obnoxious little rant, educate yourself on the subject of which you are speaking, and then express how you feel. Otherwise, it makes you look as stupid as the people shooting at helicopters.

:upyours:

You've obviously never been to Connecticut.
you DO know he was being sarcastic dont you?

or are you implying that that is already the state of things in ct?

To North Germania:

*clap, clap, clap*

I heartily agree with your post.

*snip*

My goodness. It must have been horrible. Glad that you're safe. :(

It still brings a tear to my eye watching the footage and pictures. Ignore the troll. He obviously hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. Perhaps in the same situation he would stand there, shocked, and pee in his pants. Heh.

I'm sorry I can't do more than post and pray. But you are sure that the condolences and love is with you from billions around the globe.

A human in tragedy is a human in tragedy, not American, not Chinese, not Indonesian.

you DO know he was being sarcastic dont you?

or are you implying that that is already the state of things in ct?

Yes, I know he was being sarcastic. I'm just sick of the stereotype that all of Connecticut is Westport and Darien. :headbang:

Martha Stewart (et home) are NOT the norm.

Yes, I know he was being sarcastic. I'm just sick of the stereotype that all of Connecticut is Westport and Darien. :headbang:

Martha Stewart (et home) are NOT the norm.
Well, I'm pretty sure I specified "affluent suburban Connecticut". What makes you think I meant that the entire state was like that?

No, not really. What should I know about it?

Connecticut is *not* all multimillion dollar homes and snooty people like it's been associated with on TV.

The five big cities (Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford, Waterbury, and Stamford) have large minority populations, as well as all the crime of cities anywhere else in the US. CT is not a whitebread "Mayberry" like place where everyone lives in a 1800 sq.ft home with 2 cars, 3 kids and a dog.

Take Bridgeport for example:

People
The estimated population, in 2003, was 139,664.
Race Number Percent of the population
White 62,822 45.0
Black or African American 42,925 30.8
American Indian and Alaska native 664 0.5
Asian 4,536 3.3
Native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 148 0.1
Some other race 20,659 14.8
Two or more races 7,775 5.6
Hispanic or Latino 44,478 31.9
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 Census

Economy
* Median household income: $34,658 (national average: $41,004) This is despite a MASSIVE real estate boom in all the surrounding towns.
* The city has lost much of its old industrial base in recent decades. It has not been replaced.
* Median price asked for vacant housing $127,100
* Owner occupied housing units: 21,758, or 40%. (The national average is 70%. )

Other Issues
* The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 1,365. The number of murders and homicides was 15. The violent crime rate was 9.7 per 1,000 people. (By way of comparison, Detroit has a 10.9, New York City has a 6.6.)
* The city has 6,487 people living there with bachelor's degrees or better. That's less than 5%.
* 75% of Bridgeport’s students failed to meet state goals on State Mastery Tests in 2003.
* 24 schools are deemed "failing" by the Department of Education, including 3 high schools.

http://connecticut.foxtons.com/resources/wlbr/wlbr0045701/wlbr0045701_large-1.jpg

Far cry from this, yeah?
http://www.mlsb.com/pix/pixCTDARIEN/8990_0.jpg

Well, I'm pretty sure I specified "affluent suburban Connecticut". What makes you think I meant that the entire state was like that?

"affluent suburban Connecticut"... Think about how that sounds. Especially when you're comparing it to New Orleans. In it's current mayhem.

"affluent suburban Connecticut"... Think about how that sounds. Especially when you're comparing it to New Orleans. In it's current mayhem.
It sounds like I am thinking of a wealthy, relatively safe place. It's different than saying "connecticut, which is affluent." If someone said "rural Texas", I wouldn't feel the need to point out that Texas has two of the largest cities in the nation.

When you are desperate for food and medical supplies and you feel that you've been cheated by your government because of the colour of your skin (may not be true, but perception is what matters here and now), I think you will pretty much shoot at anything.

OUTLAW PRIVATE GUN OWNERSHIP!

The guns were *stolen*, mostly from police stations and sporting goods stores.

OUTLAW STEALING!

oh... wait...

