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I remain unsure as to the interest this will incur, however I thought I'd enquire anyway. With Michael Howard resigning his tenure as party leader in the forseeable future, and numerous eminent conservatives declaring their intent to contest the leadership, who do the forum believe ought to, or will win....

I think it should be Ken Clarke. At least he has personality by comparison to right-wing 'drying paint' David Davis...

I think it should be Ken Clarke. At least he has personality by comparison to right-wing 'drying paint' David Davis...

Indeed, although Boris Johnson would have his merits :D

hopefully someone suprisingly pro-europe and, for the party, leftish.
reason: hopefully the party will split into a moderate conservatives and a right-wing fringe party... means less chance of true rightwingers or thatcherites getting into power again

I think Clarke would probably be better than Davies, as at least people might recognise him from the previous string of our leaders. Howard, although a good politician, has not really connected with anyone. However, he needs to make it clear that he has changed his stannce on Europe. His views on that subject conflict with the majority of the party and could damage it.

hopefully someone suprisingly pro-europe and, for the party, leftish.
reason: hopefully the party will split into a moderate conservatives and a right-wing fringe party... means less chance of true rightwingers or thatcherites getting into power again

Yes.... *sighs* thankyou....

Its a shame that David Cameron is so young and inexperienced or id of said him.

I think Ken might be marginally better than David Davis but Davis' speech after the terror attacks was far better than anything Charles Clarke said, who forgot to thank the rescue workers until Davis did.

Yes.... *sighs* thankyou....
my pleasure ;)
a pleasantly anti-tory viewpoint has to be welcome on any tory related thread, of course :cool:

hopefully someone suprisingly pro-europe and, for the party, leftish.
reason: hopefully the party will split into a moderate conservatives and a right-wing fringe party... means less chance of true rightwingers or thatcherites getting into power again

One of the salient problems with the conservative party in the previous elections, however, has been their relative proximity to labour in policy, and lak of defined philosophy. The fagmentation of the party would only serve to intensify this, and moreover, Thatcher was, to my mind, the greatest British politcian since Churchill, and if anything, the conservative party ought to pursue a similar course to hers, and re-arffirm their position as the right wing alternative.

In response to the leadership, however, I would prefer Clarke, since he possesses the public appeal to counter-act the allure of Blair to the masses, and I share his pro-european sentiments, since it would facilitate our estrangement from the USA.

my pleasure ;)
a pleasantly anti-tory viewpoint has to be welcome on any tory related thread, of course :cool:

*tries to slam door but is overpowered by surge of liberal-minded people*

One of the salient problems with the conservative party in the previous elections, however, has been their relative proximity to labour in policy, and lak of defined philosophy. The fagmentation of the party would only serve to intensify this, and moreover, Thatcher was, to my mind, the greatest British politcian since Churchill, and if anything, the conservative party ought to pursue a similar course to hers, and re-arffirm their position as the right wing alternative.

In response to the leadership, however, I would prefer Clarke, since he possesses the public appeal to counter-act the allure of Blair to the masses, and I share his pro-european sentiments, since it would facilitate our estrangement from the USA.

You talk of "estrangement from the USA" for Europe. That is hardly something Thatcher would have supported. Nor will I.

You talk of "estrangement from the USA" for Europe. That is hardly something Thatcher would have supported. Nor will I.

The modernmarket dictates we ought to do so, since we risk losing all influence in Europe through association with the USA. Ultimately, however, it's a personal sentiment, and I won't try to influence anyone either way.

The modernmarket dictates we ought to do so, since we risk losing all influence in Europe through association with the USA. Ultimately, however, it's a personal sentiment, and I won't try to influence anyone either way.

Yes, fair enough. But Its never been one of our policies, and is unlikely to ever be one.

Yes, fair enough. But Its never been one of our policies, and is unlikely to ever be one.

The USA, Bush and Iraq are highly unpopular in the UK at present, and Clarke's opposition to Iraq may well win us numerous seats in 2009, opposition to the USA would procure even more votes. I am sure speak for all tories in saying that I would alter any policy to oust Labour, if only temporarily.

