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"Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush's handling of the relief operation to rescue Hurricane Katrina survivors in America's Deep South.

Moore grabbed international acclaim with his Fahrenheit 9/11 expose of Bush's actions in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks - and he is equally unimpressed with the President's behaviour in the wake of the biggest natural disaster to hit the US in years.

Moore says in an open letter published on his website: "Dear Mr Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted.

"Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

"I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticise you for this - after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?" "


It seems there is a documentary in the making...God bless mr. Moore!

I have yet to see any Democrats step up and try and get things moving down there, so both parties' conduct is equally as poor and disgraceful in my opinion. All the more proof that the people running our country are a disgrace, and put politics before lives.

I hate Michael Moore. I mean at this point hes just creating straw men so he can blame Bush. He blames Bush for EVERYTHING! Hes an idiot.

I notice Mr. Moore hasn't volunteer any of his time to the relief effort. Has he even donated some of his considerable wealth to the relief effort?

I don't like Micheal Moore...grrr :mad:

Maybe Moore should get off of his fat ass (if he can extricate it from his nice comfey leather office chair) and bloody well do something.
But no, that would require physical effort! Aside from rabble rousing tours and so forth.

This doesn't surprise me. I have no love for Dubya, but to be frank, Moore can always find some way to blame everything on him.

I have no real respect for Moore.

Hmmm....I don't really think it's fault on a federal level to be honest. It seems more of a statewide issue. Where were all the precautionary measures? The retention walls in New Orleans were 40 yrs old, and that won;t stop a CAT 5...and FEMA blows, yes, I know, I'm from south Florida, was hit by four hurricane slast year, a month and a half without power. FEMA still owes some of those people money. It's all a matter of budgeting, and on top of all this, the idiots who didnt leave!

there's nothing worse than a city destroyed by a Hurricane here's the finger to you Bush :upyours:

OMG!!!!!11!

Bush made the hurricane hit America so he could start another war! Obviously he did this so he could convince the Senate to approve the war against the gods.

Let's eat his flesh. :)

Very Tacky Mr.Moore Very Tacky. Wait until it's over before trying to capitalize on it, what an Ass. I'm impressed that he did that 9\11 movie but this is a little too far, too early.

Let's eat his flesh. :)who Moore's? nah, While I agree it will keep those suffereing right now stuffed for days, the fat content itself will clog the arteries of an olympic athlete.

Hmmm....I don't really think it's fault on a federal level to be honest. It seems more of a statewide issue. Where were all the precautionary measures? The retention walls in New Orleans were 40 yrs old, and that won;t stop a CAT 5...and FEMA blows, yes, I know, I'm from south Florida, was hit by four hurricane slast year, a month and a half without power. FEMA still owes some of those people money. It's all a matter of budgeting, and on top of all this, the idiots who didnt leave!
It is a matter of budgeting...and Bush taking away $71.2 million from the budget of New Orleans Corps of Engineers in June and giving it to Homeland Security--which does absolutely nothing beneficial--didn't help much.

The New Orleans CityBusiness reported that the 44% reduction meant that "major hurricane and flood projects [would] not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now."

Also, about 35% of Louisiana's National Guard is serving in Iraq and they are traditionally used to deal with natural disasters and such. Furthermore, Walter Maestri, the emergency management cheif for Jefferson Parish, said last year about reinforcement of the now-broken levees, "It appears that the money has been moved to the president's budget to handle homeland security." So this accusation that Bush was partially the to blame for the extent of the damage cannot be totally dismissed. Also, he just sat on his ass for a couple days after the fact, as it was after four days that he began to give his bullshit "im sorry/we're workin' hard" speeches. Reminds me a bit like his reaction to 9/11. You know, him staring off into space for 7 minutes while waiting for his aides to come and tell him what to do.

And four out of five of "the idiots that didn't leave" don't own a car. The evactuation relied solely on private transportation, no busses or mass transit was utilized to evacuate those that didn't have a car, mostly African Americans.

Let's eat his flesh. :)
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Moore makes me want to :headbang:

OMG!!!!!11!

Bush made the hurricane hit America so he could start another war! Obviously he did this so he could convince the Senate to approve the war against the gods.

Well, Bush did cut FEMA...and there are all those Nation Guardsmen that are for some reason unavailable. Oops, almost forgot that Bush cut over $71 million from the budget of the Louisiana Corps of Engineers.