It sounds like I am thinking of a wealthy, relatively safe place. It's different than saying "connecticut, which is affluent." If someone said "rural Texas", I wouldn't feel the need to point out that Texas has two of the largest cities in the nation.

That's not how I read it. "Connecticut which is affluent" and "affluent suburban Connecticut" are the *same thing*.

That's not the same as saying "Texas, which is rural" and "poor rural texas". See the difference?

It's the $$ side as well as the urban/rural/suburban thing.

That's not how I read it. "Connecticut which is affluent" and "affluent suburban Connecticut" are the *same thing*.

That's not the same as saying "Texas, which is rural" and "poor rural texas". See the difference?

It's the $$ side as well as the urban/rural/suburban thing.
Well, no offense, but it's not my fault you can't parse sentences reasonably.

Connecticut is *not* all multimillion dollar homes and snooty people like it's been associated with on TV.

The five big cities (Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford, Waterbury, and Stamford) have large minority populations, as well as all the crime of cities anywhere else in the US. CT is not a whitebread "Mayberry" like place where everyone lives in a 1800 sq.ft home with 2 cars, 3 kids and a dog.

Take Bridgeport for example:

People
The estimated population, in 2003, was 139,664.
Race Number Percent of the population
White 62,822 45.0
Black or African American 42,925 30.8
American Indian and Alaska native 664 0.5
Asian 4,536 3.3
Native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 148 0.1
Some other race 20,659 14.8
Two or more races 7,775 5.6
Hispanic or Latino 44,478 31.9
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 Census

Economy
* Median household income: $34,658 (national average: $41,004) This is despite a MASSIVE real estate boom in all the surrounding towns.
* The city has lost much of its old industrial base in recent decades. It has not been replaced.
* Median price asked for vacant housing $127,100
* Owner occupied housing units: 21,758, or 40%. (The national average is 70%. )

Other Issues
* The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 1,365. The number of murders and homicides was 15. The violent crime rate was 9.7 per 1,000 people. (By way of comparison, Detroit has a 10.9, New York City has a 6.6.)
* The city has 6,487 people living there with bachelor's degrees or better. That's less than 5%.
* 75% of Bridgeport’s students failed to meet state goals on State Mastery Tests in 2003.
* 24 schools are deemed "failing" by the Department of Education, including 3 high schools.

http://connecticut.foxtons.com/resources/wlbr/wlbr0045701/wlbr0045701_large-1.jpg

Far cry from this, yeah?
http://www.mlsb.com/pix/pixCTDARIEN/8990_0.jpg

With friends like this... I have a feeling the governor of Connecticut would rather his state be left out of this thread. ;)

That's not how I read it. "Connecticut which is affluent" and "affluent suburban Connecticut" are the *same thing*.

That's not the same as saying "Texas, which is rural" and "poor rural texas". See the difference?

It's the $$ side as well as the urban/rural/suburban thing.
No, I don't see the difference. The 2 comparisons of phrases are identical.

Affluent suburban Connecticut... Poor rural Texas
Connecticut, which is affluent... Texas, which is rural.

Sounds the same to me.

It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels. :mad: I mean, how stupid can you be you morons? They are the people that are trying to save you....what idiots. Everytime someone in the media mentions NO I hang my head in shame, and regret that President Bush didn't have the Balls to immediately suspend the POsse Comitatus and send in the 82nd Airborne to deal with the Rebels.

Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers, but they are rebelling against the government of Louisianna and the Federal Government. Now, normally (as you know) I am totally against the government, but this is one area where the Gub'mint cannot take any lip from anyone. They've got to pacify the rebellion in NO and bring this whole national disgrace to an end. The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

:mad:
Err, I don't think I follow.
Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers,
You seem to be claiming there is a rebel group either in control of or trying to gain control of New Orleans?
Is that actually the case? I can't find a thing about it, and from all I've heard, the National Guard and co. aren't getting forced out or anything.

And how is NO like Chechnya? There isn't currently a battle going on between a govenment of a state that has declared itself independent and the government of the state which claims control over it, is there? I haven't even heard of any organized rebel groups, much less a seperatist government.

