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Who's Better/Not Worse?

McCarthy. He destroyed peoples' lives and ruined their reputations for years, and wielded almost unimaginable power during his reign of terror. He was a disgrace to America.

Hillary's a bitch, and she's a shameless self promoter (the GTA fiasco, most recently), but nowhere near as bad as Uncle Joe.

now come on, this is a bit extreme, isn't it? i know conservatives have a knee-jerk hatred of all things clinton, and that progressives are ticked off at hillery for being such a timid moderate now that she's in an actual elected office, but McCarthy? the alcoholic paranoid who held a country hostage with baseless acusations and fearmongering? i should hope this doesn't lead to a real debate...

McCarthy. He destroyed peoples' lives and ruined their reputations for years, and wielded almost unimaginable power during his reign of terror. He was a disgrace to America.

Hillary's a bitch, and she's a shameless self promoter (the GTA fiasco, most recently), but nowhere near as bad as Uncle Joe.
She's a politicians so it's redundant to say she's a shameless self-promoter.

The big Joe. While Hillary is a bitch, Joe took adventage of an age of intense paranoia by accusing opponents of supporting communism and the Soviet dictatorship. He was quite successful and even led to the executions of many. He lost all credibility when he accused the American army of being a breeding ground of communists.

She's a politicians so it's redundant to say she's a shameless self-promoter.

I do believe a ZING is nessecary here.

She's a politicians so it's redundant to say she's a shameless self-promoter.

ZING! But also 100% true...politicians are good at one thing only, and that's it.

Joe did what he thought was right to protect America from communism.
Hillary is a communist who would destroy America.:eek:

Joe did what he thought was right to protect America from communism.
Hillary is a communist who would destroy America.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Saying politics is about self-promotion is like saying the sky is blue and wind is air that is moving.

Neither is good. If I had to pick between the two I would say McCarthy is worse, because Clinton is only trying to censor video games, and McCarthy was attacking the more important right, the one to beleive what you want pollitically,

Joe did what he thought was right to protect America from communism.
Hillary is a communist who would destroy America.:eek:

Sometimes I do wonder if Americans really know what a communist is, if they would call Hillary one...

Sometimes I do wonder if Americans really know what a communist is, if they would call Hillary one...

Well... We apparently think the sun rotates around the earth... So why would we know what a communist is?

Sometimes I do wonder if Americans really know what a communist is, if they would call Hillary one...
That's what happens when you think in terms of left-right and othe such nonsense.

Sometimes I do wonder if Americans really know what a communist is, if they would call Hillary one...

Of course I know what a communist is, after all I grew up in the McCarthy era. :D

Hillary's a biatch.

Joe was more of a case of burning down your house to kill a den of poisonous snakes in the basement. A 'lil too extreme, but nonetheless the threat from the USSR was still very real, and he forced people to examine that threat.

ann coulter is going to resurrect joe mccarthy with an arcane occult ritual, and will subsequently give birth to Captain America. then the world will end.

she will, of course, have to rape him, as he was, without doubt, a homo.

Joe is a case of pointing fingers at enemies and hoping they really are comunist. Clinton is a case of being one, but not the other. She does raise interesting points, but her overall points are often wrong. It's like putting together some rights and getting a wrong in the end.

Joe did what he thought was right to protect America from communism.
Hillary is a communist who would destroy America.:eek:
Is it just me or have you recently turned into a right-wing radical? I thought I remember you being moderate before.

Of course I know what a communist is, after all I grew up in the McCarthy era.
Surely then such bias and brainwashing means you don't know what a communist is. Just because McCarthy said that Democrats = communists doesn't make it true.

Is it just me or have you recently turned into a right-wing radical? I thought I remember you being moderate before.

No, I'm still a moderate Republican, but I am very anti-Clinton. Hillary is a left winger who is trying to make it look like she is a moderate so she can run for President.


Surely then such bias and brainwashing means you don't know what a communist is. Just because McCarthy said that Democrats = communists doesn't make it true.