I find it interesting that the extent of the criticism of Moore is once again "he's fat!" and "I hate him," and "why isn't he doing anything?" As if it's Moore's job to coordinate disaster relief...let's see, whose job is it, ultimately, to coordinate a response to a national disaster...hmmm?

Perhaps I'd have more respect for that stance if you actually addressed Moore's points. I mean, since they're nonsense to begin with, they should be easily debunked, right? Right?

I didn't mean it like that I apologize. and yes, the reason theres no money for FEMA is because us republicans are horrible with budgets...i know that. And the idiots that didnt leave thing, dude they had like four days warning....the fault lies within the state government, no one elses really, for not taking the necessary precautions if u look at it. Now they want 500 buses, but where were the requests for 500 buses three days before it happened?

Michael Moore has got a point, why did Bush go to San Diego after the hurricane hit? Shouldn't he have went somewhere at least near New Orleans to show his support? Also they're afraid to admit it, but many of the military choppers were in Iraq and Bush makes stumbling excuses why relief was so slow.

Americans, I respect your right to elect a president, but at least make it a good President next time.

Well, Bush did cut FEMA...and there are all those Nation Guardsmen that are for some reason unavailable. Oops, almost forgot that Bush cut over $71 million from the budget of the Louisiana Corps of Engineers.

I find it interesting that the extent of the criticism of Moore is once again "he's fat!" and "I hate him," and "why isn't he doing anything?" As if it's Moore's job to coordinate disaster relief...let's see, whose job is it, ultimately, to coordinate a response to a national disaster...hmmm?

Perhaps I'd have more respect for that stance if you actually addressed Moore's points. I mean, since they're nonsense to begin with, they should be easily debunked, right? Right?

The National Guard are under STATE control, not Bush's. Also, Moore could've at least taken some money from his wealth and donated it. But *gasp* he might have to cut back on hamburgers if he did that! :rolleyes:

I didn't mean it like that I apologize. and yes, the reason theres no money for FEMA is because us republicans are horrible with budgets...i know that. And the idiots that didnt leave thing, dude they had like four days warning....the fault lies within the state government, no one elses really, for not taking the necessary precautions if u look at it. Now they want 500 buses, but where were the requests for 500 buses three days before it happened?

If the government got wind of an unstoppable terrorist attack that would level your city in three days, you would expect them to take initiative and make sure everyone in your city survives, right? Or does the government just not care about the lives of the people?

I didn't mean it like that I apologize. and yes, the reason theres no money for FEMA is because us republicans are horrible with budgets...i know that. And the idiots that didnt leave thing, dude they had like four days warning....the fault lies within the state government, no one elses really, for not taking the necessary precautions if u look at it. Now they want 500 buses, but where were the requests for 500 buses three days before it happened?

:rolleyes: Yeah, those idiots...people who didn't have cars, people too sick to move, families with tiny children who chose to stick together.

Let's not forget those people who believed God would save them, or who have so little trust in science that they don't believe in weather casts, a heliocentric solar system or evolution.

An excellent response (http://rwdb.blogspot.com/2005/09/big-bullshitter-blames-bush.html) to Moore's letter:

BIG BULLSHITTER BLAMES BUSH

Having grown up in south Texas I've always taken notice of hurricanes and still do even though I now live on the other side of the world. So, I watched Katrina's progress from the time she was a tropical storm first threatening Florida. It really was quite a relief when Katrina struck Florida as only a category 1 storm.

Accuweather.com forecasters on Fox News predicted Katrina would track out into the Gulf of Mexico only briefly before she turned north, probably hitting the Florida panhandle or the Alabama coast. This was good news because the longer Katrina spent over the hot water of the Gulf, the stronger she'd likely be when she came ashore. But, as we all know, predicting hurricane tracks is not an exact science, so where she would actually make landfall on the Gulf coast was anyone's guess.

It was therefore something of a surprise to read the following in an open letter to the President from Michael Moore:

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

This brings up several obvious points. Moore's presence certainly explains Katrina's rapid weakening over Florida. I mean, the guy's gotta be the world's largest living wind-break.

I don't know where Moore got the news flash - not on Thursday, August 25, anyway – that Katrina was was going to hit New Orleans but it certainly wasn't from the National Hurricane Center. As far as I can tell, the NCH doesn't mention until the 26th that the New Orleans area would likely be hit. Perhaps, Tim "Fact-Check-Boy" Lambert, who's obsessive about accuracy, could check this out and get back to us, if he can tear himself away from fact-checking Mark Steyn's opinion pieces.