Sure, the looting and the fighting sucks, but I think you are blowing this way out of proportion, unless there is new info I haven't heard. I don't think I'd even call them rebels, as they don't seem to be rebelling against the state or anything, just trying to loot things.

The Media coverage on this is making me SICK! and the people who don't do additional research from what they here on the radio and TV are just as bad.

The U.S. Government is NOT ignoring ANYBODY the closest relief capable ship (LHD-5 "USS Bataan" and amphibious assault ship carrying four SAR and acrgo configured helicopters just returing from PANAMAX an international joint training exercise) was dispatched to the scene AS SOON AS THE WIND DIED ENOUGH FOR IT TO SAFELY APPROACH! within 48 hours of that (Normal wait for this type of mobilisationis somwthign like four days to a week in preperation) a force of 3 similiar ships, equipped with even more helicopters was dispathed, less than 24 hours later (again normal prep period is something like two weeks) The USS Harry S. Truman (A Nimitz class aircraft carrier) along with several other ships was dispatched to aid in relief. And the Media has not covered one bit of it. I had to go to the Department of the Navy News Site (http://www.news.navy.mil/index.asp) to find out about it.

This certainly casts things in a new light

The Media coverage on this is making me SICK! and the people who don't do additional research from what they here on the radio and TV are just as bad.

The U.S. Government is NOT ignoring ANYBODY the closest relief capable ship (LHD-5 "USS Bataan" and amphibious assault ship carrying four SAR and acrgo configured helicopters just returing from PANAMAX an international joint training exercise) was dispatched to the scene AS SOON AS THE WIND DIED ENOUGH FOR IT TO SAFELY APPROACH! within 48 hours of that (Normal wait for this type of mobilisationis somwthign like four days to a week in preperation) a force of 3 similiar ships, equipped with even more helicopters was dispathed, less than 24 hours later (again normal prep period is something like two weeks) The USS Harry S. Truman (A Nimitz class aircraft carrier) along with several other ships was dispatched to aid in relief. And the Media has not covered one bit of it. I had to go to the Department of the Navy News Site (http://www.news.navy.mil/index.asp) to find out about it.

This certainly casts things in a new light


That's funny. I heard about all that on NBC nightly news. :rolleyes:

With friends like this... I have a feeling the governor of Connecticut would rather his state be left out of this thread. ;)

Friends like what? I'm merely pointing out that Connecticut is NOT what it seems to be percieved of from TV.

(BTW: Governor Rell is a woman...)

No, I don't see the difference. The 2 comparisons of phrases are identical.

Affluent suburban Connecticut... Poor rural Texas
Connecticut, which is affluent... Texas, which is rural.

Sounds the same to me.

affluent = rural ?!? Man, I'm glad you're not taking the GRE! :D

Well, no offense, but it's not my fault you can't parse sentences reasonably.

You're right. I don't parse sentences reasonably. I do so correctly.

But we digress from the tread. Sorry all for the hijack.

No, I don't see the difference. The 2 comparisons of phrases are identical.

Affluent suburban Connecticut... Poor rural Texas
Connecticut, which is affluent... Texas, which is rural.

Sounds the same to me.
No, he's right. You're making a difference between the affluent PARTS of Connecticut, while in the second you're implying that all of Connecticut is affluent.

No, he's right. You're making a difference between the affluent PARTS of Connecticut, while in the second you're implying that all of Connecticut is affluent.

Thanks. :)

The Media coverage on this is making me SICK! and the people who don't do additional research from what they here on the radio and TV are just as bad.

The U.S. Government is NOT ignoring ANYBODY the closest relief capable ship (LHD-5 "USS Bataan" and amphibious assault ship carrying four SAR and acrgo configured helicopters just returing from PANAMAX an international joint training exercise) was dispatched to the scene AS SOON AS THE WIND DIED ENOUGH FOR IT TO SAFELY APPROACH! within 48 hours of that (Normal wait for this type of mobilisationis somwthign like four days to a week in preperation) a force of 3 similiar ships, equipped with even more helicopters was dispathed, less than 24 hours later (again normal prep period is something like two weeks) The USS Harry S. Truman (A Nimitz class aircraft carrier) along with several other ships was dispatched to aid in relief. And the Media has not covered one bit of it. I had to go to the Department of the Navy News Site (http://www.news.navy.mil/index.asp) to find out about it.

