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Take a look, I believe China is an important culture. look all around you and see the Chinese influence. This is a thousands year civilization with many Great traditions, people are today complaining China and US do not agree but look at it this way I believe when the republic arrives in China then the Earth is two main republics, the China and the USA.

To be a world empire your nation has to cover the globe. I don't see China occupying every single landmass.

that is a good point. I belive in the future then the world has many important cultures and values. CHina is an important values. Along with the other civilized nations such as the USA, India, and, Germany.

I think China can be considered, another definition, "Empire of the Earth" becaues it is a culture that is for everybody. Everyone can enjoy this culture.

China is big. USA is big. Italy is shaped like a boot. On this, we can all agree.

To be a world empire your nation has to cover the globe. I don't see China occupying every single landmass.


You are quite mistaken. History has named many civilizations as Empires when their territory only occupied part of a continent. You are also omitting the existance of a modern economic empire (like America) where landmass is not necessarily the issue, but rather world influence.

Yes, China is a growing soon to be Empire. Not yet though. America has yet to recognize its fall for China to take over. However, if China does not change their ways of oil feeding themselves, they could fall along with the US as well, including many other nations, don't forget.

Yes Italy is shaped like a boot.

That is true. THe nations needs oil, to work. For the industry &c. A problem, in the Empire, in the USA, and, China, the oil is short. However China, and Japan have work with France, and USA to build the nuclear power.

I am already enjoying China culture. Oil is short, green tea has many anti-oxidants. Japan may work with France but is not Earth Empire. China has many important value but not nuclear power from USA. Italy is more enjoyable culture in future.

I think Britain is the empire of the earth. US culture is largely from Britain and most of the world's science, sports and government have their roots firmly in British soil. Swiss may have been the first true(ish) democracy, but the british parliamentary and party system for instance has been adopted by nearly every country on the planet. We invented football aswell and all those american sports are just derivatives of British sports, except perhaps basketball and hockey, which are nonetheless strongly related to rules of football. Though I suppose these sports can trace their roots all the way to the aztecs, they weren't that popular for several hundred years until British football came along. Britain aswell as other protestant countries were the first to support universities and the study of sciences, usually groups like the confucians or the catholics would burn and subjugate people who tried to study the nature of the universe.

I think it's funny how this tiny little island on the edge of the world, far away from the mediteranean or anywhere like that, could have such an effect on human civilisation. Maybe the size/effect ratio of Britain alone makes it the empire of the earth.

Currently though, it's probably the US, though maybe China as they appear to be evolving away from despotism. I predict in the future the Chinese government won't be so stuck up it thinks science and development is a threat to their power and China will exceed the US in gross national output. They seem about equal in resources and agricultural output, then again the US has Canada, so maybe the US will always have a higher gross national output. I don't think the standard of living in China will ever be higher than the US. I guess we'll find out if we live another 50 years or so, assuming we don't run out of oil or something.

You are quite mistaken. History has named many civilizations as Empires when their territory only occupied part of a continent. You are also omitting the existance of a modern economic empire (like America) where landmass is not necessarily the issue, but rather world influence.

Yes, China is a growing soon to be Empire. Not yet though. America has yet to recognize its fall for China to take over. However, if China does not change their ways of oil feeding themselves, they could fall along with the US as well, including many other nations, don't forget.

You misunderstood me. I said world empire, implying that your empire would have to cover the world, and not just part of a continent.

To be a world empire your nation has to cover the globe.
Says who?

You misunderstood me. I said world empire, implying that your empire would have to cover the world, and not just part of a continent.

Even in that case, a world empire does not have to cover the whole world.

I believe when the republic arrives in China then the Earth is two main republics, the China and the USA.

That makes no sense. China is already a republic. And there are tonnes of other republics out there. So, no, the two of them will not be the two main republics. They will just be two republics among many.