Moore also has a problem with the apparent shortage of National Guardsmen on the ground:

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

James S. Robbins at National Review says there is no shortage of forces:

So is the war in Iraq causing troop shortfalls for hurricane relief in New Orleans?

In a word, no.

A look at the numbers should dispel that notion. Take the Army for example. There are 1,012,000 soldiers on active duty, in the Reserves, or in the National Guard. Of them, 261,000 are deployed overseas in 120 countries. Iraq accounts for 103,000 soldiers, or 10.2 percent of the Army.

That’s all? Yes, 10.2 percent. That datum is significant in itself, a good one to keep handy the next time someone talks about how our forces are stretched too thin, our troops are at the breaking point, and so forth. If you add in Afghanistan (15,000) and the support troops in Kuwait (10,000) you still only have 12.6 percent.

So where are the rest? 751,000 (74.2 percent) are in the U.S. About half are active duty, and half Guard and Reserve. The Guard is the real issue of course — the Left wants you to believe that the country has been denuded of its citizen soldiers, and that Louisiana has suffered inordinately because Guardsmen and women who would have been available to be mobilized by the state to stop looting and aid in reconstruction are instead risking their lives in Iraq.

Not hardly. According to Lieutenant General H. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, 75 percent of the Army and Air National Guard are available nationwide. In addition, the federal government has agreed since the conflict in Iraq started not to mobilize more than 50 percent of Guard assets in any given state, in order to leave sufficient resources for governors to respond to emergencies.

Moore even attempts to use the tragedy to paint Bush a racist:

It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

The latest BEST OF THE WEB TODAY has this covered with census figures showing that, of the Louisiana parishes and Mississippi counties most affected by Katrina, only Orleans parish is majority black. It's obviously Bush's fault were not seeing anything of the whites whose lives have been devastated.

Gee, the essentials of Moore's letter are nothing more than the same old tired bullshit from the lying, hating fat f*ck. It's hardly surprising then that Antony "Leftard" Loewenstein is all a-gush about Moore:

Moore is always worth a read as he's mastered the knack of making political dissent relevant, timely and populist...

The left still considers Moore relevant; no wonder they're irrelevant.

Well, Bush did cut FEMA...and there are all those Nation Guardsmen that are for some reason unavailable. Oops, almost forgot that Bush cut over $71 million from the budget of the Louisiana Corps of Engineers.
Yeah, Bush should have predicted the future so he could adequately fund and prepare an entire coast for an unknown disaster. He should also make this money appear out of nowhere.

I mean, since he knew ahead of time, he could have pulled more money out of education or something so he could help with relief.

I hear that Moore is criticizing Bush, but what has Moore done to help? Has he donated anything? Money? Blood? At least Bush did something. Plus, Moore criticized Bush for daudling for 7 minutes on 9/11 when even Kerry admits that Congress didn't do anything for 45 minutes. Seriously, this is no time for politics. I agree that Bush should have done more, but Louisiana it also at fault. There were many unused school buses in NO. Maybe those would have helped? Plus, I got word that the levees damaged by Katrina were the "undamaged" ones. I think NO should be a ghost town as a reminder that you should check the soil and sea level before building a city.

:rolleyes: Yeah, those idiots...people who didn't have cars, people too sick to move, families with tiny children who chose to stick together.

Let's not forget those people who believed God would save them, or who have so little trust in science that they don't believe in weather casts, a heliocentric solar system or evolution.
Let's not forget those who decided to drink until the storm got there... those who thought people were making a bid deal out of nothing. Partying was so much more important than survival. :rolleyes:

Let's not forget those who decided to drink until the storm got there... those who thought people were making a bid deal out of nothing. Partying was so much more important than survival. :rolleyes:
Kinda like how Bush went to San Diego the day after it happened to go "party with his business friends" instead of help with the relief effort? And every individual has a choice--that was their choice to stay and drink instead of leave even if they could. But I think I speak for the majority of the refugees when I say they wanted to leave but couldn't.

The National Guard are under STATE control, not Bush's. Also, Moore could've at least taken some money from his wealth and donated it. But *gasp* he might have to cut back on hamburgers if he did that! :rolleyes:

Ah, I assume you have proof that Moore hasn't donated? Has Bush donated any of his personal fortune?

The National Guard is under state control, true. Too bad over 1/3 of LA's National Guardsmen are overseas. Too bad countless helicopters are elsewhere as well. Too bad FEMA was absorbed by Homeland Security and has become a beaurocratic sinkhole.