This certainly casts things in a new light

You know what else casts things in a new light? The fact that bureaucratic technicalities are fiddling while New Orleans drowns and burns.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8897&category=47&scategory=0
Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans, CNN has learned.

Department of Homeland Security spokesman Marc Short said Friday the gear has not been moved because none of the governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has requested it.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8904&category=47&scategory=0
Title: Doctors Hamstrung in Relief Effort

As they talked with Mississippi officials about prospects of helping out there, other doctors complained that their offers of help also were turned away.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.


And what would the point of turning it into a nuclear wasteland be?
Not to mention the massive HARM we would do to the whole surounding area because you are pissed at a few idiots

Talk about over reaction

Hmm it appears that looting is the least of worries right now. Gov't and local agencies are confiscating privately held firearms....that easily dwarfs looting.....

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=389933

The 'rebels' will disperse as soon as their cold turkey ends, or the situation improves and they manage to locate a new dealer.
Wow. I'm in total agreement with you! This is weird. I feel funny. :confused:

crazy redneck
Hey now! Nothin wrong with that!

Hey now! Nothin wrong with that!

Yup....couldn't stand being a yankee :D

Yup....couldn't stand being a yankee :D

Yankees suck :p

Look at this now.. Ray Nagin is putting people in danger again by setting up an unrealistic time table for residents to move back in

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050917/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina;_ylt=ArV.sM3i91aeksENQ7_YeZWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-

NEW ORLEANS - The mayor of New Orleans has set up an "extremely problematic" timeline for allowing residents to return to the evacuated city, which is still threatened by a weakened levee system, a lack of drinkable water and heavily polluted floodwaters, the head of the federal relief effort said Saturday.

Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen said federal officials have worked with Mayor Ray Nagin and support his vision for repopulating the city, but he called Nagin's idea to return up to 180,000 people to New Orleans in the next week both "extremely ambitious" and "extremely problematic."

"Our intention is to work with the mayor ... in a very frank, open and unvarnished manner," Allen told The Associated Press in an interview at Department of Homeland Security headquarters in Baton Rouge.

----

I think the mayor is doing this to save his own face but he just doesn't understand how the situation still is.

And what would the point of turning it into a nuclear wasteland be?
Not to mention the massive HARM we would do to the whole surounding area because you are pissed at a few idiots

Talk about over reaction
certainly there's no way pumping all of that e. coli infected and toxic water into the worlds water supply could have as much affect as a nuke. nope, no way no how </sarcasm>

certainly there's no way pumping all of that e. coli infected and toxic water into the worlds water supply could have as much affect as a nuke. nope, no way no how </sarcasm>
You don't know what nuclear warheads do, do you?

Look at this now.. Ray Nagin is putting people in danger again by setting up an unrealistic time table for residents to move back in

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050917/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina;_ylt=ArV.sM3i91aeksENQ7_YeZWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-

NEW ORLEANS - The mayor of New Orleans has set up an "extremely problematic" timeline for allowing residents to return to the evacuated city, which is still threatened by a weakened levee system, a lack of drinkable water and heavily polluted floodwaters, the head of the federal relief effort said Saturday.

Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen said federal officials have worked with Mayor Ray Nagin and support his vision for repopulating the city, but he called Nagin's idea to return up to 180,000 people to New Orleans in the next week both "extremely ambitious" and "extremely problematic."

"Our intention is to work with the mayor ... in a very frank, open and unvarnished manner," Allen told The Associated Press in an interview at Department of Homeland Security headquarters in Baton Rouge.

----

I think the mayor is doing this to save his own face but he just doesn't understand how the situation still is.

Nagin has proved himself largely incompetent, in my view, and his forward-looking statements can be disregarded as wishful thinking.

I seriously question the large-scale rebuilding of the city with taxpayer money, but that's another topic.