Take a look, I believe China is an important culture. look all around you and see the Chinese influence. This is a thousands year civilization with many Great traditions, people are today complaining China and US do not agree but look at it this way I believe when the republic arrives in China then the Earth is two main republics, the China and the USA.

i see the planet uniting more in american camps, anti-american camps and neutral camps.

ultimately, i think china and russia would prefer neutrality; and once most of the rest of the world blows each other up they're going to be the dominant power.

this, i think, is china's major advantage over the americans - they do not seem likely to deplete themselves in minor conflicts. they don't really seem to have any interest. really, they're out american-ing the americans in that they're in the process of buying the world, not conquering it.

i don't think the united states will last as a major world power long enough to see the true apex of where china is heading.

That is true. THe nations needs oil, to work. For the industry &c. A problem, in the Empire, in the USA, and, China, the oil is short. However China, and Japan have work with France, and USA to build the nuclear power.

i think he's talking fusion.

To be a world empire your nation has to cover the globe. I don't see China occupying every single landmass.
But our people do. :D And you're right. Every continent.

I just don't like communists ... dark clouds are gathering for when China is the largest economy on earth in 30 years.

*sigh*

For the TENTH time, China is NOT communist. No country on earth has been communist. If you are talking about socialist, China is not even that.

Cuba = Socialist
DPRK = Socialist

Vietnam = Capitalist
China = Capitalist

China, because I'm Chinese genetically and I want to be the next Emperor of China ...

Thank you, all for replying. This is very educational to me.

That makes no sense. China is already a republic. And there are tonnes of other republics out there. So, no, the two of them will not be the two main republics. They will just be two republics among many.

This is an interesting point. China today is called a Peoples Republic. The President of China, and the concillors, is similar to the Emperor of China, because he controls the power singlely. Today so China is similar to the monarchy. In many republics out there the President of the Republic is in election, which is democracy. Therefore my word is incorrect, and I apologize. Democracy may be the more correct word.

"I believe when the democracy arrives in China then the Earth is two main republics, the China and the USA."

I believe China's President will be in elections, in thirty years. So China and the USA, will be the main Republics. The two richest republics among many, the two main republics in the world. For example the small Republic of Switzerland is not a main Republic.

India also is a main Republic, is getting richer and power.

i see the planet uniting more in american camps, anti-american camps and neutral camps.

ultimately, i think china and russia would prefer neutrality; and once most of the rest of the world blows each other up they're going to be the dominant power.

this, i think, is china's major advantage over the americans - they do not seem likely to deplete themselves in minor conflicts. they don't really seem to have any interest. really, they're out american-ing the americans in that they're in the process of buying the world, not conquering it.

i don't think the united states will last as a major world power long enough to see the true apex of where china is heading.
This is very interesting.

I believe Russia, China, and USA, do not trust each other. I believe for peace the three large nations can work, with each other.

i think he's talking fusion.
Yes, I read the experimental nuclear fusion reactor.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/28/content_3148070.htm

China's strenght is in its longevity. It is the oldest civilization on earth, and every time it has a close call with destruction, it is saved. What's really interesting, however, is that disunity, a factor that pervades Chinese history on and off, not only preserves Chinese culture as well as unity, but it can actually help expand it. The Chinese are now becoming a world power, and interestingly, its isolationist existence is shattered by interactions with the rest of the world. It is fun to look at modern Chinese art and spot the many influences of other cultures, notably American. It's also fun looking at the Chinese adoption of modernistic and retro-futuristic architecture, and to see how they blended it with their time-honored traditions.

The United States is headed towards a cold war at best with the People's Republic (When you people say "china" I assume you mean the PRC not the ROC). Putin is the key to victory, if we have another superpower on our side, we can counter the chinese menace.
"War with the United States is inevitable...the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative...we must make sure that we would win this modern high tech war that the mighty bloc headed by the U.S. Hegemonists may launch to interfere in our affairs"General Chi Hoatian, minister of defense, People's Republic of China 1999

We need to form the Axis of Evil.

The U.S.A.

China

and Germany.

I respectfully think that those who believe that China is a world empire are overly enamored of China, and are not taking everything into account.
Yes, China is a large, important, powerful nation. Its greatest source of power is not its history but its people, its many, many people. Because it is so populous, it wields great economic power. There are also various other benefits from a large population, but that's the important one.