Ah, I assume you have proof that Moore hasn't donated? Has Bush donated any of his personal fortune?

The National Guard is under state control, true. Too bad over 1/3 of LA's National Guardsmen are overseas. Too bad countless helicopters are elsewhere as well. Too bad FEMA was absorbed by Homeland Security and has become a beaurocratic sinkhole.

Yea, but 8,000 Guardsmen were at the governer control. They also had alot of equipment left behind for those 8,000 Guardsmen.

I hear that Moore is criticizing Bush, but what has Moore done to help? Has he donated anything? Money? Blood? At least Bush did something. Plus, Moore criticized Bush for daudling for 7 minutes on 9/11 when even Kerry admits that Congress didn't do anything for 45 minutes. Seriously, this is no time for politics. I agree that Bush should have done more, but Louisiana it also at fault. There were many unused school buses in NO. Maybe those would have helped? Plus, I got word that the levees damaged by Katrina were the "undamaged" ones. I think NO should be a ghost town as a reminder that you should check the soil and sea level before building a city.

Dude, I'm sorry, but that is the weakest argument ever. Congress is not the Commander in Chief. They do not have the power to act unilaterally. Bush, on the other hand, has the power to scramble air defenses all by his lonesome. Sorry to be insulting, but that argument only comes from a position of ignorance.

Yea, but 8,000 Guardsmen were at the governer control. They also had alot of equipment left behind for those 8,000 Guardsmen.

I agree that the LA Governor (a Democrat) failed to adequately prepare. That doesn't mean that Bush is off the hook. The actions of his administration lead directly to several things that have made this tragedy worse

I have yet to see any Democrats step up and try and get things moving down there, so both parties' conduct is equally as poor and disgraceful in my opinion. All the more proof that the people running our country are a disgrace, and put politics before lives.

I have no axe to grind on this issue. Both houses of Congress and the White House seem to be in the hands of one party. When national disasters strike, as they tend to do from time to time, the party in power has the say about where to direct national resources. The mayor of New Orleans who, I presume, is a Democrat does not have the power to assign the state or the national guard units to relief efforts. The dikes should not have broken but monies were not available for the much needed repair. Even major efforts to bring food and medicines to a shattered population (those who couldn't escape owing to lack of transportation) depend on the state and the national governments (and in a pinch - the various charitable organisations), but for that you do need massive assistance. Unfortunately, the national guard of most states in that region happen to be abroad right now. And much of the monies normally spent on efforts for disaster relief are now releaving the disaster in Iraq. Charity in the USA evidently does not begin at home!

Michael Moor is considered fat by Americans? But he looks like two-thirds of the Americans I've met in person...

As I said on another forum where this was brought up...

Good for Michael Moore. Maybe he can capitalize on this tragedy to make millions on another fake documentary. :rolleyes:

Hmmm....I don't really think it's fault on a federal level to be honest. It seems more of a statewide issue. Where were all the precautionary measures? The retention walls in New Orleans were 40 yrs old, and that won;t stop a CAT 5...and FEMA blows, yes, I know, I'm from south Florida, was hit by four hurricane slast year, a month and a half without power. FEMA still owes some of those people money. It's all a matter of budgeting, and on top of all this, the idiots who didnt leave!

You mean the idiots who couldn't leave. Despite how easy your life has probably been, try to understand that not everyone in this country has the means to leave there homes when disaster strikes. If people couldn't afford taxis out of the city then what makes you think they had other avenues of escape? There is such a thing as poverty, not sure if you've ever heard of it. :rolleyes:

Honestly I don't really care about Moores comments this issue is one for America to sort out internally...however why when people disagree with Moore the first thing (only?) thing they call him is fat? Well that makes him like 90% of America...so what else. That's the problem with the anti-moore camp, sure his films are biast, but until his critics can cmoe up with something ore than "he's fat" I'll ignore their comments more than Moores, because at least the guy has some sort of arguement and sets it out well.

the part about all of this that pisses me off is when everyone starts to point fingers. because u know what, EVERYONE SCREWED UP. yes even the people down in new orleans. as heartless as it sounds, do you know what a manditory evacuation means? and yes you can use your own feet to walk out of the city. enough people have already blamed bush for this so i'm going to blame someone else. if there is any government figure to blame i say it is the mayor of new orleans. check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-the-Astrodome

at least 500 school busses were left to be trashed in the storm that could have been used to save lives. all fueled. all ready to run. before they were drowned in 6 ft of water. 500 busses x 100 people is 50000 people evacuated from the city before katrina hit.

everyone fucked up. it was a NATURAL DISASTER. it happens. so let's stop placing blame and figure out how to fix the damn thing.