Not all Democrats = Communist. Most of the left wing Democrats like Hillary, Teddy, and John are pretty close to + Communist.

god save my soul I'm a filthy stinking communist hellbent on destroying america in a drug induced rage please imprison me

Sometimes I do wonder if Americans really know what a communist is, if they would call Hillary one...

Communist:
A communist is anyone who severly annoys you. Like if they do vote the wrong way ... COMMUNIST! If they point out that you aren't making any sense ... COMMUNIST! If they drive at 20 mph on the left side of the road ... COMMUNIST! If they make your sandwich the wrong way at the deli ... COMMUNIST!
Synonyms for this are: Gay, Jerk, Moron, Ass, and So Dead.

~ The Great American Language Book of Language and Stuff

Who's Better/Not Worse?

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? I remind you that you're under oath."

I can only hope that the poll results are so close because people had trouble understanding the poll question.

It's like asking... well, there are no comparisons that aren't hyperboles such as this one.

Hillary is a left winger who is trying to make it look like she is a moderate so she can run for President.

No. She's a Communist. Stalinist per say.

If you hate GTA, you aren't a real American. Nuff said.

Not all Democrats = Communist. Most of the left wing Democrats like Hillary, Teddy, and John are pretty close to + Communist.

Are you retarded? No, that's not an insult, it's a serious question.
Do you just open your mouth and spout what you think sounds correct?

Do you know what communism is? Do you know what "left wing" is? How do you pull this shit out of your ass and expect to be taken seriously?

You need to seriously consider what you're saying before you post.
Liberal Democrats are not "pretty close" to communists, if anything they're pretty close to democratic socialists.

If you said, "Fringe leftist politicians (ha! they're moderate by international standards) are similar to socialists," I would have given you some slack. That's like the stretch of saying "Neoconvservatives are similar to fascists."
While both are extreme exaggerations, there are some marked similarities to both. But communists? Give me a break.

No! No! BUMP!

I won't let this topic go down with it being 50/50!

How the hell can any of you think Hillary Clinton, or any politician of today's time for that matter (even neoconservatives) is even remotely comparable to Joseph McCarthy?!!

Someone please justify this lapse in common sense. Now.

Joe was a politician. Period.
Hillary is a politician. Period.

Joe was more of a case of burning down your house to kill a den of poisonous snakes in the basement. A 'lil too extreme, but nonetheless the threat from the USSR was still very real, and he forced people to examine that threat.

More like firebombing your entire town to stop a possible termite infestation in your house.

Someone please justify this lapse in common sense. Now.
I think part of it might be that some people seem to have read the poll as though it was asking who is worse rather than who is better.
These posts led me to believe that:
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577071&postcount=2
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577109&postcount=5

McCarthy. He destroyed peoples' lives and ruined their reputations for years, and wielded almost unimaginable power during his reign of terror. He was a disgrace to America.

Hillary's a bitch, and she's a shameless self promoter (the GTA fiasco, most recently), but nowhere near as bad as Uncle Joe.
Hillary Clinton. She helped destroy peoples' lives and ruined their reputations for years, and wielded almost unimaginable power during her reign of terror. She is a disgrace to America.

McCarthy was an asshole, and he was a shameless self promoter.
They are the same repugnant animal.

Antre_Travarious']Hillary Clinton. She helped destroy peoples' lives and ruined their reputations for years, and wielded almost unimaginable power during her reign of terror. She is a disgrace to America.

Sources for that? Right now it seems like the paranoid bullshit spewed by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.

Not all Democrats = Communist. Most of the left wing Democrats like Hillary, Teddy, and John are pretty close to + Communist.
Not even socialist. None of them want to do away with capitalism. Thus they are nowhere close to communism, socialism or even Stalinism.

I've never heard Hillary Clinton do anything left-wing, besides the universal health care scheme, which I think was her opportunity to fulfil what people had voted Democrats into power for.