We can all agree that the US is currently dominant in world economics and politics. In culture, no one is completely dominant, but China is NOT near the top. Only the Chinese share their culture, whereas many non-American regions are trying to emulate American culture, if only as a clumsy way to copy American prosperity.

And its not as if the US, Russia, and China are the only influential nations in the world. Japan has tremendous economic influence because of all the companies like Sony and Honda that come from Japan. Most European nations are influential individually for a variety of reasons, including their history. I would like to point out that China has had a long history because most of it was all the same. Until the 50's and Mao Tsedong, China had always been ruled by an emperor, and society was fairly static. Europe, on the other hand, has always been tumultuous. It is home to many ethnicities, many cultures, many religions, and the constant interplay kept the world going. Change happened, progress happened, expansion happened.

China is becoming influential now because it is changing. It is becoming more capitalist: it is becoming more like the US. That doesn't mean China's not a great place, it just doesn't rule the world.

To be a world empire your nation has to cover the globe. I don't see China occupying every single landmass.

The Mongolian Dynasty was the largest empire in human history, and it only occupied one continent.

[QUOTE=Lotus Puppy] It is the oldest civilization on earth, QUOTE]
No, it's not. The Middle East is. Ever heard of Mesopotamia?

China's strenght is in its longevity. It is the oldest civilization on earth... *Snip*

Nope.

Most archaeologists agree that civilization arose in the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia. The oldest of them that we know about are the Sumerians who lived in what is now Iraq.

The oldest contiguous civilization must then be the Egyptians. Their civilization arose almost 1000 years before the Xia dynasty in China.

*sigh*

For the TENTH time, China is NOT communist. No country on earth has been communist. If you are talking about socialist, China is not even that.

Cuba = Socialist
DPRK = Socialist

Vietnam = Capitalist
China = Capitalist


really? are you not just redefining communism? Where the USSR, Poland, Eastern Germany not communist?
Just where do you draw your line between ultra-socialist (France and Sweden are Socialist, you cant say they have the same system as Cuba) and communism?

Please dont say China is capitialist though, just because they are beginning to selectivly adopt capitalist concepts: trying telling the workers on the collective farms.

And the Empire of the Earth is Roman/Greek/Judism. europe, its values and ideals run everywhere, countered only by eastern philosophy (hindu/buddism) and aboriginal tribal believes

really? are you not just redefining communism? Where the USSR, Poland, Eastern Germany not communist?
Just where do you draw your line between ultra-socialist (France and Sweden are Socialist, you cant say they have the same system as Cuba) and communism?


the eastern block was stalinist or even despotic, not communist which should be equivalent with marxist.

i think cuba's the closest thing we've ever had to pure communism and it's not perfect but it is a lot better than stalinism.

china is certainly capitalist, it's just state capitalist as opposed to free market capitalist. this is the direction the ussr eventually headed down but years of despotism made it impossible to develop in the way that china did and is.

the leader of china is not really it's emperor; it doesn't really have a leader as much as it has a chairman. the country is effectively run like an oligarchy. a board of directors, even.


And the Empire of the Earth is Roman/Greek/Judism. europe, its values and ideals run everywhere, countered only by eastern philosophy (hindu/buddism) and aboriginal tribal believes

i agree that greece is the empire of the earth. it's influence is not just felt in europe but also in russia, the middle east and even india, which i would argue is a close second as it's influence is felt throughout the east way stronger than any other and even throughout christian and islamic belief systems.

Nope.

Most archaeologists agree that civilization arose in the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia. The oldest of them that we know about are the Sumerians who lived in what is now Iraq.