I think the conservatives should get with the times and put George Galloway in charge. All they do nowadays is moan that they had to buy a yacht instead of a cater marine because there inheritance was taxed, and that immigration from oppressive regimes is bad because the might have to be in the same queue at asda as one of these "foreign undesirables" I mean come on. :)

I think the conservatives should get with the times and put George Galloway in charge. All they do nowadays is moan that they had to buy a yacht instead of a cater marine because there inheritance was taxed, and that immigration from oppressive regimes is bad because the might have to be in the same queue at asda as one of these "foreign undesirables" I mean come on. :)

Yes, I can envisage a socialist MP assuming control of the greatest British political party, who are incidentally RIGHT WING. Furthermore, the sentiments you deride above are entirely justified, most immigrants are incapable of speaking english, and fail to assume a job of worth. Finnaly, inheritance tax is bilge, it ought to be abolished. I'm sure we could reduce immigration numbers and subequent benfits to compensate....

I remain unsure as to the interest this will incur, however I thought I'd enquire anyway. With Michael Howard resigning his tenure as party leader in the forseeable future, and numerous eminent conservatives declaring their intent to contest the leadership, who do the forum believe ought to, or will win....

'Eminent conservatives'... ahh the joy of an oxymoron to start the day

'Eminent conservatives'... ahh the joy of an oxymoron to start the day

Ive been a member of the tories for 2 years now, and ill be voting for clarke.

Ive been a member of the tories for 2 years now, and ill be voting for clarke.

I'll be joining you, although I've been a member for 1 year. Shame Boris Johnson isn't running, he would be superb as PM

I'll be joining you, although I've been a member for 1 year. Shame Boris Johnson isn't running, he would be superb as PM

It is a shame, id vote for him if he were running for the leadership, he has personality, something which makes a good PM!

I never post on these forums, but can I just say that it's such a relief to find some pro-Conservative sentiment, for once! All I ever seem to hear about them is negative comment (mainly in regards to Thatcher's leadership) and it's good to finally hear another viewpoint.

If the members are allowed to vote for the leader (and it's looking as if they will be able to, after all, now) I'll be supporting Clark. But I agree, Boris would be my first choice (closely followed by William Hague, the best Prime Minister we never had). However, I am concerned that it will be Davis who wins - let's not forget who was voted in by us the last time; anyone remember IDS?

I never post on these forums, but can I just say that it's such a relief to find some pro-Conservative sentiment, for once! All I ever seem to hear about them is negative comment (mainly in regards to Thatcher's leadership) and it's good to finally hear another viewpoint.

If the members are allowed to vote for the leader (and it's looking as if they will be able to, after all, now) I'll be supporting Clark. But I agree, Boris would be my first choice (closely followed by William Hague, the best Prime Minister we never had). However, I am concerned that it will be Davis who wins - let's not forget who was voted in by us the last time; anyone remember IDS?

Short, pale, individual with no character or charisma? I do vaguely remember that he used to sit in parliment and generally embaress the party.

I never post on these forums, but can I just say that it's such a relief to find some pro-Conservative sentiment, for once! All I ever seem to hear about them is negative comment (mainly in regards to Thatcher's leadership) and it's good to finally hear another viewpoint.

If the members are allowed to vote for the leader (and it's looking as if they will be able to, after all, now) I'll be supporting Clark. But I agree, Boris would be my first choice (closely followed by William Hague, the best Prime Minister we never had). However, I am concerned that it will be Davis who wins - let's not forget who was voted in by us the last time; anyone remember IDS?

I have the same thoughts, im glad theres at least some people who are tories here. IDS, sounds like a nuclear missile :D he was pathetic, i dont think davies will be as bad but clark would be better, but, id really want boris, he'd give th party something new which can give us the 6% ish that we need in 2009 to get back in. I just hope the majority of conservatives who vote do the sasme way you and me are.

I have the same thoughts, im glad theres at least some people who are tories here. IDS, sounds like a nuclear missile :D he was pathetic, i dont think davies will be as bad but clark would be better, but, id really want boris, he'd give th party something new which can give us the 6% ish that we need in 2009 to get back in. I just hope the majority of conservatives who vote do the sasme way you and me are.

I would, at this juncture, like to make a point of lauding and thanking Michael Howard for bringing the conservative party into a serviceable position through the 2005 election. I firmly believe that had he been in power since 2001, Labour would have been out of office.

I would, at this juncture, like to make a point of lauding and thanking Michael Howard for bringing the conservative party into a serviceable position through the 2005 election. I firmly believe that had he been in power since 2001, Labour would have been out of office.

I agree, in PM questions, he actually argues with blair, not murmer and look at the floor like IDS , labour has had an easy ride untill howard, and now howard has got us 33 seat closer, and labours lost 66, if we pull together, we can win the next one.