Here is some food for thought regarding future population:

"HOUSTON, Sept. 15 -- Fewer than half of all New Orleans evacuees living in emergency shelters here said they will move back home, while two-thirds of those who want to relocate planned to settle permanently in the Houston area, according to a survey by The Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and the Harvard School of Public Health...

According to the poll, most of those who did not plan to go back to New Orleans are already living in their new hometown. Fully two in three of the 44 percent who will not return said they plan to permanently relocate in the Houston area, the city that now is home to about 125,000 New Orleans evacuees..."

And incidentally:

"The survey also provides disquieting clues as to why so many residents remained in New Orleans to face Hurricane Katrina despite orders to evacuate. A third of those who stayed said they never heard the mandatory order to evacuate issued by the mayor the day before the storm hit. Somewhat fewer -- 28 percent -- said they heard the order but did not understand what they were to do. Thirty-six percent acknowledged they heard the order, understood it but did not leave. In hindsight, 56 percent said they could have evacuated, while 42 percent said it was impossible.

Bad decisions, bad luck or sheer stubbornness kept many in town. More than a third said the single biggest reason they did not leave was that they thought the storm would not be as bad as it was, or they decided too late to flee. One in 10 simply did not want to leave. Slightly fewer stayed behind to protect their homes from damage or theft. A handful said they did not want to leave pets."

Edit: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005091502010_pf.html

The guns were *stolen*, mostly from police stations and sporting goods stores.

Yeah, but they *are* being used against military government vehicles performing actions the gunowners disagree with. In other words: their actions are completely constitutional. At least if you believe the NRAs interpretation.

*wonders if there are any lawyers who will actually be sick enough to seriously use this reasoning in court*

Yeah, but they *are* being used against military government vehicles performing actions the gunowners disagree with. In other words: their actions are completely constitutional. At least if you believe the NRAs interpretation.

*wonders if there are any lawyers who will actually be sick enough to seriously use this reasoning in court*

I think the Constitutional issue is the confiscation of guns city-wide with no guaranteed return of the firearm to the owner.

People have the right to own arms, but not to commit crimes with them. Confiscating guns from suspected criminals is SOP, but they are returned if the person is found innocent.

In New Orleans they want to confiscate guns from everyone with no legal cause, and no returns - they will be lost forever. That's why the NRA is involved.

People have the right to own arms, but not to commit crimes with them.

Yes - but my point is that using those guns against military choppers can technically be argued to NOT be a crime at all, thanks to the wording of the US constitution.

Yes - but my point is that using those guns against military choppers can technically be argued to NOT be a crime at all, thanks to the wording of the US constitution.

Actually, shooting at a military chopper could be considered an insurrection or a rebellion. If they do characterize as such, then what they did is unconstitutional.

I doubt it highly that anyone would be that dumb to use the constitution in such a manner.

Hooray for guns!

No, hurray for assholes who stole guns.

We need a good news after Katrina Thread, jus for good news storys.

By John Ritter, Tom Weir, and Thomas Frank,
USA TODAY Fri Sept 16, 7:43 AM ET.





Far from Hurricane Katrina's ruin on the Gulf Coast, Mitchell and Hazel Rodgers are among the first hurricane victims to settle this week into new RV trailers at Wind Creek State Park, across a lake from million-dollar real estate.


The couple join tens of thousands of Katrina evacuees moving to the next stage of what promises to be a long process of getting back home.


The populations of hundreds of Red Cross shelters are dropping daily as families move to temporary housing, some, like the 500 trailer sites at Wind Creek, more permanent than others.


"This is the type of living my wife and I always wanted. Back to Mother Nature," says Mitchell Rodgers, 54, a disabled shipyard worker whose Gulfport, Miss., trailer-park home tipped over and filled with water. "As soon as I can, I'm going to register to vote. I'm not going back to Mississippi."


Hotels, private homes, churches, cruise ships, gyms and campgrounds will continue to accommodate many of the displaced in coming weeks. An estimated 1 million people fled Katrina.


But disaster officials say they're moving to assemble and make livable up to 300,000 trailers and other temporary housing units in Louisiana and Mississippi as fast as they can find sites and arrange utilities, schooling and other necessities with cities and counties.