Moore is a bloated sack of shit liar. Whatever he says, thee opposite is probably true.

I have yet to see any Democrats step up and try and get things moving down there, so both parties' conduct is equally as poor and disgraceful in my opinion. All the more proof that the people running our country are a disgrace, and put politics before lives.

here here!

the part about all of this that pisses me off is when everyone starts to point fingers. because u know what, EVERYONE SCREWED UP. yes even the people down in new orleans. as heartless as it sounds, do you know what a manditory evacuation means? and yes you can use your own feet to walk out of the city. enough people have already blamed bush for this so i'm going to blame someone else. if there is any government figure to blame i say it is the mayor of new orleans. check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-the-Astrodome

at least 500 school busses were left to be trashed in the storm that could have been used to save lives. all fueled. all ready to run. before they were drowned in 6 ft of water. 500 busses x 100 people is 50000 people evacuated from the city before katrina hit.

everyone fucked up. it was a NATURAL DISASTER. it happens. so let's stop placing blame and figure out how to fix the damn thing.Right on!
(Hand over Rice crispy Treat... sorry out of cookies.)

the part about all of this that pisses me off is when everyone starts to point fingers. because u know what, EVERYONE SCREWED UP. yes even the people down in new orleans. as heartless as it sounds, do you know what a manditory evacuation means? and yes you can use your own feet to walk out of the city.

No you can't. The residents were given about a day to evacuate. So assuming the car-less ones took off on foot, walking all day at a pace of 2 miles/hr, they would still have been only 50 miles away from New Orleans and without shelter when Katrina struck the Gulf Coast. The hurricane had a diameter of 400 miles, so they'd have been out in the open getting hit by 150 mph sustained winds with gusts of 200 mph. Those winds snap trees like twigs and are not survivable.

So no they were fucked either way. Pretty much left to choose how they'd die.

Antre_Travarious']Moore is a bloated sack of shit liar. Whatever he says, thee opposite is probably true.
Wow, do you post on /. as an Anonymous Coward?

Actually, Michael Moore doesn't really need to say anything. Everyone knows roughly what he'll say on any given subject before he opens his pie hole.

Let's see:

Liberals blame just about EVERYTHING on Bush, so there goes there credibility.

Moore can blame Bush all he wants, but actions speak much louder than political-powered hate. Maybe if he publicly helps the victims somehow, other
than pointing fingers, he'd gain more popularity.

Not everyone who stayed behind were poor or lower-middle class. Quite a few people decided to stay because they could.

What about the unused busses? I'm sure they COULD have been used to evacuate people.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/Indy83/cunning1.jpg
That's for those attacking me with points already refuted.

I didn't mean it like that I apologize. and yes, the reason theres no money for FEMA is because us republicans are horrible with budgets...i know that. And the idiots that didnt leave thing, dude they had like four days warning....the fault lies within the state government, no one elses really, for not taking the necessary precautions if u look at it. Now they want 500 buses, but where were the requests for 500 buses three days before it happened?
On a desk in Washington DC collecting dust.

Also it's nice that those buses can drive themseleves right? They don't need any drivers right? Even if you took all of those buses it wouldn't be enough to evacuate the ENTIRE CITY.

Some is better than none and more is better than less.

Some is better than none and more is better than less.however, I'll always take Less of Moore.

I read some report where they were blaming the hurricane on Bush. Not the aftermath, not problems surrounding the hurricane. The actual hurricane. Bush's bad environmental policies caused the hurricane to happen. It's all Bush's fault.

So now being the president is equal to being God. Cuz of course, the president controls the weather.

The Bush bashing is getting pathetic.

Hmmm....I don't really think it's fault on a federal level to be honest. It seems more of a statewide issue. Where were all the precautionary measures? The retention walls in New Orleans were 40 yrs old, and that won;t stop a CAT 5...and FEMA blows, yes, I know, I'm from south Florida, was hit by four hurricane slast year, a month and a half without power. FEMA still owes some of those people money. It's all a matter of budgeting, and on top of all this, the idiots who didnt leave!

Bush was the one who de-funded the levee construction project on the grounds of the Iraq war and his tax cuts.

By the day of Moore's writing FEMA the federal agency specifically set up for such things had done nothing.

