The horrible death and destruction at New Orleans wouldn't have happened if...
Serapindal
03-09-2005, 01:02
if the people who left weren't mostly total assholes.
This is a perfect example of Moral Decay in America.
You know they're is a huge-ass hurricane coming.
You know that you've got a car, and some poor people don't, and if they don't get out, they probably aren't going to survive.
Things would have turned out a lot better, if people just tried to pick up as many people as they could in their cars, before they left.
If everyone just stuffed as many people as they could have in their cars, and then left New Orleans, no one would have been left behind. If you've got two cars, have you and a friend/spouse drive seperately, and try to put as many people in as possible.
I mean, if most people weren't just selfish pricks today, I doubt this would have all happened.
Jah Bootie
03-09-2005, 01:05
Hey, why didn't you go down there and grab a carload of them? What an asshole.
Serapindal
03-09-2005, 01:06
Hey, why didn't you go down there and grab a carload of them? What an asshole.
I'm on the other side of the country. By the time I got there, the Hurricane would be over.
How easy would have it been, to while going out of New Orleans, invite another family into your car, and leave. It would be a small inconvenience, but it would save people.
Jah Bootie
03-09-2005, 01:09
Well, I guess it's like this.
My car holds four people. Five maybe. If I had a wife and two kids I could take MAYBE one more person. So I'm running for my life and stuffing everything that I want to save into my trunk, and now, according to you, I need to go looking for one stranger who wants to accompany us alone?
It's very easy to talk about what a bunch of strangers should have done, it's a lot harder to do it.
Sabbatis
03-09-2005, 01:13
The horrible death and destruction at New Orleans wouldn't have happened if...
There hadn't been a CAT-5 hurricane that ravaged three states and a city that was built in a dangerous area. Basically.
Caffineism
03-09-2005, 01:18
...Wouln't have happened if all those people weren't stupid enough to live in an area that has a high-risk for hurricanes. Seriously, the nice climate down there really isn't worth it sometimes. Funny how most natural disasters affect highly populated areas and not places like Montana (my home state).
Robbopolis
03-09-2005, 01:23
...Wouln't have happened if all those people weren't stupid enough to live in an area that has a high-risk for hurricanes. Seriously, the nice climate down there really isn't worth it sometimes. Funny how most natural disasters affect highly populated areas and not places like Montana (my home state).
More likely that the natural disasters that do happen in those areas don't make the news because they don't cause much distruction. For example, I live in Alaska. We have 3 times as many earthquakes as California. The last large one that we had was a 7.9. It caused one injury statewide.
Repunzle
03-09-2005, 01:25
The horrible death and destruction at New Orleans wouldn't have happened if...
There hadn't been a CAT-5 hurricane that ravaged three states and a city that was built in a dangerous area. Basically.
and those thoughtless people in new orleans were so foolish to think that the levies that were in place to protect the city from flooding would actually work! how foolish of them
Sabbatis
03-09-2005, 01:33
and those thoughtless people in new orleans were so foolish to think that the levies that were in place to protect the city from flooding would actually work! how foolish of them
Yes, it was well known that they were designed to withstand only CAT-3 forces. Plans were underway to upgrade, but too late. They gambled for years that the risk of a dead-center hit wouldn't happen. This time they lost the bet.
I do so love reading all these words of wisdom, there were over 25,000 people left in the storm so that hitching a ride idea would never work. This is not the victims fault nor the evacuees. This is a natural catastrophe at work here and blaming accomplishes nothing...its better to get behind a relief effort by donating whateve you can and at least accomplish some good. Those folks had no means of getting out they were entirely reliant on the rapid transit systems to get around town. YOu have no idea what it is like to be the working poor. Im so tired of people who have ties to this disaster whatsoever complaining.. this hurricane was horrible and we just got the backlash of the storm cat. 1 force hit us and it temporarily disabled us and now we cant buy any gas anywhere and in a few days there WONT be any food on our shelves (Walmart is running out of food) the trucks are NOT coming in and we dont know when..so I am SCARED to death of what is going to happen to us. Can you buy gas without waiting in line for an hour,,, is your child in school, do you have a roof over your head? Quit your bitchin!