My one concern is, tony blair wont be running in 2009, gordon brown will, we have a lot of work to do, people dont like tony, but brown, they wont mind as much.

I agree, in PM questions, he actually argues with blair, not murmer and look at the floor like IDS , labour has had an easy ride untill howard, and now howard has got us 33 seat closer, and labours lost 66, if we pull together, we can win the next one.

My one concern is, tony blair wont be running in 2009, gordon brown will, we have a lot of work to do, people dont like tony, but brown, they wont mind as much.

However, Gordon has all the charisma of a goat, and he is scottish. Not to be racist, but I remain unsure as to how many of the "silent majority" would be willing to vote a scot into office, in comparison to an individual as quintissentially British as Clarke or Johnson.

However, Gordon has all the charisma of a goat, and he is scottish. Not to be racist, but I remain unsure as to how many of the "silent majority" would be willing to vote a scot into office, in comparison to an individual as quintissentially British as Clarke or Johnson.

No Brown's flaws run deeper than that. New Labour has kept its grip because Blair has been so willing to embrace Conservative policies and try to please everyone in a sense. Brown is a far more hard line socialist. He is much further out there on the left wing. This is not something that will probably attract the public, as many of labour's supporters will not wish to elect a man whose idea may potentially damge them economically.
Oh and he does that thing with his jaw ...

No Brown's flaws run deeper than that. New Labour has kept its grip because Blair has been so willing to embrace Conservative policies and try to please everyone in a sense. Brown is a far more hard line socialist. He is much further out there on the left wing. This is not something that will probably attract the public, as many of labour's supporters will not wish to elect a man whose idea may potentially damge them economically.
Oh and he does that thing with his jaw ...

I wasn't going to express it quite like that, but true all the same. We can but hope Prescott starts another fight as well, hopefully in parliment....

However, Gordon has all the charisma of a goat, and he is scottish. Not to be racist, but I remain unsure as to how many of the "silent majority" would be willing to vote a scot into office, in comparison to an individual as quintissentially British as Clarke or Johnson.


lloyd george was welsh :D well, born in manchester, raised in wales. But, gordon isnt a leader i agree, which is why i think someone as eccentic as boris would out do him, or clarke for that matter, he's just not as charismatic.

I agree though, people are just getting tired of political correctness etc, we have a lot of work to do (i volunteer for the party :D ) but i think we have the best chance we've had since 1997 to get back in.

lloyd george was welsh :D well, born in manchester, raised in wales. But, gordon isnt a leader i agree, which is why i think someone as eccentic as boris would out do him, or clarke for that matter, he's just not as charismatic.

I agree though, people are just getting tired of political correctness etc, we have a lot of work to do (i volunteer for the party :D ) but i think we have the best chance we've had since 1997 to get back in.

There isn't all that much I can do for the party at 16, and in response to Brown's not being a leader, beyong Blair, I cannot envisage any truly charsimatic Labour leader coming forth to assume power.

There isn't all that much I can do for the party at 16, and in response to Brown's not being a leader, beyong Blair, I cannot envisage any truly charsimatic Labour leader coming forth to assume power.

Unless they bring back Neil Kinnock *scoffs*

Unless they bring back Neil Kinnock *scoffs*

George Galloway would be a viable option, except he left the party last year :p

I remain unsure as to the interest this will incur, however I thought I'd enquire anyway. With Michael Howard resigning his tenure as party leader in the forseeable future, and numerous eminent conservatives declaring their intent to contest the leadership, who do the forum believe ought to, or will win....

Ken Clarke is the only conservative bidding for the leadership who anyone outside the party can name and thus is the only man with a hope of beating New Labour. This alone makes him the only man who should even consider standing.

Throw into this that he is the only leading Tory who opposed the war in Iraq, which at least 60% (and that's a very conservative estimate) of the British people opposed, alongside his own political record (Gordon Brown has taken the credit for the prosperity sown by Clarke's time at the exchequer) makes him a formidable opponent for Labour.

There isn't all that much I can do for the party at 16, and in response to Brown's not being a leader, beyong Blair, I cannot envisage any truly charsimatic Labour leader coming forth to assume power.

Im 18, i do loads! look up your local young conservative group and drop them an email, either way, youll be 20 next election, and theyll need your help.

http://www.conservativefuture.com/