Moore was exactly right to criticize Bush for this. A lot of people seem to think that politics is nothing more than a game of favorites competing for points at the polling places instead of goal posts. While there is an element of that, politics is also the management of a country and its resources, and Bush's has been horrible.

They knew that the levees had not been completed, they knew that the more powerful hurricane in decades was coming. They should have had the national guard with trucks full of relief supplies waiting to descend on Louisiana as soon as the winds died down. Instead, Moore waited 5 days to say anything about it and in response there's a whole page of "I don't like Moore because he points out how stupid and evil I am for supporting Bush."

5 fucking days! The bastard was on vacation throughout the whole damn thing, the exact same thing that got his father panned. You'd think that the only president in living memory to be the son of a president would at least ask the old man for some advice that might come along the lines of "son, if there's a hurricane, don't stay on vacation for a week. That got me into a lot of trouble."

Maybe if Moore's critique of Bush's callous apathy and incompotence bother you, you ought to be mad at Bush for earning that critique rather than Moore for delivering it.

Hey, I think the point Michael Moore is making is that Bush is sending less hurricane relief than he could. A point I've heard is that last year when a hurricane struck on florida, an election swing state, there was Bush right there with all the help he could give. However, now it's just a hurricane tragedy and not an election issue. He's taking his time to help the poor that are stuck there (the rich people who could actually afford gas got out long ago).

Let's see:

Liberals blame just about EVERYTHING on Bush, so there goes there credibility.

Whereas Busheviks will apologize for and excuse anything Bush does despite the shortsightedness of his actions or inactions and the long term costs they inflict (like cutting off the levy repair funds that could have kept New Orleans from turning into Atlantis, LA) and demonize all criticism as liberal lies.

I swear to God the preferential treatment the Bush Administration has received to this point reminds me a great deal of the Family Guy episode where Peter was certified as Mentally Retarded and people everywhere excused his sociopathic behavior whenever he said "I'm Retarded."

Whereas Busheviks will apologize for and excuse anything Bush does despite the shortsightedness of his actions or inactions and the long term costs they inflict (like cutting off the levy repair funds that could have kept New Orleans from turning into Atlantis, LA) and demonize all criticism as liberal lies.

I swear to God the preferential treatment the Bush Administration has received to this point reminds me a great deal of the Family Guy episode where Peter was certified as Mentally Retarded and people everywhere excused his sociopathic behavior whenever he said "I'm Retarded."

Maybe if the liberals were a bit more conservative on what attack Bush for instead of being liberal in just about everything, they'd have more support among Americans. I don't mean they should be more like Bush. By conservative, I mean they should choose more wisely on their attacks so they don't sound like they're crying wolf.

While I have a deep dislike for Bush and Moore has made some good points about out president in the past, I havn't seen anyone in the government respond well to Katrina at all-democrat or republican. Therefore, Moore isn't in much of a position to just blame bush for this disaster.

Last time I checks, Bush can't conjure hurricanes either, unless he found some kind of magical hurricane staff.

While I have a deep dislike for Bush and Moore has made some good points about out president in the past, I havn't seen anyone in the government respond well to Katrina at all-democrat or republican. Therefore, Moore isn't in much of a position to just blame bush for this disaster.

Last time I checks, Bush can't conjure hurricanes either, unless he found some kind of magical hurricane staff.
And it certainly wasn't me because mine broke.

Michael Moore made one good point in his LIFE, and that was F9/11. That was it. Yes, the Preisdent could send more, and more than likely he will. If Michael Moore is going to accuse anyone, he could donate at least $2.89 to the Red Cross.

the part about all of this that pisses me off is when everyone starts to point fingers. because u know what, EVERYONE SCREWED UP. yes even the people down in new orleans. as heartless as it sounds, do you know what a manditory evacuation means? and yes you can use your own feet to walk out of the city. enough people have already blamed bush for this so i'm going to blame someone else. if there is any government figure to blame i say it is the mayor of new orleans. check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-the-Astrodome

at least 500 school busses were left to be trashed in the storm that could have been used to save lives. all fueled. all ready to run. before they were drowned in 6 ft of water. 500 busses x 100 people is 50000 people evacuated from the city before katrina hit.

everyone fucked up. it was a NATURAL DISASTER. it happens. so let's stop placing blame and figure out how to fix the damn thing.

This is so very accurate. Your right! Everyone is to blame for this. From the White House to the Congress to the Governor's office to the Mayor's office. No one person can take full responsibility for this.