The oldest contiguous civilization must then be the Egyptians. Their civilization arose almost 1000 years before the Xia dynasty in China.

yeah, civilization developed in mesopotamia but modern iraqis are not sumerians and their cultures are completely different. the original sumerians were probably related to elamites and dravidians; either way, they are not semites.

sumerian civilization was destroyed by a combination of indo-europeans invading from the north and semites invading from the south. the current culture in iraq is barely 1300 years old. there are still assyrians living there that identify themselves as assyrian and even speak an assyrian language, and most of them are actually christians, but even they are far removed from the original sumerians.

the same thing with egypt - after it was assimilated into greece and rome it was colonized by arabs. there are still egyptians living in egypt but they are a very tiny minority and actually take great offense to being called arabs or to having egyptian arabs spoken of as pure egyptians.

if you're not getting it, an analogy is to europeans and native americans. there aren't many natives left in north america, but they are here. north american society, however, is in no way a continuation of native society. so it is with egyptians and assyrians but not with sumerians who are completely gone.

the chinese, then, really are the oldest standing civilization on the earth.

And the Empire of the Earth is Roman/Greek/Judism. europe, its values and ideals run everywhere, countered only by eastern philosophy (hindu/buddism) and aboriginal tribal believes
I shudder to think that Roman/Greek ideals were just lumped together with Judaism. Judaism, especially in the days when this was considered current events, was a sharp contrast to the Romans and Greeks. Greco-Roman culture and religion were grandiose, warlike, and flamboyant. The jews were humble and ethical, at least by comparison. Similarly with Christianity. Zeus would have laughed his head off at "the meek shall inherit the earth". And blasted someone's head with a lightning bolt.

i agree that greece is the empire of the earth.
No it is not. There is no empire of the earth. There is only a great variety of cultures, and their intermingling. The one that is felt the most distinctly outside of its own borders is the United States, but it is only the front runner. Ancient Greece/Ancient Rome, Ancient Mesopotamia, China, Europe, they all influence each other and the rest of the world, but no one is master, no one is "the empire of the earth". Today's culture is too global for such distinctions.

To be fair, the Roman empire after Constantine was Christian (with the odd lapse). Can't have ben that incompatible. And the point of saying it's Greek/Roman/Judaic is that they are different, modern culture's a mix. If they were all the same thing he'd have just said one of them, wouldn't he?

I think you are entirely right about the intermingling point, though. If we really were just a mix of ancient Greece, Rome and Judaism we'd have a lot more paedophilia, gladiatorial combat and burnt offerings, wouldn't we? We'd also have missed out on the concept of zero, and Windows would now be even more bug-prone as a result of running on Roman numerals.

No it is not. There is no empire of the earth. There is only a great variety of cultures, and their intermingling. The one that is felt the most distinctly outside of its own borders is the United States, but it is only the front runner. Ancient Greece/Ancient Rome, Ancient Mesopotamia, China, Europe, they all influence each other and the rest of the world, but no one is master, no one is "the empire of the earth". Today's culture is too global for such distinctions.

well.....yeah. but if i had to pick one culture that's been the most influential from america to india, i'd have to pick greece.

I shudder to think that Roman/Greek ideals were just lumped together with Judaism. Judaism, especially in the days when this was considered current events, was a sharp contrast to the Romans and Greeks. Greco-Roman culture and religion were grandiose, warlike, and flamboyant. The jews were humble and ethical, at least by comparison. Similarly with Christianity. Zeus would have laughed his head off at "the meek shall inherit the earth". And blasted someone's head with a lightning bolt.

zeus, maybe, but not plato or pythagoras. greek philosophy was hugely influential on early christianity; christianity may even be seen as a kind of synthesis between judaism and platonism. pythagoras even walked on the water , was the son of apollo, was born of a virgin, etc...

I'd say the Jewish culture has been the most influential, as it is the foundation for the three large monotheistic religions of the world.

Back on topic, its rather inevitable that China will take its place alongside the USA as a global power. I have nothing wrong with this whatsoever - I love Chinese history, culture, etc. I think it's safe to say that within a few decades the world will be totally, completely dominated dominated in some fashion or another by America and China. Everyone else, you're out of luck, though Japan could run a distant third and India will surely rise to a world power of its own. Or perhaps if the EU centralized and went capitalist. Unless of course you are Canada, in which case we can annex you once and for all :cool:

the chinese, then, really are the oldest standing civilization on the earth.

Indian civilization is also up there with the Chinese. Indus valley may not be with India, but the civilisation still survives and is infact thriving in India, whereas native Chinese way of life is being encroached by Christianity increasingly.