Looking for space


The federal government has stopped selling foreclosed homes in 11 states and will make as many as 5,000 available at no charge to Katrina's homeless. Public housing authorities across the country are scrounging for every vacant unit they can find to offer to evacuees who came from public housing in New Orleans and Mississippi. An estimated 5,600 units could be made available within 500 miles of New Orleans.


Many cities - Houston, Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia - and counties - Allegheny County, Pa., and Miami-Dade - have offered housing for thousands more.


The number of people in Red Cross shelters had declined from a high of 203,917 in the days after Katrina hit to 61,610 by Wednesday. More than 550 shelters had closed, the Red Cross said.


The Red Cross has paid about $12 million in hotel bills and expects to reimburse a total of $100 million on behalf of an estimated 132,000 Katrina-displaced people who were in hotels in 46 states.


In Baton Rouge, where tens of thousands took refuge because it's just 80 miles northwest of New Orleans, shelter populations have dropped steadily. But the metro area of 450,000 is scrambling to cope with other effects of its newfound - if temporary - status as the state's most populous.


Mayor Melvin Holden is asking the Federal Emergency Management Agency for $10 billion to build schools, roads and sewers. Highway planners are trying to sort out the swollen region's traffic congestion. FEMA expects to station thousands of mobile homes in Baton Rouge for evacuees.


Mark Bielski has been staying with friends. Although his house in New Orleans' Uptown district remains intact, he's looking for a Baton Rouge teaching job. He says he'll return to New Orleans "as soon as the lights go on."


Others see Baton Rouge as their new home. Since Katrina, 1,100 houses in the area have sold, according to the local Realtors' association. Apartment vacancy rates slid from 8% to nothing.


Evacuees poured into Houston's Astrodome and other shelters, but nobody in Texas' largest city "knows for sure how many people are here or how long they intend to stay," says Frank Michel, a city spokesman. What they know is that 46,000 former Louisiana residents are living in hotels and motels and 16,000 Louisiana children have registered in Houston schools. The city has found more than 8,000 apartments and houses to accommodate 20,000 people.


Making evacuees feel at home


Many places seemed to open their arms, then worry later about consequences. Arkansas, one of the nation's poorest states, took in more than 75,000 evacuees, second only to Texas. That amounted to more than a 2.5% jump in the state's population, but Gov. Mike Huckabee reminded residents of the help they get after frequent ice storms and tornadoes.

"By golly, we're going to be there to take care of them now," he declared. He said midweek that at least a third of the influx had left.

Other evacuees, particularly those stranded in New Orleans after the storm, ended up farther away. Oklahoma, Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois, North and South Carolina, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, and California each sheltered 2,000 to 4,000. Florida and Georgia each took more than 1,300.

Housing and Urban Development Secretary Alphonso Jackson found that evacuees in Philadelphia "have come to realize they might not go back to New Orleans."

"Of the families I talked to, 90% of the families have no desire to go back," Jackson says. "But that's not what I'm hearing from Texas. It's a whole different perspective."

Perspective may depend on circumstances. The new arrivals at Alabama's Wind Creek State Park get trailers 28 to 32 feet long; some would cost $40,000.

Red Cross volunteers "are helping me get baby clothes," says Suzanne Hughes, 18, from Kiln, Miss. She's 81/2 months pregnant and waiting for her fiancé to arrive.

"It's a really good community ... families that have kids, and the kids get attached to the atmosphere here," Hughes says.

Police officers patrol the park. Evacuees undergo background checks because the park could be home to 1,000 children. Evacuees are being hired as park workers. Sporting goods companies are donating fishing gear. South Central Bell is putting in phone banks, Dell is offering laptops. Cisco is providing Internet service.

"It would turn you into a Christian, even if you weren't," says Arthur Walker, 57, known as "Mr. A" when he worked as a palm reader in New Orleans' Jackson Square.