*hands you a cookie*

keep it up.

Whereas Busheviks will apologize for and excuse anything Bush does despite the shortsightedness of his actions or inactions and the long term costs they inflict (like cutting off the levy repair funds that could have kept New Orleans from turning into Atlantis, LA) and demonize all criticism as liberal lies.

No, the liberal Democrats and the rest of the Democrats in the Senate voted to cut those funds as well. The Democrats are as responsible for those budget cuts as the Republicans, and it's nothing more than politics to try and blame only one side for it. Not a single Democrat said a word or raised any kind of protest over that, and to say it's Bush's fault is hypocrisy, be the person who said it left or right.

No, the liberal Democrats and the rest of the Democrats in the Senate voted to cut those funds as well. The Democrats are as responsible for those budget cuts as the Republicans, and it's nothing more than politics to try and blame only one side for it. Not a single Democrat said a word or raised any kind of protest over that, and to say it's Bush's fault is hypocrisy, be the person who said it left or right.

Here here Vetalia. Tell it like it is!

As stated before, everyone is at fault.

Here here Vetalia. Tell it like it is!
As stated before, everyone is at fault.

People keep coming in and trying to blame only Bush and the Republicans for this, and that is unfair. Just setting the facts straight. ;)

People keep coming in and trying to blame only Bush and the Republicans for this, and that is unfair. Just setting the facts straight. ;)

But since when do facts mean anything to the liberals? You know they don't like it when facts are use :D

Anyway, your right though. Bush can't have the full blame placed on him. Dems and Reps alike are both responsible for it. Maybe next time, they'll think differently.

Hopefully alot of good will come out of this tragedy.

I would just like to point out that Haliburton has gotten the contract for cleaning up the mess made by Katrina. Ya know, the same Haliburton that Cheney used to be CEO of... the same Haliburton that was accused of all that shady dealing when they were "cleaning" up Iraq... just some food for thought.

Maybe Moore should get off of his fat ass (if he can extricate it from his nice comfey leather office chair) and bloody well do something.

Perhaps he could have plugged the levee break with the aforementioned large body part...

And it certainly wasn't me because mine broke.

Michael Moore made one good point in his LIFE, and that was F9/11. That was it. Yes, the Preisdent could send more, and more than likely he will. If Michael Moore is going to accuse anyone, he could donate at least $2.89 to the Red Cross.

Well, I DO have a magic Magma staff, but I havn't used it in weeks.

EAT FIERY DEATH, LOOTERS!

Well, I DO have a magic Magma staff, but I havn't used it in weeks.

EAT FIERY DEATH, LOOTERS!WTF!!! so you have it... Get your @$$ over to Hawaii and turn off the damn Volcano... Were you not taught to turn off what you turn on to prevent wasteage!

I would just like to point out that Haliburton has gotten the contract for cleaning up the mess made by Katrina. Ya know, the same Haliburton that Cheney used to be CEO of... the same Haliburton that was accused of all that shady dealing when they were "cleaning" up Iraq... just some food for thought.

No, they were hired to repair US Navy shipyards in the region. They have nothing to do with the rebuilding of New Orleans' infrastructure or its levees.

Well, I DO have a magic Magma staff, but I havn't used it in weeks. EAT FIERY DEATH, LOOTERS!

Yeah, well I have a flaming +3 adamantine longsword!

I would just like to point out that Haliburton has gotten the contract for cleaning up the mess made by Katrina. Ya know, the same Haliburton that Cheney used to be CEO of... the same Haliburton that was accused of all that shady dealing when they were "cleaning" up Iraq... just some food for thought.

Can you suggest another company?

Yeah, well I have a flaming +3 adamantine longsword!

Meh, Wouldn't stand a chance against my +5 mist helm and my Sound Katana that has a "Times Two" attacking abilaty.

BONG!

Meh, Wouldn't stand a chance against my +5 mist helm and my Sound Katana that has a "Times Two" attacking abilaty.

BONG!

You're both losers against my +8 Longshot Lightning Bow with a 10% Endurance increase and 30% evasion boost. Not to mention the Dark Void Breastplate, giving me a resistance against light and sound attacks.

So whatev, n00bs. I pwn j00.

...Not to mention the Dark Void Breastplate, giving me a resistance against light and sound attacks....


...but not against the +5 HurriCane Imbued with Whateverelseittakes! Drown!!

But since when do facts mean anything to the liberals? You know they don't like it when facts are use :D

as evidenced by the below, never.