If you're saying with honesty that any Democrats are communists, I would say you are a fool. But I'll give you more credit than that; you've lived to this ripe old age. I would say you are a right-wing radical to have such a skewed viewpoint. I also remember you saying things in the past which mark you out as an über-conservative, such as beliefs along the lines of, income tax and homosexuality should be outlawed, "John McCain is an outright leftist" and that McCarthy was a good guy.

I don't know why Republicans hate Clinton so much. IMO, the left has much better reason to hate Bill Clinton. Just ask Vetalia on this forum, hardly a socialist!

I think part of it might be that some people seem to have read the poll as though it was asking who is worse rather than who is better.
These posts led me to believe that:
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577071&postcount=2
http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577109&postcount=5

Those were my thoughts as well, thence
I can only hope that the poll results are so close because people had trouble understanding the poll question."
But still, I won't even stand for one vote for McCarthy. It's just beyond reason. Not even [most of] the neoconservatives of today are as devastating as he was. I mean, they have the propensity to be, sure, but McCarthy actually was.

Mine eyes have seen the coming of another Commie hoard
If I hold them off alone, Hot Fun is my reward
"Please engage the menace, Citizen" I hear on my comcord
When will the Vultures arrive?

Chorus:

Glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
My clone keeps marching on!

The Commies are on all sides now, and I'll soon be overrun
I try to open fire, but there's a malfunction with my gun
So I throw a nuke grenade, and I turn tail and run
When will the Vultures arrive?

Chorus:

Glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
My clone keeps marching on!

The Commies are all dead now, and for that I'm real glad;
My geiger-counter indicates I took a 1000 Rad
I tell Friend Computer, and he says that's not too bad
When will the Docbot arrive?

Chorus:

Glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
glory, glory, hail Computer
My clone keeps marching on!

Are you retarded? No, that's not an insult, it's a serious question.
Do you just open your mouth and spout what you think sounds correct?

Do you know what communism is? Do you know what "left wing" is? How do you pull this shit out of your ass and expect to be taken seriously?

You need to seriously consider what you're saying before you post.
Liberal Democrats are not "pretty close" to communists, if anything they're pretty close to democratic socialists.

If you said, "Fringe leftist politicians (ha! they're moderate by international standards) are similar to socialists," I would have given you some slack. That's like the stretch of saying "Neoconvservatives are similar to fascists."
While both are extreme exaggerations, there are some marked similarities to both. But communists? Give me a break.

Ahh! The old left wing "attach the individual not the idea" trick. I just love it when left-wingers do that.

Yes, at my age I do know what a Communist is, and yes Hillary et al are very close to being Communist. Not quite there yet, but working on it. What I find hypocritical is they want to take my money and your money and redistribute it through Washington, however they are not willing to give up any part of their wealth and live like middle income people.

I also remember you saying things in the past which mark you out as an über-conservative, such as beliefs along the lines of, income tax and homosexuality should be outlawed, "John McCain is an outright leftist" and that McCarthy was a good guy.

Nope, I never said the income tax or homosexuality should be outlawed. I did say the John McCain and Joe Lieberman would make a good presidential ticket. I never said McCarthy was a good guy, and I never said he was a bad guy either.

You must have me confused with someone else.

Alright, Joesph McCarthy did ruin people's lives, but I don't care.

Now, Hillary FUCKING TOUCHED GTA.

I don't care, if you're massacring millions of innocents, BUT WHEN YOU TOUCH MY GTA, YOU'RE GOING TOO FAR.

I'm ok with Bill Clinton.

I'm not too happy on how he didn't intervene with Rwanda, but the fact that he cheated on Hillary makes it up.

I voted McCarthy... Because I thought it said McCain...

Damn

I voted McCarthy... Because I thought it said McCain...

Damn

ROFLMAO. I gotta sig that.

But still, how did so many people vote Hillary? I hope to god they misread the qusetion. :(