Yes, it was well known that they were designed to withstand only CAT-3 forces. Plans were underway to upgrade, but too late. They gambled for years that the risk of a dead-center hit wouldn't happen. This time they lost the bet.
Blame the lack of an upgrade on the government , they disapproved a loan for the army of engineers to fix the levees.
[NS]Antre_Travarious
03-09-2005, 01:48
if the people who left weren't mostly total assholes.
This is a perfect example of Moral Decay in America.
You know they're is a huge-ass hurricane coming.
You know that you've got a car, and some poor people don't, and if they don't get out, they probably aren't going to survive.
Things would have turned out a lot better, if people just tried to pick up as many people as they could in their cars, before they left.
If everyone just stuffed as many people as they could have in their cars, and then left New Orleans, no one would have been left behind. If you've got two cars, have you and a friend/spouse drive seperately, and try to put as many people in as possible.
I mean, if most people weren't just selfish pricks today, I doubt this would have all happened.Because, of course, this would not happen in any other nation. :rolleyes:
Flocarga and Delmarva
03-09-2005, 01:51
The entire Miss. delta is not the best place in the world to be putting a city. With it being below sea level, or barely above it, it's more than vulnerable for something like this.
This was a Category 4 storm that just missed New Orleans to the east. Places all around the country prepare for worst case scenarios. On the west coast, they have stronger standards in case of earthquake. In Florida, there's stronger standards for hurricanes.
In southern New England, there were a couple of hurricanes turned tropical storms that struck back in 1955. A large chunk of Connecticut was flooded over. Cities and towns like Putnam, Waterbury, Naugatuck, Farmington, and Danbury were wrecked severely. Now, there's several dams that were put up directly because of that. Large drainage pools which lie empty now, in case of that "500 year flood". Other preventive measures have been implemented, so we don't have such severity as what we saw in 55.
In the Midwestern states, they flooded in 1993. Now there's a lot more dams along the Mississippi River, control the river even more so it doesn't spill it's banks.
New Orleans shoulda knew better since it's in a vulnerable spot. Looks like it took something this severe to make them think of putting in measures to prevent this. Hindsight is 20-20 though.
Ravenshrike
03-09-2005, 01:58
and those thoughtless people in new orleans were so foolish to think that the levies that were in place to protect the city from flooding would actually work! how foolish of them
Both Finagle's and Murphy's law would tell you that this was bound to happen. They are, respectively: The perversity of the universe tends toward the maximum, aaand, If it can go wrong, it will.
ARF-COM and IBTL
03-09-2005, 02:09
if the people who left weren't mostly total assholes.
This is a perfect example of Moral Decay in America.
You know they're is a huge-ass hurricane coming.
You know that you've got a car, and some poor people don't, and if they don't get out, they probably aren't going to survive.
Things would have turned out a lot better, if people just tried to pick up as many people as they could in their cars, before they left.
If everyone just stuffed as many people as they could have in their cars, and then left New Orleans, no one would have been left behind. If you've got two cars, have you and a friend/spouse drive seperately, and try to put as many people in as possible.
I mean, if most people weren't just selfish pricks today, I doubt this would have all happened.
You are right to a degree, but WHO would want to have some of NO's FINEST stuffed in them in the car? I wouldn't. I'd get carjacked.
However, if I was not going to college this semester I'd go down to NO and do some rescue work and work on tree-trimming and stuff, make some money, and pay off school for the rest of the time I'm there.
My roommate back in Pensacola made 3k$ a day doing tree removal work....
Jah Bootie
03-09-2005, 02:14
You are right to a degree, but WHO would want to have some of NO's FINEST stuffed in them in the car? I wouldn't. I'd get carjacked.
Yeah, I was going to mention this. I certainly wouldn't be inviting any strangers into my car. If I could help out some friends and neighbors I would, but I certainly wouldn't feel guilty about not grabbing the first four people I could find to hop in.
Casimir Poseiden
03-09-2005, 02:16
wouldnt have happened IF the Bush admin didnt cut the Clinton era program to upgrade the Levees in New Orleans and instead spend the money in the Iraqi Quagmire