I would just like to point out that Haliburton has gotten the contract for cleaning up the mess made by Katrina. Ya know, the same Haliburton that Cheney used to be CEO of... the same Haliburton that was accused of all that shady dealing when they were "cleaning" up Iraq... just some food for thought.

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"Controversial film-maker Michael Moore..."

Stop here, he is not controversial, he only is for the fascist wing of the republicans. he is a neutral filmaker for the 90% of the rest of the regular world.

You're both losers against my +8 Longshot Lightning Bow with a 10% Endurance increase and 30% evasion boost. Not to mention the Dark Void Breastplate, giving me a resistance against light and sound attacks.

So whatev, n00bs. I pwn j00.

Yeah, well I cast Miracle and have you banished to the Nine Hells! Have fun battling legions of devils and demons...your weapons will some in handy. Pwned!

Stop here, he is not controversial, he only is for the fascist wing of the republicans. he is a neutral filmaker for the 90% of the rest of the regular world.

Talk about not knowing anything about Moore. Here's an example of bad facts that moore would be proud of.

Talk about not knowing anything about Moore. Here's an example of bad facts that moore would be proud of.
Look who is talking! Felt spoken to when it goes about extremist republicans? must be :D

Stop here, he is not controversial, he only is for the fascist wing of the republicans. he is a neutral filmaker for the 90% of the rest of the regular world.

If Moore is neutral I would hate to see biased!

And the movie Ferenhype 9/11 (and just a little bit of common sense) totally dispel all of the lies in Ferenheit 9/11!!

Talk about not knowing anything about Moore. Here's an example of bad facts that moore would be proud of.now now... that was opinion Corneliu... now if velo had brought up a random graph, altered the lines and then said here are the facts, then that would be worthy of Micheal Moore.

Katrina was a failure on all three levels, local state and federal. Though I think its worth noting that many of our former presidents were much quicker to step up to the plate when shit like this happened( Clinton for example, was mobilizing people and getting things done scarcely a day has passed after the Oklahoma City ings.)

Our government is infuriatingly slothful. We had a few days notice that a Category 4 or 5 hurricane was gonna hit the Gulf Coast and did jack squat. And now children are dying and people are fighting(sometimes to the ) over food and water.

Its not like Michael Moores the only figure giving Bush hell about this. A lot of conservative journalists that normally defend him are disgusted.

Wow, do you post on /. as an Anonymous Coward?
Wity.

What do you do for an encore, blame Bush for your lack of education?

sure, the government isnt doing all it should be, and it didnt jump on the ball right away. but thats ALL of the government. wackos like moore just find a way to blame it on one guy. if kerry had won thered be all sorts of people bashing him for the hurricane too. whoever is in charge just gets blamed for stuff that isnt their fault.

bush DOES deserve blame for iraq (obviously) although in my opinion, kerry would not have taken our troops out anyway so we'd be bashing him. (and if he had taken them out it would have been an even bigger fiasco)... and 9/11 was surely not SOLELY bushes fault. it was the fault of many people, including clinton as well and probably bush senior.

wackos like moore just blame every thing on the boss.

Antre_Travarious']Wity.

What do you do for an encore, blame Bush for your lack of education?


No, I blame Bush for not teaching you how to spell "witty".

Apparently, you and he have the same difficulty with language.

sure, the government isnt doing all it should be, and it didnt jump on the ball right away. but thats ALL of the government. wackos like moore just find a way to blame it on one guy. if kerry had won thered be all sorts of people bashing him for the hurricane too. whoever is in charge just gets blamed for stuff that isnt their fault.

bush DOES deserve blame for iraq (obviously) although in my opinion, kerry would not have taken our troops out anyway so we'd be bashing him. (and if he had taken them out it would have been an even bigger fiasco)... and 9/11 was surely not SOLELY bushes fault. it was the fault of many people, including clinton as well and probably bush senior.

wackos like moore just blame every thing on the boss.

Well, it would be nice if the Boss took responsibility for something, ya know? Perhaps it takes someone who goes a bit overboard, like Moore, to make some people move in the correct direction of realizing just how truly awful a President Bush is. Yeah, Moore tries to stick Bush with some stuff that's not really Bush's fault...but that's only to make up for the whole crapload of stuff that Bush has simply gotten away with. Seriously, if you can't see just how incompetent this Administration is...political differences aside...then I lump you in with the 1 in 5 Americans who don't realize that the Earth orbits the Sun.