You don't know what nuclear warheads do, do you?

yea, local contamination, with current low fallout weapons an air burst would render the area uninhabitable for maybe ten or twenty years, increased rate of cancer for another thirty or less, an impact detonation will have much les consequences because of lower dispersion and because water would shield much of the area from contamination

No my question is what do you think dumping E.Coli and petrochemical waste into lake pontchtrain (which feeds into the gulf of Mexico) will do? Does massive fish and algae deaths that affect the world market, contamination of prime ocean front real estate that directly affects millions of americans, mexicans and even caribean islanders that make their living either fishing int he gulf or int he tourist trade sound excessive, because thats a conservative estimate of the damage dumping the waste from new orleans could do. Worst case has the atmospheric oxygen levels dropping (from algae kill offs) whch could cause infants and geriatric with respiratory problems to die. and if the contamination spreads passed the gulf, well, all bets are off.

So, would you rather drop the Bomb and kill a hundred thousand + people and render some realestate worthless for about fifty years, or potential murder countless millions through reckless environmental devestation?
(Of course there is other options, but whatever.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.
I suggest from now on, the politically correct term for African American be Looter. How does that sound to everyone?
Let me be the first to use this new PC term in a sentence.

Anybody notice how well Looters can dance?

(Honestly... I was just listening to the radio and heard the tail end of Bill Cosby's speech on what his feelings were. The disgrace is purely our national response to the situation. A tragedy was made worse by our own ineptness at moving quickly and efficiently after all this loose talk of a safer nation post 9-11. As I heard John Hendrix say after Bill Cosby spoke, "I love New Orleans. And I don't know anyone who doesn't.")

yea, local contamination, with current low fallout weapons an air burst would render the area uninhabitable for maybe ten or twenty years, increased rate of cancer for another thirty or less, an impact detonation will have much les consequences because of lower dispersion and because water would shield much of the area from contamination

No my question is what do you think dumping E.Coli and petrochemical waste into lake pontchtrain (which feeds into the gulf of Mexico) will do? Does massive fish and algae deaths that affect the world market, contamination of prime ocean front real estate that directly affects millions of americans, mexicans and even caribean islanders that make their living either fishing int he gulf or int he tourist trade sound excessive, because thats a conservative estimate of the damage dumping the waste from new orleans could do. Worst case has the atmospheric oxygen levels dropping (from algae kill offs) whch could cause infants and geriatric with respiratory problems to die. and if the contamination spreads passed the gulf, well, all bets are off.

So, would you rather drop the Bomb and kill a hundred thousand + people and render some realestate worthless for about fifty years, or potential murder countless millions through reckless environmental devestation?
(Of course there is other options, but whatever.
Dropping a nuclear warhead on NO will make the Gulf of Mexico radioactive. Far more than a few hundred thousand people will die. Every thing you said that E. coli would do to the Gulf of Mexico would happen with a nuclear warhead. And radioactivity would actually kill algae, unlike E. coli, which doesn't affect plants.

Water is a very effective radiation shield, no body of water will ever 'become radioactive' without some bending of the physical laws that govern such things. and even if somehow it did hapen, the contamination wouldn't spread out side the gulf, whereas an E.coli infestation offers no such guarantee.

It kills me everytime I hear about Rescue choppers being shot at by the rebels. :mad: I mean, how stupid can you be you morons? They are the people that are trying to save you....what idiots. Everytime someone in the media mentions NO I hang my head in shame, and regret that President Bush didn't have the Balls to immediately suspend the POsse Comitatus and send in the 82nd Airborne to deal with the Rebels.

Not only are the thugs who are running NO a menace to aid workers, but they are rebelling against the government of Louisianna and the Federal Government. Now, normally (as you know) I am totally against the government, but this is one area where the Gub'mint cannot take any lip from anyone. They've got to pacify the rebellion in NO and bring this whole national disgrace to an end. The Russians have Chechnya, we have our New Orleans.

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I apologize, but I find this view and all those behind it extremely disgusting. What arrogance it takes to believe that if your entire life were being washed away, you would not behave in ways that were wild and abnormal to you. If you were trying to protect your children, your home, your spouse, your pets, and keep everyone fed and hydrated under these circumstances you wouldn't suffer temporary insanity? Shame on you. Shame on you all. You are a worse disgrace than those poor souls.